Friday Morning Debate -- Which Redskins Running Back Will Have the Best Day Against the Eagles?
by Ken Meringolo on Oct 7, 2011 11:17 AM EDT
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This is NOT a referendum on which running back you think should start or even who you like best. I love the fact that we have three guys and that any of them could explode on an opponent. This is a crapshoot, quasi-fantasy scoring based query.
I think that between Ryan Torain, Tim Hightower and Roy Helu, the Redskins seem pretty set to run the ball effectively. Perhaps in the comments section you can elaborate over why you picked the one you did. On any given Sunday, any one of these guys could turn in the best fantasy scorecard.
**I feel the need to make clear that I value Redskins victories above fantasy stats and scoring. I could just sense that coming up...somehow.
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Eagles seem to have RZ trouble defensively.
I’m expecting TIMMY! to vulture a few TDs
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I’m recalling Torain’s truck over Mikell last year. I could see that happening again on the Eagles’ weak linebacking corp.
This
We’re a small defense… Torrain’s psycho-running will allow him the most production.
"When life hands you lemons, make a profit." - Chet Cashley
"Float like a Butterfly, sting like a Bee; Make sure you got the ball in your hands, or else you won’t get a TD." - Joe Theismann
by Ralf E Chubbs on Oct 7, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This is why I voted Torain
That, and I expect him to see the lion’s share of carries since he showed flashes of the old healthy Torain we saw over part of last season.
Exaclty what I was about to comment on
Mikell got steam rolled, and while he is no longer a member of the steam team (steaming pile of…) those LBs look ripe for the picking…
Look for a repeat trucking of the Eagles D from Torain and Hightower, with some Helu mixed in as well…
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Oct 7, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember torrain havin a big game last year
But I think helu will have the best all around game, if we block well enough that he can run routes instead of blocking, the eagles aren’t very good at linebacker and he would be a tough cover
by BmoreRedskin on Oct 7, 2011 11:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Torain
I don’t think Torain will have the most yards out of the group, but he will be the steam locomotive to power in at least a couple of TD…
I don't know who will have the best game (but ill just go with Helu for the hell of it)
I expect all 3 to be productive when called upon given the state of the Eagles run defense which will be even weaker with the injuries they have.
Torain
Him and Helu will will have big days against Philly’s awful linebacking corps.
I just hope Reid sticks with hisses first, second, third, AND FOURTH mentality.m
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
wtf was that?
I THINK I meant his PASS first, second, and third mentality.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Oct 8, 2011 4:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wow
Torain has 1 big game and suddenly 63% seem to think he’s going to rattle off hundred yard games like they’re nothing week after week.
Torain is a beast hun. He just has a durability problem. lol If he could stay healthy, he is EASILY the best back on this roster. But we have to see if he can hold up.
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by RedskinsGirl on Oct 7, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember last year?
More production from Torain then than whatever you guys have going on this year with Helu and Timmy ‘Preseason Stud’ Hightower.
I seriously think he outproduces your other RBs but that’s all dependent on him not getting injured.
"When life hands you lemons, make a profit." - Chet Cashley
"Float like a Butterfly, sting like a Bee; Make sure you got the ball in your hands, or else you won’t get a TD." - Joe Theismann
by Ralf E Chubbs on Oct 7, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
we never
had even close to 200 yards rushing in a single game last season. This season we’ve almost had 200 yards twice, and one of those games was without Torain at all.
Torain had 172 last season against Tampa
Everything Hightower was doing successfully in the preseason he seems to be shying away from now. He was making great cuts and hitting the hole hard in the preseason, not it seems like he’s trying to use his non existent speed to beat people to the outside.
That's what I see as well
"When life hands you lemons, make a profit." - Chet Cashley
"Float like a Butterfly, sting like a Bee; Make sure you got the ball in your hands, or else you won’t get a TD." - Joe Theismann
by Ralf E Chubbs on Oct 7, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Helu has been more impressive in my opinion. They need to give him more to do.
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by DCO'sfan on Oct 7, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What else does he have to prove?
He clearly has talent and makes the most of every limited carry. I can’t say the same for Hightower or Torain (even last game). Why not start him?
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It's the NFL! It's situational running. What does it matter who the "starter" is?
Each back complements the other. The formula for a winning running game in DC isn’t pounding Helu 25+ times a game or making him the “starter” or feature back. It needs to be an even mix with each back getting 8-12 carries. If one has a hot hand then ride the hot hand.
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Torrain
He seems to be the least banged up at this point. Would love to see all the backs in there but it seems kinda difficult to spread the ball to all three. Has Torrain’s blocking improved?
HTTR!
I think torrain
will rattle off a hundred yard game like it’s nothing every week for the rest of the season even if he gets hurt again.
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
I think HIghtower
Only reason-Torrain gave Hightower the motivation last game to show he is the Man.
Honestly...
I like em all. When a defense gears up to address Tim Hightower’s style and then we rotate Helu in, Helu runs right through them. Helu is able to capitalize on the mental focusing of a defense to game plan Tim’s style and skill. I think the best thing about us having 3 amazing RBs who all create a bit of different headache for an defense, is that we are able to open the flood gates of yardage gains!
I’m loving how we handle our running currently. All three definitely seem to feed on each other. The Eagles I think are going to have a hard time adjusting to whom ever starts and we rotate in and out.
lets not be fooled
we do not have 3 amazing hb….there not 3 amazing hb in the league….we have 3 hb that fit our schemes, but none are garunteed 100/game
by back_to_the_future on Oct 7, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it was the Rams
but Torain was in pure beast mode last Sunday and I think that continues against the Eaglets. He’s back, he’s healthy, and he wants to prove that he should be the #1 RB on our team.
You had me at Helu..
The great thing is
he does have to prove it. This is the best RB competition/depth we’ve had in years thinks to Shanny.
You had me at Helu..
Depth, perhaps
but quality? Healthy Portis and Betts were better. Stephen Davis was better also. It’s possible that Helu could develop into something special, but none of these guys are spectacular. They work hard and are easy to root for, but not game changers.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 7, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Option 4?
I have no idea. Hightower apparently had some sort of injury that led to Torrain getting those carries. If Hightower is healthy, does torrain even get in the game?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 7, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions
It depends
If we still don’t have a fullback you have to go Torain or Helu. Hightower is a great back but he needs a fullback to be successful.
The Rod has spoken
by Rodskin on Oct 7, 2011 1:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think
I am going to have to go with Charlie Harraway on this one. I think he is going to start over Mike Hull while Larry rehabs.
What league?
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And yet....
Cadillac Williams, Ahmad Bradshaw, Michael Turner, Frank Gore just somehow keeping running straight through the Eagles D…. weird….
Somebody has overdosed on cheesesteaks again
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 7, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I looked it up, Jimmy is right.
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Agreed...
My girlfriend is Philly born and Raised so the Eagles are every weekend in my house as much as Redskins. I enjoy all the games. Especially our division match ups. Haven’t missed the DC Eagles games in 3 years….
Last year sucked…. haha… and that’s all I wanna say about that.
Chaney, Rolle, and Fokou are the best set of LBs in the league
Bwahahahahaha! I almosts shot coffee out my nose laughing at this.
In Rob Neyer We Trust
Matthews > McIntosh
Rolle >>> Kerrigan.
Chaney >>>>> Fletcher.
Fokou >>>>>>>>>>> Orakpo.
It’s science.
Eagles fans are looking a bit scared
as they should be. This game should be easy. The Eagles have no offensive line.
by hambonejackson on Oct 7, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been trying to tell people this Jimmy, no one will believe me..
Shady’s stats speak for themselves.
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I really, really hate you for saying that.
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which adds to the pleasure
Shady destroyed the 49ers! Whats his rushes per game? 25?20? A little over 15. You say their line is good. I say their OLine is the reason Vick suffered injuries in back to back games. He has been running for his life. McCoy is a good runner, but i don’t think their OLine is all that and a bag of chips.
by hambonejackson on Oct 8, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHA
HAhahaha. Ha.Haha.Ha. Wait, lemme catch my breath………
Ok. Hahaha…Hahahaha…ha..ha…
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Oct 8, 2011 4:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Haha...
Dayman!…. AHHHHahhhhahhhh, fighter of the NightMAN…AHHhhahhhahhh…champion of the sun! He’s a master of Karate and Friendship for everyone! Love that show! Lived in Philly…. love the food! but…. we’ll see you October 16th. I got end-zone row 11 tickets. Cant wait to see Vick work that pocket muahahahahahaha!
…I love you Kerrackpo!
Torain
I think torain will be most productive bc he seems to be the power back. The eagles are a smaller defense so it just seems like a power back would be used more. Look at all the running backs that had big games against the eagles all power backs.
Someone said up at the top "Psycho Running"
And I think that’s the perfect way to describe Torain. It’s like he just doesn’t care about what or who is in front of him, just run, as fast as you can like you’re on fire. I love it. That being said, Helu has the most yards because I think he’ll have 2 long runs, but Torain sets the tone.
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by iH8dallas on Oct 7, 2011 7:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hightower
There was an article talking about the O-line and how happy the coach was with Chester. He cited one play when Chester used his arm to get clear of one guy, then nailed another, opening a huge hole. Unfortunately, Hightower didn’t go through the hole, and the play was stopped, but the coach was very happy with Chester. When I read it, I noted the Hightower comment, and wondered if that was part of the reason they put in Torain. Of course, Tim hurt his shoulder, too.
It really depends
on what kind of play calls will Kyle Shanahan ‘throw’ at the Eagles. For some reason KS has this Maddenesque fantasy of trying to chuck it all over the place, and isn’t being dedicated to the run.
Rather he’ll stick with the running attack for a short period of time and then just lose focus.
I think Kyle tries to mix things up, fool the other team
which is fine – be very deceptive. But sometimes you just have to use common sense, go with your strength, go with what is working. It’s a delicate balance, more an art than a science.
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