John Beck Will Start Sunday vs Carolina
by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 19, 2011 9:21 AM EDT
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PrintVia Adam Schefter (who else), John Beck is officially the Redskins starter vs Carolina (despite getting support from Santana Moss, Jabar Gaffney, and Brian Orakpo). As Ryan Kerrigan said earlier in the week, "I'm only focused on my defensive responsibilities...we'll support whoever's out there."
We've debated it all week and I've been firm on the standpoint I'm OK with either guy starting. Beck no doubt provided a spark in the Eagles game and I certainly see how Shanahan would not want to extinguish that going into the next game.
OK, let's all freak out now....keep in mind, we're playing Carolina who has a 17th ranked passing defense and 25th in sacks.
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With our line right now... may god protect these poor QBs
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Well it could have been Glazer to break the story too
but Schefter is all things Denver past and present.
Schefter and Shanny are boys
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it's gotta piss off the Skins beat so much
they’ve been grinding at Skins Park for decades in some cases.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 19, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
haha didn't even think of that
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Shanahan said he would announce it after practice
which is slightly odd since presumably the starter would work with the first team. Why did Mike jump the gun? If he did.
This to me makes it important
to go back to Hightower as the starting RB. His pass pro will be a HUGE help with the left side. Torain just doesn’t do as much without the ball in his hands.
^^^ AGREED.
Expect to see Hightower in pass protection and Logan Paulsen blocking a lot so Fred Davis can catch passes.
Beck will need to be fleet of foot, to survive behind our new line.
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by Stephen Beagrie on Oct 19, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
IMO that's why he's getting the start
I’d bet that if we didn’t lose both Licht and TW Grossman would still be starting. The slightly better mobility and pocket presence that Beck has is a lot more important without them.
by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 19, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
The slightly better mobility is the only thing that is going to keep Beck alive. Our Left side just got, as the kids say, ’et.
by Xin Baixiang on Oct 19, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
if Hightower plays
great, he’ll get me fantasy points, if not, I’ll cut him, my Shanny is a mercurial one when it comes to tailbacks!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 19, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it is also important to establish a ground game early, so hopefully Helu is involved.
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+1
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Oct 19, 2011 10:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Im excited..
to see what he can do. The unknown Beck allows for a little more excitement in watching his skills develop. Hopefully in a positive way.
HTTR!
All I can say is
YYYYYYYEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
30 year olds don't develop
The best we’re going to get out of him is a slightly better bandaid than Grossman until we can draft someone competent.
by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 19, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree.....
regardless of age he has no real game experience. I think he can, and will, improve, to some degree, from what we have seen.
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by MagicHat on Oct 19, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or Kurt Warner
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 19, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Warner was mid-20s
And he was actually starting in AFL and Europe, for what its worth
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He was 27 when he jumped back up to NFL…I thought he was older than that. He’s actually only 40 now. Skins should sign him.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 19, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Warner. But you've given up on Colt?
(Light hearted joke). No need to debate it.
Steve Young showed more than "signs" he was a good QB.
He was a starter for one of the USFL teams, which played NFL caliber football. He was pretty good, too (one of the stars in the league, along with some dudes named Gary Clark, Herschel Walker, etc.)
Young didn’t do well in TAMPA BAY, yes…. but he was definitely doing more than “showing signs” before he took over from Montana.
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No they don't develop
but they improve with practice with the first teamers which is something he hasn’t had since the start of the regular season. To take a guy who has stood on the sidelines for 4 3/4 weekends and throw him into a game down 20 points, what do you expect? At least he moved the team and didn’t (drum roll please) throw an interception or fumble. With the damage to the offensive line his mobility has to help where Train Rex has all the mobility of a cinder block.
by DudleyDoright on Oct 19, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
He has no responsibility for last week's loss
But the guy has had a lot of chances in the league. People are acting like his time in Miami and Baltimore just didn’t happen.
He may be slightly better than Grossman (not that it would be hard at this point) but he isn’t going to turn into something he never has been anymore than Rex was.
by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 19, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yea right, he's about to summon his special mormon powers.
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Someone call Matt Stone and Trey Parker
by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 19, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
You will respect his authori-tie!
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That's silly
some of us actually are Mormons! It’s a good joke, but give Beck a shot, you know Grossman sucks and will forever
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 19, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Given that Matt and Trey have a Tony award winning stage show called Mormon
I could see them making a episode about this for next weeks show.
his time in miami and baltimore happened
But he was a rookie who played what, 5 games on a 1-15 team? Those are hardly circumstances to give someone a chance to succeed. And just because he didn’t beat out Flacco for a starting gig doesn’t mean the he blew his shot or proved to be bad. Flacco is legit.
And who knows what would have happened if Flacco went down with injury and he got a shot in Baltimore as a starter, but that did not happen.
by RobtheRedskin on Oct 19, 2011 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Remember,the biggest knock on Rex is that he makes mistakes
hopefully Beck won’t make so many mistakes. In fact, I have some memory that, if anything, he was overly cautious in pre-season.
Beck makes sense here because they have to find out if he can play. If he can’t, they can always go back to Rex. If they don’t give John a shot, they’ll never know if they have a serviceable QB. I think Rex can and will handle the disappointment well. Losing out again would probably start to wear on Beck.
+1
No one is saying that Beck is the guy. But we have to FIND OUT what he can be for us, because we do not know. It is not impossible that he could be the guy. I am hoping that he could be at least servicable enough to protect the ball, lead us on a few TD drives a game and let the defense continue to do their thing.
It is possible that he will regress from the goods things he showed against the colts and eagles and play terribly.
It would be nonsensical not to find out though.
by RobtheRedskin on Oct 19, 2011 10:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We could have a poll
Worse starting QB situation: Washington or Denver?
I don’t know if Beck can play or not, but I know he can take a snap without fumbling, so I say Washington.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 19, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
right now?
Us. As slim and ill conceived as it may be, there is at least SOME hope for Tebow. At least he’s young.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Oct 19, 2011 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Both Beck and Tebow will succeed
thus making you Redskins fans and I as a Broncos fan, happy!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 19, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
not saying your wrong I just want to point out that he had more INT's INC's and sacks in preseason in less attempts
I think people should be very cautious about saying that he is superior to Rexy.
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by Steve Shoup on Oct 19, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
No 34 year old pro bowlers who have spent a career getting to the playoff and never winning a superbowl...
don’t develop (or rather are not going to change up their footwork for anyone haha). A guy with (is it 4 games? under his belt, all with bad teams) can develop beyond his current talent even in their 30’s. He’s out to prove something and I think it’s obvious in his work ethic, the only issue is he gets no starting QB game time. Is the development going to be immense at that age, probably not, but improvement and development can happen. I use the word develop very loosely haha.
Agreed, at least its an exciting move
I’m gonna sit back with a 6-pack of Becks and enjoy the show
by StephanHart on Oct 19, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
who's line was it when rex "won" the job out of the preseason?
something like “this only delays john beck’s inevitable death on the field in week 6”
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man
This is a pretty ballsy move by Shanny.
His safety net is gone now, and if Beck plays poorly then it’s all on Shanny. This can either end positively or Ringling Brothers are coming back to the Redskins Park.
Man I hope Beck can be the stop gap.
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Eh, let's not overstate it
I’ve always heard that the good coaches when rebuilding a team get a defense, then an o line, then a qb.
Despite all the griping last year about the switch to the 3-4 we now have a pretty competitive defense. Next offeseason hopefully we’ll work on our o-line, and if possible find a real starting quarterback. Even if (really when) Beck fails I don’t think it’s going to have the dire implications for Shanahan some people are saying it will. Yea, he’s said he’s putting his trust in Grossman/Beck but what else is he supposed to say? These guys are temporary stopgaps?
by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 19, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
O look another one....
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Another what?
Person who is realistic about what is going on?
by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 19, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
No I agree with you. I'm saying it will invite another media circus.
It just seems like everyone, right now, is trying to validate things preemptively if we totally suck. I know we’re still building for the future and I’m excited about it. But the people that think were winning 10+ games are just coming up with some weak stuff.
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Yea, I don't think we have a chance of winning 10 games with him
though I never really thought we were going to do that this year anyway.
You’re right about the media circus though. Granted I’ll take it over McNabb and Fat Albert any day.
by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 19, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I really doubt it will be a media circus.
Honestly, if we played poorly, we’d only be meeting expectations.
but in fairness
Rex Grossman has ‘met expectations’, as he has had plenty of forgettable games like the one on Sunday in his career. Yet all you hear about is this ‘controversy’
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by Steve Shoup on Oct 19, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone at the game could tell that Beck wasn't the answer
His lack of a good ball makes him as risky as Grossman. He will likely make better reads and is more mobile, but when he throws wounded ducks, that doesn’t matter much.
They can still go back to Rex - no sweat
Just a failed experiment. That said, Mike can never live down not going for a decent QB in the draft or FA. Or not getting another decent O-lineman earlier, or even this week before the trade deadline. He is just determined to stick with what he has, no upgrades. Oh well, he’t the coach.
he can absolutely "live it down"......
as long as he does for the offense this offseason what he did for the defense last offseason. There is no way this mess was going to be fixed this quickly….especially when he created even more mess as soon as he got here. Nobody was expecting a superbowl this year, most were not even expecting a wild card at the beginning of the year.
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exactly
He is on record saying that this is a 5 year process. He knows his QB’s aren’t good enough. He prioritized the defense this year with Kerrigan and Jenkins. If they still don’t have a QB next season, then we can grip.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 19, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I Dont Buy into this Line of Thinking
Look, they screwed up with Mcnabb, that’s a given.
However, even if both of these guys don’t work out, it doesn’t mean the circus is back in town. It means that there weren’t great QB options for this team during the past year, so they went with what they had while strengthening other parts of the team, most notably the defense.
If Beck doesn’t work out, its not good….but its certainly not the end of the world.
by StephanHart on Oct 19, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm starting a band called: Captain Rollout and the Kerackpos...
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okay but when you book club shows don't let Jamaal Brown be the bouncer because he lets everyone in
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by Steve Shoup on Oct 19, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
haha +1
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Fantastic smokescreen by Shanny!
All the talk will be about the QB situation and nobody will notice the OL until they line up; with Jammal Brown at LT and Sean Locklear at RT.
Mo Hurt at LG and Will Montgomery at C.
Chris Chester (RG) will be the only constant from the team that finished the Iggles game.
Possibly, or possibly not…
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by Stephen Beagrie on Oct 19, 2011 9:55 AM EDT reply actions
just threw up a little in my mouth.
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THEN MY WORK HERE IS DONE, MWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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by Stephen Beagrie on Oct 19, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
which means that Grossman could be in the game pretty quickly as Beck is going to get killed
unless he has Bo Jackson agility http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PBvOxicz-0
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by Steve Shoup on Oct 19, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
If Beck gets mangled, then no more QB controversy?
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by Stephen Beagrie on Oct 19, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
true but i'll guarantee some fans call for signing someone off the street
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by Steve Shoup on Oct 19, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WE HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT JOHNATHAN CROMPTON CAN DO YET!
Hooray!
Also, someone give that Ben Chappell kid a call back. He could really hand the ball off in the preseason. I think I saw something in those handoffs.
by timith on Oct 19, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hell...
…as good as he was at handoffs, he might be able to teach Beck how to get within an arm’s distance of a running back on the play-action pass.
by The Agent C 83 on Oct 20, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
If Beck gets mangled, then no more QB controversy?
Yea, it’ll shift to coaching controversy.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 19, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Maurice Hurt at LG. Hopefully. That is one of the three positions he is used to. The others being RG and RT.
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I think Monty should be at center since he is the best there
and let Cook and Hurt battle it out at guard. I love the fact we haven’t added anyone else…awesome logic Redskins
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by Steve Shoup on Oct 19, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Beck just said he expects Cook to be the Center this week
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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Hurt looked solid in the preseason
albeit with the 2nd teamers. I like the kid’s potential. He knows how to block with leverage.
Your OL may be close to the best the Skins can do in a short order of time. Neither Willie Smith or Maurice Hurt has any
game time. Erik Cook’s playing time is limited to the Eagles’ game. If Brown is kept at RT, he constant in this OL would be the right side starters for all regular season games this season. Locklear has been about as good at LT as he has been at RT with the Seahawks. (per FlaGators: Maurice Hurt at LG. Hopefully. That is one of the three positions he is used to. The others being RG and RT.)
by Jefferson1935 on Oct 19, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I am excited
to see what Beck can do, but I’m not expecting to see him come out and throw for 300 yards and 4 TDs. He definitely has his limitations but I think this move had to be made if only to minimize the negative play that has come from the QB position with Rex as the starter. I don’t really think that Beck is the QB of the future but I wouldn’t want to go through the whole season without at least seeing what he can do in meaningful games. It is a ballsy move on the surface but Shanny really has the longest leash I think of any coach in the league so he can pretty much do what he wants. If Beck fails, so what? Thats what everyone expects. But if not, then Shanny looks smarter than ever (for at least one week).
Bill Belichick called
He wants his leash back.
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by 64ShagginWagon on Oct 19, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I have every confidence that Beck will throw for 300 yards and 4 TDs
I’m just not sure how many games it will take before he gets there.
Seriously, we have NO QB of the future on the roster…. at best, we have our two backup QBs, and we need to decide which one is the guy for now, and to back up our future starter. Because come next spring, we’re either getting a new QB, or we’re back where we’ve been.
Shanny is slightly ahead of schedule on the rebuild: we’re a near-playoff caliber team at the moment, when that’s supposed to be our 2012 season. We might be a legitimate deep threat in the playoffs next year with another strong year of rebuilding, with the Offensive line and QB being the focus. But we have what we have on the roster now. Sure, we can add someone (Kellen Clemens?) but it’s not going to drastically effect our season at this point… we are the team we are. Only injuries and luck are going to change that fate at this point. So folks need to get a grip. I personnaly don’t care which of these guys starts, Beck or Grossman. I’ll root for the team, curse their mistakes, and cheer their good plays. But I’m also aware that right now, the Redskins QB of 2012 is playing collegiate football.
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by BillWard on Oct 19, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really want to continue winning more games, but
with our O-line and John Beck now in, it is starting to feel like we are playing for Landry Jones at this point. (I’m not entirely upset about that either)
Its sad to not able to see us winning more games....
BUT… the important thing is not “win now” but build for “win constantly later”
YES!!!
I totally agree with you…but I am still torn!
On one hand, I love the fact that we were winning games…
But on the other hand, we need a low draft pick in order to have our “pick of the litter” to start phase II of the rebuild.
Beck and Rex are not too far from being the same guy…its who we get in the draft that concerns me!
Now they see why we love our skins so much...HTTR!!!
Beck no doubt provided a spark in the Eagles game
It was in borderline garbage time though.
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by FlaGators on Oct 19, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I didn’t realize losing by 7 points is garbage time.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 19, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He played the entire 4th quarter in a 2-score game where our D held the Eagles scoreless in the 3rd. That is in no way garbage time….it just felt like it b/c we suck.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 19, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Borderline garbage time. As DavidDunn said below, the Eagles were borderline prevent at that point.
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that isn't what you said...
2 scores is not 7 points…
And both series were not the same…the second started 14 down with 6 min to go, not 15.
and whether you thought it was garbage time or not, the eagles played a base defense and got close to prevent the second series. The tape doesn’t lie.
no the tape doesn't lie
however it is easily mis-interpreted.
Gaffney should have held onto the ball at the ten in the first drive giving us more points or atleast more time to work with.
on the second drive, if stallworth could catch an under thrown ball that hit him in the freaking chest. then our defense goes out and has to stop them with 5 min 20 seconds…
In anycase when you hit a guy deep in the chest with the ball on your last offensive drive of the game is not a prevent defense. if it were a prevent defense the plays we would see would be 10-15 yard underneith patterns and some longer over the middle stuff.
Gaffney had zero chance at that ball it was thrown in the dirt
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by Steve Shoup on Oct 19, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think a reread of the comment above is in order
because you ignored half of the sentence.
1. What is a base defense and was Philly in it?
2. What does a receiver and under thrown wounded ducks have to do with the defensive alignment or game context.
3. What does the word close mean to you?
1. not sure what philly's base is but, they rushed 4 got pressure and Beck moved the ball
1.a) great thing to look at here is beck’s first play a screen to Davis, Davis fell Beck back peddled (quickly) and got the ball to him with pressure in his face. I don’t think Grossman would have done the same but thats just my opinion.
2. prevent defense is built to eliminate big plays and plays to the sideline. That play was a big sideline play that was dropped by a receiver. The throw wasn’t perfect (shocker thats what happens when the qb/wr dont have a bunch of reps under their belt, see Beck Austin connection) but the throw was good enough to be caught and it should have been.
3. depends on the context, it seemed to me that you were saying that Beck’s performance should be taken with a grain of salt because he wasn’t playing against an aggressive defense, am I close here?
yes...on 3...that was my point
not the particulars of a true prevent vs. borderline prevent, which I used intentionally. Philly was not showing Beck a ton of looks. As a matter of fact, watching the tape, it looked like he only saw 3-4 different looks the whole time.
I think he will make better reads that Rex and is more mobile in the long run. I have said so. But what I saw at the game were some serious accuracy and delivery issues that do not give me any confidence that he will be any better.
I really don’t think it matters who starts at this point. My bigger concern is the Shanahan duo’s ability to evaluate quarterbacks AND Kyle’s play calling. We are stuck with below average NFL QBs for now.
it was in the sense of the Eagles defense
they rarely blitzed him and were leaving guys open underneath…though Beck couldn’t always hit them.
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by Steve Shoup on Oct 19, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
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huh?
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by Steve Shoup on Oct 19, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
incorrect, mistaken, of untrue meaning
yes they are rushing 4 the majority of the time, but that doesn’t constitute a prevent defense or garbage time.
funny how you ignored the beginning of the sentence
The Eagles were in pure base defense, borderline prevent at that point.
and then admitted they rushed 4 every play (the blitzed once), proving my point. Prevent doesn’t automatically mean 3 rushers, it can also many more than 3 deep…i.e the word borderline as well as dropping LBs deep.
Its all right here…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIU-bUtEaLY&feature=player_embedded
If you are going to say something is false, it would be good to consider the full statement and actually have some facts to back it up.
I admit I was wrong to say 'false' towards that statement
But I believe that I am right in the assumption that you are downplaying Beck’s performanced based on the type of defense he was playing against. If this is the case I completely disagree. No need to rush more than 4 when you’re getting pressure with them. Infact I think it is more impressive that he moved the ball against 6 in coverage while evading pressure than if he did so against 5 or less dropped into coverage.
by skinsfan28 on Oct 19, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we will agree to disagree there....
I think that the amount of people in coverage is not as informative as to how a QB reacts to different looks etc and the QB accuracy when making the reads.
We agree that in base looks, Beck did a good, if not great job, of making the right reads. But he was pretty bad on step two, ball delivery. And the reason that this matters is it came when he wasn’t under duress. There were some egregious throws in there and when D coordinators are throwing the kitchen sink at him, I don’t expect it to get better.
It is what it is at this point…we don’t have a good QB
It doesn't really matter, but I would have stuck with Rex
I saw enough wounded ducks by Beck to know he isn’t the answer. I also think the players don’t trust Beck based on body language during the game and comments this week.
Into the Beck era, for 10 games and a college QB to be determined.
18 TO in 8 Games...
I wasn’t really for the switch on Mon. But that stat made me realize the skins can’t be a playoff team turning the ball over 2 times a game. And that is just Grossman, the rest of the team may have turned it over 2 times in that span. Some teams can win turning it over 2 times a game, not the skins. I have a feeling Shanahanis realistic and just asks these QBs to not turn the ball over, and follow the game plan. Simple. If Beck improves on only the TO number, it’s a better situation. I don’t know if I have it in me to go an entire season on the Grossman roller coaster. His fault or not.
I have more faith in Becks panic mode
Everytime rex goes into panic mode or a play goes on longer than it should it usually ends in terrible things…i believe with becks ability to hopefulyl extend the play and do good things (while running for his life)
With Gross in the game
I can honestly say I hate watching our offense! I just know nothing good will come of it!
by KonartistNupe on Oct 19, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait...
Do these “good things” include holding the ball out like he’s playing catch on the sidelines 9 yards into a scramble?
Be cautious with your optimism, I think a lot of fans are seeing their own wishful thinking in Beck.
by The Agent C 83 on Oct 20, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone else feel much more confident about this Carolina game now?
I do.
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Why you already predicted 31-17, are you upping the anti
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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Beck comes in for a blocked field goal then leads us down the field for a field goal of our own
35-14 It’s gonna happen haha
Cam Newton will throw for tons of yards
no offense, but the Panthers still lose, that’s my take!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 19, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I have very little confidence with the state of our O-line
Carolina has been putting up big numbers on everyone they play. And there is no way D Hall will be able to cover S. Smith.
I don't think so. Shanny said he's at like 80-85%, I'm sure it will be a game day decision but I wouldn't bet on him starting
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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Really hoping Stallworth would be cut and I could start the HankTime party this week.
Maybe Armstrong’s status is delaying this?
Interesting that Aldrick Robinson simulated Vick all of last week.
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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
It seems like the general fan perception is that the season is over,
so why not start some of the young WRs? I’d like to see Hankerson have some time to fix his route running and hand-eye coordination on the field.
I'm definitely not one of the "Season is Over" guys.
I still think we win the division, but I would like to see him active as a 5th receiver and have one or two balls thrown his way.
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You can't do that
The players know who can play and who can’t. If you start forcing guys who can’t play onto the field over guys who are better than them just because they are draft picks, the coach will lose the locker room. If Hankerson were at all ready to play, he would already be on the field. It’s not like there are future HOF players in front of him.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 19, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I desperately want to see the draft picks on the field too, but if the experienced guys are better “right now” then that is who you go with…besides, a year under the system and to learn from Moss and Gaffney can’t possibly hurt!
Now they see why we love our skins so much...HTTR!!!
Austin and Beck
worked out together during the strike and they seemed to have a connection during the pre-season. If Austin can get some time on the field I believe he’ll be very productive.
Just Like Pre-Season
Hopefully we’ll see a lot of slants to Austin over the middle
by StephanHart on Oct 19, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw AA at the Cooley auction last Monday
He was moving around slowly and not bending his leg. It looked like he was wearing a brace. Hopefully he is ready now.
Interesting quote from Casserly yesterday
“Ryan Kerrigan is a good football player who solidified that position. You now have two bookends there, you’re strong there. From the Redskins point of view, they didn’t believe in Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder as they guy that would have been the ultimate solution,” Casserly said. “[But] I probably would have taken Gabbert at 10 and not forced him into play this year. Play Rex Grossman or John Beck and bring him along slowly. I think he’ll be good enough in the end.”
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Thanks
Now we know that Shanahan was right. Casserly is wrong about 95% of the time.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 19, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
I like Casserly as a person, but he has a TERRIBLE history of choosing personnel. During his years with the team in them mid-90’s, they wiffed on many many top round draft picks.
So Casserly may say some interesting things, but you can’t value any endorsement he might give on a player.
by StephanHart on Oct 19, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
This team is better for the next decade
with Kerrigan than Gabbert. Add in all of the other players that we were able to draft because of the trade, and its a no-brainer.
I wouldn't trade the Kerrigan pick for any other player in the draft, except maybe Cam.
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I don't get the Casserly quote
He is saying we drafted for a huge need on D and solidified the position for the next decade. Then he says we should of drafted Gabbert at 10 because he was there. Not the right fit, not a great prospect but just because he was there. Then he wants us to sit Gabbert.
So no Kerrigan + no Gabbert playing = we are a worse team than before.
Good call Chuck.
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by 64ShagginWagon on Oct 19, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, sort of odd
I might have taken Gabbert, but it was a close call. I might have just waited and tried hard to get Ponder, Kaepernick, Dalton or Mallett. Would depend on how high I was on Kerrigan. The draft didn’t go the way most of us figured (all the top QBs going early).
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Oct 19, 2011 10:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What new receiving corps?
I do know Beck threw to Terrence Austin ALL THE TIME in preseason…could be exciting
by StephanHart on Oct 19, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I like our D's chances
this week. As good as Newton has flahed this year, if there is any QB that can go pick for pick with us it is Newton. He may make a big play or 2 but he will keep us in it by committing turnovers
For those of you with the Olsen Debate
Elizabeth Olsen wins the debate, hands down.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 19, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
it took us a whole day to ghet here?
man…I was waiting for the Elizabeth Olsen call yesterday but I didn’t want to have to do it myself…she is so hot
by Ken Meringolo on Oct 19, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
and she was actually worth a look-see
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Well I guess it's time to get behind John Beck now
Even if he’s no better than Rex I just hope he will be smarter.
+1
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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
For Instance
On the first interception that Rex threw on Sunday, he had Santana Moss wide open 5 yards deep across the middle of the field on a 3rd and 15+. All he needed to do was loft it with some touch to Moss, who would have scampered for at least 8.
If he didn’t get the first down, we would have been able to kick a field goal and strike first with points.
Instead, Rex chucked it into 3 man coverage to Fred Davis. Interception, drive over.
I think Beck will check down to better options when given the opportunity for more often than Rex did.
by StephanHart on Oct 19, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohh how quickly we all forget...
A couple of years back we had a QB that was too slow through progressions and made some very questionable decisions. Then he was injured and we had to turn to the 30 something year old washed up never gonna make it in this league journey man…
TODD COLLINS
He single handedly took us through the darkness to the playoffs. Beck will be the Todd.
One year is all we need. just to wash the stink off this franchise.
we also had a running game and somewhat of an offensive line
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by Steve Shoup on Oct 19, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
and although Collins didn't have a huge amount of experience
it was still a lot more than Beck has.
And that has changed?
We have three RB’s that Shanny likes not just one Portis and the OLINE has been crap this millennia. Also, unlike Todd, Beck can run for his life. Beck will lead this team.
by SKINDEMBOYS on Oct 19, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Right!!
All we need is an awesome football card picture like this
by SKINDEMBOYS on Oct 19, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll be honest, if that didn't say Todd Collins,
I would have asked you when John Beck played for the bills. They look so freakin’ similar
They are dopplegangers
Todd has four letters, John… four letters…Beck Four letters!!!
They both played for horrible teams before being shipped around everywhere
You could even reverse the “5” in 15 and it would be….12
The signs of the second coming of The Todd are upon us. It will we the..beckpocolypse.
by SKINDEMBOYS on Oct 19, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
The Story HAS Started
Soon, this will be the scene at FEDEX and the feeling in all of Redskin fans hearts. 
by SKINDEMBOYS on Oct 19, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully it won't look like this:
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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Great news!!
Beck has shed that crappy number 3 jersey infavor of the mystical 12. He is an entirely different person in that number.
by SKINDEMBOYS on Oct 19, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Mystical 12 equals
3 Teams + 4 letters in his first or last name = 7
When he wins, high-fives all around = 5
7+5=12
Wake up fellas!!! No more cautious optimism, skeptisism, worrying, wondering if we should drink the Kool-aid or anything else besides blind devotion knowing that the Skins will whoop that ass every week against every team. All Hail!!!
by SKINDEMBOYS on Oct 19, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It would seem you approach the world and the coming of John Beck like this.
by SKINDEMBOYS on Oct 19, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we talk about what's important?
Namely stopping Charles Johnson and Steve Smith.
"That's what she said!"
I don't think D Hall will be able to stop him
S. Smith may be on the wrong side of 30, but he is still incredibly good.
This is true. D Hall is terrible.
Every time D Hall gets an interceptions, everyone forgets his previous 90 terrible plays. It is so annoying
Nope, I've always maintained a healthy hatred for D. Hall.
One of the few players on this team that I will never ever like.
I don't hate Rex
Frankly, I feel bad for Rex. He has gotten the short end of the stick in just about everything in his life. His first name: Rex, his last name: Grossman, his looks, his physical ability
Wilson looked like he could take all the Philly WRs in stride
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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
What can't that man do?
In fact, I hear under J. Becks chin strap is another arm only capable of throwing laser, rocket touchdown passes.
This excuse is getting worn out...
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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
you're just creating an excuse now...
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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Every time DHall getting burned or potentially getting burned someone always writes:
Atogwe will help him.
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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Jacksonville and Atlanta did just fine. Is today National Excuse Day?
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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn't "Atogwe" Swahili for "He can help"?
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
It is actually Canadian for "Virginia Beach Sucks"
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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
What's wrong with Virginia Beach?
Sure beats Richmond.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 19, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm trying to have a conversation with my friend Bill Ward...
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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And thanks for the kind word... I need a bit of pickup.
Both the folks have been hospitalized the last few months, and my Aunt’s funeral is Friday. Been a rough two months, as I go from being middle-aged to being one of the “Elder Generation”.
On the other hand, I’m also picking my Gen3 Camaro back up from the shop on Friday before the funeral, and it’ll be officially 3/4 restored. And I’m seeing John Pinnette live on Saturday night.
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Sorry to hear that man, I wish the family well
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I'm a "757" guy....
Beach bum, currently sitting a hundred feet from the Ocean here at Virginia Beach.
On a totally (not really, since we’re talking Marty ball here) note, the Destroyers are in the UFL championship game on Friday, 6 miles down the road. Marty Shottenheimer may win his first world championship (of the UFL world, but still)…..
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missed a word... "On a totally UNRELATED note".....
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Covering their tight ends will be key to this game.
Newton throws it their way almost every time.
"That's what she said!"
The nice thing is, the D basically will use the same game plan as they used during the second half of the Eagles game
so things should already be familiar
I have disagree, he doesn't throw to them as much as you think.
For whatever reason, I’ve watched the Panthers a lot this year. If you look at their roster then you’d immediately think Olsen/Shockey are prime targets and a great safety blanket for a young QB. In reality, it seems as if Newton is just discovering his TEs. In tough spots Newton just seems to launch it to Smith and hope he makes a catch (which he has done). I’d argue it’s more important to key in on Johnathan Stewart, who has been getting a great deal of targets out of the backfield. I think if you broke Newton done it would be something like this:
WR: 50 %
TE: 25%
RB: 25%
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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Also tackling Cam on the first hit is important.
I’ve watched him a lot and he’s like a better Roethlisberger in being able to shed defenders.
"That's what she said!"
Also the way I feel about John starting is that...
I feel (based on his off field actions and interviews) that he’s getting this news and saying, “alright it’s time to get to work” as if every drop of his blood is going into this game. Whereas I feel with Rex that a starting position is kind of a “sweet, I’ve held on to the start another week”. Again these are all just feeling’s but off the field presence and ethics seem to favor Beck. So even if he can’t succeed, I feel like he really is doing everything in his power to help us win. Just the interviews post game last week, gave me those feelings. I can root for a guy to works every part of his ass off and admits his weaknesses, even if he loses. Even as good as John played comparable to Grossman last week, his words on feeling the pain of the loss really went a long way. So Sunday I will back him 100%. He will make mistakes and he will probably need to get the rust out, but I will back him entirely, just as I did when I trusted Shanny with the Rex decision.
+1,000,000
That’s why I like John Beck so much…the dude is pure heart and hustle.
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by RedskinsGirl on Oct 19, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah ..
with Rex I feel like his off field presence is, “we screwed up, but it wasn’t all me, and so we just have to improve”. I for one am not a fan of the ‘we just have to play better’ answer that a lot of quarterbacks give. That’s me personally though I know its a media sports standard response haha.
John does a great job explaining passes he missed and why he thinks they missed. He makes no excuses for his play. That I can stand behind.
I made a similar comment yesterday
I have really admired the way John Beck carries himself over the way Rex Grossman operates. I don’t believe that it is a coincidence that Rex’s performance’s deteriorated with more wins because he is known to get an inflated ego. When he does that he tries to take on too much and we get games like Sunday.
I’m support Beck 110% and I am excited to see him excel.
+1
Rex stopped being careful and reverted to his careless way of playing.
Not surprising though, its his MO
by StephanHart on Oct 19, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess we will see a lot more Austin on the field now
given they seemed to have a pretty good understanding during the pre season and he was imvolved against the Eagles.
Maybe something similar will also happen with the likes of Paul and possible even Hank as well.
I'd love to see Hank at all. Throwitdownbigman in 3...2...1...
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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
because what this team needs is more dropped passes
I wasn’t going to say anything, but you called me out.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 19, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
like this...
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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I mean he can’t be any worse then the 3rd and 4th string guys we are putting out there now can he?? Not to mention, he is great across the middle, and with Beck running for his life on Sunday, Hankerson could be his safety blanket!
Safety Blanket
Will be Fred Davis, should be a huge game for Sleepy
I think he has been improving pretty rapidly
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Austin
I would love to see Austin on the field more. I think he has real big play ability
He certainly performed well in preseason
Of course some people would say preseason is not a litmus test, but then those same people scoff at starting Beck based on preseason numbers.
Which running back gets the start Sunday?
I’m thinking if Hightower is healthy, he goes.
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definitely
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 19, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
A couple of things have really turned me against Rex
I never wanted the guy but he was our starter and I supported that. But he was quoted as saying that other than the Iggles game he has played well. Even though he has gotten worse every week since week one. If you can’t recognize that you need to sit in the corner.
Second he threw Fred under the bus. Whether or not Fred messed up I still want a QB/ team leader that says it was on me. Can’t recall Brady, Manning, Aikman, Young, Montana, or other great ones doing that. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t recall.
Last but not least in his press conference on Sunday after he stunk up the place someone asked him about the run offense not working and that it wasn’t helping him out. His response was I don’t know anything about the run offense. You are the starting QB. Isn’t that your job to recognize the defensive fronts and audible to the right pass or run play?
I think we see a type of game plan like San Fran is doing with Alex Smith. Ball control, short passes, limit mistake type foortball.
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by 64ShagginWagon on Oct 19, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions
I think its vitally important that the QB at least make the defense respect the pass. I thought Grossman gave the best chance at that, but its just clear he physically cannot make the throws. Beck’s arm isn’t anything special either, but its clearly better than Grossman so they at least have a better chance of completing those throws. I doubt Kyle dials down the aggressiveness.
ATL - I don't think it's true that Rex "physically cannot make the throws"
He sometimes underthrows, but it’s not because of lack of arm strength.
Agreed
I honestly felt that his last 2 interceptions had considerable velocity on them, just to the wrong team.
by The Agent C 83 on Oct 20, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Lots of Kool-aid drinking here, I'm chuggin' Haterade. This is probably the beginning of a 5 game losing streak.
by sanford_and_son on Oct 19, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions
You'll be drinking at your own party then
If Beck plays smart, our offense will improve and our defense will continue playing well and we WILL NOT go on such a losing streak
Now...
Cut Rex, so there’s no chance of him coming back even if Beck sucks, and bring in Marc Bulger and JaWalrus Russell to compete for the backup job. SUPERBOWL !!!!
My two cents
We will be better With Beck under center because he offers another issue for defenses to deal with. When he scrambled for the first down, the Eagles looked over their shoulders and said, “what, wait, WTF just happened? He ran?” defenses knew Rex was going to sit in the pocket and if he was pressured he would make mistakes. They won’t have the luxury of sitting back on Beck, he has the potential to hurt defenses if he needs too. I got the feeling defenses were in our huddle or at least had the play before the ball was snapped with Rex. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe not, we’ll find out Sunday.
Agreed
It throws a whole new wrinkle in your offense when your QB can run for a few yards. Rex really put the offense at a disadvantage when compared to most every other NFL team, most of which have QBs who can move and run.
The question is: Will Beck be able to exploit this wrinkle to freeze linebackers and confuse secondaries, which can lead to big plays? We shall see
And I think Mike kind of has to stick with him now.....
and I hope he does. Even if he is able to realize his potential, it’s going to take him a minute. I am much more curious about he does in the last 4 games than the next 4.
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