Stop This Insanity!!!
by GeoMak on Oct 5, 2011 11:13 PM EDT
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I refer to a recent post (again) bashing Rex Grossman with comments like this:
Grossman is already responsible for seven giveaways, putting him among the most in the NFL. Romo and Vick are right there with six each
Really? Who Cares???
The Eagles are 1-3. Dallas 2-2.
The Redskins? 3-1.
Get OVER the difference of a few turnovers here and there.
For example, regarding the dreaded Interception:
No Team/QB has ZERO Interceptions this season.
Three teams/QB's have only ONE interception this season, which is the lowest in the league.
Those teams?:
The (surprisingly) 3-1 49ers.
The 0-4 Rams.
the 0-4 Colts.
That's right, TWO 0-4 teams have thrown only ONE interception this season.
Kerry Collins & Curtis Painter have combined for ONE Interception for their WINLESS Colts in 2011.
Sam Bradford and A.J, Feely have combined for ONE Interception for their WINLESS Rams in 2011.
The Vikings are also 0-4. Their QB, Mr. McNabb has only thrown TWO Interceptions this season.
Meanwhile, Tom Brady has FIVE Interceptions. That's MORE than the ENTIRE total for the Colts, Rams and Vikings this season. One more than Kerry Collins, Curtis Painter, Sam Bradford, A.J. Feely and Mr. McNabb COMBINED!
Get It?
HOF'er Tom Brady, of the 3-1 Patriots has thrown MORE Interceptions this season than the 0-12 Colts, Rams & Vikings combined!
Anyone here know that? Didn't think so.
Pro-Bowler Phillip River has Six Interceptions this season. One MORE than Rex Grossman who has Five.
Rivers has lost One Fumble this season. One LESS than Rex.
Rex & Rivers have BOTH turned the ball over SEVEN times this season. Big deal.
Rivers is considered to be one of the best QB's in the NFL.
Yet, he has the SAME number as Rex right now.
That's also the same number as Pro-Bowler Matt Ryan, who ALSO has Seven turnovers already this year.
Pro Bowler and Two-Time SB Champion Ben Roethlisberger? He has NINE turnovers already, two MORE than Rex!
This OBSESSION with the number on INT's/Fumbles lost thrown is laughable. It really is. They're part of the game.
Using Rex's number of Seven turnovers to bash him, at this point of the season is pointless.
My above examples clearly show that. Unless one thinks that Collins, Painter, Bradford, Feely and McNabb are BETTER than Tom Brady. Show of hands. Anyone here think that? Didn't think so
Rex now has the SAME number of turnovers as Matt Ryan & Phillip Rivers. LESS than Big Ben.
Those three are commonly considered to be among the best QB's in the NFL.
I know. I know. Those guys are Pro Bowlers. Rex isn't. One of them has WON a SB. Rex hasn't.
And I know. Rex ALWAYS turns the ball over during CRITICAL moments and those guys? Those guys ONLY turn it over early in the game at NON-CRITICAL times. Right?
Good Grief.
It's a team game and right now your team is 3-1.
Stop This Insanity! It's Ridiculous. It really is.
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redskins will be 6-10 is grossman stays in at QB.. GUARANTEE, the best beck could do is limit the turnovers
Eagles fan.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Oct 5, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yumad, what do you want to bet?
Make it good.
by jmpalomo on Oct 5, 2011 11:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Your Premise is Laughable
As I stated.
He’s turned the ball over MORE than Romo & Vick, the SAME as Ryan & Rivers and LESS than Big Ben.
And that means exactly what, my friend?
Please explain.
I think we will win more than 3 games down the stretch
Our Defense will keep us in most games
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It's official
the team that turns the ball over the most is going to win the game. GG Rex haters, the Redskins are going to the super bowl.
by TheDeepBall on Oct 5, 2011 11:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
We have been playing teams with either banged up or back ups playing in key positions on defense.
Who have we played that has been either healthy or good on defense??? Rex is struggling against bums.
Well
The Redskins are 3-1 against teams that ranked 26th, 18th, 15th, & 13th in Pass Defense.
That’s an average of 18th.
The 4-0 Packers have played teams that were ranked 29th, 23rd, 19th and 6th in Pass Defense.
That’s an average of 19th.
The 4-0 Detroit Lions have played teams that were ranked 28th, 21st, 17th & 15th in Pass Defense. That’s an average of 20th.
The 3-1 T.B. Bucs? They’ve played teams ranked 28th., 24th, 20th and 12th in Pass Defense. That’s an average of 21st.
Rex is 3-1 against statistically better pass defenses that the two 4-0 teams in the NFL and the 3-1 Buccaneers.
Do you really believe that Rex is the reason we are 3-1?................................
As says Tommy Jackson………….“come on man”!
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Give it up Dude
It’s a TEAM game!
Get it?
What part of that CONFUSES you?
Yes, there are RARE exceptions. Like Peyton Manning, who’s not only the QB but a the OC on his team.
Even Tom Brady to a certain degree. He has a HC many consider to be one of the all-time greatest. The year Brady missed they still went 11-5.
It’s a TEAM game. Teams win football games. NOT individual players.
The Ravens are 3-1. Joe Flacco isn’t even completing 50% of his passes.
Get it?
The Chargers are 3-1. As I stated, Rivers has turned the ball over as much as Rex.
Unlike sports like baseball and basketball, football is the ultimate TEAM game.
I never stated or implied Rex was the REASON the Redskins are 3-1. That’s you NOT understanding the game of football.
Yeah
your right. I don’t understand the game of football…………………………………..dude!
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Did I say or even imply that Rex was the season for the 3-1 record?
No.
If I did please show me where.
I said it’s a TEAM game and your TEAM is 3-1. That’s all
I also stated that using giveaways to disparage Rex makes little to no sense, as the above examples point out.
Using that logic we’d have Rex as worse than Romo & Vick, as good as Rivers & Ryan and better than Big Ben.
Virtually none of that makes any sense. To me. Does it make sense to you??
That’s what I was saying in my post.
Where you have me saying that Rex ’"is the reason we are 3-1" is beyond me.
Where you have me saying that Rex ’"is the reason we are 3-1" is beyond me.
You certainly implied it. Why else would you pull out all of the stats you did. You are clearly tired of people picking on Rex, and this is your attempt to defend him by saying the turnovers he’s committed are overrated, and should mean nothing simply because we are 3-1.
He’s averaging 2 TO’s per game. Do you honestly think he can keep this up against good teams, and still come out with a W?
That’s also the same number as Pro-Bowler Matt Ryan, who ALSO has Seven turnovers already this year.
Pro Bowler and Two-Time SB Champion Ben Roethlisberger? He has NINE turnovers already, two MORE than Rex!
This OBSESSION with the number on INT’s/Fumbles lost thrown is laughable. It really is. They’re part of the game.
Using Rex’s number of Seven turnovers to bash him, at this point of the season is pointless
Your attempting to say that Rex’s turnovers should be overlooked because we are 3-1. This is the most rediculous arguement I’ve ever heard for defending his poor play. Well, how about if he hadn’t turned the ball over at the end of the Dallas game. We could be 4-0. .
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too Gross on Grossman!
Well, how about if he hadn’t turned the ball over at the end of the Dallas game. We could be 4-0. .
True and pigs might one day fly but Beck turns the ball over too, and we could be 0-4 with his inexperience. What else have we got? Grossman got sacked at the end of the game because he was forced into a passing game. He shoulda protected the ball but the game was already mostly lost with 28 seconds left. The game was lost when Rocca bobbled the snap on that 2nd quarter field goal attempt. So by your logic, we should can Rocca?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
I hate the "Rocca lost us the game" bull shit
That happened in the 2nd quarter, the entire complexion of the game might have changed had he made that in terms of how the rest of the game was played out. For all you know, Dallas being down 9-6 might’ve felt more aggressive and able to find the end zone to make it 13-9 at half.
I HATE that woulda coulda shoulda crap.
The Rocca snap did not determine the game.
If you believe Grossman can continue to turn the ball over twice a game and we continue to win, go right ahead. The difference between Rex and the franchise guys to mentioned are the timing of those turnovers. Rex turns the ball over at the most crucial times in a ball game. That game wasn’t OVER when he fumbled, we were 20 yards away from Field Goal range. But I knew, like I’m sure so many others did, we would never get an opportunity because of Rex not protecting the ball.
I agree that Rex is probably our best option this season, but saying we shouldn’t give him grief for playing careless football is a joke. Through 4 games, he has gotten progressively worse. I’ll give credit where credit is due, he was a big part of why we beat New York, but since then and going forward, my one main negative for this team is Quarterback play. We were up 17-0 on the Rams before Grossman brought them back and it’s because of Grossman that I am not budging from my 8-8 prediction.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 8, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
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He shoulda protected the ball but the game was already mostly lost with 28 seconds left.
Definitly not true. We had pleanty of time to get into field goal range.
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I don't blame Rocca (He's been great) and I don't minimize Sexy's weaknesses, but.....
But that was the pivotal play. Grossman most likely doesn’t do what he did at the end of the game if we are ahead and protecting the lead instead of in desperation mode with seconds left.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
I don't know if you've taken this into account
but don’t you suppose that the Packers’ and Lions’ opponents are ranked so low in pass defense because they, I don’t know, played the Packers and/or Lions, who are 2 of the best passing teams in the league?If you eliminate the stats from the games against the Packers and Lions from those teams records I bet their averages improve dramatically. Sometimes what looks like the effect is actually the cause.
Your arguement is invalid
In order for your hypothesis to work you need to use the same equation for eveyone. So take away the two worst from each team.
Skins 15th, 13th= 14th
Pack 19th, 6th= 12.5ish
Lions 17th, 15th= 16th
Bucs 20th, 12th = 16th
Take away the best and worst
Skins 18th, 15th= 16.5ish
Pack 23rd, 19th= 21st
Lions 21st, 17th= 19th
Bucs 24th, 17th= 20.5ish
Take the two best away
Skins 26th, 18th= 22nd
Pack 29th, 23rd= 26th
Lions 21st, 17th= 19th
Bucs 24th, 20th= 22nd
As you can see we’re doing pretty good considering our QB is alot worse than Rodgers, Stafford, and Freeman.
I hate when people use this arguement because it doesn’t work. The only way it would be a valid arguement is if all four teams played the same four opponents in the same manner i.e. same weather conditions at a neutral site. Otherwise you go with the data you have.
When life gives you potatoes, make potato salad.
When life gives you shit, make shit salad.
by 64ShagginWagon on Oct 6, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
you didn't hear his argument correctly
he didn’t say to take away games from the teams you are comparing. he said to remove the stats against the packers and lions for the teams they played against. both the packers and lions are extreme cases right now.
i think his argument is valid, though I would also like to see what the stats say. the defenses the pack and lions play against look bad because the pack and lions are so good. you have to take away the pack and lions games from the defenses they played against, not take away the defenses from the pack and lions. you did it backwards.
I'll do it.
The Packers have played against the Saints, Panthers, Bears, and Broncos. Their current rankings are 19, 6, 29, and 23, respectively. They are currently averaging, in order, 254, 203, 301, and 275 passing yards per game. Their current passing yards allowed totals are as follows:
Saints: 1016
Panthers: 812
Bears: 1204
Broncos: 1100
Now, if you subtract the passing yardage totals of the games they played against the Packers, and divide that by 3, you will get the adjusted average.
Saints: 1016 – 312 = 704. 704/3 = 234.
Panthers: 812 – 308 = 504. 504/3 = 168.
Bears: 1204 – 297 = 302
Broncos: 1100 – 408 = 692. 692/3 = 230
So you as you can see, the game averages before and after the Packers came to town are much, much different. Without the Packers game, the Saints, Panthers, Bears, and Broncos would be ranked 16th, 2nd, 30th, and 15th, for an average of 16th overall, or directly in the middle of the league. So as you can see, 3 of the 4 teams the Packers played against are only ranked so low because they played against the Packers. Otherwise they are for the most part at least average or even quite good, in the case of the Panthers. It’s all about the context
Once again my point is
You go with what you got. It’s like saying let’s pretend the Giants were healthy. Wow we did great. Doesn’t work that way.
When I play poker I don’t tell everyone to pretend I’m holding a Royal Flush then take the pot.
The bottom line is people need to be happy with the 3-1 start.
When life gives you potatoes, make potato salad.
When life gives you shit, make shit salad.
by 64ShagginWagon on Oct 6, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
did you even read the last 3 comments?
Geomak was saying that we’ve done really well considering we’ve face “Tougher Defenses” than the 4-0 Packers have. My post was simply pointing out that the teams the Packers played against have worse stats because they played the Packers. I honestly have no idea what your point is here in the first place, if you have one at all, and if you do it’s totally irrelevant to what I’m saying here.
When you can put together a relevant post please come find me.
Don't get angry son
I read your post and I still say your arguement is invalid. You’re changing the numbers to fit your point. My point is you can’t do it.
Sexy put up 300 yards on the giants D so do you throw that out because it skews the numbers? I don’t know. I don’t have the free time on my hands to do the math.
If you don’t understand a post then don’t respond. If you need further help understanding I would be glad to come find you and help you out.
When life gives you potatoes, make potato salad.
When life gives you shit, make shit salad.
by 64ShagginWagon on Oct 7, 2011 2:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
300 yards against the Giants
but an average of 205 yards against the other 3 teams we played against. Meaning that while the Packers hurt their opponents’ passing defense averages, the Redskins actually HELPED their opponent’s averages with their very poor numbers.
The origin of this discussion came from Geomak saying the Packers and Redskins are equal because the defenses they played are all shoddy, but I was pointing out why that is false. In reality the ones that played the Packers are better than they appear and the ones who played the Redskins are actually worse than they appear, simply because they played the Packers or the Redskins, respectively.
I really don’t see how this is such a difficult concept to understand. I think the problem is that you want to take all stats at face value, but anyone who knows anything about football will tell you that you simply can’t do that.
This
I think the problem is that you want to take all stats at face value, but anyone who knows anything about football will tell you that you simply can’t do that
Lots of people on HH do this.
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A couple of points and then I'm done with this
1st. You’re skewing the numbers to your arguement which is Grossman sucks.
2nd. You throw out the 300 yards against the giants and their pass D looks better.
3rd. See not taking it at face value.
4th. His original post was that Rex wasn’t doing that bad and shouldn’t be benched.
5th. If you are going to take numbers at less than face value then as every on who knows anything about football will tell you, you have to do it for everyone. As my Grandpa would say “good for the goose, good for the gander.”
6th. I don’t take all stats at face value. Only an idiot would do that with any aspect of this world. For all I know you are 12 years old living in your parents basement. But I will still give you respect which you should do with others as well.
7th. And this is the best one. You and Tiller actually think the rest of us want Rex as our QB. PPSSSSTTT here’s the seceret; WE DON’T. But we don’t have anyone better. You people act like the Shanahans are in their office laughing about how hilarious it is that Grossman is starting while we have an allpro warming the bench. WE DON’T . Beck was an average college quarterback in a mediocre conference.
When life gives you potatoes, make potato salad.
When life gives you shit, make shit salad.
by 64ShagginWagon on Oct 7, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You must have tunnel vision.
1st. You’re skewing the numbers to your arguement which is Grossman sucks.
No, “skewing the numbers” is what the outlier in a statistic does when included as part of an average, i.e. Rex’s 300 yard game. I am unskewing the numbers.
2nd. You throw out the 300 yards against the giants and their pass D looks better.
That would be the outlier i was talking about.
3rd. See not taking it at face value.
What are you even getting at here? I’m going to assume you deleted at least a few sentences that were supposed to come before this.
4th. His original post was that Rex wasn’t doing that bad and shouldn’t be benched.
Except I wasn’t replying to the original post, I was replying to a comment. They handle 2 different subjects, one being defensive proficiency and the other being Rex Grossman, so stop combining the two together, it’ pissing me off. The topics are related but they don’t HAVE to go together.
5th. If you are going to take numbers at less than face value then as every on who knows anything about football will tell you, you have to do it for everyone. As my Grandpa would say "good for the goose, good for the gander."
Again, what? I removed the game against the packers from the teams that played the packers and removed the games against the Redskins for the defenses that played the Redskins and compared the stats. The result was that teams that played the Redskins got worse while teams that played the Packers got better. It’s a very simple, effective way of measuring the truthfulness of a particular stat, and I frankly don’t understand how you don’t get that.
6th. I don’t take all stats at face value. Only an idiot would do that with any aspect of this world. For all I know you are 12 years old living in your parents basement. But I will still give you respect which you should do with others as well.
First of all, 12 year olds typically live/seep in their bedrooms, not their parent’s basement. That’s for bums who haven’t had a job in 3 years and can’t afford their own stuff. Second, I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make here, or why you felt the need to say it at all. If you think this is disrespect, I have some bad news for you bud, because it can get a whole lot worse.
7th. And this is the best one. You and Tiller actually think the rest of us want Rex as our QB. PPSSSSTTT here’s the seceret; WE DON’T. But we don’t have anyone better. You people act like the Shanahans are in their office laughing about how hilarious it is that Grossman is starting while we have an allpro warming the bench. WE DON’T . Beck was an average college quarterback in a mediocre conference.
I have not said one single time that Grossman should be benched. I’ve supported him ever since he was named the starter of this football team. You are applying an attribute to me that doesn’t exist, a logical fallacy in which I will have no part. “You people” doesn’t exist.
Green bay averages 37 pts per game. Redskins average only 21 pts per game. Green bay is ranked #1 in the nfl we are ranked #21.
These stat lines are crazy that people keep posting. It is amazing you never look at the ones that really count. We can not score against teams that have banged up defenses. This will be our down fall one way or another. B.O.B. Bring on Beck!!!!!!!!!!
by LETJASONPASS on Oct 6, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
LJP is right
We haven’t yet been tested on defense. The best test was against Dallas, and we lost the game due in part to a Rex fumble. The Eagles are a shitty run defense, but their secondary is no joke. Lets hold some reserve until we see Rex play against a decent D.
As of right now, I’m with LJP. Rex has played below average, and this has come against below average, or banged-up defenses.
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I see what you did there haha.
LJP is right
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Oct 6, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Posts like this are stupid
If you knew anything about our season so far, you’ll understand that it is our defense that led us to 3-1; not the offense and Rex Grossman.
Without the great play so far from our defense, we are a 1-3 football team.
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Let's nit get carried away here.
We are one of the league leaders in time of possession. Last I checked, the defense has nothing to do with that. Our running game is not even top half of the league in YPC. That means somebody is moving the chains. Rex clearly stinks. So there must be some other explanation.
I think I have it. We have am invisible 2nd QB on the team who makes all of Rex’s good throws. Rex only makes the bad ones.
by horatius on Oct 6, 2011 7:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Here we go
yet another fan making excuses for Rex. Open your eyes here. We have won in spite of his mistakes, not because of his good play.
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Except for the Giants & Cards game (I know he had one bad mistake but he also moved the ball up and down the field and made great drives in the 4th quarter). I doubt we win either game with Beck. Of course Grossman is going to have to play better than he did in the Cowboys or Rams game for the success to continue but he moves the offense far better than McNabb (king of the 3 & out turnover). I don’t think this is a playoff team and Grossman is a big reason but he still gives them the best chance right now.
Where are all these GREAT QB's in the NFC East?
Romo is getting crucified.
Vick can be brilliant, he can be watching from the sidelines injured, and he himself can be a turnover machine.
Eli is playing pretty well lately be he’s inconsistent.
Rex and Eli had extremely similar stats after almost the same number of games played in their careers
They absolutely can make the playoffs with Rex.
There’s no Tom Brady or Peyton Manning QB’ing in the NFC East
I wasn’t saying they can’t make the playoffs with Rex. I think it won’t happen even though the offense is improved compared to last year. Rex certainly gives us the best chance, but I don’t think its a very good chance.
This is the question I keep asking people.....
How do you KNOW Rex gives us the best chance? Have you seen back in a regular season game, with a real NFL calibur team? Don’t worrr, I haven’t either. So the answer would prob be, we just don’t know. Maybe he(Beck) could give us a better shot, or maybe he’ll flop(again), but to say Rex(who is pedestrian at best) gives us the best shot, over someone we have barely seen play, is simply hyperbole.
I don’t believe Beck is the long-term answer, but I do believe, if Rex continues to be a turn-over machine, that he deserves at least a shot.
We wouldn’t even be having this conversation if Rex were playing above the NFL average, or we haven’t been in nearly a 20 year QB drought.
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We know because Grossman was clearly better in the preseason. Is it 100% sure? Of course not but its a far better indicator than just believing Beck couldn’t be this bad…
This is false
If this was true, Shanny would have named Rex the starter after the 3rd preseason game. You know just as well as I do, that the QB competition came right down to the wire. I’ll even argue that Beck, taking into account the groin injury, outplayed Rex throughout the preseason.
I believe Kyle really wanted Rex to run his offense, and the old man was torn between the two.
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No, posts like this are NOT stupid.
read my response above.
You simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND the game of football.
Few teams have Hall of Fame QB’s, though I honestly believe that you think the other 31 teams besides the Redskins do.
When did I ever imply this
and why do you continue to insult and attack my knowledge of the game?
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Imply What?
One headline of yours states: “Posts like this are stupid.”
That’s a direct insult. And my post wasn’t stupid. In fact I’m pretty sure nobody anywhere has pointed out that Tom Brady has more interceptions than THREE 0-4 teams combined.
Another headline of yours states: “Do you really believe that Rex is the reason we are 3-1?”
Since I never SAID that, your comment IMPLIES that I meant that. I never said or meant that. Never ever.
Are you referring to my comment stating that you (like many others) think the other 31 teams have HOF QB’s? And that Rex sucks.
Yes. I believe many fans think their QB sucks and the other teams all have studs there.
Unless your QB is Tom Brady, Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers and a few others, most fans think their QB sucks because he’s not Tom Brady or Peyton manning or Drew Brees, etc.
Herm Edwards was on First Take this morning talking about how it’s a TEAM game.
Referring to SB victories he said:
“We always say the QB won three SB’s or two SB’s. Last time I checked, the TEAM won
We overemphasize the QB, it’s about the football team. This is a team sport.”
That’s all I’ve ever said or meant.
I will just say this.
The year Rex went to the Superbowl. they went because they had a good running game and an awesome defense. Remind you of anyone? No I’m not saying we are Superbowl bound. What I am saying is that This D will keep us in games. It doesn’t matter if Rex throws 2 picks a game. What will matter is if our D cant pick off 3 of their passes. Its winning the turnover battle. Remember battles always have 2 sides.
Well
I don’t know if you are criticizing Rex here or not.
Rex was the NFC OFFENSIVE player of the month for September that season.
They didn’t name him that for his ability to hand the football off.
His passing ability had a LOT to do with stretching the field which helps open up the running game.
Rex had six or seven games that season with a passer rating of over 100 to go along with a handful of dreadful games.
Besides that, the single BIGGEST reason they went that far that season was Devin Hester.
I will only point out...
Meanwhile, Tom Brady has FIVE Interceptions. That’s MORE than the ENTIRE total for the Colts, Rams and Vikings this season. One more than Kerry Collins, Curtis Painter, Sam Bradford, A.J. Feely and Mr. McNabb COMBINED!
Brady is throwing for like 500 yards a game and winning while his D is giving up about the same yardage. He’s also a multi-year Pro Bowler, Super Bowl MVP and humping a super model. Rex on the other hand has made a career out of turnovers which has resulted in him being a perennial backup except for the ONE year his DEFENSE carried him to a Super Bowl…which he lost. Haven’t seen if his wife is anything near Brady’s.
Apparently you, just like Tiller56 have trouble comprehending.
The original poster tallied up Rex’s giveaways and then compared that negatively to even Romo and Vick to discredit Rex.
MY only point was this: Counting Rex’s giveaways means almost NOTHING!
Get it?
He’s got the same as Pro-Bowlers Rivers & Ryan. LESS than Big Ben. That ‘number’ mean almost nothing.
You are, of course, HELPING me prove my point.
The GREAT Tom Brady has MORE interceptions than THREE 0-4 teams.
Does that mean the QB’s of those 0-4 teams are BETTER than Brady?
Of COURSE not!
It just means what I stated in my post:
COUNTING a QB’s giveaways after FOUR games in the season and trying to make a value judgement is NONSENSE.
Get it? Hopefully and others like Tiller will by this point.
Tom Brady
had 4 interceptions in one game, and they lost that game, so stop using him as your argument.
I think what we need to do is calculate interceptions per attempt/yards completed. That would give us a better metric.
by orakpophobia on Oct 6, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, my point is missed
My post was in response to a previous post.
That post used Rex’s giveaways to disparage and criticize him.
MY post, using facts and figures (and yes, we all know Brady threw 4 against the Bills is a losing cause) shows that the number of QB giveaways, after four weeks, is essentially meaningless.
If one uses that criteria to disparage Rex, then that same criteria MUST be used to criticize Pro-Bowlers like Rivers, Ryan, Big Ben and others.
i have no problem disparaging the other qbs
I don’t know about Rivers, but Matt Ryan and Big Ben have been stinkin’ it up this year too. A big reason why the Falcons and Steelers are really underwhelming this season. Rex has been a very good qb thus far, but turnovers are a big issue, and he needs to limit them. I agree that maybe some people are taking his turnovers out of hand (especially since at least 2 of them really weren’t his fault at all), but I wouldn’t call them meaningless.
by orakpophobia on Oct 6, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't calling the turnovers meaningless
I was calling the ‘turnover’ comparison, after four games, MEANINGLESS.
Alex Smith has ONE Interception. Tom Brady FIVE .
Can’t really use these numbers, like the original poster did.
Like I said, THREE 0-4 teams have LESS INT’s combined than does Tom Brady.
You’d think that teams that are a combined 0-12 would have more than FOUR total INT"s. Right?
The average Interception total in the NFL so far is 4 Interceptions
Rex has ONE more interception than the league average right now. Big deal.
People go crazy over turnovers.
They are part of the game.
ALL teams have them.
Yes, it’s good to limit them. But at what cost?
Alex Smith has ONE interception cause they hardly let him throw the ball downfield.
Tom Brady has FIVE interceptions.
Brady has thrown for 1,539 yards.
A. Smith? 710. Less than HALF.
I’d rather have Brady and his yardage and his 5 INT’s than Alex Smith, his yardage and his ONE Interception.
People go CRAZY over turnovers. There’s a whole lot more to winning and losing in the NFL than just looking at those number alone.
Have you checked the passing attempts for those teams
or the Time of Possession? If a team’s offense is on the field less because their Defense sucks or they can’t move the ball on Offense they’re going to have less time to turn the ball over, and if their QB has significantly fewer attempts it logically follows that they will throw fewer INTs. Context, context, context.
Now wait a minute..
COUNTING a QB’s giveaways after FOUR games in the season and trying to make a value judgement is NONSENSE.
Get it? Hopefully and others like Tiller will by this point.
A team that’s trying to dig itself out of a decade long losing hole with constant change in offensive systems can hardly afford to continually turn the ball over. Turnovers breed losses, something we’re well acquainted with. Go back and look at the turnover ratio of the Redskins for the past decade. I’ll wager they’re on the wrong side of the stick for the majority of time. Even with the “Top 10” defense we had under Williams we didn’t really excel in being on the plus side. Grossman was brought here to be the BACKUP….something he’s been for practically his whole career. He’s been a turnover machine for nine years. He’s lost half as many fumbles as he has interceptions. Go look it up. Considering that the number puts him in the >65 number of turnovers for a nine year career where he’s spent maybe half (being generous) those nine years actually on the field, figure out how many turnovers he makes per minute played since you’re so far into statistics. Stats are for losers. Obviously I an NOT a fan of Train Rex. Is Beck better. Maybe not but we KNOW what Rex is. And the one thing I want from the guys handling the rock is to hang on to it and not give it away.
by DudleyDoright on Oct 6, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Your numbers make no sense and are incorrect
He’s played in 45 games. He has 45 Interceptions and 25 fumbles. That fumble number includes both fumbles lost and fumble recovered.
By comparison, Eli Manning, after his first 45 games, had 46 interceptions and 22 fumbles.
Almost the EXACT SAME NUMBERS!
Tom Brady?
After 47 games, he had 38 Interceptions and 36 Fumbles.
Those are the real numbers.
You guys make it sound like Rex is a turnover machine and these other QB’s rarely do it too.
That’s ridiculous.
This statement makes no sense too:
Grossman was brought here to be the BACKUP….something he’s been for practically his whole career.
He was drafted to be the starter in Chicago which he was in his second season, 2004. Unfortunately he injured himself early on and had to miss the rest of that season.
He missed all of 2005 when he broke his ankle in the preseason.
He started all 16 games in 2006.
You guys make it sound like Rex is a turnover machine and these other QB’s rarely do it too.
That’s ridiculous
Career numbers(TD vs INT’s):
(These are the top half of QB’s in the NFL)
Manning – 399 TD’s 198 INT’s
Brady – 274 TD’s 108 INT’s
Rogers – 99 TD’s 34 INT’s
Brees – 245 TD’s 136 INT’s
Rivers – 141 TD’s 64 INT’s
Big Ben – 147 TD’s 91 INT’s
Vick – 99 TD’s 61 INT’s
Romo – 125 TD’s 67 INT’s
Schaub – 90 TD’s 55 INT’s
McNabb – 234 TD’s 117 INT’s
E Manning – 164 TD’s 115 INT’s
Hasslebeck – 184 TD’s 131 TD’s
Ryan – 72 TD’s 38 INT’s
Flacco – 67 TD’s 37 INT’s
Freeman – 38 TD’s 28 INT’s
Cutler – 109 TD’s 83 INT’s
Now, lets take a look at Rex Grossman:
Grossman – 46 TD’s 45 INT’s
Dude, it’s not even close.
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anyone notice that rogers has almost a #:1 Td to int ratio?
to me a decent qb has at least 2:1 almost everyone on this list is hovering around 2:1 except rogers
My numbers are correct
Go look again. In his nine year career:
Since 2003 he’s started only 34 games to today.
Since 2003 he’s only played in 45 of a possible 128 games.
Since 2003 he’s put the ball on the ground 25 times.
Since 2003 he’s had 45 interceptions.
Since 2003 he’s had 69 turnovers in 45 games. A fumble is a fumble. The ball in on the ground available to the defense as well. Whether he lost it or not is sort of irrelevant.
He’s not the QB that Brady is. Brady has played in 149 of possible 192 games in his career…four times as many. He’s not even Eli. Eli has played in 109 of a possible 128 games…2.8 times as many. You’re comparing apples to oranges. He was a winner in college. He’s not been a winner in the NFL. He’s a backup. You’re just too blinded by your own slanted statistics to see it. As I said I want the guy handling the ball to hang on to it and not give it away. That’s not Rex.
by DudleyDoright on Oct 7, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey look a Rex Grossman post!
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Tiller can you do a run down of QB prospects in the first 2 rounds we may take?
I’d really like to get the fans feedback on that, but unfortunately I haven’t had time to watch much College FB outside the Luck, Jones, and Barkley prospects it gets a little too blurry.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
Sure
I’ll try and get one out over the weekend
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Tiller, real quick before that piece...
You seem to be quite knowledgeable on the college game, and I was curious to get your opinion on one player in particular: Griffin, the QB from Baylor. You think he can make it as a QB in the NFL. His numbers are video-game insane, but that doesn’t always translate. Thoughts?
Yeah
A lot of people have been asking me about him recently.
I believe he is a very talented QB, but, IMO, I think he stays another year at Baylor. Here are my reasons for thinking so: 1.) He doesn’t want to be labled as a one hit wonder. 2.) The potential QB’s in the 2012 draft class are pretty solid, meaning Griffin, with his resume, could end up being the 4th or 5th QB taken, while if he waits for one more year, and has another strong showing, he could vault himself to #1 or #2 in 2013. 3.) Baylor isn’t exactly a football powerhouse, and the scouts may diminish his accomplishments slightly because of this
Overall, I think he has good field vision, excellent mechanics, good accuracy, and a notch-below elite arm strength. Combine that with his athleticism, and he is a very dangerous weapon. I also love his football IQ and leadership.
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I need to see more before I answer that
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Here's the deal
I’m a huge Rex supporter everyone knows that. It comes down to this. Rex needs to shut the critics up his next couple games and this issue will go away. If he struggles and we start losing a change will be made. Simple as this. Everyone needs to just chill out and let it play out
I am NOT
a Rex supporter, but I agree with you. The fact is, this issue will NEVER go away until HE makes it go away. Pulling numbers out of a hat and making a collage of them is pointless. You can argue 100 different points using the same set of numbers.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Oct 8, 2011 5:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just today on Yahoo they had a clip analyzing three teams that have been doing well
and asking if they will keep winning. Jason Cole took the Skins. He had a lot of good things to say, but ended up saying that we would ultimately fall short because of Rex – his turnovers would finally do us in. He could be right, but there is also a chance that Rex will cut down on the mistakes and we will breeze into the playoffs.
One poster who watched the Bears closely in their SB year said that Rex mostly played very well, but had a couple of terrible games. In short, it appears that Rex can be good enough (i.e., has the ability), but has a history of the occasional, disastrous game. That is enough to make fans and coaches nervous.
One thing to watch: twice now he has failed to see a linebacker who could cut in front of his receiver. Rex should program his brain to never, ever let that happen again – he should always know where the defenders are. No more excuses.
Comparing only interceptions is ridiculous
Okay, so Rex is similar in total INT’s to some good QB’s. He’s not similar to them in any other category. Look at t/o’s per attempt, and he’s much worse. Look at total yards, he’s much worse. Look at TD passes, he doesn’t compare. And he’s getting worse every week. He completed one pass in the fourth quarter last week. One.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 6, 2011 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Thank you for saying
What everyone else was trying to say.
I’m gaining a lot of respect for you lately!
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Right
And that’s EXACTLY what I said and have been saying.
Thank you.
The OP started off with that comparison (giveaways) and used it to start ripping into Rex.
That’s nonsense.
Now, this from you:
He’s not similar to them in any other category.
Umm:
TD’S? Rex is exactly at the league average, which is 6.
TD %? Again, Rex is exactly at the league average, which is 4.3.
INT’s? Rex is ONE above the league average of 4.
Yards per Completion? Rex is right at the league average of 12.
Total Yards? Rex is 65 yards short of the league average, which is 982. Of course, Mike Shanahan emphasizes the running game, which is going to hinder the passing yards.
Conclusion? In many passing elements, Rex is right around the league average.
Let’s look at TD’s, where you say he DOESN’T compare:
Rex has MORE TD’s than:
Phillip Rivers.
Big Ben.
Kevin Kolb.
Josh Freeman.
Jason Campbell.
Jay Cutler.
Among others.
The SAME as:
Michael Vick.
Matt Ryan.
Mark Sanchez.
Colt McCoy.
Only FOUR QB’s are in double digits here:
Brady: 13
Brees: 10
Rodgers: 12
Stafford: 11
So no, he’s not near those guys. He’s near almost everybody else. Exactly at the league average.
Yet, TO YOU, he DOESN’T COMPARE!
Say what?
That, my friend, makes no sense.
Sorry.
Why don't you look at his career TD's vs INT's(this would be the best way when comparing him to the rest of the league)
I’ll copy and paste from above.
Career numbers(TD vs INT’s):
(These are the top half of QB’s in the NFL)
Manning – 399 TD’s 198 INT’s
Brady – 274 TD’s 108 INT’s
Rogers – 99 TD’s 34 INT’s
Brees – 245 TD’s 136 INT’s
Rivers – 141 TD’s 64 INT’s
Big Ben – 147 TD’s 91 INT’s
Vick – 99 TD’s 61 INT’s
Romo – 125 TD’s 67 INT’s
Schaub – 90 TD’s 55 INT’s
McNabb – 234 TD’s 117 INT’s
E Manning – 164 TD’s 115 INT’s
Hasslebeck – 184 TD’s 131 TD’s
Ryan – 72 TD’s 38 INT’s
Flacco – 67 TD’s 37 INT’s
Freeman – 38 TD’s 28 INT’s
Cutler – 109 TD’s 83 INT’s
Now, lets take a look at Rex Grossman:
Grossman – 46 TD’s 45 INT’s
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He is still our best option. I don’t even know what we are arguing. People are crazy who think Beck would be better right now. People are even crazier if they think the Skins would be better with McNabb. The craziest people are the ones who think Grossman is some sort of a long term solution. Rex is the best Skins QB right now until the Skins draft next year. Enjoy the ride and see where it takes us. We have a chance with Rex (not a great one), but its a chance.
GRANTED
Our team is looking alot better on defense but after our bi week it will start falling apart . We will be lucky if we win 2 more games . we wil be in some close games but in the end the offense will sputter as usual . Dont get your hopes up just yet one more year and i think our team will be ready to compete but not this year .
hahahaha
we have 12 games to go against mostly beatable teams and you don’t even think we’ll win 2 of them. Come on man, get real.
16,17
those are the point totals for the last 2 games where the Skins are 1 and 1. The fact is, only 3 teams scored fewer points in the NFC than the Skins. That is not very encouraging. And how many times can the team turn the ball over and put the other team on the skins 30 and expect the defense to hold? The team gives away 7 points and with the offense the way it is, that can lose the game. Grossman can’t get the ball down the field like Manning or Vick or Romo. Right now the Skins have the best defense in the East and the worst QB in the East. So its a good idea to have the best running game in the East.
So what if they scored 16 & 17 points in their last two games.
Kevin Kolb and the Arizona Cardinals scored 10 & 27 the last two games.
BOTH losses.
The Cards traded a Pro Bowl DB and a 2nd round draft choice for Kolb.
Think they’re happy right now with the offense in Arizona?
This statement makes no sense:
Grossman can’t get the ball down the field like Manning or Vick or Romo.
His arm is as strong as Romo’s or Eli’s. Vick’s arm strength is greater than all of the others.
The Cards traded a Pro Bowl DB and a 2nd round draft choice for Kolb.
Think they’re happy right now with the offense in Arizona?
He’s never been in this offense until this year, and the shortened offseason didn’t help.
Grossman can’t get the ball down the field like Manning or Vick or Romo.
I hope this is a joke. Grossman has no where near the arm strength as these two. His arm strength is bottom 10 in the NFL without a doubt.
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In and of itself
Arm strength is vastly overrated in the NFL.
Joe Montana, who many (not me) consider to be the greatest QB ever had average arm strength.
Accuracy and decision making are the two most important qualities for an NFL QB.
That said, here’s a Sporting News scouting report on Rex.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/tracker/player?id=7028
Has a good — not great — arm and throws an extremely catchable ball,
especially deep
I’ve watched far more games by Rex than have you. His arm strength and ability to get the ball downfield are more than enough to succeed in the NFL.
In 2006, the year the Bears went to the SB, Rex kicked off that season by throwing a 49 yard TD to Bernard Berrian in the 1st quarter of their opening game against GB.
1st quarter of the 1st game: 49 yard TD pass by Rex. 7-0 Bears.
After five games the Bears were 5-0 that year.
Rex had thrown 10 TD’s to only 3 INT’s.
He averaged 257 yards passing in those five games (the league average that season was 204).
Rex’s passing skills were a huge reason the Bears were undefeated at the beginning of that year.
Your repeated attempts to discredit Rex are laughable.
Bottom 10 arm strength? That’s a joke, my friend.
To understand why you have NO credibility when it comes to Rex, go to the post above this "Anyone Else Notice . . . " and read my LONG response to another Rex basher (I believe it’s Steveo?). He, like you, also has no credibility in this area, as I easily point out to him.
Read my response to him as it also applies directly to you.
If you have an INTELLIGENT comment to make regarding my response, you know where to find me.
Prior to the start of this season, Rex had played in only four games for the Redskins.
You, like many others, were bashing Rex based on those four games as well as his national reputation.
That’s it. You saw Rex play FOUR games before 2011. Maybe a few more with the Bears and have used that SMALL sample size to rip the guy.
I however, have watched almost FORTY games by Rex. Almost TEN TIMES the amount by guys like you.
Rex, like everyone else in life, is open to criticism. IF, it’s accurate and fair. That’s the problem with you guys. You have NO credibility because your criticisms, for the most part, are neither accurate or fair.
Why don't you go back to the Bears board.............................Troll
oh, I forgot, your banned.
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I am here to support Rex
I’ve said NOTHING negative about Rex or the Redskins, have I?
Thus, I’m anything but a troll.
Wrong again.
Yes, I’ve been banned many times.
NOT for insulting people, however.
Almost always I’m the one being insulted. Like you did after you called a recent post of mine stupid.
No, usually I get banned because I trip people up when they make weak or ignorant claims . . . and then they get frustrated.
And cause they can’t take it when their nonsense has been exposed by me, they have me banned.
You have EVERY right to criticize and to rip Rex Grossman.
You do need to be accurate and fair in doing so, however.
If you notice I’ve never once said anything about Rex being a ‘great’ QB or anything like that. I’ve never made a public value judgement on him.
Based on stats and facts ad figures, I have compared him favorably to a guy like Eli Manning. Things like that. I said that a few years ago Eli signed the largest contract in NFL history. And Rex was unemployed. And yet if you look at their stats after a similar number of games (40+) they are almost identical.
Or have tried to show that this idea that Rex was a crappy QB in Chicago who was nonsense. In 2005, the year before Rex and the Bears went to the SB, Grossman was injured in the second game and lost for the season.
Kyle Orton (another good, not great QB) replaced Rex and the Bears went 11-5.
If Rex was so CRAPPY like you and others imply in 2006, don’t you think Lovie Smith woud’ve pulled him and replaced him with Orton? It’s not like he didn’t have any options.
The simple FACT is that Rex played very well in 2006 for the Bears and had a lot to do with their success that season. That’s with the understanding that he did have a FEW horrible games that season too.
Unfortunately the (mistaken) public perception of Rex is ALL about those few terrible games and almost NOTHING about the majority of games he played that year.
Only Steve Bartman, in recent years, was treated worse in Chicago than was Rex.
And that, of course, was ridiculous.
Why are you here if you are a Bears fan?
Rex has played four games this year. The first one was good. The second two were not good. And the last one was absolutely terrible. He’s been given tons of opportunities to prove himself. We know what he is. I’m not calling for Beck, but if Rex plays another couple of games like he has been, Beck will be getting his shot.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 7, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
week 1 and 2 were good. Week 3 ok. Week 4 he struggled but only 1 int was his fault but his completion % was way too low
by CommunistKevin on Oct 7, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If my math is right
One for five with two picks in the fourth.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 7, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't decide
If this guy is just a troll, or if he truly is as crazy as he seems. He sounds like he could be Rex Grossman’s drunk, asshole brother.
by MrQ on Oct 7, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think both
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To me, your the definition of a Troll
You have been banned by your favorite teams board for starting arguements, and insulting people. Now, you come over here(and I don’t know for what reason other than to start trouble), and continue to start arguements, and insult people.
Almost always I’m the one being insulted. Like you did after you called a recent post of mine stupid.
Please tell me how calling your post stupid is a personal insult to you? If I had said, “the person who wrote this post is an idiot”, then I can see your point, but that is not the case. If a comment like the one used offends you personally, you should either grow thicker skin, or stop blogging alltogether, because it happens often in the Wide Wonderful World of Blogging!
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Grossman
can’t pass the ball like Sammy Baugh. Sammy Baugh didn’t need no helmet and Sammy Baugh didn’t need no coordinator to call his plays. Sammy Baugh called his own plays and if you didn’t do what Sammy Baugh wanted you to do, he’d kick your behind from 1 ocean to the next.
by hambonejackson on Oct 7, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
you keep bringing up
2006 when talking about his arm strength. You said he threw a 49 yard touchdown in 2006. That was 5 years ago. He hasn’t done it since. Yes, I agree, he does throw a “catchable ball”…..to the flat. But he doesn’t have the zip to get it downfield anymore. Nor does he have the zip to get it in tight spaces, hence the two picks by the MLB in the last two games.
Like I said up top – I’m OK with not “piling on” Rex. It’s pointless by now. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t hold him accountable when he does something bad. And it CERTAINTLY doesn’t mean we should overstate his abilities. He’s an average QB. Period.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Oct 8, 2011 5:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually...
If you read the tenor of his posting he’s like an excitable kid who thinks he’s found something stupendous. He also writes like he’s constipated….pissed. There’s no reasoning with someone who cops an attitude like his so the best thing is just to refute his argument the best you can and then ignore his following rant. I’d assume if he was banned from other boards it’s because he can be and is at times so argumentative. Don’t know what his problem is and don’t care. There’s been a hell of a lot of rational comments made regarding Rex pro and con but he wants to stick to some short statistical period of Rex’s career to prove his value over almost a decade.
Guys let's calm down
Rex can end this argument by coming out of the bye playing good football. Which I really think he will. I believe that Rex has actually been much better than people are giving him credit for. And if he doesn’t and we start to lose he will be benched for beck. He gets criticized too much but i mean there is no point in arguing about this endlessly.
again, you're right
It’s up to HIM to silence the critics. And its OK to like the guy (not that I can tell you who to like or dislike, but hopefully you get my point)
But, lemme ask you, are you a believer in Rex as our LONG TERM solution, or do you just think he’s our best option right now? I’m just curious.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Oct 8, 2011 5:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no one is a believer in him as our future
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I would hope so
But, reading the comments of the people defending him, I get the feeling that, while most people realize he is a stopgap, there are a few who actually view him as not only a GOOD quarterback, but as a viable, multi-year starter.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
If your referring to GeoMak, then yes
but he’s a Bears fan, and clearly not a part of our community
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Yeah,
I gleaned that. But he ain’t the only one that gives me the creeps on this subject. CommyKevin here seems like he’s got his head screwed on right (despite his political preferences), but I can’t be completely sure. And some of the Florida fans I’m DEFINITELY not sure about.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Yeah that stuff is stupid but the people thinking Beck is a better option right now is dumb as well. Right now Grossman is clearly the best option. Its not a great or even good option but it is what it is. Maybe Beck will know the system better when he gets his shot, but I don’t think he will get that shot until the Skins are on the brink of elimination. This season’s success will ride on Grossman.
This is
Exactly how I feel.
Its not a great or even good option but it is what it is.
I keep telling myself I’m not gonna pile on Rex. I mean, it’s not like o hate the guy. So I try, I really do, to stay away from these discussions. But when people are making him out to be a legit, top 10-ish quarterback, I just can’t do it. Like I said, you wanna defend the guy? Fine. But don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s rain. Rain ain’t that warm, and Rex ain’t THAT good.
But he’s ours, so let’s ALL deal with EXACTLY what we have. And yeah, knowing that, if Beck does come in, it’s cuz the ship is sinking,
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Haha
you know im really into scouting qbs and at one point I thought Rex had a future and I was excited when he got an opportunity here to see what he could do. At this point I do not think he is a long term solution. He is a solid qb and would be a great backup and will make a good transition to who we draft. I sometimes defend him a little crazy but that is more of an annoyance of undue criticism. I am just sick of the sports media and sports fans in general literally changing their opinions minute to minute and the whole bandwagon effect. O
by CommunistKevin on Oct 8, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
not like anyone cares but he is from Indiana and so am I we are the same age so I knew of him in highschool and spurrier was my idol growing up and so I was following him in college and then I’m from an area about an hour from Chicago so I saw him play games there. It is weird but it seems like he just been a part of my sports experience through my life. Therefore the undue attachment sometimes
by CommunistKevin on Oct 8, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool
My wife’s from Indiana. Bedford. We go there every summer. We actually stay in Grossman’s “hometown” (Bloomington) with her sister. Prob’ly gonna move there in a coupla years.
Still doesn’t change my opinion of him.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Bloomington is beautiful
Great city. Well I hope his play can speak for itself and end the debate for this season. But to be honest even if he stringed together four great games and then has a dissapointing game in a loss. I would put money there would be large groups trying to jump all over him again
by CommunistKevin on Oct 9, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
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