Daily Slop: Redskins Haven't Had a Lead Since Oct. 2nd; Andre Carter Breaks Pats Record
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 14, 2011 8:30 AM EST
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New QB (again), same old result for Redskins in loss to Dolphins
The Redskins (3-6) haven't held a lead since Oct. 2, when they beat St. Louis. Their 5-game losing streak is the longest of Shanahan's career.
BostonHerald.com - Patriots DE Andre Carter breaks a franchise sacks record:
The former Redskins star had 4.5 sacks, his career-high.
Fred Smoot: "Redskins Need SMO" (Video)
Redskins backups play as well as the starters...and that's not good.
Redskins-Dolphins Winners & Losers | Mr. Irrelevant
Matt Terl provides a solid recap.
Ten observations: Dolphins 20, Redskins 9 | John Keim
Redskins-Dolphins report card | John Keim | NFL | Washington Examiner
Brandon Marshall caught three passes on third downs for 67 and three first downs. He was not the difference in the game, but on those drives the Dolphins scored 10 points.
Rick Snider: Time for Redskins to make a bigger change? | Rick Snider
Coach Mike Shanahan can't double-talk his way past the simple truth: The Redskins stink.
Miami Dolphins defeat Redskins, win first home game in nearly a year - MiamiHerald.com
The Dolphins defense was stellar as Miami won its second consecutive game and its first before the home fans in nearly a year.
Mike Shanahan’s failures with Redskins epitomized in trust of John Beck, Rex Grossman - The Washington Post
At this point, Shanahan has shown no signs of being able to return the Redskins to .500, let alone elite status. He has done little to justify the millions Snyder is paying him. He’s simply a guy still chasing Zorn. And that’s no lie.
Picture of Sean Taylor's Half Brother - WaPost
Gabriel Taylor, half brother of slain Redskins player Sean Taylor, was part of the pregame ceremonies. He and his teammates greeted the Dolphins players.
3 Questions The Redskins Need To Answer | Fanspeak Washington Redskins Blog
Why is Ryan Torain getting twice as many carries as Roy Helu?
As for the O-line, why wasn’t Willie Smith active today (and why do we typically go with only 7 active linemen)?
Why is Brandon Banks still returning kicks and punts?
Redskins Vs. Dolphins: No Amount Of Tinkering Can Help This Offense - SB Nation DC
Mike Shanahan keeps trying to tinker to find a spark for the Redskins' horrendous offense, but it's all pointless. Nothing is fixing this team this season.
Week 10: Redskins at Dolphins - The Washington Post
Another great Shanny pissed off picture.
Perry Riley records 7 solo tackles in first NFL start - The Insider - The Washington Post
"He’s doing a good job on special teams and based on play during the week, we throught we’d give him a chance to show what he could do. For the most part, I thought he stepped up and did a pretty good job." - Shanahan
Gano: Wind factored into both missed field goals - The Insider
"Big time. That wind was difficult all day going that way. I struck them well both times. Me and their other kicker were talking, and he said anything past 40 would be difficult. So those were 49 and 50, which is something I’m normally definitely capable of making."
Hankerson’s performance a bright spot in Redskins’ loss to Dolphins - The Insider
He had eight passes for 106 yards. He left on crutches but said it's sore and he hopes to play next week.
Brian Orakpo fumes over Redskins’ latest loss - The Insider
"I’m just frustrated, man. Pissed off. Tired of losing," said Orakpo, who recorded two tackles in Washington’s 20-9 defeat. "I don’t know, man. It’s just frustrating. You’re trying to hold your head up, but it’s just frustrating and we just can’t get it together. It’s like every team we’re going to play, they already know they’re going to win because of the way we’re playing. It’s just ridiculous, man. We’ve got to figure out a way to turn this [stuff] around."
The Redskins Blog | Tanya Snyder Accepts ACS Award For NFL
Redskins-Dolphins best and worst - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post
Worst Stat, Part I: In nine first quarters this season, the Redskins have a total of 16 points. Worst Stat, Part II: As Dan Daly pointed out, the Redskins have now gone five straight games without scoring a first-half touchdown. Worst Stat, Part III: As Ben Maller noted, the Redskins now have at least one turnover in 23 straight games, the longest active streak in the NFL.
Issues Run Deeper Than Quarterbacks in Redskins' Losing Streak | NBC Washington
"Both sides need to be better," said Brian Orakpo. "[The defense is] not pointing fingers, we’re not going to sit here and blame anybody because we play a part in it as well.
Not Knowing Starting QB
Apparently,Shanahan didn't even tell his players who was gonna be the starting QB until today! Jabar Gaffney was asked when he was last on a team that didn't know who the starting QB was and he said, "Not since college."
Rick Snider: Sam Huff: 'My life hasn't been boring' | Rick Snider | NFL | Washington Examiner
Sam Huff gets a second chance to tell his story, and it's still a good tale.
David Elfin On Sports: Shanahan Was Supposed To Turn The Redskins Around " CBS Washington
He started 4-3 in his 2010 debut but lost seven of his final nine games. This year is looking like it’s going to spiral down even worse.
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Video.
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Some great pics in here.
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Andre Carter
yet another good player traded away for this mediocre 3-4 defense.
Kyle’s offense couldn’t manage a single TD, brilliant.
I think my 8-8 prediction was much too optimistic given the way they are currently playing.
My 6-10 prediction was much too optimistic.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 14, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
1) Andre Carter wasn’t traded
2) Explain to me how this defense is mediocre in regards to the 3-4? They actually do a good job considering they are on the field 80% of the time. Most, if not all of the problems with this D surround the secondary (BARNES!), which has nothing to do with the scheme.
3) I don’t think Vince Lombardi would score a TD with this personnel.
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And even a weak link like Barnes in our defense
still manages to pick off a pass, return it to the 5 yard line, and our offense leaves us with a field goal. Yup this is all on that crazy decision to switch to the 3-4.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 14, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Defense is the ONLY thing keeping us in games.
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You can’t reason with people. Some have decided the 3-4 sucks, Shanahan sucks, Kyle sucks and nothing will persuade them otherwise short of a perfect season. The offensive roster is terrible, we have no D-linemen who commands double teams and we have a weak secondary situation with OJ constantly being hurt. With all that said our “mediocre” defense is the 8th best in the only category that matters: allowing points. Shanahan needs another offseason at least to start showing improvements. Any talk about ditching him after this season is moronic.
When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.
by Jeff Bernard on Nov 14, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I think he meant sacrificed when he said traded
the real question for Shanny is why didn’t you trade Carter? He was coming off a double digit sack year and wasn’t going to fit the new system, it was an uncapped year so you could take the ‘cap hit’. Not dealing him was a horrible non-move by Shanahan (same with not trading Carlos)
i agree with the rest of your points though.
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by Steve Shoup on Nov 14, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
bad priorities
I’d forgotten that Carter was just let go – selective memory.
The truth is that our 4-3 defense was adequate – not great but not horrible either, and our offense was horrible. After spending many drafts picks on defensive players so we could switch to the 3-4 we have a slightly better but still mediocre defense. Was that really a wise way to spend draft picks? I don’t think so.
I have nothing against the 3-4 defense and now that we have players who fit more into a 3-4 scheme than a 4-3 scheme I don’t wan to switch back. But given how horrible our entire offense was why try and “not rebuild” both sides of the ball at the same time?
Neither scheme is better than the other – it’s a matter of getting the right players and coaching them.
See, this is an argument against Shanny I can understand
it is frustrating that so much effort was put into changing the defense when the offense was far worse, but I guess he just prefers the 3-4 and decided to do it, it seems like he wants to give the keys to a new QB when the team has the type of defense he wants, and some young weapons on offense for him to grow with.
If the oline and QB are not addressed in this draft though, I will be really disappointed.
I still don't understand why people assume
that because we had a bland, non-aggressive, version of the 4-3 with Blatche we couldn’t have tweaked the scheme, or hell even blitzed more, to have made it work.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
he did have a NTC but he also said before last season that if he thought it was a good fit he'd waive it
I’m sure you could have found some playoff contending team who’d want him, that he’d want to go to.
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Another fan who doesn't remember how mediocre our 4-3 defense actually was
It was yards stingey but we never pressured QB’s with it and never forced turnovers.
Our defense is just fine. In fact it’s managing to keep a lot of these games close even when our offense literally can’t score a point.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 14, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you! people need to stop bitching about the 3-4 switch.
Most people realize we’re rebuilding and I actually like the “cold shower” approach to the 3-4. I think it will save us time in the long run.
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I agree
what people don’t realize is that there’s no painless way to make that switch. There’s always going to be a period when you have personnel who aren’t quite suited to it. Compared to last year we’re far better with it even if we still have problems in the secondary.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 14, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
In retrospect, why didn’t we trade Carter for something why we could? It was known he was failing and would never fit in early.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 14, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
I mean what would we have got at the time?
Maybe it was a bad football move to let him walk, but I also think it was the right thing to do for AC given his tenure and service to the Skins. Dude is a class act and he deserved to be set free rather than rotting here, waiting for a trade. Classy move by both parties IMO.
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He did rot here last year and both parties were unhappy. AC is a class act and roughed threw it, but why delay the inevitable? It’s a business not a 5th grade b-day party.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 14, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
yeah i def. think they could have gotten something for him
it wasn’t going to be a 1st or 2nd rounder, but maybe a 3rd or a 4th
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by Steve Shoup on Nov 14, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Really? I don't think it would be that high, but who knows.
We had pretty much no leverage in trade talks.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
true
but sacks are a premium in this league, i mean guys like Aaron Kampman and Vanden Bosch were signed to deals that paid them $6.5 million a year and neither one had nearly as Carter the year before. And after them the FA market was bare.
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by Steve Shoup on Nov 14, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
we could hve gotten something for him if they traded him a year earlier
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
you don't seem to remember
that the 4-3 scheme was mediocre because Blache had the CBs lining up 10 yards from the line of scrimmage and he never blitzed.
Regardless it’s too late to switch back now. The point is that we’ve spent a lot of picks grabbing players to use the 3-4 scheme when those picks could have been used to ge more offensive players…like a QB who’s worth a hoot.
Here, fixed it for you
Kyle’s offenseRex couldn’t manage a single TD, again with chances inside the Red Zonebrilliantpathetic.
Crying Lion
At least we got to the Red Zone, that was nice for a change. haha
I’m actually excited to see Tashard Choice play this week. He should be healthy. He’s have 3 weeks in the offense. He’s playing his former team. And Sunday is his birthday!
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Andre Carter...good for him
The handling of Andre Carter was one shanny mistake that people don’t harp on. San Fran tried to convert him to an OLB and it was a disaster. When we made the decision to convert to the 3-4 we should traded Carter. Could have at least gotten a 4-5 rd pick for him…he was coming off an 11 sack season.
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
Carter was a solid defensive end, he just had no place on this team or any team running a 3-4
When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.
by Jeff Bernard on Nov 14, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
The switch to the 3-4 cost us Carter and Haynesworth, at least
But the 3-4 isn’t bad on its own.
Yea I'm sure AH would of been a Pro Bowler if he was in a 4-3 scheme
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
he probably would have been (and yes i'm serious)
dude is crazy, but if you motivate him he tosses offensive players (including linemen) around like rag dolls.
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11 Teams with 3 wins or Less. Indy wraps up Andrew Luck. Where are Jones and Barkley going?
Whose going to wrap up Landry Jones next?
Miami and St. Louis are on a roll.
Kansas City looks like the next team to enter the Quarterback sweepstakes for the #2 pick for Jones. They are in FULL TANK MODE.
That only leaves one team left for Barkley.
Were you trying to right a teaser for a radio commercial?
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I'm still OK with Shannahan.
We looked more than respectable at the beginning of the season, before the injuries hit. Then we’ve been devasted almost everywhere on the Offense.
Now, we need a QB; Beck or Grossman would be fine as a backup, if the Offense was healthy (it’s not), but as a starter, no. We’ll get that QB (or at least try to get him) in the offseason.
I see this team being DRAMATICALLY better appearing next year (if nothing else, simply because we can’t be much less healthy in key positions, and the young rookies like Helu and Hankerson will know what they are doing).
I just wish folks would get off the “Fire Shannahan!” BS. There were MAJOR problems with this team when Shanny took it over… we’re slowly working our way out of them, but it wasn’t going to be a 2 year deal (and it might not be a 3… we were BAD).
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
by BillWard on Nov 14, 2011 9:13 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Bill - read the Rick Snider and Jason Reid columns, or many posts on HH (like Steveo26's)
all dead on. If things don’t improve immediately, or the Skins finish 4-12 or worse, Snyder just has to consider firing Shanahan. Not because of the many mistakes, or to punish him, but because it is becoming obvious that things are not getting better, that Shanahan has just “lost it”. The game has passed him by, or he’s let his ego get the best of him, or something. But it looks as if he is never going to make this team a winner. This may not be 100% yet, but it’s getting close. Snider noted that Mike could survive another year because of Snyder’s history of firing coaches. But If Cowher is available, it might not save him.
Rick Snider and Jason Reid have a vested interest in denigrating what's happening..
They write columns that need a subject. Coaching controversies are an easy subject. Therefore, if they build a controversy where there doesn’t need to be one, they have an easy job.
As for the folks posting on HH, some of them are well thought out, but many show too little patience, and don’t seem to grasp that our O has lost the top player at every skill position except QB, has lost (at various times) 60% of the starting OLine, and had little depth (due to the extreme sparsity of talent Shannahan inherited) to begin with. We had a FEW key skill players with talent (CC, FD, ‘Tana) and now we have ONE of those playing. Shanny is restocking the shelves (I honestly think Hankerson will go down in team history as the next Art Monk). But it takes more than ONE offseason. He didn’t know just how bad the team was until after the first draft, and he screwed up by trading for McNabb. Fair enough. But EVERY team makes mistakes. Give Shanny his one, chalk up this season for what it is (massive injuries on a rebuilding team that actually showed a lot of progress before the injury bug hit), and move on to the next offseason. By next year, Shanny will have his choice of QB, and will have had an additional draft and FA period to get the guys he wants. If we get hit by injuries NEXT year like we did this year, and are awful again, then it’s time to talk about giving him the Queen of Hearts treatment (“Off with his head!”). Until then, folks just need to chill a bit. We were bad, REALLY bad, and I honestly think I see light at the end of the tunnel on this rebuild. We’re becoming a very good Defensive team, have a few more young potential stars on Offense who just need to learn the ropes, and our Special Teams now is no longer a euphimism for a team of guys that needs helmets even when NOT playing football. Looks like progress to me. It’s just not showing up in every game yet. Give it another season.
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
by BillWard on Nov 14, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
i just rec'd this after the title
exactly what i was thinking, There job is to stir the pot.
You have patience
I don’t think that the talent on Zorn’s team was as bad as you say. The problem was more incompetent coaching. Plus, the 4-12 team lost a lot of close games. They had a good defense and pretty good special teams, and even the offense had a lot of talent – the TEs, Moss, Portis, Campbell and Antwaan-El, etc – arguably more than the current team, even before the injuries. In fact, I’d suggest (but couldn’t prove) that Zorn’s team had more talent than the current one, even before the injuries (remember the optimism before those seasons?) Also remember that those teams were substantially built by Joe Gibbs, and followed playoff caliber teams. The hesitation is because the current regime has done some good things with the defense (Blache’s was a top 10 defense).
To judge Shanahan’s personnel policy and his alleged rebuilding, and thus, his performance, it is important to know where he started. If you think that he started with horrible teams, yeah, you will think he’s making progress. But if the talent has actually regressed, you may look at it a little differently. And if the Skins finish 4-12 or worse, there’s more doubt, even with injuries. There has been some good “rebuilding” – Kerrigan looks awesome, and guys like Atogwe, Jenkins, Cofield look good.
You in some way have to be on the payroll of the Redskins or Johnny Rockets
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You lost all credibility when you called ARE one of the talents on those teams
Then you followed that up with Blache. Next you’ll tell us that Zorn was an offensive mastermind.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 15, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Rick Snider and Jason Reid have a vested interest in denigrating what's happening..
They write columns that need a subject. Coaching controversies are an easy subject. Therefore, if they build a controversy where there doesn’t need to be one, they have an easy job.
As for the folks posting on HH, some of them are well thought out, but many show too little patience, and don’t seem to grasp that our O has lost the top player at every skill position except QB, has lost (at various times) 60% of the starting OLine, and had little depth (due to the extreme sparsity of talent Shannahan inherited) to begin with. We had a FEW key skill players with talent (CC, FD, ‘Tana) and now we have ONE of those playing. Shanny is restocking the shelves (I honestly think Hankerson will go down in team history as the next Art Monk). But it takes more than ONE offseason. He didn’t know just how bad the team was until after the first draft, and he screwed up by trading for McNabb. Fair enough. But EVERY team makes mistakes. Give Shanny his one, chalk up this season for what it is (massive injuries on a rebuilding team that actually showed a lot of progress before the injury bug hit), and move on to the next offseason. By next year, Shanny will have his choice of QB, and will have had an additional draft and FA period to get the guys he wants. If we get hit by injuries NEXT year like we did this year, and are awful again, then it’s time to talk about giving him the Queen of Hearts treatment (“Off with his head!”). Until then, folks just need to chill a bit. We were bad, REALLY bad, and I honestly think I see light at the end of the tunnel on this rebuild. We’re becoming a very good Defensive team, have a few more young potential stars on Offense who just need to learn the ropes, and our Special Teams now is no longer a euphimism for a team of guys that needs helmets even when NOT playing football. Looks like progress to me. It’s just not showing up in every game yet. Give it another season.
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
by BillWard on Nov 14, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Stirring the pot?
Of course, they have a lot of space to fill. But they didn’t create a coaching controversy, and it is nowhere near a unanimous opinion – guys like Boswell dismiss the idea of Shanahan getting fired. I have the idea – with no proof – that Reid is a little harsh on Shananan because the latter mislead him on Beck being the QB at the start of the season.
haha thanks for the shout out!
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so you liked the McNabb trade?
And you like his selection of QBs?
I don’t have Shanahan nor do I think we can let him go – no coach will ever come to this team if he gets fired now.
But Shanahan needs to face some realities – like Beck & Grossman aren’t starting QB material. And he needs to realistically evaluate his sons performance.
And where is the Shanahan running game?
Heck no, I don't like the McNabb trade.
And we got RAPED by Oakland over Campbell.
Does it tell you what my feelings are that the most recent jersey I’’ve bought is a Jason Campbell #17?
Shannahan TOTALLY botched the deal with McNabb/Campbell. He screwed up. But EVERY GM screws up, and every coach does. The question you need to ask is do you think he can get it right next time? Last April, he was about to take Jake Locker as his QB of the future at #10…. but the Titans pounced. He didn’t want Ponder and knew that the QB he wanted next would be their in the second round. So he dropped back, and picked up a second round pick for dropping to the next guy he really DID want.
And then he got jumped in the second round, too, with both Dalton and Kapernik gone before we got our pick.
Not going to happen when we’re picking in the top 5 this year (I think we’re at 6 right now, and still falling). We’ll get one of Luck/Barkley/Jones if that’s who Shanny wants. Can he live with any one of those three? Or with one of the other guys (Foles, RG3, whoever)? One way or the other, we’re getting one of those guys.
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
Hell no
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 15, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
They have to start a "president"
Haha, god I love Smoot
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Those of us who had realistic expectations for this team entering the season
are the ones who are not at all surprised by this. It’s the kool-aid drinkers, and delusional day-dreamers who thoughts playoffs, that are the one’s calling for Shanny’s head.
Were were no better than a 6-10 team entering the season(due to our offense), and we are no better now either.
Crying Lion
Yea I was at 7-9. Like I've been saying since Day 1, I want to see youthful improvement.
And I think we are seeing that in a lot of areas.
- Hankerson
- Helu
- How awesome was Petty Riley yesterday!
- Niles Paul
- Pile Movin’ Mo Hurt
- Kerrigan
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And that's precisely why I'm not that frustrated
I’d love to watch us win every week but starting to get solid contributions from young players like that is what happens when a team is being rebuilt correctly. That’s what this season was supposed to be about.
I’m still not sure what the nay-sayers were expecting Shanahan to say. “We have no quarterback or depth so this year will be a wash.”
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 14, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Hurt?
Helu is OK, but no Clinton Portis.
Was he advertised to be CP?
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
It is a statement that happens to be true
The fact that no one asked whether he was or not is irrelevant. You are just ornery this morning
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 14, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
So he's not a good, young player?
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Nah he sucks
we should see how many draft picks we can trade for Matt Forte or someone like that.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 14, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Of coarse he is-you are really trying to be argumentative or some reason
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 14, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I just don't think it's fair to discount Helu just b/c someone expected him to be CP in Year 1 in a short offseason
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
not to mention part of the reason he's not CP is the fact that Shanny sweats Ryan Torain
Since the bye week: Torain 32 carries for 53 yards, Helu (not counting the 21 yard run against the prevent at the end of the game yesterday: 18 carries for 66 yards.
I think it is time Shanny lets Helu be the feature back instead of swapping each week. He won’t get many (or maybe any) 100 yard games behind this line, but he’ll give them a chance for more big plays and help out towards the future.
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I like Helu
but he is definitely a finesse runner. He goes down at first contact. There are no broken tackles, no pushing the pile. If the blocking isn’t perfect, he’s not going to make something out of nothing.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
that is all he does?
Sure he’s not perfect, but he is good at fighting for extra yardage and getting forward progress. I’m not saying he’s Adrian Peterson, but he’s going to hit the hole quicker and squeeze out an extra yard or two, and if the defense has a broken play he can go 20-40 yards.
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Would you rather he compare him to Maurice Clarrett?
What else is he going to say?
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
He could have just not compared him to anyone
and said he fits our system. He said Royster reminded him of Terrell Davis.
I compared my boots to shoes once....because they both go on my feet
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
My point was that this is a league of comparing
Every guy with a moderate to high profile coming out is compared to someone who currently plays in the NFL or has played in the NFL. A RB picked in the fourth round that Shanny traded for is going to be compared to some one. The media demands it. If Shanny said he doesn’t compare to anyone on of two things would happen. Either people would scream that he is so good no one compares to him to or that he is so bad that there is no one worth comparing him to. Either way you lose.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
or you could say, i like the way he runs. He runs like most people run, trying to go fast
Terelle davis was fast, but so is everyone in the NFL.
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
You do realize though that the media demands comparison right?
Every draft expert compares the players to some one. If Shanny would have said I like the way he runs people would ask why. Shanny says he runs good. What do you mean good? Everyone wants someone to compare players to.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
My original prediction was 6-10
After the 3-1 start I bumped it to 8-8. After watching our QBs play, watching the injuries, and watching Stabby return kicks I dropped it down to 4-12.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
I though 7-9.
But yeah, my expectations for this season were relatively low.
And we’ve surpassed those, actually, when I look at progress. Just not Wins and Losses.
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I agree 100%
I love the progress
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Please pray for Peyton Mannings health
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
OK...this is great.
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LOL
The reporter was trying so hard not to crack up at this guy the whole time. He had that look in his eye about 3 different times like he was about to stop the interview, go outside and walk in front of a bus. This does make watching the ‘Skins lose a little bit better. But Philly fans don’t realize how good they’ve had it for the last 15 years or so under Reid. They’ve had to go through a season like this once or twice a decade. Try doing it for 2 decades straight…
man i wish kelli johnson was that hot
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
Iggles losing yesterday to Arizona made my day.
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by ThuGodfather on Nov 14, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Patience and the big-picture mentality is key
to understanding where this team is and why we should NOT be calling for the Shanny’s to be fired. This team was full of bloated, overpaid vets and never really went through any kind of legitimate rebuild. It has always been patchwork since Snyder took over. When Shanny came in he had to essentially flush this team completely and start over. This does not happen overnight, nor in 1-2 seasons. I liked what I saw from the young guys yesterday and despite the 5 losses in a row, I still expect good things long term. But if Shanny is canned, we are back to square one and guranteed another 2-3 miserable seasons.
Dfett - "bloated, overpaid vets" - just not true
You’ve listened to the sportswriters – the very guys who like to stir the pot, criticize, generate controversy. They’ve been peddling this “high priced free agent” drivel for years. Just for fun, try naming a few like that on Zorn’s team.
Didn't the Skins release Carter?
If so they wouldn’t be able to get a compensatory selection for him. But Rogers has 4 picks and his production might actually net another late draft pick for our Skins.
Remember the year Walt Harris had when he went to SF? He had 7 or 8 INT.
by el freako on Nov 14, 2011 10:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Some good things to take away from the game
Riley all over making plays.
Hank bustin out, and regardless of whom it was against he was running great routes. First time i’ve seen crisp decisive routes from him.
Helu showed some nice moves once again AND he picked up the blitz on some great blocks. Eventually they are just going to have to put the ball in his hands regularly.
Kerrigan, another great game buddy.
Moved the ball between the 20’s then stalled out or threw picks. Ah well, we suck what can ya do? I see hope for the future in the youngins.
Oh and don’t fire shanahn you fkn morons.
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
Once they get a QB and an Oline (plus tons of reliable depth)
This team is going to click and come out of nowhere. 2012 and 2013 should be really good years for us. If the draft decisions turn out anything like they have for last year’s draft where they hit on nearly every pick, we should be a very capable team.
by mbedner on Nov 14, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
+1; this is what I’m trying to say, Shanny had a very good draft, and a decent off season FA acquisition. I’m looking forrward to seeing Jenkins and the next group of Rookies starting next season… we could be VERY good, VERY quickly, if this is the year we go and fix the Offense (QB and Line).
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Wow
Once agin the Shanahans are completely let off the hook by this site. Im really starting to think that something is up. We had a better record with Zorn (not saying that he should still be here) so if this terrible roster was inherited why would they make changes for the worse ? And Mike or Kyle or “Mile” do NOT coach the defense (which would be better if they would not blitz so much) As a matter of fact has anyone even seen Mike on the sidelines ? He could not do any LESS
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comment is abusive
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
Really? What do you want him to do?
As a matter of fact has anyone even seen Mike on the sidelines ? He could not do any LESS
That’s like getting on Phil Jackson and saying he’s a bad coach b/c he sits the whole game and doesn’t yell.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
so that is what it is
At least Phil would draw up a play talk to the players something.. Mke does nothing, he has that rolled up paper that he never looks at. Never with his son when he is talking to the quaterbacks that he put his reputation on. And putting him and Phil Jackson in the same sentance ?? Really .
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So you're upset with him letting the coordinators do their jobs? You watch him the whole game?
Shanny is always working the referees. To say he doesn’t care isn’t fair b/c you’re not there. They have these things call headsets now where they can communicate with the coordinators. I’m glad he’s not breathing down their backs.
Can you critique Gibbs coaching style for me? Did you not agree with him?
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
As with
McNabb, Beck, Devin Thomas etc. When you become ineffective then changes must be made. Kyle is not doing a good job right now
Please sir first Phil jackson and now Gibbs STOP referencing mike wih any other head coach than kyle.
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I'm refering to coaching styles not production, READ.
Ok lets turnover the offensive keys to you, what would you do that Kyle isn’t doing?
Run the ball? B/c that’s been real effective with this o-line.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Run with your
New favorite Redskin Helu. If we have a first down inside the 15 yard line not have my qb pass the ball on 1st down.
Not so many PA passes without establishing any running game
More shotgun to buy some time for the QB
Maybe more draws
And if I had a week to plan maybe a few other things
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You don't think every point you just made can't be batted down w/ personnel proficiencies?
Our players need to learn the scheme that they are going to be playing for the foreseeable future rather than totally change the mentality of the offense. It’s like the defense last year, it was a cold shower approach and wasn’t pretty, but it’s going to pay in the end and the defense is better now with better personnel.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
It's a pretty simple question: do you think Kyle is getting the most out of his talent?
The answer is an obvious NO.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I completely agree...
But in which ways can Kyle maximize his talent? I do agree that Step 1 needs to be feeding someone other than Torain more (who has just been terrible lately). I really think having Choice healthy will help the platoon out a bit, I think he’s a definite upgrade over Torain.
In regards to the passing game though, I have no problem with what Kyle did yesterday. I thought the passing game was a lot better but was held back by drops, mistakes, and just a general deficiency at the QB position.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
During the broadcast yesterday the announcer said while Beck was starting we didn't have 1 pass thrown for over 20 yards
Kind of hard to move the ball when you can’t stretch the field more then 10 yards.
Rex definitely moved the ball better but even in the preseason you could see we were going to have redzone issues. I look foward to when we have better talent to see how this offense runs.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Torain looks like he is running in water
It was ridiculous how slow he looked. After Helu breaking out last week in the passing game, I’d have to say Torain’s number of downs played is the head scratcher of the game for me.
It's because Zorn never actually tried to rebuild it
We’re playing a large number of rookies and in the middle of the biggest roster turnover this team has seen in more than 20 years. What we’re seeing now are the growing pains that come with doing things the right way.
The Shanahan offense seems to work just fine in Houston where they have a capable quarterback and fully developed weapons. Maybe you should just relax and give them a chance to do that here.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 14, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As Mike Singletary once said
I WANT WINNERS!
by killianskid34 on Nov 14, 2011 12:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Comparing Shanahan to Zorn
Is ridiculous. Do you remember those teams. Penalties, mental mistakes, swinging gates. I think we led the league in wasted timeouts.
This team is a MUCH better coached team. They just don’t have the talent to physically match what they are trying to do, but as far as who got more out of less, hands down Shanahan.
HEY! If you were a hotdog, would ya eat yourself?
by jellis113 on Nov 14, 2011 1:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Trading for mcnabb
And two second string QBs is not rebuilding.
Zorn drafted several young WR’s a QB a LB and i believe some linemen.
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The McNabb trade was foolish
but I think you’re credibility is going totally out the window if you’re really going to compare those drafts with barely any picks combined with outrageous FA signings that went on under Zorn to the pick stockpiling and roster turnover combined with more modest FA moves we’ve had under Shanahan.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 14, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The only one of those players I can think of right off is Fred "Sleepy" Davis
Doesn’t matter so much WHAT you draft as WHO you draft.
Zorn/Cerratto picked ok for position, but considering we could have had DeSean Jackson, Fred Davis, and Calais Campbell for those exact same picks (Calais, you may recall, blocked a FG against us in Arizona earlier this year….)
Instead, we chose Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, and Malcolm Kelly.
“Even a blind pig occasionally finds a truffle”.
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In the end though, do you really want DeSean Jackson
think of how much of disruptive force he would be for a team that had a terrible locker room. There are only a few places that he would be able to thrive without his teammates beating the crap out of him for being so freakin’ annoying.
I would MUCH rather have had DeSean than Devin or Malcolm.
Even if “in the end” meant we were trading him to some other team for a draft pick, vice releasing the two we did get.
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DJax does not need to come here, lets just hope his time is done in Philly and he goes somewhere in the AFC.
And why would we need DJax when Brandon Banks is such a great returner?
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying I want him NOW.
I’m saying we could have had him THEN instead of Thomas or Kelly.
Heck, I’m still sore that we didn’t take Calais Campbell after all these years on that draft.
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Whose to say DeSean wouldn't have been worse for us
I agree, we wasted the picks on Thomas and Kelly, but wouldn’t it have been worse if we picked up Jackson and he created as much drama and locker room issues as Haynesworth due to the fact that we couldn’t get him the ball consistently or his contract wasn’t worthwhile. I’d still rather have dumped off Thomas and Kelly than picked up DeSean Jackson because I know his negatives far outweigh his positives – specifically this year.
Actually, I don't think there would have been as much drama.
He would have been the #2 immediately, and probably surplanted ’Tana as #1 (definitely at this point).
That would have gone a long way in assuaging the ego part. All that’s left is money, and I think they would pony up for a young, dynamic #1.
Now, he’s ruined (attitude basket case) but if you had caught him BEFORE that time…..
Yeah, I see DeSean Jackson playing in Oakland or on the Jets next year.
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gotcha my bad Bill
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
and about houston
We are not even running the same plays as them. There best player is out and they still put up about 35 a game. What Makes there qb so effctive ? running ability and throwing the deep ball ? whe had one of those and we traded him away
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hahaha
There best player is out and they still put up about 35 a game.
Schaub > Rex/Beck
Foster > Helu
Tate > Torain
WRs are better
Their o-line is WAAAY better
Give me a break.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Even still
Kyle didnt draft thoes guys why would he deserve any credit there ?
I could probably make a good OC with that team
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They run nearly the same offense and same scheme.
It’s their personnel that makes the difference and you just admitted that with you’re idiotic statement that you would make a good OC for the Texans. So first you say they score 35 despite their personnel and not having their best player, now anyone could be the OC for that team?
Great point…
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You can not say
that they have studs that is why they are good and say that they were good because kyle was the OC.
Make up your mind
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Who said this at all, ever, on this site?
say that they were good because kyle was the OC.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING
Kyle in houston is not kyle here. If you dont have studs then you need to be more creative with your play calling. Kyle did not draft a single player on Houstons team. He does not deserve one bit of credit for that team or how well they are playing.
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Kyle doesn't draft here either
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
but he does at least call the plays. His Father and Bruce draft. So one would believe that they would draft or sign FA that would help our offense. It does not look like that has happened.
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Not yet.
Have you ever heard the saying Rome wasn’t built in a day? Well, welcome to Rome. If we brought in 40 new players all in one offseason this team would be an even bigger mess. I used to build houses. If you build a house to quickly it is shoddy, looks like shit, and won’t last long. If you take the time to build a quality house it will be strong, look amazing, and last for 100 years.
My point being people need to stop looking at the short term and look at the big picture. Over the past 15-20 years this team has been extremely short sighted.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Although I agree with this
Shanahan has had 2 years to build this offense and we still have not one single play maker. Even when healthy (Moss and Cooley are good, Fred Davis is good but has key drops).
Then we look at the 49ers and Bills who turned around their teams in 1 year with a coaching change.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 14, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Where would you like to get the playmakers from? High picks? FA?
I don’t think the Bills are good example. Gailey hit on Fitzpatrick after giving up on Edwards (lucky). And he inherited Stevie Johnson (7th rounder, Lucky), and Fred Jackson (UDFA, Lucky).
The few picks and FA pick ups that they’ve designated to “playmakers” have been duds. Lynch, Spiller, Owens, etc.
Gailey’s drafts have been pretty bad also.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with that though Lynch was drafted before Gailey
and Gailey was wise enough to trade him last year for a 4th rounder, which netted them Chris Hairston OT.
I agree that Gailey missed pretty big on the 2010 draft (why on god’s green earth do you draft Spiller when you have Fred Jackson???) He found a couple solid late rounders (JMU’s finest Arthur Moats), but that was about it in the draft. After the draft though he signed Donald Jones, David Nelson and Naaman Roosevelt as UDFA’s they are now the Bills 2nd, 3rd and 4th receivers, and showed such promise that Buffalo was able to ship out Lee Evans for another 4th rounder.
This year though Gailey had a really strong draft I thought. Dareus is a beast, and Aaron Williams, DaNoris Searcy, Kelvin Sheppard and Justin Rogers (what is with the Bills nabbing all the top FCS talent from VA?) all have bright futures. And Chris Hairston whom they got in that Lynch trade has played really well this year, and would be the Skins starting RT right now if he was in Washington.
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Yea the draft this year was definitely solid.
In regards to the receiving corps, I’m not sure how much of it is luck vs. skill. I think the Evans trade was more of a move to retain Stevie.
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i loved the addition of all three of those UDFA guys,
two small school guys and a guy David Nelson who was overshadowed at Florida. There is some luck involved with any late round pick or UDFA, but at least they actually try to find UDFA’s, look at the guys we signed after each of the last two drafts? Some have made the team out of necessity, but these weren’t the top guys whom everyone was talking about after the draft.
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I don't know what I'm saying?
Kyle did not draft a single player on Houstons team. He does not deserve one bit of credit for that team or how well they are playing.
Ok… can you show me where anyone is saying that he does deserve the credit for Houston’s offense? He was being tutored under Kubiak, who worked under Shanny for 12 years.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Why is Kyle one the team ?
If Mike tutored Kubiak why would he need to bring in someone else to call his plays ??
Answer that please
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So you don't want an offensive coordinator?
I’m sure Mike calls plays every now and then, but right now Kyle needs to learn just as much as our young offense does. You know for when we have the correct personnel and games actually matter.
So now you’re perfectly OK with Shanny, as long as he calls his own plays? Zorn called his own plays, you must of been in love then.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Look around
some offensive minded head coaches actually call there own plays. I havent seen mike call a single play since he has been here. ( I mean look at a playsheet and call a play off of it)
Kyle can learn on his own time and not at the expense of an NFL franchise in real games.
As for Zorn, when you do call the plays at least he took responsibility when they did not work. Something Kyle or Mike would never do.
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I havent seen mike call a single play since he has been here. ( I mean look at a playsheet and call a play off of it)
Can you explain to me what it looks like to see a coach call a play on the NFL level? Watch every NFL Films footage with the Redskins on it and you’ll see Shanahan is VERY active in the playcalling.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't they have a few QBs who got abused before they actually learned to draft Olinemen?
Same process here.
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
It is clear what is going on here
Mike is trying to “leave the team” to his son. But it is clear that his son is not a good coach. Mike is in a bad position because he knows that if he takes over playcalling or fires his son than kyles career is over. Thay are using the Redskins and no one seems to care.
The Rod has spoken
I think you should create a fan post detailing how you would fix this team
It should be a two year plan with specifics on players you would get rid of, coaches you would get rid of, and how you would change the scheme. Then it should detail waht free agents you would bring in and how you would draft to shore up problems. I would be very interested to read this post.
Also you can’t use generalizations like FIRE EVERYBODY. BRING IN A NEW FRONT OFFICE. TRADE THE FUTURE FOR LUCK.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll be more than happy to provide resources to make this happen also.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Also you need to take into account a couple of things.
First you need to realize that 30-40% of your moves will not work out well. Every front office has hits and misses. Even Cerrato and Millen had a couple of hits.
Second you need to take into account that players coming to your scheme on offense and defense will take at least a year to adjust to it. So if you go back to the 4-3 you need to figure all of these guys will take at least a year to get comfortable.
Third is personalities. As in evetbody has one. If you say I will bring back Fat Albert just realize he is a cancer.
Fourth salary cap. This isn’t Madden. You have a budget.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Alos you need to put why you feel your ideas will work
So you put Russ Grimm as your new HC and Capers as your DC. You should explain why. I think everyone on this site that want s a new coach should do this.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think it is obvious that (Kyle) "is not a good coach"
He hasn’t screwed up yet, as far as we know. He doesn’t run things here. Of course, he has not yet proved that he is a good coach, either. I don’t think it is at all obvious that Kyle will take over for Mike, and I doubt that either Mike or Kyle think he will or should. As I said from the start, it was not a good idea for Mike to make his son the OC – just too disruptive.
give me a few days
I would have to see what free agents are available. I would have to fire the Shanahans (Obviously). So I should be able to hire who I want as coach.
Parks im good on resources. You like the direction of the team right now and that is what scares me.
Think that this would be good for alot of people who visit this site.
The Rod has spoken
Well do Step 1 right now and hire your new HC...
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
How the hell are you stealing a SB team's DC?
I’m tired of the nostalgic Russ Grimm talk also, the only thing he’s ever coordinated in his life is AZ’s running game and it stinks.
There is a reason why Grimm is passed up every year as a HC.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Ok then
Marvin Lewis is in the final year of his contract so he would be my DC or maybe Bill Cowher as my HC and Russ or jimmy Raye as my OC
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1) Bill Cowher is never coming here, we've tried every, single year
2) Marvin Lewis is definitely not coming back here.
3) Jimmy Raye, sure you can have him, but I think he may be 800 years old.
You can have Capers but explain why you got him and how you got him.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
So
is this how this is going to work ?
This is my team I can overpay or make Dom the HC, then bring in grimm or some under ther radar OC that even you have never heard of. The coachs name doesnt matter the team philosophy/Identity is what is important.
The Rod has spoken
You see but here is your problem
If you overpay for your coach the first time he loses two games in a row people will start screaming that we overpaid for a no talent hack of a HC. You bring in an unknown OC or DC and the first time there is trouble people will be screaming that we should have brought in somone that has experience as an NFL OC or DC.
This is what we do.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Is that solid on Cowher not coming here? I didn't know we had tried
One thought I’ve mentioned before – those guys on the NFL pregame shows, and the analysts/announcers – love those jobs – must be the greatest jobs in the world. Jimmy Johnson, Terry Bradshaw, Howie Long, Jon Gruden, Troy Aikman, et al – you couldn’t pry them out without a pitchfork.
I'm with you...
I was interested in him years ago. He has been groomed by some good organizations, he is a no-nonsense coach, previous OL for this organization.
Now, whether you could get Capers….
exactly
You lose the respect of your player when OC calls the head coah Dad. everyone knows where Mikes allegiance lies and they know that if it comes down to it then any player will be out before his son is out. If you can not hold your own son accountalble then you have lost the lockeroom
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Man
your posts make me think we as a fanbase deserve the team we have. I don’t know how it’s possible to criticize Snyder when it sounds like a lot of people have been happy with his rapid hire/fire, short-sighted approach.
Maybe the Shanahans plan sinks but at least give the guy the length of his contract.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 14, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why
what has he done to deserve to stay name one area that we are better off. No one said this about Zorn or anyone else. Why is Mike special. This isnt some friendship we dont owe him any favors its business. McNabb or no player gets to stay till the end of there contract so why should a coach ?
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Zorn had no business ever being made an HC
He also never had the same kind of authority over the team Shanahan apparently does when it comes to putting together a roster. My belief is that the rot ran so deep with the team that you can’t possibly expect it to be turned around in a season and a half.
It doesn’t mean Shanahan will succeed but it does mean calling for his head is way premature. But yea, I guess you were one of those fans who were thrilled when they fired Marty and brought in Spurrier… some people prefer a well aged red, some like to sniff glue. It’s all personal preference I guess. If it isn’t working immediately just throw it on out.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 14, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My point above explains this
Shanahan is making dirt from poop right now, which in time will bear the fruit of his loins.
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
Just think of what Zorn's locker room was like.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Firing Marty was a mistake, but
I have read that Marty demanded too much control, and Snyder just wouldn’t give it. Unfortunate (because Marty would have built a multi-year winner), but understandable.
Steve just wasn’t up to the job, and knew it. To his great credit, he realized that he could not build a winner, and went back to something he enjoyed and could do (college football). NFL coach is a really tough job – few people can handle it. And it’s not obvious who those few are. Hiring Jim Zorn as HC was a mind boggling blunder – Snyder/Cerrato should have done their homework a lot better, because plenty of clues were there (including Seattle not promoting Jim). Jim Zorn is a nice, smart, hard working guy, but without the managerial ability to be a head coach in the NFL. As I said, very few do have that ability.
Yea screw Marty for wanting to build a team!
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Marty wanted the exact control that Shanahan has now.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
How exactly is that "understandable"?
So you think it’s okay for Snyder to fire a coach because he wants to build a multi-year winner and doesn’t want the owner to meddle? Boy, your logic is flawless.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
Phil Daniels says Carlos Rogers started wearing contacts in San Fran
I made this point last year that perhaps Rogers depth perception and drops were hindered by eyesight, and man did I get grilled.
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I remember that!
I actually laughed when you said it.
If this is true, though, we as Redskins fans need to go visit Mr. Roger’s neighborhood with a bunch of bats, pitchforks, torches, feathers, maybe some hot tar, and a couple boards.
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Son of a....
I hope a Russian satellite falls on him during practice.
And probably catch the damn thing
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, others wondered about his eyesight
especially after one big drop when replays showed that his hands did not reach for the ball – literally missed it – which made me wonder. The Skins should really have tested his vision – for everybody’s benefit.
I'm for giving Shanahan till 2013 to make it work - but
I have this gut feeling that snyder is going to start meddling again which is going to lead to a confrontation with Shanahan and he’ll end up leaving
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
You are? Then why do you come on here and bitch after every loss and call for his head?
I’m for giving Shanahan till 2013 to make it work
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Um, Ive have never called for his head but I have been critical of some of his decisions
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
What is with you
why do you want to defend these guys to your dying breath ? What have they done for the team in the year and a half that they have been here ?
The Rod has spoken
Why do you want to fire them in only a year and half?
They haven’t had time to fix everything thats wrong with this team. Yes they made some mistakes, but atleast this regime can own up to their mistakes and move on, we traded for McNabb, it didn’t work out, and we shipped him off and moved on…You gotta give it some time,
…but you won’t so I don’t know why I’m bothering with this…
by Jornek on Nov 14, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They havent owned up to anything?
Why is it a good thing to bring in McNabb but any other free agent brouht in is “Another overpaid Bust” dont forget that they gave mcnabb a contract extension and everything.
at least Haynsworth didnt cost any draftpick just a shit ton of someone elses money.
When you look at coaches like Marvin Lewis and Harbaugh with quick turnarounds of the same roster more or less that was not that good the year before, why do we have to settle for this?
The Rod has spoken
How have they not owned up to anything?
They admitted the McNabb trade was a mistake and they inherited Haynesworth. They routinely put the blame on themselves.
I’m not a huge fan of Kyle, but he’s 31 and getting invaluable experience right now. Hopefully experience that will pay off in the future.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Kyle
I actually really like his offensive scheme. There is ALWAYS someone open, but his playcalling can be suspect sometimes.
When we get the right personnel, things will click.
A good QB is an extension of the OC, and we don't have anything close to that right now.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I know right
Were trying to play football, but were missing pieces, its like trying to run with shoes on with no laces, we look stupid doing it.
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
So you're saying we should draft Denard Robinson?
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
no hes and idiot, we don't need idiots
we need people to wear shoelaces.
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
Well when we draft a rookie QB with a top 5 pick
lets just give him 1.5 years or cut him, no sense in letting anybody stay longer than that. Even if he sat his whole first year.
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inaluable experience
this is the NFL who has time for that, there is no on the job training . Who cares about Kyle getting expereince. REALLY, I feel like you should stop
The Rod has spoken
What? Do you know what a rebuild is?
The first 3 years of Shanahan’s regime should absolutely be about job training for everyone involved.
All you are doing is calling for the Redskins to be in the same clusterfuck they’ve been in since Snyder took over the team. You may make the playoffs twice a decade, but the rest is going to suck. We’re actually trying to build the team the right way for once, give it some time and pipe down.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Not to
Defend Snyder, but this team was a clusterfuck well before he took over. Since we had won the Superbowl earlier in the decade, people forget how bad we were in the 90’s. Norv Turner tanked this team well before Snyder entered the picture.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I completely agree and I made a point last week that people forget this has been going on well past his regime
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Why? B/c I believe this is a 5 year plan. So why jump on a dude when he's 30% through the plan?
Apparently you think it’s a 4 year plan, but you’re calling for his head not even half way into the plan? So how does that work?
Snyder finally did what all of us have been asking for in hiring a coach, let him build it the right way, and get the hell out of the way. But for some reason some fans want to step in and get Snyder to do the same thing he has been doing for over a decade.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Umm..... actually he thinks its a 1 and a half year plan
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but the extra two years are b/c of how bad Shanny did in year 1
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I agree he did bomb year one.
I’m sure it’s hard for a coach to take that rebuild mentality right from the start when you’re at a new job and want to do well. I think he has all his ducks in a row now.
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i hope
but i still hold him accountable for all his actions and inactions. Of course he won’t be perfect, but his record (and not W/L) is pretty bad right now. And he’s not making it any better with the Banks/Torain/Jamaal Brown obsessions.
I’m also getting sick with his responses to the media asking legitimate questions. He can joke all he want about Haynesworth coming back, but the fact is Shanny made that mess and yippee we got a 2013 5th for him, but it set us back. Then when the media asks him a serious question he is more of a prick than Bill Belicheck. I hate Belicheck, but at least he wins football games.
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It does not make sense to change coaches every 2 years. He inherited a horrendous team from Zorn. Shanahan’s great mistake was that he should have started to rebuild the roster in his first year. Unfortunately he believed players like Dockery, Rabach, Portis, and others had a little bit left in the tank, and went with a win now approach
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
by Redskin44 on Nov 14, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
It also does not make sense to keep a guy around just for continuity.
If a guy isn’t up to the task, he has to be cut loose.
About 12 months from now we should know whether Shanahan deserves to stay.
It’s not about W/L, it’s about showing potential for the future.
Right now there’s not enough potential.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Well said... I'm starting to see a little potential and I think that's a good thing.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
as in all fires start with a spark?
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
sure...
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
or all rainbows come from a cloud?
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
Or....all dirt comes from poop of microscopic organisms that add nutrients to the plants that inhibit the dirt itself which die and then turn back into poop to repeat the cycle over and over, all the while people/animals are eating the fruits/vegitation
from the plant and making there own poop which in time can be composted back into soil that bears life for something beautiful?
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
Shanahan is making dirt from poop right now you guys
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
I just had the worst visual image ever
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
i pictured shanahan on the ground with a bucket churning poop
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
Alright now I have to share
He is naked in his office on top of his desk eating handfulls of dirt while squating and pushing out poop. The more he pushes the redder he gets. Kind of like the game yesterday.
I know I have issues.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
read much Stephen King?
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
Actually no, why?
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
very King-esque
in its visual descriptiveness, content and overall weirdness
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
some games I see it and some games I don't.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Snyder cannot and will not meddle
Bruce and Shanny simply don’t work that way. They’d either say fire us or gtf out of the way.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 14, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
That's a lot of faith you have there.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
That is my point. They will leave if he meddles, and I’m not so sure Snyder can resist meddling
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
You are right about that
It’s in his DNA. That can’t be changed.
by killianskid34 on Nov 14, 2011 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just me, but I don't think Snyder will meddle in football matters
But he could fire Shanahan. I wonder what the odds are that Shanny will get sacked after this season? Even money? 2-1 against?
Guys can this lady please come work for CSN washington?
Meredith Marakovits…if I had a twitter I’d tweet you to ask you this question however I don’t.
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
which is it...
poor talent or poor coaching? And how could you tell? If you have poor talent, how would you know if the coaching is bad? Kyle left Houston, and then have maintained the scheme and talent level and performance. Poor coaching is only identified if a new coach takes over a team, makes little or no adjustments and produces a better result (see Jon Gruden @ Tampa Bay).
I don’t know if any of us can tell which needs improvement. Obviously, the talent needs to be improved, and yet, what if the coaching is poor, and not developing the youth adequately? How would we know? The Shanahan’s have been doing this for a long time, with good results. Let’s see who they get for a QB, and OL. Full scale rebuilding does take time. Let’s wait to find out what we have here.
Draft
Getting lost in all the sea of negativity this season is this year’s crop of rookies. I can’t think of a class in the last 20 years that looks as good as this one does.
That is why it blows my mind when they say Shanahan is a bad evaluator to talent
The majority of the draft picks he has made thus far have worked out for us. Obviously, the QB evaluations for Free Agents and trades have been lackluster, but Shanny is a far better talent scout than people will give him credit for.
the picks COULD work out.
but we are from establishing that any of the 2011 rookies are long term solutions at anything.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Of all the recent drafts we've had, few rookies have had this type of immediate impact
I’m willing to call it a success only 9 games into the season.
Yeah, and 9 games into a season Chris Horton looked like a keeper.
Shanahan took the right approach to the 2011 draft. Whether the picks actually work out remains to be seen.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I will say one thing about the guys Shanny has brought in whether they work out or not.
These guys have a genuine passion for the game and a drive to get better. There is not one young player that he has brought in that has been a distraction of any sort. These are quality guys and I hope the trend continues.
Just yesterday you could see how upset Kerrigan was about his helmet to helmet penalty. I think it was a very teachable moment and you won’t see it again from him.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Passion is one thing
ability is completely different. You can want to do what ever you want, but if you cant do it then you just cant do it. Like alot of the guys that Mike has brought in.
The Rod has spoken
So what draft picks and guys that Mike has brough in to this year's roster are you upset with?
And please skip over the McNabb trade, you’ve reached your quota.
Which guys haven’t shown ability?
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well Hankerson hasn't scored 17 touchdowns already
so he’s obviously a bust,
Helu hasn’t rushed for 300 yards in a game all season, I mean come on parks, are any of these guys good?
by Jornek on Nov 14, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kerrigan hasn't had 2 sack fumbles in a game
oh wait
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
Mo Hurt and Nield haven't made the pro bowl yet
Paul hasn’t caught 12 TDs yet.
Jenkins couldn’t magically heal his knee.
Gomes hasn’t made the NFL forget Ronnie Lot.
B-U-S-T. All of em.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
He was a seventh round compensatory pick
He wasn’t a first, second, third, or fourth rounder. Theoretically, these guys should have more skill and consistency than Horton.
Also everyone has said Horton wasn't the same after getting injuried
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
irrelevant to my point.
it is too early to crown any of our rookies except maybe Kerrigan.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I'm just glad we at least seem to be stock piling draft picks
The more picks we have the more chances we have to find people and it’s less of a catastrophe when we whiff on a pick.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 14, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Kerrigan looks downright awesome
But not enough info on Jenkins, Hankerson, Helu and Paul, although they look pretty good.
Not enough credit
Another thing lost in all this is Bruce Allen. He had a pretty good track record before coming here and I doubt very seriously he has no say in these drafts. The individuals that want to put the Cerratto era on their backs are just nuts. I realize this is frustrating but the Allen/Shanahan regime needs time and a year and a half doesn’t cut it (unless your name is Riggins). You want a complete disaster here? Fire Allen and Shanahan like some in the voice media push for and then find anybody short of a Division 3 college coach that would be willing to come here.
by Croftonpost on Nov 14, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A lot of people forget the shortened offseason also.
I’m wondering if that was a huge factor for not drafting a QB last year?
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I think it was
I also believe it was a driving factor in not bringing another veteran in.
by Croftonpost on Nov 14, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think it was more surprise that the folks we were targeting were taken just before us.
If the Titans hadn’t taken Locker at #7, we were taking him at #10. When he was gone, we punted, then went Kerrigan.
May end up being a VERY lucky move (it netted us Kerrigan and Jerkins), but it’s too early to tell, especially with Locker not having played yet.
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Right now
At this point in time I would have trouble taking any rookie other than Cam ahead of Kerrigan so I think the Skins were very fortunate.
by Croftonpost on Nov 14, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
you think kerrigan was his initial selection?
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I think Ponder was.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yea I think Locker was too, sorry to be confusing.
I think it was…
Plan A: Draft Locker
Plan B after Locker was off the board: Trade back, take Ponder
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
well good thing he messed up...has locker been playing?
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That is more by design than necessity
If he were here, he probably would have sat behind Grossman and Beck — up until this past week if everything else was held constant.
well i think it is design and necessity
Locker has big time potential, but is pretty far away from reaching it
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Locker hasn't played, but that's not a reflection on Locker by any means.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I know mike had his hard on pointed at him his first year here didn't think he'd still like him after he showed he couldn't improve his accuracy
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i don't know I think it def. does have to do with Locker
The Titans aggressively pursued Hasselbeck and signed him to a 3 year deal (and with the Guaranteed money are at least counting on him for 2 years). I think they realized that Locker needs to sit and be taught how to clean up his mechanics and throw the ball to his teammates and not 5 feet in front of them.
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That seems to make the most logical sense
No one could have predicted Ponder going as high as he did. the Vikings were in desperation mode.
No idea
If so then it was brilliant. However, in the draft were held today no way Kerrigan falls like he did in April. He would definitely be a top 10 pick.
by Croftonpost on Nov 14, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Allen has input, but Shanahan is the one calling the shots.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I've heard that argument - that nobody good would come here if Snyder fired Shanahan
and I don’t think it is true. I have no doubt that Snyder could get virtually anybody he wanted – partly by offering a lot of money, but also because hundreds of coaches would love to take a shot at being Head Coach of the Redskins. Money, fame, power, great challenge – every over achiever in America would want it. Remember too, the very lack of success would help make the job more attractive by, in effect, setting the bar low – only one way to go – up. I admit though, those TV guys have a really sweet deal, so they might hesitate to go to any coaching job.
I have a question for all of the Shanahan lovers
Why in the world did Helu not get a carry until about the 3rd quarter?
The Rod has spoken
He fumbled last week. Shanahan is like the abusive tim mcgraw from friday night lights
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You've been harping on how Helu sucks for two weeks, so didn't the fact they didn't use him make you happy?
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
To answer you question it's the way the platoon has worked in several games.
It’s paid off in some games (St. Louis) and hasn’t in others. I’m not sure what the method is to their madness, but they are certainly more qualified in their decision making than I am.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
What happened with AA and Austin? Poor Anthony A must be on the S*** list
Played Anderson ahead of him, first week on the team.
I think at his point in time it would not hurt to just start Helu and see what he’s got. would like to see him getting 15 to 20 carrier pers game the rest of the season.
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
Agreed
I would like to see all the younger players get more time where possible particularly Gomes for Doughty.
that was mystery to me as well
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
Change of pace
Wear them down with ATV then bring in Helu. Kind of like starting the game with a knuckleball pitcher then switching to a guy that throws 100 mph. Would have worked except for the Sexy INT.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
yeah those 9 yards on 8 carries really wore them down.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
it probably did wear them out, since they were able to dance around after constantly stopping him after little gain
it’s not the actual play that wears them out, but the celebration afterwards. That is Shanny’s strategy, tire them out and get them overconfident.
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Was wondering the same thing but
I don’t want the Shanahans fired because of it. If things still look crappy after next year then his time is running out. They have a ton to fix but hardly any talent to do it. Give it time. Be mad at the coaches when they have had time to improve things.
Michael Vick has two broken ribs
but finished the game yesterday. If I’m Eli Manning and Grossman, I’d be very nervous about my ribs right now.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 1:08 PM EST reply actions
Andre Carter has been an absolute beast for us. He is tied for sacks and for qb hits and has played the run amazingly well.
Have not had this type of production (pass rush) since 2007.
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