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Ten Yard Fight: Don't Bogart the Rex

1. Rex Grossman, Rex Grossman, Rex Grossman...what's the big deal? Listen, Rex Grossman isn't some quarterback you spend a lot of time critiquing and analyzing. He is a drug you inject on Sundays and ride out. Sometimes it is good and sometimes it freaks you out. It is a hell of a rush either way. As long as we are awaiting the next Chosen One's arrival, I say we keep trotting out the Human Needle and mainlining the unpredictability.

2. I'll gladly wait another two weeks for Brandon Banks to break one. We could have used it in Dallas, but I will take it against the Eagles. I think that one of his best chances may have come on the kick he bobbled against the Rams.

3. Not only have we avoided the injury bug well, we have gotten back players who started the season hurt. Twelve weeks is a long stretch of games to endure after the bye. But my 10-6 preseason prediction was predicated on them collecting the bulk of their wins in a stretch coming out of this early bye. (And no...I did not have the Eagles game down as a W.)

Star-divide

4. I know the whole idea of using a second quarterback as a change-of-pace player for "special packages" (like the Wildcat) offends a lot of fans who believe that the starting quarterback shouldn't be pulled out of the game. Further, with most teams going with just two quarterbacks, having two different styles of quarterback could be problematic. But what if we somehow win enough games to put ourselves in the bottom half of the first round next season and become that team that is in position to take a chance on--or reach for--an athletic quarterback? This is the debate I found myself in recently and my take was: Sounds like a luxury pick. We are years away from affording such things. If Luck is the guy and the pick is for sale, I'm probably just asking whomever owns the pick to tell me what it will cost and then gladly pay it. If we find ourselves deep in the first round, we will be out of range of the elite quarterbacks in the draft anyway, so we might as well pay for the best.

5. All offseason we talked about how Lorenzo Alexander was going to crack the starting defensive lineup and beast out. Then we resigned Rocky McIntosh and Ryan Kerrigan turned out to be a rock star. But I'll tell you what--Lorenzo is beasting out on special teams.

6. I am worried that Kevin Barnes showed some things on film the last week or two that will cause defensive coordinators to target the crap out of him. 

7. How can we not talk incessantly about Ryan Kerrigan? I would much rather talk about his impact than the play of our quarterback. He has made big plays that have determined games. When you watch him work, he fights hard until the whistle. Is it time to start thinking about the possibility of having two 10+ sack guys on the same team for an extended period of time? I think on Monday Night Football they said that Freeney and Mathis have done it four times. Over/Under on how many years it takes Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan to tie that?

8. If your team sucks, the bye offers a brief respite from the weekly kick to the loins you endure from September to December. If your team is 3-1 going into the bye and many experts didn't even have you winning three games all season...you're doing all the kicking my friend. Don't count on a lot of--or any--attention this week to the burgundy and gold from the national media. They have no idea what to do with the Redskins. Have you noticed this yet? When the topic of what Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen and JIM HASLETT are doing in D.C. comes up, you would swear it was as if someone pantsed the media. It is not just the three wins (after all, it is just three wins.) It is the manner in which this team has taken the field for four straight weeks. It is like we know what we are doing and are coming damn close on a weekly basis to executing a legit gameplan. It is the way everything is pointing to an overriding, long-term strategy. And the talking heads are literally speechless. To be fair, they are wasting all their wonder and awe on the Detroit Lions...and rightfully so.

9. I would like to hear from some of the older readers--those who recall the teams from the 80's under Joe Gibbs. I was just a wee lad, but I remember those teams being impossible not to love. Let's not compare this team to those in an X's and O's fashion. Talk about how this team makes you feel relative to those Super Bowl teams. Is it just me or is the current iteration beginning to challenge those old teams in terms of lovability?

10. Okay...so last week I said that if we beat the Rams, we were legitimate contenders. At 3-1, with two wins against teams that won't challenge for the Super Bowl any time soon, we are a long way from laying claim to a playoff spot. But I will stick with what I said, with one caveat: we are legit contenders right now. Things change fast in the NFL. Teams that look good in the first quarter of the season sputter to the finish line every year. Teams that can't get out of their own way in September find themselves at or near the top of the heap by year's end. We all know that injuries are the biggest factor in this equation. And in the NFL, there are always injuries. Even if a team stays healthy, it faces the prospect of "getting figured out." Coordinators don't get paid millions of dollars to model Reebok apparel on the sidelines. For example, if your offense runs bootlegs all day, you will start to see a healthy of dose of corner blitzes from the edge (the Rams sprinkled a few of those in on Sunday with success.) Yes, we can claim to be a playoff contender today. But all that matters is that we are a playoff contender in December. And unfortunately, the reality is that the former does not guarantee the latter. Eat, drink, and be merry...for tomorrow we play the Jets and Patriots back-to-back.

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THIS is quality sports writing.

Well done.

1. Rex Grossman, Rex Grossman, Rex Grossman…what’s the big deal? Listen, Rex Grossman isn’t some quarterback you spend a lot of time critiquing and analyzing. He is a drug you inject on Sundays and ride out. Sometimes it is good and sometimes it freaks you out. It is a hell of a rush either way. As long as we are awaiting the next Chosen One’s arrival, I say we keep trotting out the Human Needle and mainlining the unpredictability.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Oct 4, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks...I think I might retire on this positive feedback.

if you need me, I’ll be watching the first quarter of the Pittsburgh Steelers preseason game on a loop in my basement.

by Ken Meringolo on Oct 4, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1 for the Human Needle.

although, technically, you also need a syringe, otherwise there is nothing to inject throught the needle.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 4, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit Rex Grossman

When life gives you potatoes, make potato salad.
When life gives you shit, make shit salad.

by 64ShagginWagon on Oct 4, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

What's that about Kevin Barnes?

By the way, Philip Buchanan is supposed to be back now. They should have to cut (or move to practice squad) somebody.

by Donnio1234 on Oct 4, 2011 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Barnes had a rough game Sunday.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Oct 4, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

How long?

Next year, when Jenkins comes back, and we’ve further solidified our team. Kerrigan will no longer be a rookie, and will come into his own.

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on Oct 4, 2011 10:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Speaking of bad QB's

I love the piling in Tony Romo!

"I don’t understand this guy," Sanders said, via the Dallas Morning News. "Just when you want to believe in him, heroic effort, came back against San Francisco, they said punctured lung and everything. And we praised him, we said, ‘Yeah, he’s that leader, he’s their guy.’ And then you come and do this. What are you thinking? Sooner or later we’ve just got to quit guessing and assuming that this guy’s is the guy to get you over the hump, and say, ‘You know what? This guy is always going to be great statistically, but he’s not that guy that can take you to where you want to go.’ And that’s the Super Bowl.

Geez, I mean….even Rex took a team to the Super Bowl!!! LMBO

by Copious 1 on Oct 4, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Number 6 is a point I've noticed aswell.

Barnes has done some nice things, but he’s also worried me on more plays than I’d like.

Follow me on Twitter: @UkRedskin1 feel free to give suggestions on what you'd like to see broken down each week.

by UkRedskin on Oct 4, 2011 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

The Skins of Old

The skins of old were not only good but also fun to watch and had characters you loved to identify with. We had the hogs, the fun bunch, just to name two.

Unfortunately the game is different today and probably not comparable to the days of old.
If we could bring back the collect high five celebration then maybe we can start comparing.

Meanwhile, it is good to see that we are going back to getting the right kind of players needed for building not only a good team but hopefully one that will dominate the division once again!

Go SKins!

by Fumbled Returns on Oct 4, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Sadly

the collective high five celebration would now be a 15 yard penalty for choreographed celebration.

by Jim America on Oct 4, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

This
If Luck is the guy and the pick is for sale, I’m probably just asking whomever owns the pick to tell me what it will cost and then gladly pay it. If we find ourselves deep in the first round, we will be out of range of the elite quarterbacks in the draft anyway, so we might as well pay for the best.

by jbh1190 on Oct 4, 2011 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Has anybody got any thoughts

On what price the 1st pick will be come the draft

by wuds100 on Oct 4, 2011 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That depends on who gets the pick and who wants the pick.

If a QB needy team gets the pick, its priceless. Nobody is giving up on the opportunity of Andrew Luck. But assuming say, the Rams or the Panthers get the 1st overall pick and are willing to trade it, it then depends on who wants to trade up for Luck, and from what spot. And that’s where it gets very complicated. Lets say the Dolphins, Chiefs, Broncos and Redskins all want to move up. Dolphins could have the 2nd overall pick and offer a 3rd rounder as compensation to move up 1 spot. The Redskins could have say the 15th pick, and offer their 2nd and next years 1st and 3rd. The Rams would have to decide if there is someone at number 2 they really want, or if they would be happy to move back to 15, pick up a load of extra picks but lose the chance on a really elite talent.

So, in short, nobody really knows until we know who has the 1st overall pick, and even then, its very complicated.

Follow me on Twitter: @UkRedskin1 feel free to give suggestions on what you'd like to see broken down each week.

by UkRedskin on Oct 4, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pick value chart

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

Gives you a rough idea, depending on where you think the Redskins end up. Unless you are one of the very bottom picks, you are talking about a Ricky Williams type trade with multiple first round picks and most to all of next years picks.

To get to #6 this year, Atlanta gave up 2 firsts, a second, and two fourths. #1 overall for a prospect like Luck would be substantially north of that. Maybe even 3 #1’s.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 4, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is precisely why it's such a bad idea

Assuming we stay at least a middling team this year he won’t be worth the price we’d probably have to pay.

I still think people advocating this aren’t thinking clearly about the real consequences of doing that. If the 1st ends up going to the Rams or a similarly situated team and the Redskins have a middle round pick a trade for Luck would set the Redskins rebuild back by years.

by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 4, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given how cheap rookie contracts are now...A LOT

Julio Jones trade was 2 firsts, 1 second, 2 fourths.

I imagine Luck would be Ricky Williams esque…at least 2 firsts and 2 seconds.

"It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear." - Norm Peterson


by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 4, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

think about it in these terms. Would it make sense to trade Trent Williams, Ryan Kerrigan, Jarvis Jenkins, plus another second rounder for Andrew Luck?

I don’t see how anyone can possibly say yes.

by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 4, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could say yes

I’d give up Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly in a heartbeat. Throw Carlos Rogers and another 1st in there as well.

by orakpophobia on Oct 4, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I probably would

Considering what we have in place at this point. Last year, I would have said no.

It’s a lot to give up, but Luck is considered can’t miss by every person with an opinion on the subject, and a lock to be a top 5 qb within 3-4 years. If you believe that, the question then becomes, would you trade those picks for an Aaron Rogers/Drew Brees level of player, who is only 22? Seems like a easy decision to me.

by MrQ on Oct 4, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

if we are at the end of the 1st Rd, i’ll take a RT Trebek…

"If you want money, go to the bank. If you want bread, go to the bakery. If you want goals, go to the net." - Brooks Laich

by bigity b on Oct 4, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

like like like

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Oct 4, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see the need for Andrew Luck.

This team is now built to run, protect the QB and play defense. I would much rather have another QB that won’t cost this team the future, or draft another offensive lineman or receiver.

"That's what she said!"

by iH8dallas on Oct 4, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Robert Griffin III

He seems like the real deal.

Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.

by TerpsAllTheWay on Oct 4, 2011 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Anyone want Carson Palmer?

not advocating, just asking the question.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 4, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

now or before the knee was blown? (thats me giving a sarcastic answer to the never ending ‘what if’ game)

"If you want money, go to the bank. If you want bread, go to the bakery. If you want goals, go to the net." - Brooks Laich

by bigity b on Oct 4, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

At least he can throw it over the line… That’s my biggest problem with Grossman.

by MrQ on Oct 4, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get it...

I am having a hard time understanding some people’s logic. Football is predicated on the QB. How much would we give for a Brady, Manning, or Rodgers? They are their teams. I love the reconstruction done this year and I believe the future of all the young guys is extremely bright. They have done enough this year that we can gamble on getting the next great QB, who would solve our most important need for the next 15 yrs, barring any serious injury. I, for one, would like to know what it feels like to have the confidence in a francise QB.

by jgibbsfan1 on Oct 4, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

uncertainty

If you knew you were getting Brady or Manning, then it might be a fair price. But you have about a 50% chance of getting Shuler, Leaf, or Russell. If you give up that much for one player, and they aren’t Manning, you have screwed your franchise, and have no draft picks to try to fix it. Who came out better in the Hershel Walker and Ricky Williams trades?

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 4, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

how do you ever know...

the selection of these player in college is predicated on a team’s evaluation and projection. How many teams had the opportunity to select Rodgers and are now regretting it immensely? Drafting is gambling. But, there are some players who are safer than others. He is the safest QB to project is a decade. WORTH THE GAMBLE!!!

by jgibbsfan1 on Oct 4, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me ask you

would you trade Trent Williams, Ryan Kerrigan, Jarvis Jenkins and a second and 3rd round pick for Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? I wouldn’t. That’s pretty much what it would cost, at minimum, to get Luck.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 4, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just made that same point above

and that’s literally what it would take.

by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 4, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa

hivemind. Didn’t even see that.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 4, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

let me get this straight...

you wouldn’t take Brady and play Willie Smith @ LT, Lorenzo @ OLB, another DL and some future draft picks who may or may not develop. Unbelievable. This is a no brainer. Guys like Brady/Manning/Rodgers elevate your teams and your other players. Given your scenario, I take the QB.

by jgibbsfan1 on Oct 4, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

you wouldn’t take Brady and play Willie Smith @ LT, Lorenzo @ OLB, another DL and some future draft picks who may or may not develop

Fuck no, are you out of your freaking mind? You’re going to advocate playing a Rookie undrafted free agent at the most improtant OL position, a jack of all trades (Master of none) at LOLB and a guy who promises to be simply dominant at the line of scrimmage as well as 2 more high-round talents for a single QB. No. Just no.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 4, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I am not advocating anything...

I am just responding to his fictional scenario. We are talking about the effect a player can have on a team. Would playing these other guys diminish our level of play, absolutely. But the increase we would gain with the addition to a franchise QB would greatly outweigh any loss we would have to take to play these guys this year. They could easily be replaced with FA or other draft picks.

by jgibbsfan1 on Oct 4, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

in reference to FA....

keep in mind, we are in great shape salary-cap wise.

by jgibbsfan1 on Oct 4, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you ever heard the phrase

“You’re putting all your eggs in one basket?”

that is what trading away all of those guys for a QB would be. ook at the colts. They are piss-poor at every position, but Manning has been holding them together for years. But they are the perfect example of why you can’t rely on only your QB; you MUST have good players at every position on the field. Since Manning showed up, the Colts have lost in the first round of the playoffs 7 times. They have won 9 games, including the 4 game super bowl run. That kind of inconsistency is what you can expect from a team that has nothing but a QB.

Meanwhile the Steelers built a strong D and a decent enough offense and went to the NFC championship game 5 times and went to the super bowl 3 times, winning twice.

You seem to think the QB is the end-all, be-all position. It is not. Each position is equal. You cannot win anything if your QB is never on the field, or he has nobody worthwhile to throw to, or no blockers to compensate. A QB is not a team. A team is a team, and if you think it’s a good idea to trade the entire foundation of a team in return for a QB, well, I’m just glad you’re not running this franchise.

Oh, and Aaron Rodgers was taken with the 24th pick in the draft. GB did not have to trade anything to get him. I would rather we take a QB that falls to us instead of mortgaging our future on a guy who may or may not be the next big thing.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 4, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

your point makes no sense...

the colts have had Manning for 15 yrs. They are “piss-poor at every position” due to the lack of drafting and developing over the years. Not that I believe that the Colts are such a horrible team, as Monday nights game against the Bucs demonstrated, even with an inexperienced Painter subbing for Manning. But while you are evaluating this team, you need to judge the whole 15 years. Their lack of talent cannot be attributed to the drafting of Manning. Nor have they been a team trading away their picks for older players or going after FA. Their disappointing team without Manning demonstrates how important these guys are. And every team that does not have one regrets not picking them and will do everthing to get one.

by jgibbsfan1 on Oct 5, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

by the way...

I believe we have built a solid foundation already, from our draft this year. This draft will go down as one of the best in organization history. To hit on so many picks, and for those picks to develop so quickly, it catapults this organization dramatically. Then, if you add a franchise QB, that is how you win championships.

by jgibbsfan1 on Oct 5, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Skins first four draft picks were split between offense and defense while the free agency

acquisitions were leaning toward the defense. The Skins 2012 draft will need to stress building the offense to make the Skins a more balanced team overall. The opportunity to use free agency to fill team deficiencies will not be as good in terms of numbers, but who can say at this point in terms of quality. The draft will determine the free agency focus. “The DeepBall” ‘s post did make sense in the issue of QB focus when the monetary aspect is considered. Too much of the team’s budget is spent on PM.

by Jefferson1935 on Oct 5, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

"promises to be dominant"...

Precisely my point. You are basing your assumption on one training camp reports and one preseason. Who knows how he will recover. Do I think JJ will be incredible, yes. I am just stating the cumulative value of these players.
Based on that one preseason, by the way, I thought Willie played great. Granted, against 2/3 level. I would like to see how he plays against top talent, since he has made the roster.

by jgibbsfan1 on Oct 4, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s also possible to bust on non-qb picks in the first and second rounds also.

by orakpophobia on Oct 4, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but the more picks you have the better your chance for success

I would rather have 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and 2 thirds then one Luck. What if Luck blew out his knee or some other career ending injury? Or what if he fell apart ala Russell, Leaf, Carr, etc. You just gave away your future for nothing.

Remeber Ricky Williams was supposed to be the next Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Tony Dorsett type. Ditka gave up a ton for the guy and he was decent but not all world.

For all we know Luck might really just want to travel the world and sample the weed.

When life gives you potatoes, make potato salad.
When life gives you shit, make shit salad.

by 64ShagginWagon on Oct 4, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not actually for mortgaging all our picks for Luck

but I am playing devil’s advocate.

I would say there’s an extremely high chance that Luck becomes elite, much like Peyton Manning. The alternative here is that we take a QB later in round 1 or in round 2, with a pretty small chance that they become elite. It’s possible we end up throwing that pick away altogether. And we may never get to taste what it feels like to have an elite qb ever.

by orakpophobia on Oct 4, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eventually we will.

Favre was playing for the Falcons before he got traded to Cheesetopia. The draft is not the only way to acquire someone who can truly help your team.

by Xin Baixiang on Oct 4, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

what do you remember from that draft...

Ditka traded with us. We benefitted with the selection of Champ (one of my all-time favorites). Do you remember anyone else from all those picks we stole? Did any of those picks help us, make us the team to beat? Did N.O. sink to the bottom of the league? When we look back, it probably didn’t hurt / help either franchise. Everyone needs to remember that the draft is a gamble all around.

by jgibbsfan1 on Oct 5, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely agree

& yes we would have some rough years at first (just as Indy did when they drafted Manning) but having one of the top QBs in the NFL for the next ten to twelve years is worth it. It is a risk but if you believe that Luck will have the same skill set as Brady or Manning then it is well worth it.

by ENsDad27 on Oct 4, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

+3

for the first round picks we’d have to give up. But I think he may be worth it….but its still scary to think of.

by jbh1190 on Oct 4, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem

is that look at how those teams fare when their star QB goes down. Manning down – colts are suddenly in the running for the #1 pick. I would wager that if Brady went down, the pats would lose a lot of games, because they wouldn’t be able to compensate for the points their defense gives up anymore. The Packers have built solid talent all around their team. If Rodgers goes down, their players can make up for the decrease in ability between Rodgers and Flynn.

The logic is that if the rest of your team is good enough, it doesn’t matter who your QB is, and it’s true. The same logic applies in that if your QB is really really good, it doesn’t matter who the rest of your team is. Personally I’d rather my team depend on 21 guys making up for one lackluster player than one really good player making up for 21 other guys, because if that one guy gets injured, your team falls apart (see: Colts, 2011).

Look at how well we’re doing with a lame duck of an offensive line, few real weapons at WR and Rex Grossman as our QB. Now imagine if we had the same QB next year, but had a star WR and an excellent, young Offensive line to pass block and consistently open large holes for our RBs to run through.

The 2000 Ravens come to mind. With Trent Dilfer as their QB, they won the Super Bowl. And that dude sucked. But the rest of their team, and especially their Defense, was able to pull through as a whole to win games. That’s the logic behind wanting to pass on a QB and continue to build.

Now, if we can get an elite QB without spending more than a first and 3rd round pick, fine, but otherwise we can grab a less polished guy in the second round and just continue to build our team from the bottom up. That will win games.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 4, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at their Defense then and now.

These days they’re giving up 25 points and 477 yards per game. In 2008 they were giving up just 19 points and 309 yards per game. That difference is huge. No matter what people say about the QB and the offense, Defense wins championships. It’s always been that way, and always will be.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 4, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's certainly true

but the point I was making was about QB play. You have a guy fit for the system, coached properly, and in a good culture with a lot of talent around him and he’s going to be good or at least good enough. My view has always been that the mythical franchise QB is more created than discovered. Yes there has to be a lot of raw talent but that in itself is never enough.

Both Brady and Cassel were very late draft picks. They were just developed properly. If either of them went to the Redskins I’d wager no one would even remember who they were by now.

by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 4, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

well why didn't you just say so
You have a guy fit for the system, coached properly, and in a good culture with a lot of talent around him and he’s going to be good or at least good enough

That sounds a lot like what I was saying, particularly the good enough part. I don’t think we’re really in disagreement here.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 4, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

No we definitely aren't

I was just clarifying what I meant in the previous post

by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 4, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last decade was Samuels and Jansen, two high picks at a premium position playing outstanding football and making us forget how hard it is to find quality tackles.

This decade, it’ll be Sackpo and Kerrigan doing the exact same thing at the outside linebacker position. The only difference is that both of them might make the pro bowl in the same year at least once, which Jansen was never able to do.

by Tromni on Oct 4, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I hate to say this....

but does anyone else think the offense has taken a step back since Cooley has been on the field more?

"That's what she said!"

by iH8dallas on Oct 4, 2011 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I think he's hiding his knee pain

He seems to walk gingerly after tackles but jogs through it. It’s still doesn’t look natural.

"It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear." - Norm Peterson


by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 4, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I love Cooley, but he shouldn’t be out there if he isn’t full speed. I’ve been thinking the same about Banks. BB doesn’t seem to have that explosion we are used to seeing, at least not over the last few games.

by willster on Oct 4, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teams are kicking away from Banks

They’re putting kickoffs into the corner essentially cutting the field in half. Punts are the same…angled to take away half the field. Harder to bust a big one.

by DudleyDoright on Oct 5, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's hard to blame that on Cooley.

We only had two games with Fred Davis.

Maybe it’s Cooley.
Maybe teams are covering Fred more.
Maybe the defenses we’ve played have given us other openings.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Oct 4, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

80s were AWESOME

This team has a long, long way to go to match the enjoyability, and lovability of those 80s teams. Just think of the large personalities (Manly, Clark, Riggo, Theismann) the solid, quiet production (Monk, Green, Sanders, Didier, Butz, Olkewicz) and, of course the unit that all the success was built on, The Hogs. They were consistent, fun to watch, and not only won, but did so in often dominating fashion, yet respectful to the game and their opponents. We are lucky to have seen that group perform.

This team is nice. Perhaps as nice as we’ve had in 20 years. But they have to be more than 3-1 to be in the discussion and they have to do it every year for 10+ years. Here’s hoping.

by 44ever on Oct 4, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

it may never happen again

it just feels like free agency was different in the 80s. charlie brown and art monk and gary clark and riggo and darryl—these guys all seemed like they were with the team forever. the 80s was the fun bunch and a bunch of guys who were characters the way chris cooley is.

i don’t think that works anymore—see portis, clinton—the game has gotten too slick compared to the way it was then.

but i am certainly enjoying the way this team is bonding.

speaing of the 80s, enjoy this story of how the fun bunch came about, and then watch this video of a couple of douchebag cowgirls trying to stop it.

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by zknower on Oct 5, 2011 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Comparisons to the 80's teams

aren’t at all warranted yet. Those teams had multiple HOF players in their primes. Sean Taylor was probably HOF had he lived. Orakkpo could develop, but isn’t close to that level now. Also, this team hasn’t shown anything yet. The first super bowl was a surprise team, but after that, you could tell before the year even started. After the Miami game, they were essentially expected to win, led the league in scoring, and lost to the raiders due to overconfidence. The second and third super bowl winners had both lost in the NFC championship the year before, so they were expected to win. Especially the 91 team, which could have gone undefeated except one bad day in Dallas.

This team isn’t all there yet, but you can see the path towards there. For the first time since Gibbs 1, there is more than hope, there is a realistic reason to expect some future success.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 4, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

80's team my take
I would like to hear from some of the older readers—those who recall the teams from the 80’s under Joe Gibbs. I was just a wee lad, but I remember those teams being impossible not to love. Let’s not compare this team to those in an X’s and O’s fashion. Talk about how this team makes you feel relative to those Super Bowl teams. Is it just me or is the current iteration beginning to challenge those old teams in terms of lovability?

A lot of great players but it was not the players as much as it was the system, remember 3 superbowls with 3 different QBs. Joe Gibbs established football which was considered Redskin’s football, players changed but the system remained and the results were achieved.

I see the same thing starting with the new Shanahan Redskins, some great players but it’s about the game planning and system players that build a team to produce a winner. A very very similar feeling to 80’s just a different type system, I’m getting excited about what the next 10 years bring with the Redskins!

by dr WNC on Oct 4, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Any guess on who will be the Odd man out

when CB Phillip Buchanon is activated?

…One of the cornerbacks or one of the WRs ? Maybe one of the Linebackers?

by Chilliewil on Oct 4, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

It probably should be Hankerson

but probably will be someone else because he would get picked up. My uninformed guess would be a WR, but it could be a DB. Either Stallworth or Brandyn (my parents are idiots) Thompson.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 4, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's no chance they give anyone

a chance to claim Hankerson off waivers. I’d expect Terrance Austin or Stallworth would be the casualty or maybe Mike Sellers has an outside chance if Young is back to health and they are comfortable with Cooley being the back up FB. This is, of course, assuming they want to keep Buchanon. Some reports out there suggest they might not.

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by UkRedskin on Oct 4, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It should absolutely not be Hankerson? Are you kidding me?

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by Parks Smith on Oct 4, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

If not for his draft position

and based solely on production, he’s a practice squad player. If he were a 7th round pick, you and I both know he isn’t on the 53 man roster.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 4, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a good thing for Rex

Or I think everyone would be hating on Hank. Not sure why people dislike this kid so much.

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by 64ShagginWagon on Oct 4, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

What dislike?

Just stating the truth. He’s listed on the depth chart as 7th or 8th WR, depending on how you compare him to banks. I’d say 8th because Banks actually plays special teams, while Hankerson is inactive. There isn’t another team in the league that carries an 8th receiver on the roster.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 4, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would wager...

Banks would go before Hankerson. Banks will never be anything more than a return man in this league, and we all know that you could get decent to good production out of any number of guys on this team (and depending upon the scenario, we could always throw Santana of DHall back there if we really wanted to roll the dice).

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by TerroristFistJab on Oct 4, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jake Locker and Christian Ponder haven't been really productive, should they be cut?

It’s a luxury we get to ease Hank along, no one should be calling for his head. Did you see Austin Pettis Sunday, you know the guy taken one spot ahead of Hank? You think he’s ready for the league?

It’s WEEK 5! Look at the 3rd Round this year and tell me which guys have been highly productive and which ones have been inactive. Maybe if he was a 7th round pick then he’d be on PS, but he’s not a 7th round pick b/c he is more talented than a 7th rounder and earned his pick in college.

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by Parks Smith on Oct 4, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

it’s still way too soon to give up on him.

by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 4, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Especially when no one has seen him play in over a month.

There are veterans in front of him right now, that will change over time and Hank will greatly benefit from it.

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by Parks Smith on Oct 4, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ponder and Locker

are the second or third best QB’s on their team. Hankerson can’t even get on the field among a very weak group of WR’s right now. He belongs on the practice squad, at best, but will stay on the team because of his draft pick, as did Thomas and Kelley before him. He has shown absolutely nothing to justify him being on the roster. All of the negative parts of his scouting report before the draft showed up in his preseason play. The team gave up on about 30 prospects at cut down day, but somehow Hankerson should be immune?

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 4, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still terrible logic.

Hankerson may very well be better than a number of our WRs, he’s just developing. Do you not think Ponder is better than McNabb right now or Gabbert was better than McCown? It’s Week 5, man.

Hankerson obviously made some mistakes this preseason, but he also had flashes of brilliance. Paul is playing b/c of his ST abilities, something that Hankerson lacks. Who do you think is more likely to be an active member of this team next year? Hankerson or Stallworth?

Many 3rd rounders have yet to be active yet. Some take time to mature. Obviously if we would of dropped Hank to the PS then he would of been snatched up by another squad in a heartbeat.

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by Parks Smith on Oct 4, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

He may develop into a starting WR

but who would you bet on him becoming at this point? Brandon Lloyd or Malcolm Kelley? All I’m saying is that if he wasn’t a high draft pick, he wouldn’t be on the team. How is that terrible logic? His scouting report was that he has bad hands and a lot of drops. Exactly what we saw in preseason. It’s a very bad sign that he isn’t even involved on special teams.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 4, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did a particular skillset and production in college warrant a 1st round pick?
It’s a very bad sign that he isn’t even involved on special teams.

Why? When do you see 6’3, lanky possession receivers on special teams?

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by Parks Smith on Oct 4, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, did you just forget about the whole lockout this year? And how it affected rookies?

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by Parks Smith on Oct 4, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hank will be god for us

Let him me the sleeping giant. when he comes in, no one will know a thing about him and he should blow up!!!

by brettpedigo on Oct 4, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

False

If he wasn’t a big physical receiver with hands the size of my feet, and an upside even bigger, he would be cut.

He’s not being kept on his draft spot. He’s being kept on his potential, which ironically enough is why he was drafted so high and why the line of teams to pick him up would be out the door.

Can’t believe that is even being thrown out on a guy with so much potential in a year with such a short offseason.

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by jellis113 on Oct 4, 2011 2:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

why does it seem like people just want to throw away our draft picks now?

did we all just gleam when we got 12 now people are saying cut a 3rd rounder who has yet to play?

by jbh1190 on Oct 4, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look what happened to Crabtree

He could have been a stud, but he wasn’t ready and he is a HUGE bust.

by brettpedigo on Oct 4, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You do realize he caught 6 touchdowns last year...

good enough for 3x as many as any Redskins player. Huge bust?

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by TerroristFistJab on Oct 4, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Over two years?

For reals? I thought everyone was up on the “it takes longer for wide outs to adjust” line of thinking.

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by TerroristFistJab on Oct 6, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

So...if he wasnt who he is....we should cut him?
If he wasn’t a big physical receiver with hands the size of my feet, and an upside even bigger, he would be cut.

Hail to 'Em

by SkinsaneAsylum on Oct 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nevermind

You are actually the one making sense…my apologies. Some of the crazies aka bandwagon fans have been emerging from the woodwork and putting on their armchair GM hats

Hail to 'Em

by SkinsaneAsylum on Oct 5, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with putting Hankerson in the PS

squad is that once we waive him, there are 31 other teams that has the opportunity to claim him…if he is not claimed, that is only when we can place him in the PS.

How do we not know that StL won’t pick him up (due their miserable WR corps) or Tenn (with Britt in the IR)…We would be taking a chance at someone improving their active roster WRs with claiming Hankerson.

If we all know he will be a Beast later on, that is a chance that cannot be had by another team.

by Chilliewil on Oct 4, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You say "very weak group of WRs..."?

You kidding us? Our WR group is quite good.

by Donnio1234 on Oct 4, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um, what?

Who of our WRs is above average?

Name one.

Moss is an average #1
Gaffney is an average #2
the rest are all average AT BEST.

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 5, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

You see what we all do....

The Megatrons of the world are changing the position and have swayed your standards for recieving. I woudl argue that Moss is most assuredly above average as a WR….but agree with you that as a pure #1, he is average due to his size and age. Gaffney is your typical #2 WR so I have no arguement there but i like what we get from him so why complain? AA is still only in his 2nd year getting playing time even though he is 28 or somthing like that. He will keep improving and as far as my eyes can tell, the dude can frickin’ fly down the field….he has ELITE speed and average hands….i rank him as most definitely above average as a #3……

if you keep going, stallworth is an above average #4/5 WR IMHO and the rest of the guys have upside due to age

Hail to 'Em

by SkinsaneAsylum on Oct 5, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

why do you say our WRs are weak?

true, we don’t have any Decepticons or AutoBots to split wide just yet…but we have plenty of micromachines!

On a serious note, i think we gave a strong TEAM of WRs that all compliment eachother well. You have the shifty, sure handed (even after last week) Moss that you can rely on…you have the slightly taller Gaffney that is a possession WR and can be counted on run precise routes and move the chains…..then you have the speedster AA who can take the top off the secondary, thus making it much easier for the before mentioned. Add in that we have a good supply of young, developing WRs and I don’t see your argument…

Hail to 'Em

by SkinsaneAsylum on Oct 5, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gaffney is an average possession WR

Moss is an average #1 WR

the other guys are average.

Our WRs are average.

It’s pretty straightforward.

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 7, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

it should be Banks. As electrifying as he was in pre-season, he’s starting to look like ARE except he’s a one trick pony with no tricks. Austin, Paul and Buchannon can do what he’s doing.

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by bigity b on Oct 4, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Anybody see the clip of Tony Romo seemingly giving the brushoff to Jerry Jones

after the Dallas loss? Seemingly didn’t want to talk to him. Tony must be feeling very secure in his job to be rude to a mercurial, billionaire boss. Small caveat – it’s possible that the clip was misleading – it wasn’t what it looked like.

by Donnio1234 on Oct 4, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

jerruh just down played it and said he was going around the sidelines trying to cheer people up…wasnt a brush off.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 4, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 80's teams

While I agree with some of what the earlier posters said my take is a little different. It wasn’t one thing with those teams it was everything. You had a great front office that you knew would bring in the right people, You had a coaching staff that had the team prepared every week., and of course you had a core group of (for the most part) lifelong Skins such as Monk, Green, Mann, Manley, Butz, The Hogs, etc. that you loved for the long term.

The excitement with this team is that we are starting down that path. After 1982 you had a confidence that we would go out and win. After 1987 it was expected we would be in contention for the Superbowl. Now the 1991 team was something else. They were Gods and you knew we were taking it that season.

It seems like we are getting ready to start down that path again. That’s what is great about this team.

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by 64ShagginWagon on Oct 4, 2011 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

My Take on this team vs the 80's Teams

There are three things that I think defined the Joe Gibbs teams of the 80’s:

First and foremost, was that the team was made up of high quality individuals that put team ahead of self. These were true team players, maybe not the most talented guys in the league but guys that were going to give it their all for the guy next to them in the trenches. It was always inspiring to see what 11 guys working together with a common goal could do.

My opinion is that Shanahan and Allen are getting these type of guys in here, Kerrigan is showing it on the field. London has been that guy for years, I think our entire D Line are these types of players. I think that it says a lot about a guy like Hightower, that when Shanny pulled him for Torain that he is not whining to the media about it. (Imagine what Portis’ reaction would have been.)

Second every week we as fans knew that there would be a well thought out game plan that gave us the opportunity to win every game. Gibbs, Pettibon, Buges et. al. would roll out a well considered and usually well executed game plan. Did it always work, no. Especially when we were playing Parcells. But we never were starting out ‘doomed,’ like we were under Zorn, Spurrier or even Gibbs 2.0.

Criticisms aside for a few play calls, I think that we have had competent game planning for ever game this season on both sides of the ball. Also for the most part we have done well executing the game plan. We have been in a position to win ever game this season, not just in the fourth quarter but starting when we walked onto the field. That had not been the case in years past.

Finally all of the Gibbs teams in the 80s had depth. This goes back to the first point to a certain extent. We did not have the most talented starters in the league so we certainly did not have the most talented depth in the league. But almost whenever someone got hurt we had someone that would come off the bench that was well prepared and was a team guy that could get it done.

Here is where I worry about this group. We are heading in the direction, but Shanny and Allen have barely had enough time to get the starting roster right let alone get the depth that we inevitably will need. We have not (knock on wood) been hit by the injury bug yet. But we all know that over the course of a 16 game season players are going to go down. Some areas, RB, WR, maybe even the secondary we have some viable depth options. But there are also places that I think that we are threadbare, (think OL). Developing depth will take time.

So in answer to the original question, I am not ready to break out the bandwagon yet, but this team is starting to feel like the Redskins of old. I think that have a shot at a decent season this year, but the real challenge will be to stay patient, stay the course and if we do, we will be in the NFL elite again for years to come.

HTTR and pass the Kool Aid!

by WestCoastHokie on Oct 4, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't have a basis for comparison...

I really started following the Redskins during the Gibbs 2.0 campaign. One of my best friends has always been a diehard Skins fan: his whole family has been, ever since they lived up in northern VA. He got me hooked on watching the Redskins.

So, in all the time I’ve been following the team, there has been controversy. We’ve had QB controversy. We’ve had ridiculous turnover in the front office. We’ve had malcontent after malcontent in the locker room. At no point (until this year) has this team gone about it’s business without some kind of black cloud hanging over it.

This year’s team has changed that. I see excited, motivated, hungry players each week giving their all. I hear players being team players, saying all the right things. This may not be a play-off contender yet, but it’s a team I can be damn proud to cheer for each week. And that means a lot more to me than our current record (which doesn’t hurt matters at all..)

by willster on Oct 4, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel sorry for you

And applaud you at the same time. Watching this team in the 80’s is what got me watching sports period. Sure, I liked watching basketball. But the Redskins brought out the passion in me for televised sports. And actually GOING to the games? At RFK? Forget it. I truly feel bad for any Skins fan who never got to experience the reason this franchise is so storied. It would be rough to root so hard for a team that you’ve never known to be successful, and I commend you for it. But, make no mistake, this current team has a long, LONG way to go before they can be MENTIONED in the same stratosphere with those glorious squads of the 80’s (and very early 90’s).

On another note, I just started following baseball. Never could get into it before, and I can’t even say it was a conscious decision. But my intrigue for what the Nationals have been doing these last two years has given me a brand new team to cheer for over the summers. And, hopefully, over into the falls starting next year.

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by CJHutch on Oct 5, 2011 2:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Let's not let nostalgia cloud the memory
First and foremost, was that the team was made up of high quality individuals that put team ahead of self.

John Riggins
Dexter Manley
Mark Mosely
Joe Thiesman
Jay Schroeder

Watch the “America’s Game” retrospective on the 87 team sometime. Bostic and Williams were both pissed off because they weren’t getting the playing time they wanted.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 4, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you completely Big Man

It is tough not to cloud it with nostalgia. The group that you bring were “individuals”. But I think that the rest of the locker room was strong enough to keep a lot of the egos in check.

I would love for this team to get to the point that we could have some super talented individuals on it. But we need to have the core group strong enough and entrenched in the locker room so that the divas would know that it was team first. Maybe a year or two down the road we will be set up in the locker room to handle some high priced free agents that may really be the one piece to get us over the top. (like the Patriots).

by WestCoastHokie on Oct 4, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Those were the days and I feel we’ll get back there soon.

HTTR!

by mkjo on Oct 4, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for the Andrew Luck sweepstakes...

Hard to believe but it looks like Indy will be in prime position to get Luck and their next franchise QB for another 15 years. I mean talk about a good year to totally suck….

by dwninit71 on Oct 4, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll be so mad.

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 4, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

why?

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by Parks Smith on Oct 4, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

so why does that make you mad?

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by Parks Smith on Oct 4, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

extreme jealousy at their luck

just like it was dumb when the Spurs got to draft Tim Robinson and were contenders for another 10 years.

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 4, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Robinson haha, brain fart

by travisjh86 on Oct 4, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

David Robinson, followed by Spock.

by Xin Baixiang on Oct 4, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 5, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

What sucks is I think we would all identify that our biggest piece to complete the next step

is having “that guy” at QB. This may be the draft we land him (no chance of Luck) but it’s looking like the way we do so is via trading up! I feel like the puzzle here is almost complete, but the piece that makes the face is missing from the box.

by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 4, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

well said

I don’t think we should go anywhere else other then qb or ol in round 1

by jbh1190 on Oct 4, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll wait a little longer for Banks, but

I feel as easily as he could take one back he might fumble 2 or 3 and he’s actually hurt us a few times on field position not getting to the 20 on a kickoff. I’m not sure how long they’ll stick with him.

by tjk on Oct 4, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

We have been Redskins fans for a long time...

You all don’t need me to extoll the virtues of a reality-eraser from time to time.

by Ken Meringolo on Oct 4, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

here, here

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Oct 4, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not being in position to get Luck...

…may still be good luck because then we could find a way to trade down, or just draft a solid Center.

by Xin Baixiang on Oct 4, 2011 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't know if any of you guys tuned in to Lavar an Dukes the last hour or so

but they’ve got some great stuff. Dukes was just going off on Tony Romo. Straight up ripping on the guy. It was great.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 4, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

usually don't like them

but they’ve been great lately even supporting grossman saying you can’t change a formula thats been creating wins.

also the cooley zone yesterday about cooley and ben gay was the funniest thing i’ve ever heard lavar say.

chad also mentioned on the radio that his penis is like a blistex cap…hard

by jbh1190 on Oct 4, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha yeah

and today they even said Tony Romo was “Rex Grossman on steroids”, i.e. more radical as far as the Good Tony/Bad Tony thing. so much fun to listen to.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 4, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Cooley wants to fight Romo in a cage

Hilarious. Cowboys fans are all up in arms about his comments too

by travisjh86 on Oct 4, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

GOOD

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 5, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then and now

I think one of the biggest differences between the 80’s and today (aside from the accurate comments above) is the 2nd half. Under Gibbs, it just seemed like we made great halftime adjustments. If we were down at halftime, I would be saying, “It’s ok, we’ll get them in the 2nd half.” If we lead at halftime, I felt so confident that the Hogs would pound them into submission in the 2nd half. It was rare and shocking when we gave up a lead to lose a game in the 80’s (except when playing Parcells, that fat bastard).

Today, every game seems to come down to the final 2 minutes. If we happen to be leading at halftime, I am still stressed and find myself saying, “I hope we can hold this lead for 2 more quarters.”

I feel good about what Shanny is doing, but this is not yet a team that comes out and dominates anyone, and we haven’t for a LONG time. When we start burying teams 30-10 or 28-7 then comparison can begin to be made in my opinion.

That, to me, the biggest difference between then and now.

by SkinsLifer on Oct 4, 2011 3:47 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This
It was rare and shocking when we gave up a lead to lose a game in the 80’s (except when playing Parcells, that fat bastard).

I absolutely hated Parcells and the Giants more than any other team. They would have won two more super bowls if not for Parcells. He was the only coach who could regularly win against Gibbs.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 4, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mark Bavaro

Hated that guy more than just about anyone on the Gmen. I think even more than LT. Dude always seemed to get big first right down the middle of the field. I remember my brother and I wanted to go find him and kneecap him.

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by 64ShagginWagon on Oct 4, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a Cowboys fan

the Redskins ability to close a game out was the most frustrating, ‘book it!’ thing you guys could hang your hat on.

Unbelievable ability in that regard.

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by KD Drummond on Oct 4, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by Parks Smith on Oct 4, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its not inevitable its just speculation on your part

and the last time we had a “Chosen One” as you put it in your first bullet, it was the 1930s during Slingin Sammy Baugh’s hey day. And for those of you who would argue Sonny Jurgenson was such a guy well I’ve never heard of a “Chosen One” ever splitting time with another QB like Sonny did with Billy Kilmer. And Theismann wasn’t a “Chosen One” he was just above average and solid for a very long time. Other than those guys it would be asinine to even suggest any other QB in Redskins history was even remotely close to being a “Chosen One”. I don’t think some people here understand how hard it is to actually find and develop a “Chosen One” or legit franchise QB to hold the fort for 10 years, and historically this team’s success has been built off of actually having a good all around TEAM and not some legendary QB at the helm masking deficiencies and carrying the team farther than the sum of its parts may suggest. It just pisses me off that people are talking of hitting the reset button on our QB situation and playing armchair GM in the middle of the season when we are 3-1 and riding high for the first time in a long time. Only fanbases of perennially shitty teams do this and if this is the level we have stooped to then I shake my head with disgust at all you fellow Skins fans who insist on discussing how we can trade half our team and a pony to get Luck or naively hope that Landry Jones will drop to us when we should be discussing what’s actually going on on the field because its the season right now and not March where we all scheme up how to “Win the offseason” after another disappointing season when this is the one god damn season where we actually look legit and aren’t saying fuck it here we go again midway through October. And please don’t take direct offense Ken this wasn’t aimed squarely at you I just had more to get off my chest and your comment just sparked a continuation of my above rant. No hard feelings on my end towards you.

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by Area 51 Forever on Oct 5, 2011 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

No offense taken

I just disagree that it is wrong to talk about what clearly appears to be a Long Term Plan. Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan appear to be looking beyond just one season, which previous management failed to do every year. That is a beautiful thing. Vinny and Danny set our expectations one year at a time with their nightmare moves. Now we actually have a front office with a long view and a roster with a chance to be good for years.
I think the good teams and their fanbases always keep an eye on the horizon.
As for the quarterback position, I do think it is inevitable we draft a “franchise” caliber player. I use the term “Chosen One” tongue in cheek, as we all understand the lottery ticket aspect of drafting these guys. I also think the inevitability of this led to Rex Grossman not signing a longer contract. Whomever they pick, he will have the world on his shoulders and he will be hard-pressed to exceed expectations as they will be set at the highest possible level imaginable.

I am not talking about the future selection of a quarterback as a means to ignore or discount the production of the team on the field. I am talking about it because it is very likely to be a step taken in the near future. Here’s hoping it is the right choice. I am putting out a post on this topic so I hope you will join in the debate—the topic being whether it is right or wrong to talk about offseason topics during the season.

P.S. Remember that labeling a guy the Chosen One does not mean they will be any good. In the NFL, it tends to be a title given to guys who could or should be good…not guys who have proven themselves in the league already.

by Ken Meringolo on Oct 5, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by HogNasty on Oct 4, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's my problem.

In order for someone to have my confidence, they have to not “Roller Coaster” me. I don’t believe in “Good Rex/Bad Rex” as much as I believe that he has confidence that exceeds his ability. This can be a good thing in many venues, and is almost essential for an NFL quarterback at times, but he tends to over reach and that causes me to shake my head and hope that we’re going to either squeeze that tendency out of him or find someone better.

by Xin Baixiang on Oct 4, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i.e. the roller coaster that is Tony Romo

30 year old Rex is NOT going to be around long and Beck is not the Franchise in waiting. A kings bounty for Luck may very well be worth is. I’m cool with Landry Jones as a runner up who may be just as good, as Luck may be a victim of being over-hyped.

by Copious 1 on Oct 4, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rex, The Elite Defense, and the Running Game and the Playoffs

Rex – He’s inconsistent and terrible at protecting the football. We all know this. However, until Shanny decides we have a better option he’s our guy. We are fans, and yes we are going to continue to critique every one of the 24 more turnovers we have coming our way this year. That’s just what fans do.

I’m sure Trent Dilfer was criticized in Baltimore all year on their way to the super bowl with him at the helm.

Defense – It’s elite. I’ve heard some in the media say the Redskins Defense can’t possibly keep this up for 16 weeks. Well 4 weeks is a decent enough sample size for me to say, YES this defense can continue to rank with the best in the NFL throughout the season. Even when Rexy puts the defense in a bind with an ill-advised turnover, the defense finds a way to bail him out, and with the front 7 we have it will continue to do so.

Running Game – It’s good, really good! We haven’t seen the best of it yet. Being 3 deep at RB ensures it will be good even if we take an injury at RB along the way. The running game will take heat off of Rex and hopefully minimize the damage he can do to us with his arm.

Playoffs
An elite defense along with a top tier running attack is enough to overcome mistakes at the QB position more often than not. Just ask Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Giants, and some of the other top defenses w/running attacks over the last decade. It’s a winning combination even if it’s ugly at times. I love having a team that will come out on top more often than not when the game gets ugly. Win ugly I say, just win. I see great things in our future if the defense and RBs continue to play at a high level, regardless of the ugly crap that Rex is capable of.

HTTR

by Kurtstack on Oct 4, 2011 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Division Title

May as well say this and take the heat. We are going 10-6 and winning the division this year. It’s going to be a magical year. Okay feel free to throw things at me for making the call this early in the season.

by Kurtstack on Oct 4, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing to throw at you

Things would have to fall absolutely perfectly for this team to get to 10 wins, but it isn’t out of the question. Those last 5 games are absolutely murder, they could easily go 1-4 in the last five. Probably need both the Giants and Philly to implode to get to 10 wins, which is certainly possible. I’m on record about the Giants imploding, and Philly is looking more and more possible.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 4, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the math is that bad

They have 3 wins now. Two home games against the division (Dall and Phil). 6 games against arguably beatable teams (@Car, @Buf, SF, @Mia, @Sea, Minn). 3 + 2 + 6 = 11. Of course they are likely to lose one or two or even three of those, but could conceivably beat the Giants (in NY) and/or the Jets. If they can stay healthy, Rex cuts down on mistakes and we get a few breaks, getting 7 more wins seems quite possible.

by Donnio1234 on Oct 4, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Donnio some of the six teams that you are calling beatable have good defensive stats thus far in the season.

They looked beatable before any games were played. Then again the Skins’ performance can still improve in the last 12 regular season games. I liked your optimism early on when just about no one else was.

by Jefferson1935 on Oct 4, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly the Jets don't scare me this year...

D is strong but O is much weaker than our O….these guys are not the team of the last three years. Ofcourse, they could turn it around but with a banged up OL and no running game to speak of, it will be a huge feat.

Hail to 'Em

by SkinsaneAsylum on Oct 5, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait, are you serious?
O is much weaker than our O

Given a healthy Mangold their O is much better.

OL much better. RBs are even. Sanchez is better than Rexy.

Santonio & Co are better than our WRs.

Keller is a good TE.

Yeah no

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 7, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

7 or more wins is highly probable

At this point, the teams we are most likely to lose to are: @Bills, Pats, @Giants . So even 12-4 is not a long-shot (at this point). Toss-ups: Jets at home and @Iggles for the last game of the year. Both are very winnable. Jets don’t look scary and we saw what happens to the Dirty Sanchez when he gets a pass rush and the “Dog Killer” most likely goes down with an injury before the end of the season.

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by GeoFly on Oct 5, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't rather trade down or just pick at the position we are at

Trading everything away for Luck is to risky. I Know he seems to be the guy with the most potenial but I would rather fill up other positions of need or have the coaches draft a different QB with the 1st or 2nd round pick. Maybe 3rd round but would be a QB that would most likely need more time.

by The Red End on Oct 4, 2011 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

It really looks like a 3 QB draft

with Luck, Jones, and Barkley. I wouldn’t be surprised if a fourth emerges no one is talking about. Including Washington, there are easily 7 teams looking for a first round QB next year, 8 if Indy decides to draft one. Could be a tough year to get a QB.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 4, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling our QB of the future will probably be Nick Foles

Just a gut feeling no QBs will be worthy in the 1st round or rather all the good ones will be gone so we’ll end up picking an interior lineman and then taking Nick Foles in the 2nd Round. Probably a Cornerback in the 3rd round.

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by TerpsAllTheWay on Oct 4, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the pricetag

For Luck will be too high. I have NEVER-NEVERNEVERNEVERNEVER- been an advocate for trading up. However, I think next year may be the time to do it. Multiple factors come into play to make the planets seemingly align.

1 – We have completely revamped the age and overall talent of our roster.
2 – (kinda goes with 1) we just had more than double the amount of our normal draft picks. Who knows, maybe Shanny and Bruce planned it this way: replenish us with young talent this year, so that we can absorb the hit of having less draftees next year.
3 – its almost like we’re already getting a first round talent next year with the return of JJ. Sure, its iffy on whether he will comeback at the same level, but aren’t all draft picks “iffy”? And the same argument applies to whether his preseason production would’ve definitely translated to the regular season. It’s not like you wouldn’t ask that question of any other early drafted rookie. On the other hand, does anyone around here not believe that, even though he was still a high draft pick, we most likely hit the jackpot by getting first round talent in the 2nd round? Personally, I think he’s gonna come back BETTER, as long as he sticks to his claim of working out and eating better to get himself in better shape for next year.
4 – while we definitely have a bunch of youth who will (hopefully) help us for years to come, it would be nice to see guys like Fletch and Tana enjoy some success here before their time is up. The earlier we can get our “franchise QB” up and running, the sooner it’ll be before the (so far pretty good looking) team we have now can take that next step.

For years I’ve been saying, along with many of you, that we shouldn’t draft a QB because we don’t have a good enough team around him. Well, I think we have that team now. Not just because we’re 3-1, but because the young talent and exuberance is evident. I think we fit the Atlanta and Matt Ryan/ Baltimore and Flacco mold moreso than the Houston with David Carr/ Detroit with Joey Harrington mold.

Forget about Baltimore and Dilfer, or even Chicago and Rex. Look around the league – there are more very good to great QB’s in the game than there have been at one time in a long time. These days, the way to win is with at least very good QB play. The way to DOMINATE is with great QB play. Sign me up for door #2.

By the way, like I said, Luck would cost us too much. But how come nobody’s weighed in on trading up for Jones?

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Oct 5, 2011 2:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

damn that was long winded....sorry

Hey, at least I broke it up into more than one sentence. Get off my case.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Oct 5, 2011 2:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No thank you.

I really would not want to spend the 2 firsts, the second and fourth that it would take to move up into the top 5 where he’ll be taken. This QB class is very deep, and I’d wager that one of the QBs projected to go in the first or early second (Foles, G3) will fall to us in the second or even 3rd rounds. I would much rather have one of them, a couple of new OL, and an ILB instead of just having one Landry Jones.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 5, 2011 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would probably

tend to agree with you. The only thing that gives me pause is the fact that we’ve been down this road too much recently, i.e – getting one of the “2nd tier quarterbacks” in the draft. We wasted too much time, and resources, on Ramsey and Campbell, all for nothing.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Oct 5, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I get what you’re saying, but I think they said they stocked up on picks because they weren’t sure what was going to happen with the undrafted free agents with the lockout. I would love a franchise QB though, even with the other glaring needs we have. I think we’d be foolish not to draft a QB next year, whether it be Luck or whoever, we need to take one and if that means selling the house to get “their guy” then so be it.

by travisjh86 on Oct 5, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

excellent read...

my point earlier. We have done the hard work this year in establishing a solid foundation, a core group of players (aka RBs and LBs). The OL is ok, decent, but still young, with room to improve. Finish off the process with selecting a franchise QB.

by jgibbsfan1 on Oct 5, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

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