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The Shanapologists need to see reality now


The emporer has no clothes.

 

That much is clear now, many of us were against the Shanahan hiring from the start.

Some jumped off when he signed McNabb and dumped JC17 for a ridiculously low price for a NFL QB with as many starts as he had in a QB needy league.

Many lost faith when he took an effective 4-3 defense and without the personnell to pull it off went to the maddening fultily of the 2010 Haslett 3-4

Some then jumped off when he benched McNabb for the 2 minute drill.

More departed when he dumped McNabb for good and ran a PR campaign to discredit the QB that he himself gave away the crucial pick 37 plus a 3rd rounder the following year to acquire.

 

When he came into the season with the awful Beck/Grossman QB combo and tried to make us beleive that his system was such genius that he and he alone could reclaim these 2 QB's from the NFL scrap heap and make them stars and prove his own genius.

 

But through it all there were the apologists, the excuse makers and the true believers.  A bunch of people in the media and on this page who continued to beleive that SHanahan was the answer, when all evidence said otherwise.  No Head Coach had ever taken 2 teams to a Superbowl Championship.  Shanahan had been FIRED in Denver after poor performance for the better part of a decade in a terrible and weak division.  They pointed at the Elway Superbowls forgetting that even though a Head Coach is incredibly important, having John Elway sure does make a Head Coaches job a lot easier than having Rex Grossman or Beck.

For those of us who had the temerity to criticise the ridiculous moves in the begginning of the Shanahan era there was venom and vitriol.  Every step of the way Shanahan had to prove his genius rather than just helping this team grow and commit to the re-build that was so neccesary after the horrors of the Zorn era.

 

Giving away a competent QB and 2nd 3rd and 4th round picks to go for the win now move of getting Donovan McNabb and Jamaal Brown was disgraceful.  This is not hindsight, those of us crying out for a true rebuild of this team saw the folly of it from the start.

 

Moving from a 4-3 to a 3-4 after giving away the draft picks neccesary to fill the holes created by this change of scheme was just utter madness.  It was coaching/GM schizophrenia, were we trying to win now McNabb/Brown or building for the future by changing scheme.

 

Hiring his son no matter his qualifications was a poor move because it screamed of nepotism and told the world that not only was Shanahan here for a number of years but he was so confident of his genetic genius that he would also give us his son after we were finished winning SuperBowls with him.

 

Well Mike, the NFC East is not the AFC West, this is brutal division, there are no Al Davis Raiders and Herm Edwards Chiefs to beat up on over here.  In a league that is evermore dependant on Stellar QB play in the no-contact on recievers era your zone stretch running plays are not going to take a team far.  And Rex Grossman and John Beck were never the answer.

 

Jason Campbell was the perfect QB for a rebuilding team, he provided solid, middle of the pack QB numbers for a team that was committed to a multi-year rebuilding program.  Without McNabb & Brown we would have been able to grab a Nose Tackle and Middle Linebacker along with a receiver or Free Safety to help rebuild real areas of need in middle rounds of the draft.  With a cheap and loyal QB for 3 or 4 years we could then have waited until this year coming up to grab a decent QB in a deep class at the position, Matt Barkley or Landry Jones for instance.  And when that player came in he could have competed with Campbell for the position on a team that had started to fill its many glaring holes.  But Shanahan knew best, well look at the Shanaplan now apologists.  We cant get stops when we need them and we cant score points.  We are a Joke, and as long as Shanahan remains so will our status as a cellar dwellar in a tough division.

 

No doubt the apologists will lauch there usual tired defences of this regime in response to this post, but the facts are on the field for all to see.  Shanahan may be a decent coach but he never should have been given Personnel control.  Bruce Allen is not the answer either, he along with Gruden (another saviour in waiting) presided over the complete destruction of the team painstakingly built by Tony Dungy in Tampa and like Mike was fired.  Tampa now looks good because they committed to youth, youth at QB, youth at RB youth all over the field and most imporantly.... YOUTH ON THE SIDELINES AND FRONT OFFICE.  But its OK Shanapologists use the same old tired excuses, the facts were on the field in Toronto and will be on another 9 fields as the season winds down.  Another 4th place finish in the NFC East another TOp 10 pick, this is the result of the Shanaplan.

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So much for the 3-1 start...

Where everyone was overjoyed with how we played. The 3-4 defence was finally getting it, generating one of the best pass-rushes we’ve had for a few years now. The run game was controlling the clock, and we were winning games. Just 3 games ago we were all thinking playoffs.

Lets not go overboard here, sure we’re on a 3 game losing streak, and we haven’t really played all that well. We’ve lost to 2 good teams, and a Panthers team that if Newton can get going, can score a lot of points. Looking at the season ahead, we may only get another 2-3 wins, we may get 5-6. But most of us expected not to do well this year given who was at QB. I was expecting us to lose a lot of games, but be competitive in most of them, then get our franchise QB in the draft next year and move on.

Teams have figured out how to beat us. They have to stop the run, get ahead in the game early, and force the QB to pass. When the Oline was at full strength, it was ok because they could protect various blitzes. But with out current Oline, teams only need to rush 4 to generate a pass-rush, meaning they can drop 7 into coverage, and that will always be hard to get completions no matter how good the QB/WR’s are.

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by UkRedskin on Oct 31, 2011 8:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Everything that you called out can be traced back to Shanahan choices

they will get another year, but the playcalling has been terrible all year…we have simply been outcoached as well as outplayed. I would be ok with outplayed and rebuilding. But poor decisions and playcalling get no excuses from me. Shanahan will be on the hot seat next year in my eyes. And while I am not ready to call the era over, clearly many of the key decisions have proven to be disastrous. It is time to start considering the source.

by DavidDunn on Oct 31, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

btw UK....

Need an breakdown of the overload blitz that beck totally missed….and didn’t even look to his hot route…

Some of those sacks yesterday were on the QB, not the OL…

by DavidDunn on Oct 31, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was planning at looking at all the sacks for 1 of this week’s breakdowns.

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by UkRedskin on Oct 31, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teams have figured out how to beat us.

No, we started playing better teams. We were a false 3-1, and everyone should have known that.

We faced a Giants team decimated on defense. We beat awful teams like the Rams.

Now that we’re playing decent teams the real Skins are showing through.

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 31, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point.

I still think its a combination of both.

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by UkRedskin on Oct 31, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

and why dont we have depth on the O-Line

or any other place we get injurys. Because of Shanahans moves as de-facto GM. I am not criticising his coaching so much, I actually thing that other than Buffalo he is a pretty solid game day coach, but as a player evaluator he is terrible. So we have no depth because of his choices, we have no receivers because of his choices, we are in the player personnell position we are in because of his choices

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Oct 31, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lack of talent and depth can't simply be fixed by coaching

This is a massive rebuilding project, and ten years of mismanagement is not going to be fixed in two seasons. The Lions weren’t fixed instantly, and look where they are now. If anyone needs to go, it’s Junior. Take a step back, folks. Injuries and lingering effects from ten years of Snyderatto have derailed this team… not Shanahan.

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by DCO'sfan on Oct 31, 2011 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Plenty of teams are much further along after 2 years than we are now.

12 months from now we’ll have all the evidence we need for Shanahan one way or the other.

3 drafts is plenty on which to judge someone.

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 31, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok...

But he’s not advocating waiting 12 months…

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by DCO'sfan on Oct 31, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

True, but he's standing by his belief that Shanahan isnt' up to the job

and so far an argument can be made that it is the case.

0 points to the Bills.

Zero.

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 31, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

look at his choices

you say we need more players, so why trade away picks to get an aging QB

You say he cant fix it overnight, so why make the win now moves of McNabb and Brown

You say it will take time, so why did he make moves that screamed win-now.

Tampa were in a WORSE position than us at the time Shanahan arrived, who would you rather be

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Oct 31, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree

especially with getting rid of JC. if we wouldn’t have brought in Mcnabb, we could’ve beefed up the Oline more. i’m sick of having a garbage Oline every year. it just doesn’t make since. this team has soooooo many problem’s right now, it’s ridiculous. the main thing is how long Snyder will go with the Shanaplan’s building process. we got shut out yesterday. that says alot. beck looked like a deer in traffic. recievers sucked, defense sucked, coached sucked. we don’t adjust around injuries. a banged up Oline needs quick passes, screens and runs. man was i soooooo disgusted and disappointed yesterday. but hey, being a redskins fan, that’s nothing new. i’m 39 now, and prolly gotta wait till i’m 55 before this team gets on track!

by alleykatt1000 on Oct 31, 2011 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Shanny made a few mistakes

But did anybody expect for him to do anything this year? No we expected a rebuilding year.

Give the man some credit, he’s the first coach to come in here and actually start a rebuild, and with youth.

He was left with nothing, he had Brian Orakpo, Laron Landry, and London Fletcher on Defense…2 of which are good fits for the 3-4.

He only had Santana Moss and Chris Cooley on offense…

by jbh1190 on Oct 31, 2011 9:19 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

Redskins fans are so fickle. If we end the season 8-8 people will be just fine and dandy because that was really our ceiling this year.

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by DCO'sfan on Oct 31, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who I am worried about though is Hasselet,

Really am questioning his scheme….Kyle I’m giving a pass because he well still has nothing.

by jbh1190 on Oct 31, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

The defense is regressing to some degree

But with Fletcher playing hurt… he’s the leader of our D. And losing Jarvis Jenkins really hurt.

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by DCO'sfan on Oct 31, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

we're rebuilding this year? with what youth?

our two OLBs and TW?

Who else?

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 31, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Roy Helu, Leonard Hankerson, Jarvis Jenkins, Fred Davis, Niles Paul, Chris Nield, Darrel Young, Kory Lichtensteiger, Josh Wilson, Terrence Austin, Logan Paulsen, Rob Jackson, Perry Riley,

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by UkRedskin on Oct 31, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

just to name a few.

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by UkRedskin on Oct 31, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about last year

or did Shanahan think he walked into a good situation last year and take 12 months to realise that a rebuild was neccesary, cos I think 4-12 in the last year of Zorn made it pretty clear that this was an awful team, and maybe trading away 2nd 3rd and 4th round picks wasnt the smartest idea to bring in a QB who by the numbers was basically just an older slower declining version of the guy you already had.

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Oct 31, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Helu and Hank can’t get PT on a team struggling for offensive weapons.

JarJenk looked good but is unknown

Fred Davis awesome. Licht is good. Josh Wilson has been uneven this year.

The rest are not a youthful core of anything. They’re a bunch of unproven replacement level players.

We do not have a youth movement afoot of a bunch of building blocks. we need at least 2 more drafts.

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by smutsboy1 on Nov 3, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

SMH

shannys not going anywhere so you can kick and scream all you want. however, your cries for the “shanapocalypse” will not be answered and all you end up doing is fostering more negativity.

i think shanny needs to wake up and make some changes, but he himeslf will not be one of them. im not sure Kyle will be one of them either.

Hail to 'Em

by SkinsaneAsylum on Oct 31, 2011 9:20 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm not saying I want him gone as coach

I just want someone else to be in charge of player personnell (well to be honest I do want him gone as coach, I never wanted him, but I understand that wont happen)

But if you look at his last 5 years in Denver he left that team with as many holes on the Personnell side as we had when Zorn left, he is just not a GM and he never should ahve been given that power

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Oct 31, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would be okay with taking away total personnel decision making from Shanny

and just letting him be a major voice in the decision. who would you give this power to though? Allen? Im not so sure he is great with personnel either….see Tampa Bay a few years back when he was GM

Hail to 'Em

by SkinsaneAsylum on Nov 2, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

and therein lies the problem

your right Allen sucks as well.

WE need to get some 21st century NFL minds in our Front OFfice and stop relying on people who had their success in the 20th century.

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Nov 7, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Sorry but Jason isn't the answer

Unless it’s the guy who wears the funny mask and creeps into Shanny’s room at night carrying an ax. The knock on Campbell is still he holds the ball too long and is indecisive. That’s still true (was true) in Oakland. Stats aside, he’d get killed behind this offensive line the same way that Beck is. Never understood the rationale in the musical chairs Shanny did with the oline when Kory and Trent went down. You move your starting center to guard, insert at center a guy who’s too tall to play the position and is really a guard and put a career right tackle at left tackle.

by DudleyDoright on Oct 31, 2011 9:42 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The answer was JC & a 2nd round pick.

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 31, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

EXACTLY

this is the point, no one is saying JC would win us a Superbowl, but he was more than adequate to be a place holder QB for a re-building team

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Oct 31, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

QB where are you .....

Get rid of Kyle and bring in someone that attacks on offense not play to the defense….

by juanpan on Oct 31, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

The problem with the team

It is still what it has been the last 12 years… the ownership and front office are ineffective. Whether it is Danny boy and his sidekick Vinny, or Mr. Snyder and Shanahan has general manager, this is what is crippling this franchise.
Is Shanahan a bad head coach? I don’t think so. Is his son a little Behind the curve and inexperienced as a coordinator? I think so. Do either one of them have a chance without competent personnel decisions? Absolutely not.

Shanahan the GM is the problem-Shanahan the coach is partly the problem. His son really needs to be fired as OC-family or not, this is a business.

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by Skins Fan '77 on Oct 31, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

A good QB makes your Defense Look good

Look at Indy. Or when the Rams lost the high level of play from Kurt Warner. Maybe even the Saints or Vikings or Bangles. All of these teams had poor defesive play while they had QB issues

by westly on Oct 31, 2011 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

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