YOUR John Beck outlook entering Week 7 & Beyond

by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 20, 2011 2:31 AM EDT

We've talked all week about Beck's replacing Grossman and many are looking at it as a "thank god Rex is out of there" kind of perspective, myself included for the most part.

But come Sunday, Grossman's going to be the furthest from our minds (unless Beck throws 5 pickles) as Shanny starts his 3rd QB in 1 1/2 seasons here in Washington. But the closer we get, I have to admit that I am genuinely excited to watch Beck line up under center. Not just because of the turnover's Rex has committed, but because from a fan's perspective, I believe this guy gives us a better chance of converting on 3rd downs, extending plays, and just protecting the damn football.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Beck is the next Kurt Warner or Tony Romo; guys who come out of no where to take the reigns of a franchise. BUT, I do believe I have higher expectations for what Beck will do for us for the remainder of the season than many on here do.

We've been scorned when our hopes have been high so many times, and I think looking at Beck as nothing more than the next stop-gap guy makes perfect sense. But all of us that are still around even through all this crap we've had to put up with are so because in the back of our heads, we still have that voice that says "what if this is it?"

I know I still have it.

Am I alone in thinking Beck can turn out to be the unquestioned starter for the remainder of this season, or do you think this is the next guy to bomb here in Washington and he's nothing more than our "grin-it-and-bare-it" guy til next April?

Maybe I'm trying to take the optimistic route, but when I do think of Beck, I think the guy's a "football player" and a winner. I hope I'm not eating those words.

via www.washingtonpost.com

Poll

How do you think Beck performs for the remaining 11 Weeks of the season?

We're definitely seeing Grossman again (not injury related)

14 votes

Isn't much of an upgrade, but Shanny sticks with him

13 votes

Serviceable

25 votes

More than a Game Manager

15 votes

Leads us to the Postseason

18 votes

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My question is...

If Beck takes this team to the playoffs, do we still draft a QB in the first round?

by Sevendust34 on Oct 20, 2011 6:26 AM EDT reply actions

YES

Jake Plummer went to the AFC Championship and the very next draft Shanny traded UP to get Cutler.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 20, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions

Even if Beck plays at a Pro Bowl level (I'm not saying he will)

His play will dictate is how long whichever QB we draft will have to be groomed.

For example, someone like Ryan Tanehill is not a day 1 starter. But, with his upside he has the potential to become Franchise QB after he smooths the edges of his game and learns pro-style offences and defences

But if Beck sucks we will have a higher draft pick, allowing us to take a more talented and pro ready QB

Beck to the future!

by The Shanaplan on Oct 20, 2011 8:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

And it Beck surprises us all with such play

It’d be the perfect setup, to have him hold the fort while we groom the future. That’s a situation we’re not familiar with here.

by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 20, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Remember

That good teams with average or even sucky QB’s can reach the postseason (Cassel, Sanchez). As long as you dont have someone turning the damn ball over every other series…………

Take away that good team and see how those QB’s perform. I would rather have our current D and John Beck vs having someone like Bradford and his team.

by irishgoon on Oct 20, 2011 8:06 AM EDT reply actions

+1

by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 20, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Look at it this way

Here’s the choices:
1. Beck is quite serviceable. He goes through the remainder of the season performing the job as Shanny wants with minimal turnovers. Shanny drafts a QB next year and Beck is the starter until the rookie is up to speed or the entire year. Grossman is gone.
2. Beck is no better that Grossman (hard to inagine that) but moves the team better than Rex. Again he goes through the remainder of the season and Shanny drafts a QB next year. Again I think Shanny lets Beck stay the QB but inserts the Rookie faster that he would have.Grossman is gone.
3. Beck is just as bad as Grossman and fails to move the team resulting in going back to Grossman or flip/flopping the QB during the remainder of the season. Again Shanny drafts a QB next year, dumps either Grossman or Beck or both and brings in a new vet QB as a stopgap until the rookie is ready.
Either scenario I think Train Rex is toast but we see Beck for basically the remainder of the season and into next year. I just can’t see Grossman, the turnover machine, staying with the Skins or even really playing again. You just have to stop turning the ball over and he can’t.

by DudleyDoright on Oct 20, 2011 9:14 AM EDT reply actions

He did (Grossman) only sign a 1 year extension

Skins new Grossman wasn’t going to be around for long, at least their negotiation of the contract being limited to one year tells us they didn’t care to keep him around, barring some spectacular play on his part.

by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 20, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Alternatively

Beck exceeds our wildest expectations and takes us to the playoffs, winning the wild card game only to lose in the divisional round by a margin of 3 points. Shanny decides Beck is good enough for another few years and has an entire draft of OL, an ILB and a Corner, forgoing a QB for another season.

The Redskins then trade up from the 27th pick of the draft in 2013 to get rookie Aaron Murray at QB. We also grab another ILB in the 2013 draft and another Wide Receiver. Murray gets a year to develop, and we insert him into the starting roster by 2014 after the Redskins only make it to the first round of the playoffs.

The Redskins win back to back super bowls in 2014 and 2015, make it to the championship in 2016 and win the SB again in 2017.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 20, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Here's my dream scenario, smack me in the face after I post it:

Beck performs admirably, keeps the seat warm for the remainder of 2011 AND 2012, ala Jake Plummeresque.
Supposing we pick in the 14-20 range, our draft looks like this:
Rd 1: M, Floyd, WR – Notre Dame
Rd 2: R. Tannehill, QB – Texas A&M
Rd 3: Interior Offensive line
Then we have two 4th rounders after that, granted trades could inevitably take place.

Floyd has gotten hurt in the past, but judging from where we may be picking, he could very well be a great pick. We are lacking weapons on offense. In today’s NFL, I think draft RBs in the 1st rd is stupid, but I think grabbing No. 1 receivers makes total sense. Floyd could be that No. 1 we haven’t had since Santana of 2005.
I’m just saying, I would like the pick. Otherwise, if a top QB doesn’t fall to our laps, wherever we’re picking, I vote trade back, accumulate picks, build that OL, and grab a QB LIKE Tannehill or maybe a Griffin (if he doesn’t just race up draft boards like everyone believes he will) later.
We’ve come to accept how the stock of guys rises as we get closer to the draft, if that happens, I actually don’t think I’d have a problem taking Griffin if we’re in that 14-20 range as I predict we will be.

But just keeping it honest, we do have other holes other than QB and interior line, I don’t want to “settle” in the first rd on those positions.

by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 20, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions

I’d really rather not take another injury prone WR with a high round pick.

Just look at Malcolm Kelly.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 20, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions

It's not a chronic knee issue

Just a broken clavicle his Sophomore year, since he’s been money

by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 20, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Even so

I have faith Hank and Paul will be effective as #1 and 2 in the years to come. We need 4 OL and a QB right now. If we can get that this year, I think the Skins will make the playoffs almost every year after.

by TheDeepBall on Oct 20, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions

I see Hank as no better than a good No. 2

If his talent and potential are to where we as fans hyped it up to be when he was drafted, beating out a guy like Donte Stallworth who’s signing 1-year deals now all the time, I don’t see him being a receiver that can “take over a game” like we see with true No. 1 guys. Is Floyd in that class? Donno about this level, but he has the build. Obviously a Justin Blackmon doesn’t appear to be an option, but I know I’d take him too.
I think Paul and Austin are guys that will see more snaps on offense as the season progresses, maybe once Santana’s gone, Austin fills in that slot. If not, maybe a Ryan Broyles in the 2nd round?

by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 20, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Beck will take us to the playoffs. Sunday afternoon at 4pm you guys will all wonder why Shanahan did not start Beck from game one.

Beck has one key thing that Rex does not have,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, CONFIDENCE !!! Rex is a feeble minded guy. Let me say this once again. Rex only started because he was Kyles guy from Houston. Mike wanted to give Kyle a chance to save face. Beck has always been Mikes guy. But he had to try and make his son look good by playing Rex versus the best qb for the team BECK!! To much politics on a Mike Shanahan coached team is always the norm according to his former players from Denver.

by LETJASONPASS on Oct 21, 2011 2:33 AM EDT reply actions