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Could Robert Griffin III be the next Redskins Quarterback?

I was going to save college quarterback breakdowns until the off-season, but following on from Kevin's piece on Matt Barkley yesterday, I thought I would look at the guy who has caught my eye in college football, Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III. As I've said before, we don't get much college football here in England. We certainly don't get a choice of games. But thanks to Parks link in another thread I got to watch every throw he made against Texas A&M and TCU. Obviously, I came away very impressed with what I saw (otherwise I wouldn't be making this post). But before we get to that, what is it that we look for in a quarterback?

There are measurable's (agility, athleticism, durability, height, mobility, speed, strength and weight), intangibles (character, competitiveness, intelligence, leadership, toughness and work ethic) and football abilities (accuracy, arm strength, checking progressions, consistency, decision making, footwork, mechanics, pocket awareness, poise, reading coverage). Basically a long list of things we use to evaluate a quarterback, you get the idea.

So lets start with the measurable's. Griffin is listed as 6'2", 220 pounds, maybe an inch or so smaller than would be ideal but its about the right weight. CBS Sports attributes him with a 4.52 second 40 yard dash. In comparison only Tyrod Taylor, who ran a 4.51, ran faster among quarterbacks at the combine last year. While the 4th overall pick of the draft, wide receiver A.J. Green, was only a shade faster. His athleticism saw him successful on the running track as well. From Wikipedia:

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In track, he broke state records for the 110-meter hurdles. He ran the 110-meter hurdles in 13.55 seconds, and the 300-meter hurdles in 35.33 seconds. The 300-hurdles time was one-hundredth of a second short of breaking the national high school record. He was also a gold medalist in the 110 and 400-meter hurdles on the AAU track and the field circuit. He sprinted 13.46 in the 110-meter hurdles and 49.56 in the 400-meter hurdles as a junior in high school. In 2007, as a junior, he was rated the No. 1 high school 400-meter immediate hurdler in the country, and was tied at No. 1 for the 110-meter sprint hurdler in the nation. Also as a junior, he received the Gatorade Texas Boys Track and Field Athlete of the Year award.

The guy is more athletic than you could ask a quarterback to be. However, he has had injury troubles in the past, leading to durability questions. Griffin played less than a half of football in the 2009 season after suffering an ACL tear. He only played 25% of the 2010 season due to injuries that forced him to redshirt the year. This has lead to durability concerns, but he hasn't missed a game so far this season.

Then we have his intangibles, is he the kind of guy you want to be the leader in the locker room? Griffin is the son of two retired U.S. Army Sergeants. By all accounts, this has seen him brought up with a great work ethic and leadership ability. From interviews I've seen, he comes across as a genuine team player and good character guy. Quotes like these are music to NFL scouts and GM's ears:

"The biggest thing is trusting the guys around me," Griffin said. "I trust my offensive line, I trust the receivers that when the ball is in the air, they are going to be the ones who are catching it. They are going a great job of making plays all year." "As long as you go into the game with confidence in the people around you and the play-making ability of everybody else, it makes you a better player"

The rest of that story can be read here, it's a pretty good read. He puts his trust into his teammates, and they give him trust and respect back. Just as a side note he's majoring in political science, so he's not exactly a dumb jock either. There's not many arguments that can be made against Robert Griffin's intangibles, he ticks all of these boxes.

So, we've established he's very athletic for a quarterback and that he's everything you want as a leader in the locker room. But all of that is useless unless he can translate it to success on the football field. From the tape I've watched, he has no trouble doing so.

Accuracy:

Robert Griffin is currently averaging 78% completion rate for the season. But in college, that could be boosted by dink and dunk type offenses. So here's a few examples to prove he's a very accurate passer over different distances.

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The receiver is running an eight yard in pattern. Griffin has to make sure he avoids the linebacker in the middle of the field but cant afford to overthrow it or the defender covering the receiver has a chance to make the play.

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He not only avoids the defenders, but he hits the receiver perfectly in-stride and that allows him to run on for the first down in the huge open area.

But that's a throw you would expect a quarterback to make. This one is a much tighter throw. It does fall incomplete, but as you'll see that has nothing to do with Griffin.

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Griffin is trying to fit this one in a tight space to his top receiver Kendall Wright on the crossing pattern.

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The ball placement is superb, just over the out-stretched arm of the A&M defender (shades of the Aaron Rodgers touchdown throw over Troy Polamalu in the Super Bowl).

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He hits Wright in-stride and exactly where the receiver would want the ball, Wright just drops it.

Or how about this throw in the red zone.

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Wright ran a slant on this play, and comes back to get the ball.

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Griffin throws it low so that Wright is the only person who can make a play on the ball. He does that and gets a touchdown.

One final display of his accuracy, on deep pattern up the sideline.

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Griffin releases the deep ball to the top sideline. You can see the receiver yet because he is behind the scoreboard in the top corner. Take note, Griffin is on his own 18/19 yard line when the ball is thrown.

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Again he manages to hit the receiver in-stride, and right into his hands where only he can make the play on the ball.

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When the catch is made, the receiver is on the other side of the 50 yard line. Thats incredible accuracy over a 30+ yard pass. The receiver breaks a tackle and scores a touchdown.

Arm Strength:

Well if the last 30 yard throw wasn't enough to show off his arm strength, how about a couple of 50 yard throws?

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Griffin has Wright on a deep vertical or a go route. Notice he's just behind the 50 yard line.

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Griffin just overthrows the diving Wright. It's almost impressive that you can overthrow a receiver on a 50 yard pass.

Just in case you think these are fluke throws, I'll show you one more.

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Another deep pattern, and again Griffin is on roughly the 50.

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He not only hits his receiver this time, but puts it perfectly in his stride so that the receiver doesn't have to make any adjustments and pretty much guarantees the touchdown.

Still not satisfied, how about this 40 yarder against TCU.

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Griffin winds up from the 40.

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And almost effortlessly hits Wright perfectly for a big touchdown. Showing off not only his arm strength, but his deep ball accuracy as well. Some people believe his deep accuracy is his best quality, something that Redskins quarterbacks have been desperately lacking for years now.

Checking Progressions:

Admittedly, this isn't something he's asked to do all that often, or if he is, the primary read gets open a lot! But still, he can do it, have a look.

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On his initial drop back, he checks the short quick option.

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He moves on to the slant route and realises it's covered.

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He checks his final option and once he see's its open, he pulls the trigger.

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He hits the receiver and gives him the chance to make a play, which he does by breaking a tackle and getting a first down.

Here's another example from the TCU game.

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The blue line shows how he keeps his helmet aiming straight down-field to keep the safeties from reading him. Meanwhile he uses his eyes to check the first route at the top of the picture before realising its covered.

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He moves onto his second read.

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He see's that its open, and throws just in time as the TCU defender is closing down on him.

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Griffin completes the pass for a first down and a big gain.

Mechanics and Footwork:

This is where some critics come in. Some people believe he has a tendency to have a bit of a wind-up before he throws, lengthening the release. I don't see this myself, on the contrary, he appears to have a very quick release in my opinion. Have a look at this play-action pass to the tight end.

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The thing to look at in these pictures to determine the speed of the release is the defender circled in red. Griffin has to fake the hand-off and get the ball up from his waste to his release point.

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The tight end is circled in red to show his target.

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Now Griffin just begins his throwing motion, watch the circled foot of the defender.

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Griffin gets the ball from his chest to nearly the point of release before the defender lands that foot.

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The ball is out (I couldn't get a shot between these two frames, sorry) before the defender gets his other foot down. Plenty quick enough for me.

In terms of his release point, I take you back to an earlier picture.

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As you can see, he steps nicely into his throws, transferring his weight to get a nice zip on the ball. He's got a nice high release. It's not a completely over the top release that you might see from a Peyton Manning or even an Andrew Luck, but it works for him, and he doesn't get a lot of passes batted down at the line.

His footwork is probably one of his biggest weaknesses and its not that bad. He does get "dancing feet" in the pocket while waiting for receivers to get open, but its nothing that NFL coaching can't fix.

Mobility:

This is another one of Griffin's biggest strengths. His mobility allows him to extend plays, roll outside the pocket and make good throws on the run. There's so many examples to choose from, but I think this one shows it best.

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Initially Griffin looks to the top of the picture for the deep throw, but realises that its covered.

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With pressure coming, Griffin decides to get out of the pocket.

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What Griffin does really well is keep his eyes down-field the whole time, still looking for a receiver.

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Griffin only takes his eyes away from receivers when he has a defender charging him down. He tucks the ball and protects it with one hand, while stiff arming the defender with the other to avoid being tackled.

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Griffin manages to get the throw off at an awkward angle.

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Not only managing to accurately hit the receiver, but put it in the only place that the defender can't get to. Baylor pick up the first down.

But these are just my views on Robert Griffin III. So, like Kevin did yesterday in his Matt Barkley post, I reached out to Dan Kadar, SB nation college scout over at Mocking the Draft. He just put up his piece on Robert Griffin III over there, so go check that out. I asked him what he thought were some of his biggest strengths and weaknesses.

The biggest difference for Griffin this season has been the types of throws he's making. In the past, he was more of a short game thrower, which made him a product of the spread Baylor uses. This season he's making much more difficult throws. One of the things I think people don't notice about Griffin is how tough he is. For better or worse, he's not a quarterback who is going to slide when he takes off and runs.

The downside that remains is that he's still learning the play calling and how to go through his progressions. He's not asked in the Baylor offense to make many complex reads, so he's behind the curve in that area. He also has some lapses where he'll pull the ball down too quickly and run with the ball. It hasn't hurt him as much in college, but that sort of thing doesn't translate particularly well to the pros.

Thanks to Dan for taking the time out to respond, if you're not already, I strongly suggest you give him a follow on Twitter, @MockingTheDraft.

So what do you guys make of him? Could he be the next Redskins quarterback?

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Griffin is listed as 6’2", 220 pounds, maybe a foot or so smaller than would be ideal but its about the right weight.

7’2", 220 pounds is ideal?!

I wonder if McGee can throw… ;-)

"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"

by ThuGodfather on Oct 27, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

aw you beat me to it!

7 foot QBs sure would be ideal

Hail to 'Em

by SkinsaneAsylum on Oct 27, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just about to make that comment

He would be the most amazing QB in the world if we was that tall and that fast… he’d have to put on a few pounds, though.

by mbedner on Oct 27, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

a 7 footer at 220 would look like a skeleton. he would have to be fast because the first LB or DE to hit him would snap him in half

Hail to 'Em

by SkinsaneAsylum on Oct 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, well done guys. good spot.

Meant an inch, obviously.

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by UkRedskin on Oct 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

were you using the metric system?

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, no.

interestingly enough, I prefer foot and inches to metres and centimetres.

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by UkRedskin on Oct 27, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whats a metres?

God yall suck at spelling… these olympics are going to be confusing as shit.

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Yall" suck at spelling?

people in glass houses…

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by UkRedskin on Oct 27, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least we can pronounce our words properly since we still have our teeth.

"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"

by ThuGodfather on Oct 27, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha!

Touché sir.

Can’t believe how many people we’re so willing to jump on one typo in 2200 words. Makes a chance from the usual defence vs defense debate I suppose lol.

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by UkRedskin on Oct 27, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crap...

Makes a change*

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by UkRedskin on Oct 27, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh, I'm just bored with all of the QB talk

It’s more amusing to find something to joke about…like Parks’ “girlfriend”.

"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"

by ThuGodfather on Oct 27, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

fiancee! It even says so on the Facebook!

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

UkRedskin - you see how upset he gets when we mock his blow up doll?

He’s always good for a laugh.

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by ThuGodfather on Oct 27, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's messed up

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, no picking on Parks' girlfriend

She may have curious taste in “men” but it’s below the belt to take a cheap shot at a guy’s girl.

And she’s actually LIVING, this time, not like that vinyl blow up doll he used to date.

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by BillWard on Oct 27, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"it's complicated"

Jarvis Jenkins
Kory Lichtensteiger
Tim Hightower
Santana Moss
Chris Cooley
Trent Williams
Phillip Buchanon
Oshiomogho Atogwe
Byron Westbrook

by Jim America on Oct 28, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Welcome to Hogs Haven

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can’t all be as perfect in typing and grammar as me.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 27, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fixed
Welcome to Hogs Haven the internet.

by willster on Oct 27, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fixed
Welcome to Hogs Haven the Internet.

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by Omaha Sun on Oct 28, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you're below the Mason-Dixon line then Y'all is a word...

It’s in the Constitution.

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love this guy.

The Redskins are my team. That is all.

by RedskinsGirl on Oct 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And the plural of Yall is All Yall.

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by BillWard on Oct 27, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Oct 27, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like him but like Matt Barkley a little better.

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by RedskinsGirl on Oct 27, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's just because

You want to hear the “Heart” commercial from yer QB.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Oct 27, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I, for one, would love RG3

but i wonder how the chips will fall in the draft. RG3 is steadily rising up the charts and all it takes it Kiper or McShay to start hyping this kid up and he could become a top 15 pick

Hail to 'Em

by SkinsaneAsylum on Oct 27, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

He likely won't be able to play in ASG, so his legend will grow...

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing you forgot to note

Griffin has Olympic aspirations. He is good enough to run the hurdles at the 2012 Olympics. He might not come out at all.

But if he did and we landed him I would do backflips. Been following him since he came out of highschool.

Thes Snozberries taste like Snozberries.

by 64ShagginWagon on Oct 27, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Man... such a tough choice for the young man

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

On that same note I don't think it's 100% that Luck comes out.

I think he will, but I see a scenario where he would stay.

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think the same is true for all the Juniors

though reportedly Barkley is 100% no matter what, sounds like he isn’t a fan of Kiffin

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by Steve Shoup on Oct 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is a fan of Kiffin?

Seriously thought, if Stanford sniffs the National Championship and they don’t get in or lose the game then I think Luck is going to think long and hard about staying.

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also if he feels the worst team is tanking for his services

He just did that interview the other day where someone asked him about the Suck for Luck. He was pretty disgusted.

Thes Snozberries taste like Snozberries.

by 64ShagginWagon on Oct 27, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah apparently its a mess there

reports are half of those juniors, even guys projected in the 3rd -5th round are looking to come out.

Actually the team that I think could give him pause about coming out is St. Louis, b/c it is such a wild card. If it is the Colts than he knows he’s going to a well run organization. If it is the Dolphins they probably bring in Cowher or Gruden. But the Rams are a wild card, anyone could trade for that pick.

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by Steve Shoup on Oct 27, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miami would be screwed. lol Poor sweetie pies. lol

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by RedskinsGirl on Oct 27, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool breakdown, yet again!

I definitely like RG3 as a prospect, I just wonder if he’s the best fit/would excel in our scheme.

by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

This kid is rail thin. What he’s listed at and actual weight are completely different. I think he has a good arm. But, I think he would get killed behind our o-line.
I was asking a few people the other day and think that this would make a good topic of discussion: With the injury that he has, do you bring Hightower back next season ?

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by Rodskin on Oct 27, 2011 2:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

You don't think if exclusively focused on football then he would gain some weight?

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone needs to check he’s not anyway blood-related to Blatche or McGee.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 27, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the scouting report

now the eagles will take him

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by theaction on Oct 27, 2011 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you.

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by UkRedskin on Oct 27, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would the Shanahans bend the system to fit him?

They’ve proven that they’re not willing to change their schemes for a certain player and would rather just get players that fit their plan. I’m not saying their offense calls for just a pocket passer, it doesn’t. It works great with a player who can run the bootleg, but Griffin does not seem like a conventional quarterback at all. While he could have a huge upside, would Mike an Kyle be willing to call plays to showcase the talents of a Vick style QB?

by bgsmith4 on Oct 27, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he would fit well.

As you say, the play-actions and the bootlegs suit him perfectly. While he’s not conventional in that he’s more athletic than a normal QB, I don’t think that should take away from his throwing ability. He has the character that would do whatever was asked of him, and it would potentially allow the Shanahan’s to open up their playbook more if they chose to do so.

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by UkRedskin on Oct 27, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

What round do you think a guy like him would go in?

He looks to me like a guy that needs to develope for a few years to get the mental aspects of the pro game down. I feel like he will be drafted highly because of his athletic skill set and that means we wont see him when draft time comes. I have no idea though, I’ve never watched him play or even heard of him until people on hog shaven started talking about him.

His athletic skillset will be in higher demand thanks to cam newton. Not that you can really compare the two but I think cam really went a long way towards opening peoples eyes to the things a qb with those talents can do. Vick always had the knocks against him until he came back a second time and proved he was a complete qb, so that may also help out guys like this.

I’m all for trading around to get our guy but only if its a few spaces up. I don’t want to have to sell out the entire draft to get 1 player.

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by Al_CaPWNED on Oct 27, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm no draft expert,

so I couldn’t tell you what round or how high up in a round he should go. All I can say is that in comparison with the guys that are talked about as top 10 QB’s (Luck, Barkley, Jones), I’d say he’s up there with certainly the latter two.

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by UkRedskin on Oct 27, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he does need to develop some

but so does every QB not named Luck. He’s a sure fire 1st rounder and should be in the top 15.

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by Steve Shoup on Oct 27, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

To build on Steve's point, I think you're going to hear a lot of Top 15 talk, but...

I wouldn’t be surprised to see him drop when the evaluation period begins.

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So he's definitely a first rounder then

Unless everyone decides to take a dump on qb’s. I think the league is starving for them still even after last years run so we’ll see another run. Maybe its not even a run anymore its just the position is so freaking important and everyone knows it.

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by Al_CaPWNED on Oct 27, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

reply fail :*(

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by Al_CaPWNED on Oct 27, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say definitely...

because you never know what happens. I’ve read reports that believe he’s a mid-second to third rounder. But in my opinion, he’s not far off, if at all, Barkley and Jones in terms of talent and ability.

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by UkRedskin on Oct 27, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed I have him as the 2nd best QB now behind Luck

the upside is off the charts and the Skins will be quite happy if he falls to the 10-15 range that they should be in.

I still believe he won’t be the 2nd drafted QB, but he should be.

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by Steve Shoup on Oct 27, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

2nd best...really? Interesting...

We need to have a HH prospects power poll.

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone else notice

the space he has on each of those throws? Even in the one in which “the TCU defender is closing down on him”, he has 1.5-2 yds of space in every direction in which to work.

I’m no college football expert but each of the pockets created by his offensive line are as big as the absolute biggest that he’ll get here in Washington. How does Griffin do when he doesn’t have miles of space to throw in?

God, if our O-line could pass protect like that…

by speddfreak on Oct 27, 2011 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

NVM

If our O-line could protect like that, our QB would still be John beck.

by speddfreak on Oct 27, 2011 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I like him

but i would still rater build the team for one more year and grab Aaron Murray in 2013.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 27, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd likely take Bray, Tyler Wilson, and maybe even Osweiler over Murray

Although Oswieler’s height slightly scares me.

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I haven't gotten a chance to watch those guys

so I wouldn’t know, but the 3 games I’ve watched Murray play he’s looked pretty good.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 27, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're killing me Smalls!

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

I legitimately think Murray is a good prospect. He’s athletic, has a very quick release, and he’s done just fine without his top receiver. I would be perfectly happy if the Redskins opted to take him next year instead of drafting a QB this year.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 27, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha that's perfectly fine, I just thought it was funny that you wanted him but haven't seen the other guys.

I’m assuming that if you haven’t seen them then you haven’t seen most of the guys this year, so not sure how much stock to put in your 2013 plan.

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen Barkley and Foles in one game each

They’re pretty good, but still, if we stuck them under center on the team we have now, how well do you really think we’d do? We need one more year for a rookie to be able to come here and succeed.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 27, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why? I don't understand the difference
We need one more year for a rookie to be able to come here and succeed.

I’d rather have a guy installed and learning the system and then give him some toys in year two. People act like we don’t have any picks after the 1st round next year and that free agency just doesn’t exist.

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about you

but I don’t want a losing season next year. i’m sick and tired of losing. I really don’t care if we draft a QB as long as we trade back first and pick up an extra couple of high round picks. I don’t want to take a QB for the sake of taking a QB, especially if we take him at our original draft spot.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 27, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we should

WIN next year, then draft a quarterback? So you think your guy Murray is gonna last to the 15-22 range? That is, of course, assuming we do “win next year”.
 Huge assumption to make still trotting Beck or (insert name of another journeyman QB) out there 1st string.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Oct 27, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

EXACTLY!

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait a second

so you want us to lose next year? is that what you’re saying?

Trading up is OK if you already have a solid team and just need one or two more pieces to contend. It is not OK if your team is the 2011 Redskins.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 27, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

but wait, how do the other guys

affect how good he is? I mean, if a guy is good he’s good, jut because someone else is good too doesn’t make him any less good.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 27, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put it this way: It's basically like if you had a good steak at Applebees once

and you just keep going back to Applebees for steak, you never know what kind of steak is waiting for you at Ruths Chris, Mortons, etc…

It would be like a scout going out for his first visit and seeing a good QB then saying, “welp this guy is good, no reason to check out the next college”

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea that heat lamp sears to just the right temperature of luke warm, just the way I like it.

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha you're right

That’s how Golden Corral produces the best quality food!

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by Steve Shoup on Oct 27, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I'm trying to get Golden Corral to cater my wedding

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tyler Wilson

My guy

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Oct 27, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still think it's premature to be discussing the draft.

We have only played six games!

I’m still bedazzling my NFC East Champion T-shirts.

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by iH8dallas on Oct 27, 2011 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Draft is going to happen regardless of how we finish. At least people know who/what to look for on Saturdays w/ post like these.

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, but this could change very quickly.

What if John Beck goes all Drew Brees on the league? What if Niles Paul is Marques Colston 2.0?

I usually wait until the season is over to speculate. In the meantime I’ll make Curly R cookies in my Easy-Bake Oven.

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by iH8dallas on Oct 27, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baby hands is going to have to grow about 5 inches to become Colston.

What does it matter if it changes, they are just educational pieces about prospects. I’d take this blog/community over any other in draft knowledge as a whole last year. It was great, awesome conversation and debates over even 7th rounders.

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

RG3 could definitely be the QB steal of 2012

In review,

Positives:

  • Arm strength
  • Speed
  • Accuracy
  • Athleticism
  • Mechanics
  • Pocket Awareness (maybe a bit jumpy)

Concerns:

  • Size
  • Durability
  • Not the “play-caller”
  • Pre-snap reads?
  • Still pretty raw

I just hope he can stay under the radar enough to fall to us. At this point, I personally have him ranked right behind Luck and Jones. Barkley and his noodle arm can stay out west with Pete Carroll for all I care.

You had me at Helu..

by VA_Skin on Oct 27, 2011 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

These two scare me, I'm willing to sacrifice athleticism for a smart, savy, cerebral QB
Not the "play-caller"
Pre-snap reads?

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

But based on reports and comments that I’ve read about Griffin’s intelligence (3.5+ GPA, high Wonderlic score, etc.), I think those two questionable areas could easily be addressed.

You had me at Helu..

by VA_Skin on Oct 27, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Def a smart guy, but football IQ is different. I really can't comment on his right now.

Sucks we don’t have a stud center to help out like Carolina

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will Montgomery wasn't doing that bad.

admittedly, he’s no Kalil, but he wasn’t doing that bad.

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by UkRedskin on Oct 27, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm refering to identifying the MIKE and audibles, slide protection, etc., Cam does none of that right now

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wiz isn't even playing center in Oakland, I doubt he'd be able to do the things I listed above in his 2nd year also

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by Parks Smith on Oct 27, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wiz played Center for a while before injuries changed the lineup

but he was relegated to LG due to injuries on the line. Their more experienced Center, Samson Satele (28) is in the last year of his contract (I believe), and I read somewhere that they may move Wiz to Center after Satele’s departure. But who knows?

Regardless, I think he would have been our Center had we drafted him. Clearly that was our weakest OL position last year.

You had me at Helu..

by VA_Skin on Oct 27, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on where we stand now

with all of our injuries, would a quality C/G or another DT/DE be more of a benefit to this team right now?

My answer is C/G. Our OL is in shambles and it’s because of lack of quality depth. We must address our OL.

You had me at Helu..

by VA_Skin on Oct 27, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is different

but I think it is clear that Griffin is a fast learner. The fact that he’s already gotten his under grad, is abotu to get his masters, and is applying to law schools is impressive.

I do think he has FB smarts he just needs some time, as do most QB’s.

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by Steve Shoup on Oct 27, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep Kendall Wright in mind too

might be a 4th round steal at WR, even though we have plenty of short fries out wide

by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 27, 2011 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

The more I see of him the more I think his stock is going to skyrocket

Honestly I dont see how you could take Matt Barkely over him and Brakely is currently many people’s #2 qb. There’s a highlight where Griffin puts the ball 50 yards in the air as he’s getting hit….he has as good an arm as there is in the draft, he is an accurate passer, AND he has that all-world athleticism. People tend to assume guys that can run like him arent really qb’s….but he seems to be like Cam in that he could be a traditional pocket passer with his arm and accuracy but also brings insane mobility to the table.

We’ll be in a position to draft him too, if the Shanny’s want him….I suspect they wont though, will look for a taller qb like Tannehill

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