Based on Brian Orakpo's Recent Comments, Expect Grossman to Start

by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 19, 2011 8:08 AM EDT in Redskins News

Brian Orakpo was on ESPN980's The John Thompson Show yesterday talking Grossman and the fans' lash back. I wish the Redskins fan base had one third the resolve Rak does, but we are just not groomed that way:

Orakpo: "[Rex] had a bad day. There's no reason to go ahead and make changes and all this other stuff that goes along with it. Everyone has a bad day and that's my honest opinion. We're not a team that's rebuilding. We're a playoff caliber team. We're a team that's trying to win games and reach that pinnacle of the Super Bowl. We're not a team that's just going to throw someone in and hope for the best. Right now we're in a good position.

Quarterbacks are going to have a bad day. He had a bad day. Obviously he wishes he could have it back. We just have to move past it, move forward, and get ready for Carolina. I just feel like we should keep the same guys and let's keep rolling. We'll be fine."

And Orakpo tells it like it is for fan reactions.....

(laughs) Everybody's gotta understand. We're right there with everyone. All of our fans. We're right there with them. We're disappointed we lost the game. Everybody has a right to be on the team. At the same time we all mourn after it after the game. But then the day after that it's time to move on. This is a long season. We have what? 10-11 games left? We're still in a good position at 3-2 with plenty of football left.

Preparing ourselves for utter letdown is what we as Redskins fans are conditioned to do. Rak hasn't lived through the Spurrier and Norv eras. Does he have a point? I think so. But either way, Super Bowl teams have the ability to blow out other teams, especially bad ones. Redskins can't do that. As for the Panthers:

For some reason we play great on the road on challenges like this. We're going to be ready and focused.

Doc Walker then asked Rak about Trent and Kory going down. Rak, who has been going against the new OLine in practice, had high praise for Sean Locklear and Will Montgomery saying Locklear has been a long time starter and knows this game. Rak was very confident that the coaching staff can have this OLine ready. If I may pour some Kool-Aid, all off-season we were all very concerned about the OLine. "It's made up of all backups: Montgomery, Lictensteiger, Chester, Jammal." And yet Shanahan got them playing at a very high level. Let's take a deep breath and put some faith in this coaching staff.

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Comments

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

If Grossman goes back in, my Redskin season is effectively ruined.

by irishgoon on Oct 19, 2011 8:22 AM EDT reply actions

I have no doubt it's going to be Grossman

Am I alright with that?………………………………Hell No!

It is what it is, and I hope and pray this year is the last year we have to endure his shit.

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by Tiller56 on Oct 19, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions

I'm with ya Tiller

I will still watch and enjoy the game that I love but I will cringe everytime on passing downs, well actually eveytime our offense takes the field as the other defense has a better chance of scoring than our offense with that douchebag in.

by irishgoon on Oct 19, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions

I watch the games

but it’s hard for me to enjoy them with him back there. Honestly, this is the first time I’ve ever felt tis way about a Redskins team.

Last week, after Rex had thrown his first 2 INT’s, I found myself(in a very weird way)hoping he would throw more, just so I didn’t have to see him in the game anymore. I didn’t wish for us to loose, but I wanted so badly for him to be yanked. I guess I got my wish, but I feel his demotion will be short lived, and for that, I am upset. He doesn’t deserve to be the QB of our team………………………sorry, he just doesn’t.

People have told me, and I tell my football players all the time, that things in life, and on the football field arte not given to you; you must earn them. Well, Rex has not earned the right to be starting for the Redskins. It’s being given to him, and with that I don’t agree!

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by Tiller56 on Oct 19, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions

Like Clint Eastwood said in Unforgiven, deserving ain't got nothing to do with it.

by horatius on Oct 19, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions

should have waited 8 more minutes tiller

Sheftler says it’s Beck

by skinsfan28 on Oct 19, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions

Danm, I'm shocked

and happy!!!!!!

My Wednesday just got better. Thanks skinsfan28! You made my day!

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by Tiller56 on Oct 19, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions

John Beck must really suck..

In an ideal world Rex would never be starting again but when all we have is Beck behind him there is a good chance he remains the starter at least for now.

It’s interesting seeing that Rex still has the backing of the team and while there are unlikely to throw him under the bus they still seem to have faith that they can win with him.

by PJ_21 on Oct 19, 2011 8:23 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Ugh..

No one can intelligently defend putting Rex back in.

by irishgoon on Oct 19, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions

and no one can intelligently defend putting Beck in

based on the simple idea that he can’t be any worse than Rex.
I’m not defending Rex in any way as I know he sucks people just need to realise there is a good chance he is there again as the starter against the Panthers. I would love for Beck to come in and do well but there is NOTHING to suggest he is capable of being any better than Rex so the way things stand I don’t get the fuss about him potentially playing again. He’s actually shown in the past that he can come back from games like this and play well. It’s not like he is going to throw 4 INTs every game he plays now.

by PJ_21 on Oct 19, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions

I can defend putting Beck in.

It’s not Rex Grossman.

by irishgoon on Oct 19, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions

I believe there is absolutly an intelligent arguement to play Beck

Grossman is averaging over 2 turnovers per game and he’s not even close to matching that with touch downs. Grossman has the worst qb rating of any starting qb in the league right now.

Beck came in and looked rusty but kept the ball moving and scored a TD bringing us within one score.

look Beck may not have earned the spot with his performance, but Rex lost it with his past 3 performances. To not give Beck a chance is crazy, if Beck had 7 turnovers in 3 games I would absolutly call for Rex to get a chance.

by skinsfan28 on Oct 19, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions

Careful

It’s not like he is going to throw 4 INTs every game he plays now.

Rex might take that as a challenge…

by willster on Oct 19, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions

Do we need to go over this again? People's intelligence needs to stop being mocked on this issue

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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions

Reality is what everyone can see

I don’t think they have a playoff caliber team, maybe playoff caliber defense. But I do think they’re close. Rex Grossman did not have a bad day. When he was taken out he already threw 4 ints. That should qualify for somewhat more than a bad day by any standards. I don’t think Rex left Shanahan with any other choice but to bench him.

At this point I don’t see the harm in letting Beck get his shot.

by skinsymets on Oct 19, 2011 8:30 AM EDT reply actions

I'm really not surprised by this...

The guy has one bad game and everyone is calling for his head.

Trust me, like everyone else, Rex is not the answer or the solution to the problem. If you think Beck is then well you have brain damage.

Que well we won’t know if Beck doesn’t play responses…

by Obey on Oct 19, 2011 8:37 AM EDT reply actions

one bad game...

besides week 1 vs the giants, can you point to a good game he had? you know where he didn’t turn the ball over and drove us for touchdowns, or one or the other?

by skinsfan28 on Oct 19, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions

i'm not even trying to say that Beck has earned the starting position

i’m just saying grossman has lost it. 3 interceptions and a final drive killing fumble vs 2 touch downs in the 2 weeks prior to a 4 interception game doesn’t give you pass for a “bad game” because it was poor game, poor game, ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

by skinsfan28 on Oct 19, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions

Yes, this is a playoff caliber team.

Running and defense can win you games, but something is wrong with Rex Grossman. He is getting worse.

I don’t have this exactly right but his QB rating has looked something like this:

Week 1: 110
Week 2: 80-something
Week 3: 70 something

Week 6: 27

I think we see where this is going.

Keeping Rex in is suicide. He better be yanked after he even looks at a Carolina defensive back.

"That's what she said!"

by iH8dallas on Oct 19, 2011 8:38 AM EDT reply actions

You have to play Rex...

If we bench Rex after a bad game, what do we do when Beck has a bad game?? Then we rotate after every series?? Another question, whats going on with our running back situation??

by Chillz on Oct 19, 2011 8:46 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

one game...

see above comment, where do people keep getting this one game thing?

by skinsfan28 on Oct 19, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions

My problem with Rex is that he is now getting people hurt.

Chris Cooley getting hurt is 100% his fault he should have been aware of Namdi streaking in on him and never threw the ball. If i was Chris I would have pile drived Rex. That was inexcusable and its not the first time he has done it. We have no large receivers that can take that kind of punishment and the only one that looks like he can is Hank and he is never active.

FYI other than the Giants he has all had bad games. the difference in the others we were able to overcome his Eff ups. Against any half decent team we wont be able to.

by Venthril on Oct 19, 2011 8:50 AM EDT reply actions

this is so weak/lame

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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions

uhh ok???

by Venthril on Oct 19, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions

Medication distribution must at 9:00am

by Obey on Oct 19, 2011 8:50 AM EDT reply actions

yea

for the people who are still arguing for Rex in any capacity……Jesus

by irishgoon on Oct 19, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions

One horrible game...

Did Beck impress that much?? He played pretty good, Beck missed open guys left and right!!

by Chillz on Oct 19, 2011 8:51 AM EDT reply actions

But Rex threw to triple coverage left and right and again and again.

"That's what she said!"

by iH8dallas on Oct 19, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions

Very true.

one question what does Rex bring? Experience is useless if you throw the ball to the wrong guys, offensive linemen can move faster than you can and have the arm of a 3rd grade girl. Also it just doesn’t seem like Rex has any drive.

John has better physical abilities and he wants to be a starter. That is what I saw on Sunday. John knows this is his shot. I will take physical ability and determination over an unmotivated turnover machine.

by Venthril on Oct 19, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions

For years this team went with the established guy.

Even if the established guy sucked or hurt the team. We did it with Portis, Galloway, the list goes on.

I’m more comfortable with the unknown Beck than the known Rex.

"That's what she said!"

by iH8dallas on Oct 19, 2011 8:52 AM EDT reply actions

People arguing for Beck and citing Joey Galloway...now I've seen everything

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by Parks Smith on Oct 19, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions

Whatever Parks, you know the point I'm making.

"That's what she said!"

by iH8dallas on Oct 19, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions

What do you think Beck is going to do???

I’m not saying Rex is on that top level but he’s 3-2! A change at QB on a 3-2 team isn’t the right thing to do. Beck couldn’t win the job from Grossman after they tried to give him the job, that should say enough there.

LMFAO @ Parks!!

by Chillz on Oct 19, 2011 9:01 AM EDT reply actions

Correction

The team is 3-2 and we would be having a different discussion if Hightower and Trent miss their tackles on the int’s that Rex threw in the Rams game

by irishgoon on Oct 19, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions

In short, I don’t think it really matters who is at the QB position. The offense is going to be a problem for the rest of the season. It seems ( to me at least) when Shanny/Allen started the rebuilding process at the end of last season, they realized they could not address all the problems/ holes on the team in one year, so they decided to focus on fixing the defense…and it has paid off. Draft picks 1 & 2 were on defense and all the primary FA signings were on defense.
Any moves they made on upgrading the offense were stop gap measures. Chester, Hightower, Gaffney have played pretty well, but they are not long term solutions. I think we will see the skins make a big push through the draft and FA to rebuild the offense next year. Hopefully that will include Jones, Barkley or another to be the future QB and fixing the offensive line.

by Redskin44 on Oct 19, 2011 9:02 AM EDT reply actions

At this point, I am okay with whoever starts.

I tend to think it might be best to start Rex again and instill some confidence in him. His teammates are standing by him, and if the coaching staff shows they believe in him as well that can do wonders for a players mentality. Start Rex but keep him on an extremely short leash. If he plays like shit in the first half, make the switch at halftime.

by jeffco01 on Oct 19, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions

exactly where I'm at.

It’s like that one time in college where one of my boys (let’s call him Men Keringolo) was all pissed off because he didn’t know which chick to take home from the bar. One looked like like Joe Jacoby and the other looked like Raleigh McKenzie. “Don’t beat yourself up about it dude….just pick one and ride it out.”

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 19, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

I'm not ok with Rex starting

I’m going to be pissed off this afternoon when he is named starter. However, it is what it is. We live with it. It like a really bad movie you take a girl to on a first date. You paid for the movie, and you don’t want to just get up and leave, especially considered it’s your first date. You just sit there, day dream a litle bit, and know in the back or your mind that it will end soon. Then you get the warm and fuzzy feeling of getting that first goodnight kiss at the end of the night.

There is light at the endo of the tunnel people………………………..we just have to wait it out a couple more months until we finally get that kiss!

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by Tiller56 on Oct 19, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions

+1

by Chillz on Oct 19, 2011 9:07 AM EDT reply actions

I’m going to fast forward to the Redskins/Panthers game recap post…..

If Beck starts and loses…all the people that said start Beck will say….
“SHANAHAN IS THE WORST!!! HIS EGO THINKS HE CAN WIN WITH TERRIBLE QBS!!! WE NEED GRUDEN OR COWHER IN HERE!!” (ie: no mention we should have stuck with Rex who had a winning record).

If Grossman starts and loses…all the people that said start Beck…..
“I TOLD YOU WE SHOULD HAVE STARTED BECK. GROSSMAN SUCKS!!!! NO ONE WILL LEARN…I KNOW MORE THAN OUR DUMMY COACHES!!!”

Sound about right?

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 19, 2011 9:10 AM EDT reply actions

I think Shanahan has earned a bit of leeway

He screwed the pooch with the donovan deal, but our Oline and Defense have both been really upgraded since he’s been here, he’ll draft a qb of the future. But first he’s gonna get the rest of the team in place.

by skinsfan28 on Oct 19, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions

Disagree. I would have only lost faith in Shanny if Grossman started again. You have to make a change after Rex has had 2 bad game plus a horrendous game.

by ATLtruth on Oct 19, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions