Ten Yard Fight: Worst...Quarterback Controversy ... EVER
by Ken Meringolo on Oct 18, 2011 11:55 AM EDT
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Print1. I absolutely hate the 24-hour circus revolving around who should start at quarterback against Carolina. I still think it should be Rex Grossman--on the shortest leash of his career. I don't favor shaking things up this early in the season when we are 3-2 and heading to play a team that our defense should be able to beat up. I am not against a move to John Beck at some point later in the season but I do not want to set the table for a month or two of flip-flopping. And don't confuse me with a "That's just Rex being Rex" guy. We can't afford another game like the one he had if we have any hopes of contending for anything in December. But this current Washington quarterback controversy is about as exciting and intriguing as watching C-Span. It's like picking which one of the Olsen twins you would rather watch in a Lifetime made-for-TV movie. Regardless of which one you pick, you're going to find yourself unable to believe that the wife-beating male protagonist ever found her tolerable enough to marry her in the first place.
2. This team is not now--nor has it been in a long time--one player away from being a world-beater. Replacing Rex Grossman with John Beck does not magically turn this Washington team into more of a contender. John Beck comes complete with his own set of faults and shortcomings. He can do some things better...probably. But can we please at least agree that moving to John Beck is not a "season-saving" decision by Mike Shanahan, if he makes it?
3. John Beck is not the "quarterback-in-waiting." He is not the "quarterback-of-the-future." We are not holding him back so he can learn as much as possible before being thrown to the wolves like so many young signal-callers in the league. He is Plan B on a rebuilding team. He is a refreshing drink of water in the middle of the desert, but very fast you realize you are not only still in the desert, you also just had that one cup. (Two Quarterbacks, One Cup...you're welcome.)
4. So much of the argument to leave Rex in can just as easily be applied to the argument to yank Rex out. If it truly is a "Why not?" season, then why not give Beck a chance, right? My biggest issue with this particular line of reasoning is that we are not in "Why not" territory at this very moment.
5. Have I mentioned lately that I am not a member of the Rex Grossman fan club? No, he is not my favorite quarterback. He is not on my fantasy team and he is not a guy who I look forward to watching in burgundy and gold for years to come. I figured I should get ahead of some of your personal attacks I am sure to be on the receiving end of in the comments section.
6. Some of you may recall that I listed Sav Rocca as a crucial part of our rebuilding. I got crushed by a wave of incredulity. How could a 37-year old punter be so integral to a rebuilding team? I have argued that experience at the specialty positions allows for the coach and general manager to focus their time and energy elsewhere. It allows them to better grade the other players on the field when you put an experienced professional in a specialized role. Here comes a leap that I will make alone I fear--I value the experience that Rex Grossman brings to our team today. John Beck is capable of doing some things, and maybe he deserves a chance to put those things on display on Sundays. But I think at this moment, Rex Grossman holds the slightest of edges based on his experience. (Oh God...here comes the wave again.)
7. You may have noticed by now that I have yet to build a very compelling case for why Rex Grossman The Player should remain our starting quarterback. You know why? Because there really isn't one. The case to be made for Rexy is thinner than the holes our offensive line opened for Ryan Torain on Sunday. The fact is that if Mike Shanahan puts John Beck under center on Sunday, the outcome of the game is not likely to be drastically different than if Rex Grossman was our starter. A good argument for switching quarterbacks is NOT "I can't stand watching Rex Grossman."
8. It should come down to whether or not John Beck gives us a better chance to beat Carolina. I don't think that answer is very clear or clean. If I am right about that, than what is the harm in bringing Beck off the bench in relief for another week, albeit much quicker than in the last game? It keeps us from hitting the panic button that is inextricably tied to changing quarterbacks. I liken it to drawing four cards in a game of five card poker (Sav Rocca obviously being our ace...haha.) Everyone else in the game knows that you have nothing. The one argument from the "Start John Beck" side that I like the most is: "It might be true that we don't need Rex Grossman to have a career-best game to beat the Panthers, but another career-worst game out of him could cause us to lose to the Panthers."
9. We are 3-2 going into a game against the Carolina Panthers. On one hand, a John Beck versus Cam Newton tilt has national attention written all over it. Hey, if you are going to start a quarterback for the first time in a season, better it be a down-on-their-luck team like Carolina instead of teams like New England or the Jets. But if Mike Shanahan ever believed that Rex Grossman was his unquestioned starter, I don't think he should pull the plug on him for one ridiculously awful performance. I mean, don't get me wrong, Rexy's showing on Sunday rivaled that of the public defender's opening arguments in "My Cousin Vinny." It was just gut-wrenchingly unbelievable. But if there was ever an opportunity to say, "Rex...this is it--one unforced error and John Beck goes in the game," this is that opportunity. If it works, WE are 4-2 with less debate headed into a tough stretch. If it fails, the issue kind of solves itself in a rather definitive fashion, because blowing a game against Carolina will be impossible for Rex to recover from, right?
10. That's right Grantland...I said "We."
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Two QBs, One Cup
Well with that image in my brain, I’m off to lunch
by Hustler of Culture on Oct 18, 2011 12:02 PM EDT reply actions
This would be a fun one to Photoshop.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 18, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
With the O-line in the state it's in...
Combined with our best blocking TE being out for a while (possibly the season), the thought of having someone as immobile as Grossman behind center is terrifying.
Logan Paulsen is out?
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The more I think about it the more I can see Rex staying as the starter
I was one of the ones that mistakenly thought Rex could be better than he has shown in the past but now we all know for certain he will always be the same way.
He will have some good games and some awful games but unless the season begins to spiral out of control with Rex at QB or Beck is showing a lot more in practice there really isn’t a great case to make for Beck coming in.
I think I agree with Ken on giving it a week or 2 before potentially making a decision.
Beck should be our QB because...
He will not throw 4 Ints in 3 quarters.
We have a chance to win every game because of our DEFENSE, and we don’t need our offense giving away free points to the other team because it is counter-productive.
It’s astonishing that our Defense was able to keep us in the game this past weekend. It felt like we were down 35, but we were within a score in the end. I think our Defense will keep us in most games, and we just need a guy under center to hand the ball off and maybe make a couple nifty plays on a scoring drive or two while limiting the turnovers which have crippled us.
by preppiejack on Oct 18, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. Beck should be the starter. Instead of throwing picks in the redzone, he might throw incompletions leading at least to a field goal attempt. Instead of throwing picks on our side of the field, he might throw incompletions leading to at least a punt by our best special teams player. At least the opponent will have to drive 70+ yards to score a td instead of 20. In summary, beck minimizes mistakes and maximizes opportunity for our offense and defense.
by AplastarCraneos on Oct 18, 2011 6:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I Don't See how we Don't go with Beck moving forward
Honestly, the difference between Rex and Beck is the athleticism and pocket awareness. We KNOW what we have wih Rex and let’s face it, it’s Not going to get any better he will continue to regress and throw interceptions and fumble the ball. Let’s pull him out while we still can and see what Beck can do honestly his arm and running ability gives us.a better chance to win. I’m not saying he is the QB of the future and I’m not saying he’ll get the job done, but give the guy a chance to show us he can lead the season because it can’t be worse than what Grossman has been doing.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Oct 18, 2011 12:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I keep hearing pocket awareness with Beck.
Did everyone miss when he stepped up too far multiple times and was clanking body parts on the oline’s helmets? Neither is good, it doesn’t matter who starts.
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
O yea for sure man, he has the poise Tom Brady and the heart of a honey badger.
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It clearly matters
The difference between Beck and Grossman is also taking a sack and not making a stupid play under pressure and to be fair Beck didn’t have Kory or Trent in there. He needs reps to refine those mistakes; However, you can’t correct decision making under pressure I see grossman regressing a la Vick did.
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Oct 18, 2011 12:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No you're absolutely correct, Beck is the son of Zeus.
I told you he has the heart of a honey badger, what more do you want.
Ovie’s chart is perfect:
1) Carolina wins and Rex is QB…fans blame Grossman.
2) Carolina wins and Beck is QB…fans still happier than scenario #1 and will probably blame one of the Shannys
3) Skins win and Rex is QB…fans will be kind of pissed, because they’ll probably have won despite Grossman
4) Skins win and Beck is QB…TOLD YA! Beck is the man, even if he hands off the whole game. :)
This is EXACTLY what is going to happen on Sunday night after the game.
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
well I'd rather lose with Beck than Grossman
Beck is a hell of a lot more fun to watch and I don’t cringe every time he throws the ball.
by TheDeepBall on Oct 18, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
You'll cringe once he throws a few worm burners.
And then you’ll cheer when he runs for a first down or two.
The worms have been feeling neglected this year.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 18, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
wait even if Rex
Wins It’s against a terrible panthers defense.
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Oct 18, 2011 12:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
O look another preemptive excuse
We have these stashed up for both QBs for Sunday now!
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
it all depends
on the quality of the QB play. We all know our defense is going to keep us in games, but if either QB does shitty, its really not going to matter in terms of the season whether or not we won
I prefer #4
Because Beck hands it off all night. I’m ok with Rex if he hands it off all night A’s well.
I think that's how they spell "as" in Oakland.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
Honey Badger don't care!
seems more like Rexy to me.
by Jim America on Oct 18, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the brain portion of the honey badger.
Rex has the brain of a honey badger, the arm of Uncle Rico, and the heart of Jeff George.
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
And the legs of present day Dan Marino.
by Jim America on Oct 18, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you kidding? He's got the legs of Marilynn Monroe
Haven’t worked in nearly 50 years.
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
Uncle Rico
could throw the ball over them there mountains
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If coach would have put him in in the fourth quarter
they’d have won state and he’d be in a hot tub somewhere soaking it up with his soulmate
by DoWork on Oct 18, 2011 3:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah. Coach woulda put me in fourth quarter, we would’ve been state champions. No doubt. No doubt in my mind.
A whole account created for one comment?
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
dont forget when he fumbled when rolled to the right
but it bounced back into his hand.
You see
Even the football gods are rooting for Beck. Can you seriously tell me Rex would’ve gotten that back?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Great!
Beck’s invisible friend is helping. Now they are sure to win.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 18, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Rex could have eaten the ball
when it was on the ground. I still don’t thinkwe would have gotten it back though
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Got to expect that to an extent
but to my eyes he definitely seemed to be better at feeling when the pocket was starting to collapse
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Oct 19, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Rex cannot be the starter again.
This reminds me of when Delhomme played had the Arizona playoff game and it just fell apart after that. Stop the bleeding now and put Beck in for the rest of the year.
"That's what she said!"
here we go...I have to give it to you...you're consistent
by Ken Meringolo on Oct 18, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha +1
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s a good reason to switch quarterbacks…
19 turnovers in Rex’s 8 career starts for the Redskins….almost 2.5 turnovers a game!!! Unless you have a track record of Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, BenRo, etc, you get benched for that…PERIOD!
I still think it should be Rex Grossman—on the shortest leash of his career.
So, you enjoy watching a 31 year old QB turn the ball over nearly 2 1/2 times per game………………bacause thats about what he’s averaged in his 8 starts as a Redskin.
I’m guessing you also enjoy Root Canals, Colonoscopys and having sharp objects jabbed into your eyes.
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Its going to be about as fun as watching a 30 year old QB turn the ball over nearly 2 1/2 times per game.
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
when has Beck done that in Recent history
You DON’T know he’ll do that and I’d rather see Beck turn it over once a game and keep us in the game than grossman not being able to give the Defense a water break.
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Oct 18, 2011 12:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But everyone is presenting the "We don't know what Beck can do" argument as FACT
I’d rather see Beck turn it over once a game and keep us in the game than grossman not being able to give the Defense a water break.
Why is this a given? Did everyone just not watch preseason? Remember the Baltimore game? Remember his 40 rating vs. Tampa Bay? Remember his 46 rating against other teams starters? Remember the Ducks he threw? I can still hear them quacking.
It’s blind faith at this point. People need to stop pointing at Beck as the definitive answer and instead admit that it would be a total experiment.
I really don’t care who starts and whomever it is I’ll support 100%. It’s just my opinion that Rex will start the game.
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone knows he's going to be an experiment
and everyone comfortable with this, because they have seen what Grossman gives this team……………………………………..nothing!
No one thinks Beck is the answer just yet, but everyone with eyes and half a brain knows Grossman is NOT the answer for this team.
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by Tiller56 on Oct 18, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess all our skill players don't have eyes or half a brain for defending their QB?
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm, if you had a horrible boss you'd probably defend him up until he got demoted too
receiver 1 rips qb for bad performance, receiver 2 says qb is still best hope. qb keeps starting gig.
qb sees receiver 1 and receiver 2 both in favorable match ups, where does he go with the ball?
To the tight end over the deep middle in triple coverage.
See what I did there?
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
What else are they going to say?
They can’t come out and say that they know they can’t win with Rex. or Beck. Just as Cooley can’t come out and complain that Rex broke his finger by leading him with that terrible pass.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 18, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Thank you! It seems pretty clear that this thing has a higher probability of spiraling downwards with Rex.
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Oct 18, 2011 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
who says he is not an experiment??
I have wanted Beck to start since the second preseason game, and my only reasoning for him has always been “he might be good or he might not be good, but we know rex is not good.”
It is possible that Beck is about the same as Rex. It is possible (but I would bet money against this) that Beck will be worse than Grossman.
If we know what we get with grossman, and it is less than ideal, then why not freaking FIND OUT what Beck can do. If he sucks then cut him at the end of the season.
He came in cold and we lead us on a TD scoring drive his second drive. VY came in and threw 1 pass that was a pick deep in his own territory. I think we guess that he might be able to do better if he practices with the first team and is given the chance to get into a rythm in a full game.
He clearly has self confidence and wants to lead. His wheels and arm strength have already been discussed. He has flaws and limitations as has also been discussed, but I think it would be really dumb to not see what he is capable of since this is still a rebuilding year and we don’t have much to lose.
Also, if decling play since the giants game, culminating into a 4 int game doesnmt lose him the starting gig, then what will?
by RobtheRedskin on Oct 18, 2011 2:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and you don't know that he wont.
Beck is pretty much a total unknown at this point and it’s impossible to predict if he will be better or worse than Rex.
by PJ_21 on Oct 18, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is it possible to be worse than Rex?
I’d just like to know what that cryteria might be.
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Exactly…let’s look at the scenarios for the possible outcomes of the Carolina game:
1) Carolina wins and Rex is QB…fans blame Grossman.
2) Carolina wins and Beck is QB…fans still happier than scenario #1 and will probably blame one of the Shannys
3) Skins win and Rex is QB…fans will be kind of pissed, because they’ll probably have won despite Grossman
4) Skins win and Beck is QB…TOLD YA! Beck is the man, even if he hands off the whole game. :)
by OvechkinGR8 on Oct 18, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
we shouldnt have to feel this way while the team has a winning record
but the phrase “rex fucking grossman” passes through my head every time this comes up. neither is a good choice and most of the sane agree. john beck has done nothing to convince anyone he is good. potential maybe but at this rate he’ll retain prospect status into his 40’s. rex fucking grossman
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man
Flawed Argument
Ken,
You and Parks stand up for Rex each and every post and then next sentence you backtrack and say that you are not his biggest fan or advocate. Take a stand already!
I for one think that we NEED to go with Beck already. I was in the bandwagon wanting a change over the BYE week. It is very obvious that there has been a definitive regression of Rex Grossman back to his statistical mean. We have 7 years worth of sample size and Rex will be who he is going to be. A leopard cannot change his spots!
No one knows what Beck can BECOME with a fair shake. He was drafted to one of the worst teams in history after all. There is no evidence that he cannot become better than Rex if given the reins. At the least his mobility is worth the risk. We know what we have in Rex, the league knows what we have in Rex, but I guarantee you teams are more concerned with the unknown asset, Beck. Give him his shot and us fans need to support him the way we have Rex.
by dlucero7 on Oct 18, 2011 12:25 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I think we've gotten this thought across a MILLION times
You and Parks stand up for Rex each and every post and then next sentence you backtrack and say that you are not his biggest fan or advocate. Take a stand already!
No one is back tracking. Do I like Rex Grossman? No. Do I think he’s a good Quarterback? No. Do I think John Beck is a good QB? HELL NO. Do I think Beck is better than Rex? No. Who do I think will start Sunday? Rex
Like I said yesterday its a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. Just because I don’t think Beck is a viable option as a starter in this league doesn’t mean I think Rex is a good QB. Pretty much NO ONE on this blog is a “fan” of Rex Grossman, but some prefer him over Beck. It’s like picking between being kicked in your left nut or your right nut, when it comes down to it it’s just going to hurt.
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
What evidence is there to say Beck is better than Grossman?
by PJ_21 on Oct 18, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He scored a TD against the Eagles.
Completed one less pass with seven fewer attempts, and oh yeah…didn’t play catch with Kurt F’ING Coleman all day.
"That's what she said!"
The ghost of Reggie White also caused him to fumble
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
At least he didn't lose it
Can’t say the same for Rex…all fumbles this year = lost
You're right it was Beck's true mormon athleticism that helped him reel that ball in
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea it was incredible...
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
no what would have been incredible is if Rex could do that
cause then this wouldn’t be a controversy.
by skinsfan28 on Oct 18, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
“The one thing that he was was prepared,” Shanahan said.
“He came in real confident,” tackle Jammal Brown said. “Guys were down. Anytime you turn the ball over it takes the air out of you. When John came in running around, doing what he does, it felt really good. It’s always a big difference anytime you’ve got a mobile quarterback. He can make things happen with his feet and give guys time for coverage to break down.”
He scrambled for the first down
He may be no more athletic than I am, but we’re both much more athletic than Rex. Watching him knock the ball out of his own hand was painful.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 18, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
so parks, since you like qb ratings
Then why donmt we compare rex’s to beck’s on Sunday and say that maybe there is a chance the he might be a better option (key word might).
I don’t know why you defend rex but state that you don’t like him, just think he is the best of 2 bad options, and then you get all sarcastic when someone points out that Beck had a TD drive and grossman had 4 int ended drives.
Do you not think that Beck out played Grossman in his limited time on Sunday?
by RobtheRedskin on Oct 18, 2011 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He just like to argue
It doesn’t matter if he believes it’s right or not
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Kind of a small sample size on Beck, no?
also, weren’t there issues with Beck not being able to get plays off in time?
I’m down with Beck starting, but let’s not pretend there’s any real evidence for him…just a fair amount of evidence against Rex.
exactly
on all counts
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
i agree, not enough to make a judgement
So put him in and find out.
by RobtheRedskin on Oct 18, 2011 5:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Until Beck gets a chance to start a few games..
..we won’t really have enough data to compare. Getting the plays dialed up in time; chemistry with the offense. These are things that can improve with reps. I don’t see Rex’s propensity for turning the ball over being corrected with time though.
If a QB change is going to happen, it might as well be now. The bye week would have been better, but who knew Rex would 1-up himself in such spectacular fashion? It’s about a month until our next division game (screw Dallas), and we need to be committed to whoever is starting then. Beck, fine. Grossman, whatever. But the team doesn’t need this distraction, and the sooner the QB controversy can be wrapped up, the sooner we can get back to being happy that this team isn’t surrounded by controversy…
which leads to the # 1 conclusion why Beck should start
we need to see more of him in order to make a decision on a starter.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
Bigot
So now we discover the real reason Parks hates Beck. In other news, Parks will not be voting for Mitt Romney.
by Art Vandalay on Oct 19, 2011 11:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lighten up....
Parks might be a lot of things, but I don’t think he is a bigot and that’s a pretty harsh word to throw around…..OK maybe he hates people named Tiller, but that doesn’t apply here.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
good point
4 fumbles – 4 lost
6 TD’s – 9 INT’s
career – 46 TD’s – 49 INT’s
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Please tell me how he could be any worse?
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Worse than Sunday?
he probably can’t be but over the course of a season he could. It’s unlikely Rex plays as bad as he did on Sunday again (we all knew deep down he was probably going to have a game like this) and there’s nothing to suggest that Beck is capable of anything good.
We all know were screwed either way and we were never going to be better than around 8-8 regardless of whos at QB so the way some people seem to think Beck is going to be the saviour are being moronic. I don’t think it makes a whole lot of difference who is in so i’m not going to argue either way strongly I just don’t think it’s as clear cut as saying Beck has to start now.
No
It’s unlikely Rex plays as bad as he did on Sunday again
He’ll be as bad or worse. Defenses know he is no threat to him so they are putting extra people in the box and jumping all the routes. His play will only get worse if he ever sees the field again.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 18, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i completely disagee. if rex had thrown 4 ints per game regularly
he wouldnt be a QB in the NFL. SUndays game was tied for his worst in his career. give him a break. tom brady and vick have both thrown 4ints this season. they havent been pulled.
(disclaimer) not saying in any way that rex is vick or brady.
just being realistic. we were playing a team with asomugha, samuels, and DRC. would you really have expected him to put up 400 yards?
You cannot be serious
You just compared Grossman to Brady and Vick. All credibility ends there.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 18, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
haha thats y i put the disclaimer. i knew someone would say something
dumb like what you did. im saying bad days happen. no reason to cause a huge change up in teh team for 1 (very) bad game.
You sir obviously know no history what-so-ever on Grossman
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i wonder how much u guys know about football in general
changing QBs in a game works because the defense has been playing the entire game with 1 guy and another gutys comes in and plays differently. its confusing.
when u start that same QB the next week you are giving the next team to prepare for that QB. beck will not look as you guys want. im saying be patient
by mrhinton on Oct 18, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is no need for patience
Rex will throw that pick very quickly. Only takes him a couple of opportunities.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 18, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
This is an interesting question
i wonder how much u guys know about football in general
Played it since I was 7 up through college
Coach it
Scout it
Write about it
Helped contribute to the Redskins Annual by Maple Street Press
Am friends with players close to the organization
Am I qualified?
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Well
I listen to Tim and Pat on Sirius NFL Radio. Makes me an expert. They patiently explained to me last year before the season that McNabb was better than Campbell, despite similar stats, because he was a “winner”.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 18, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The one good game to start the season was the aberration
not the bad games since. He has gotten worse every single game.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 18, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
give him a break
What?????? Are you insane?
Rex has been a turnover machine his entire career; a lot of the times these turnovers came at key times in a game, when he had an opportunity to win a game. It’s not like they took place in garbage time, when his team was down by 3 TD’s.
Get real!
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look. this offenseive line(whats left of it) has practiced with grossman behind center
they can predict what he will do and how he will react to a situation. they havent had time to learn beck. thats will cause turnovers man. think about what you guys are saying.
they dont know when he will step up, when he will scramble. im not saying rex is THE QB for the team. im saying that he is the best alternative
yeah it's easy to predict that the guy will stay still
or move slowly for 10 feet before getting creamed
Slowly backwards
You mean slowly backwards. Any sign if defenders in the backfield, and Rex starts dropping back further and further. You think we’ve seen THE WORST of Rex? Wait til he gets a safety when the line of scrimmage is the 20 yard line.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
man, I'm trying to hear ya
but……………………………..Actually I lied. This is absurd.
. i
m saying that he is the best alternative
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If we could somehow
get Rex to stop trying to be the hero and play extremely vanilla then maybe he would work. I just don’t see someone with his arrogance to operate like that.
This may be the reason why he did fairly solid the first few games (short leash). Once he gets the inflated ego he gets, he tries to do too much and we have games like Sunday.
I still think Beck can be more humble and operate within the system and be a game manager with potential upside.
The announcers in that game
kept going back to how Rex told them he was playing well. Like he was proud of how he had been playing. Rex clearly is in a state of denial, and it continued after the game when he blamed his receivers for his bad plays. I didn’t here him credit the receiver who committed offensive pass interference to stop an interceptions.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 18, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
This
I understand the argument that QBs need to have a short memory, but in Rex’s case he needs to fucking remember and correct.
Good Point
Haven’t heard him give credit to anybody. Too big of a head for his own good man
I HAVE
Heard him give credit. He gave credit for his INT’s to Davis and Gaffney.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
context...don't abuse it
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Yeah Brady threw 4 picks against the Bills.
The problem is we all know Rex is a turnover machine. How many turnovers does he have in the 9 games he’s played with us? A ridiculous number. You’re comparing 2 different things. That argument shouldn’t be used.
Putting Rex in the same conversation as Brady
is like putting a hot dog on the same plate with a Filet Mignon.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
He'd have to average 3 turnovers per game
over the season to be worse than Rex
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Exactly my point
Neither QB has been presented as the savior of this team but I just don’t understand why we would all even be interested in starting Rex anymore. I am will to see what Beck can do….if he stinks it up well then we finally have to admit that we have two guys that suck! Right now we have one that sucks and one that we don’t know too much about!
If you keep doing what you have always done (Rex) you are gonna keep getting what you’ve always gotten (turnovers).
At Fedex Sunday I asked everyone if they could ever name 1 team in the history of the NFL where not one single fan owned a jersey for our starting QB. We got nowhere fast. I mean, I’ve even seen Beck jerseys.
"It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear." - Norm Peterson
by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 18, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
Tebow is the top selling jersey in the league (or close to it—I can’t remember what I read).
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
Think he was referring to Orton
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Gotcha.
To be fair, I don’t know why anyone would buy an Orton jersey when they could just buy a shirt with his picture on it instead. That beard is awesome.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
How can anyone in their right mind
perfer Grossmen over Beck? Actually, how can anyone in their right mind want Rex starting over ANY QB in the NFL.
The only leg you could possible stand on to defend this would be the “he knows the playbook” arguement………………………….and you see how far thats gotten him.
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I'd rather start Beck at this point...
but to be fair, another defense for Rex would be that his short/mid range accuracy has been better, both in preseason and real games.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
Rex has done some things very well......
he does have pretty good chemistry with Gaf and Moss on those routes, but i think the reason that we have seen that diminish is that the safeties have realized that they don’t have to respect the deep ball…not that big of a deal if the receivers get behind them.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
Agreed.
I think this is definitely a factor. I also agree with the guy below that Beck isn’t as good at putting nice touch on a throw as Rex.
I really don’t think the difference between the two QBs is a big as some are making it out to be, but I’d go with Beck right now.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
I'll tell you what. Beck will be a redzone nightmare. He can't make some of the fade throws Rex made to tana
and Gaff, where the ball got there just in time. That’s what worries me about Beck. He’s no Michael Vick, so he
I seriously doubt Beck would play worse than Grossman.
Other than Kerry Colins, Grossman has the worst QB rating in the NFL.
"That's what she said!"
by iH8dallas on Oct 18, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Oct 18, 2011 12:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll second
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Sadly, this is not the worst QB controversy ever
- Shane Matthews vs Danny Wuerffel
- Raiders in 2008: JaMarcus, Marques Tuiasosopo, Andrew Walter
I’m sure there’s more. Cowboys and Ravens had some really bad eras too.
"It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear." - Norm Peterson
I'd take
Tuiasosopa over either one of our guys.
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I think so?
Well, part of it for sure. It was Grossman v Orton, then Grossman got shipped out, then Orton traded for Cutler.
At least
We won’t give up two 1sts for an aging Carson Palmer. Are we actually sure that Al Davis died? Too soon?
Raiders motto remains…“Commitment to Flatulence”
by OvechkinGR8 on Oct 18, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG... the Raiders lost their mind!
They just gave up their future… can you imagine not having a 1st rd pick until 2014?
For Carson Palmer?
actually I think you are too late....
someone else beat you to it.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
Bench Rex
this isnt a case of a player having one wretched game, but rather the slow deterioration over a 5 game stretch to start the season.. truly, only against the Giants did Rex look remotely solid.. Even though we won 2 more games, Rex continued to worsen. The Philly game was winnable with a caretaker, or game manager. It was lost because of Rex’s turnovers and failures to get the ball into the endzone.
I dont think that Beck represents a dramatic increase in quality, but he does bring better mobility, and better pocket awareness than Rex. Plus, he has to understand that the only way he can separate himself from Rex and insure he remains starter is NOT to commit turnovers. He is more likely to play within his abilities, something Rex has never been able to do
This game is critical to the season as a whole. Start Beck
+1
I cringe. It’s equivalent to hearing scratching from a chalkboard.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Oct 18, 2011 1:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
damn you SBNATION for deleting my 4 paragraph long reason and stat filled arguement.... now you just get this:
I want Beck to start, 7 interceptions and 1 fumble in 3 games is not worth the 2 td’s Rex gave us. If it was close during the offseason, I want to see what Beck can do in a game, I don’t think you can judge Beck from 4 year old film of a rookie qb on the worst team in the league. If he gets equal or more td’s than turnovers we win the carolina game. plain and simple.
1 more thing:
With beck under center i bet we will see improvements in the following categories:
Screen Passes
Running Yards per Carry
Maybe we can trade him
I mean, Carson Palmer just went to the Raiders for not one but TWO first round picks. Quick, before the deadline!
It was 2 1st rounders?
Holy Shit, I missed that one………………………….fukin Raiders
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Was a 1st and 2nd in 2013 that could turn into 1st
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a 2012 first and a conditional 2013 first.
Why can’t THE REDSKINS fleece the Raiders like that?
by TheDeepBall on Oct 18, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
we have no one to fleece anyone with
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in general you are correct....
but we are talking about a 1st and a 2nd for Carson Palmer…..rational thought no longer applies.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
Making excuses for Grossman is like being in a bad marriage.
You want to stay with the woman you hate because you are afraid that there is onbody else for you. All the while you simply slip into a life full of hate and anger.
F_ck the new chick in the backseat of your car!
"That's what she said!"
ladies and gentlemen
he’ll be here all week!
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Where have their been excuses? Can you show me?
You don’t think if Beck starts and lays an egg this whole blog won’t be filled with a barrage of excuses?
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you show me the excuses regarding Rex and casting blame elsewhere?
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
do not repost article in comments section ih8dallas
we understand your stance…also, be aware that today you are calling one side full of “excuses” and the other full of “reasons”
This is not as black and white as you suggest it is. We know how you feel.
by Ken Meringolo on Oct 18, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Problem is...
…the new chick might have AIDS, and you’re not packing condoms.
Again, I hope Beck does well, but I have seen absolutely nothing (including his time in Miami, I watched him play there) that gives me any indication that Beck will take better care of the ball than Rex. That’s why this pro-Beck bandwagoning may lead to increased suicide rates amongst some Redskins fans.
by The Agent C 83 on Oct 19, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
How is there any support for Rex at this point?
I don’t think Beck will be good, but how is there any hope that Rex would be better? At this point, Rex is so bad that the run offense just got shut down by one of the worst run defenses in the league because they knew Rex couldn’t possibly beat them with the pass.
Rex Grossman = A worse version of Jeff George. All Beck has to do is be Tony Banks for it to be a massive improvement.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 18, 2011 12:43 PM EDT reply actions
There isn't
at least amongst the sane
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The only reason
This is the worst controversy ever, is the fact that people still think Grossman should start. Beck has looked better than Grossman from the preseason until now.
Is Beck a savior? No. Is he a better option than Grossman? Absolutely!
I FEEL LIKE I’M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!!
HEY! If you were a hotdog, would ya eat yourself?
by jellis113 on Oct 18, 2011 12:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm just gonna say it...
Perfomance aside…I would much rather take a classy dude like Beck to represent my beloved team than some prick like Grossman. Couldn’t stand him in Chicago cause of his arrogance so you can imagine my disgust when we found out he was our starting QB. And after this last game he was blaming some of his INTS on other players.
Grossman is lucky that he is buddy buddy with Shanny Jr. or I don’t think that he would have gotten a chance here in D.C. cause he is not of the “high character” mold that Shanny Sr. likes.
So you're saying you had preconceived notions surrounding the whole debate, awesome..
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Gave him a chance
As a real fan I have supported for him and cheered for him to do well every week. And as a real fan, I realize that we don’t have to put up with his arrogance nor do we have to put up with his abysmal performance that is getting progressively worse every week.
I didn't cheer for him this week.
I shouted at Grossman like a bad dog, and screamed like a maniac for Beck to be put in.
I agree with this 100%.
Beck was there for the lockout practices, giving playbooks to rookies and practiced ofseason with Brees and Rodgers. What did Rex do other than get fat?
"That's what she said!"
He's not fat
he’s festively plump.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 18, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
He’s not fat, he’s big-boned
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Why do people keep saying this?
“the way some people seem to think Beck is going to be the saviour are being moronic. "
-————————————————-
I think we just want to see anyone but Rex. Shit, where’s Todd Collins?
HTTR!
by mkjo on Oct 18, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
But Beck is a savior.
He gets us off this train. There is currently no one else on the active roster that can take Grossman’s place, so Beck is it. I’d gladly watch Beck suck and learn to hate him, rather than keep building on my ample file of vitriol for Grossman.
Shanahan always preaches that there is always open competition for every spot in the lineup.
If that’s true, then Rex earned himself a spot on the bench with 4 Ints in 3 Quarters. Period.
No
he should have been given the opportunity to redeem himself in the fourth. You’ve got to allow at least 6 picks before you bench a guy. You think the patriots would have bench Tom Brady?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 18, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
again
people comparing Rex to Brady. GTFO
by prc805 on Oct 18, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's called sarcasm
HEEELLLOOO?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 18, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The play that just killed me was the series after D Hall picked VY.
We were right there in the redzone, could have changed the game completely….but Rex put the defense back on the field.
Honestly, how can you stop anyone when the defense is out there all the time?
"That's what she said!"
Bottom line is the article is right, in theory.
But it’s Rex Grossman so fuck it. This is a rebuilding year so we need to see which man will be our best backup of the future.
HTTR!
by mkjo on Oct 18, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
so how about this. rather than critiquing rex lets look at the few beck snaps
i specifically remember him on 2 instances he could have caused turnovers.
one one play beck rolls out to the left because his first read isnt open. he proceeds to get him from behind and loses control of the ball but luckily he falls on the ball. that could easily be a turnover.
then on the go route to stallworth where stallworth drops the ball, the ball sits in the air for a good 2 hours. the ball was on the air so long the defender had time ot catch up with stallworth(who had already beaten him).
Rex’s first pick to davis happened because the ball sat in the air for a half second too long.
everyone is willing to pull the plug. im saying be smart. everything about the offense is set up to work around rex grossman. changing qb’s over this one week is a bad idea. if this were the BYE i would be more receptive. but carolina is a winable game. i want to win it. i feel like the best way to win is with grossman.
That's two plays.
Did those two plays hurt us? Did that ball hit Stallworth right in the chest?
What about the positive plays he made?
"That's what she said!"
for me the way the plays unfolds is almost as important as the result
im saying fundamentally, beck is not as good as rex. and if we truly want a vanilla, run first offense where it the QB protects the ball, beck is not the choice.
while he was playing it felt like rather than letting the play break down he would break down the play to make osmething happen. that works sometimes. but much of the time it ends badly.
I honestly don't know how you see it this way.
You mention a QB that protects the ball. Rex Grossman is the antithesis of QB that protects the ball.
"That's what she said!"
on one drive he litterally could have caused two turnovers
man i was yelling “grossman is a bum” the whole game sunday. and i was just as excited when i saw beck come out and score.
but im saying beck’s style is not safe, especially when we are trying to keep winning. id rather my qb throw a pick down the field than have my qb roll out, fumble and the other team run it back for a TD
on one drive he litterally could have caused two turnovers
How in the hell can you “litterally” could have caused something.
He either caused a turnover, of he didn’t
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Hey, give him a break.
His post literally could have made sense.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
That was Grossmans 1st play for the Skins
I think he was warming the fans up to things yet to come.
by hambonejackson on Oct 18, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you tell me
how Rex “protects” the football with 3 multi-turnover games so far?
Y'all should keep going over this again and again and again and again
Some think Rex should start, Some think Beck should start. We need to get over and respect those opinions instead of trying to crucify everyone that thinks Rex would start.
All I ask, is that if Beck starts and lays an egg, then I don’t want to hear a single excuse.
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What else is there to talk about?
This is a blog about the Redskins, with an article about the starting QB. People will go back and forth on this.
"That's what she said!"
But you're not going back and forth, its just two parties slamming their heads agains the wall.
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I don't know how else to say it.
But Rex is the worst I’ve seen. I can’t come up with one reason he should start Sunday.
"That's what she said!"
I think we've already received that message from you.
I don’t know how else to say it.
Don’t say it, we get it, we got it yesterday
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Not much else to do
when your options are a QB that managed to get himself replaced after going to the Super Bowl and a 30 year old 5th year player who hasn’t played since the 2 QBs ahead of him on the depth chart went down to injury on one of the worst teams in football history.
Head-smashing it is.
Talk about the defense
talk about the Panthers
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I'm with you Parks
I believe in healthy debate. People prove a point and someone else counterpoints. People do this to each other. It’s not a personal attack.
My view is…give someone enough rope to hang themselves with. I believe that Rex did that with his perpetual INTS and now if it was indeed a “close” competition in the preseason, Beck deserves his chance to sink or swim. I would love it if either could do well so that WE as ’Skins fans can enjoy the ride
I think rex will start...
though as a fan I’d rather see Beck. That’s most of my thoughts on the subject haha
during the preseason i was pulling for beck to win the QB spot
but now that we have chosen that grossman is the QB, let him b QB. im saying let rex play. regardless of the pickfest we have witnessed over the past six weeks we still have a winning record. there is an art to that i think as weird as it sounds. if you throw a pick while driving the ball down the field the opposing offense has to drive all the way down the field to score.
if the QB fumbles, the other offense gets the ball at the spot of the fumble. that to me is a much worse turnover.
i think beck is more likely to cause hte fumble variety of turnovers.
I believe that if you are benched
you have to come back and earn your spot back. In professional sports the attitude that a position is guaranteed is a horrible place to be. Complacency is the worst thing a rebuilding team can have.
IF Grossman earns back his spot in Shanny’s eyes with good productive practice then I will back him up as I have thus far. I have merely stated that it is my own personal believe that Beck can/will do better with an opportunity and backing.
That's a very valid argument.
A lot better than ih8 screaming about Beck.
We’ll see what happens tomorrow. I’m excited for Sunday regardless of who starts.
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Agreed
But, let me ask you, how many games does Beck have to manage well before you give him credit? I’m not talking about playing WELL, I’m saying manage. Let’s say he goes 3-2 the next 5 games, yet averages just ONE turnover a game?
Believe me, I understand yours and Kens point. Neither guy is any good. I’m biased because I’ve NEVER liked Grossman. I decided once the decision was made I wouldn’t complain about it. But after 19 turnovers through 8 games in a Skins uni, I can’t do it anymore.
Like I said, your argument is perfectly reasonable. Beck could be just as bad. But in my opinion, it is highly unlikely. Rex has been getting worse and worse each game. Now we have Buffalo looming, who is very opportunistic. We think pretty much half as many INT’s as completions is bad? I think it could, and would, get worse if Rex remains.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I'll imediately give him credit.
People think I hate Beck. If he’s our starter then I’m giving him 100% support, I just don’t think he should be our starter.
It’s not like if Beck comes in then I’m going to root against him, if he does great then that means the Skins did great, and then I’m great.
Don’t confuse my Grossman opinion for Beck hate.
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Glad to hear
But it was a fair question, because I heard someone say during the game something like " great, everyone should be happy now that John Beck is in." And, " big deal, so he ran for a touchdown."
Again I don’t remember the exact words, but they went something like that. I just don’t see the point in that. Just sounded like someone was rooting against Beck.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I was laughing, crying, and cheering
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Did you Hershey squirt?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Thats F'in gross
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Hey, he did it
Not me
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
what happens when the same old Rex comes out for the Carolina game?
Would you want Beck to start week 8 against the Bills and then the 49ers?
I asked this same question a few articles back yesterday...
haha and no one has discussed it yet. Im with you on this statement. Do we knock off the Beck rust in Carolina so he’s not going blind into the Bills? I would think so.
You have to.
Carolina will put up points if you turn the ball over.
If Rex starts that game we lose.
"That's what she said!"
So if Shanny comes out tomorrow and says Rex is starting, are you going to watch the game?
Because I wouldn’t if I were you.
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Of course...
we’re redskins fans aren’t we? I cringe at the thought of missing a game win or lose haha
I'm just saying with a definitive statement like ih8 always makes then why watch the games.
He already made his game prediction, but now it’s changing? If he’s so sure that this game is sealed with Rex starting then why bother watching?
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It's a disease.
During the game Sunday, I apologized to my wife for the fact that she married a Redskins fan and that I made her subject to the mental torment that comes along with that.
We're definitely fans, but I also think fans carry hope with them every game.
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My problem is, we have totally forgotten the Washington Redskins and made this Beck or Grossman
It’s like either one is a definitive answer or a piece to puzzle. We’re totally neglecting the other 50 players all together. The team loses the game and the team wins the game, I think the FO and team finally understand that and support the notions, but not us fans by a longshot.
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Yeah..
I saw this year as a building up around a QB position and I think that we have succeeded greatly in that respect. Improvement was always the key to this season in my eyes. So Beck or Grossman won’t change that success. Im really excited for April and the draft.
I was just stating my opinions on this subject
because we are in the “Quaterback Controversy” post
No that's perfectly fine, I'm not calling you out or anything.
I just think a lot of people have forgotten that this was a football team. Like I said yesterday, on Sunday even down 20-0 I had an odd sense of serenity around me, it was kind of nice. I know what Rex is, there is no reason, at this point in my life, to get pissed or throw things at the TV. It’s out of my control.
I believe this franchise, as a whole, is going in the right direction for the first time in a VERY VERY long time, and that makes me happy.
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I had that same feeling
I’m sure the little wife was thankful for that too! I was the more subdued than I have ever been considering the INTS and the loss. I know there are better days ahead and I find solace in that.
on that note
I’ve always had a want to see what Beck could do, but the timing has to be right. And I think that Mike won’t make that change this week. Though, if he does I may crack a small smile and wish Beck all the luck.
We know the defense can play
so the offense needs work. Our left side of the line is mush and despite everything, this is a passing team. So , the QB position is important. We know how well Grossman plays for opposing teams. lets see what Beck can do. I always felt that Beck is the guy Shanahan wanted to get out there and I always felt Grossman will figure out a way to get him out there.
by hambonejackson on Oct 18, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we should get past the prelimiminaries
.and start Crompton. He looks ready to me.
I would be OK with Jeff George…at least I could laugh.
"It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear." - Norm Peterson
by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 18, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
George may have been the worst QB I've ever seen in a game
Redskins fan guide to Jeff George at QB:
1) Line up under center.
2) Look scared
3) Take the snap
4) Look at the pass rush
5) Consider fumbling the ball in hope of not getting sacked
6) Look for a comfy spot to get sacked
7) Jump on the comfy spot
8) Get sacked.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 18, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought George had a great arm but
had personality problems – self-centered. I remember one devastating play when he fumbled at a crucial time and did not try hard to recover it. John Madden absolutely excoriated him over that – “that’s all you have to know about Jeff George”.
Thought?
George may have had the best arm ever ,at least top 5. But that’s all he had.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Funny thing is, a number of those young QBs we snubbed in the draft
are playing well. Like Andy Dalton (who many on HH sneered at) leading the Bengals to victories. And Newton, Gabbert, Ponder ready to move in.
Like Andy Dalton (who many on HH sneered at) leading the Bengals to victories
Take a closer look at who he’s beatten
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FOUR NFL teams...
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That's so weak Tiller...
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So is your picture of Abe Lincoln beating his dead horse
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You must have been a history major...
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Tiller and Parks fighting????
"It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear." - Norm Peterson
by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 18, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha +1
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I'll respond for Tiller:
“haha and Parks is the horse”
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Ended up Poly Science
but yes, at one point I was an EDU major in Social Studies
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Social studies?
what are you, some sort of Communist?
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 18, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is social studies bad?
I wanted to teach kids.
and by the way, who gave this a rec?………………..Parks, was that you again. You know I can tell your keystrokes.
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Ughh
Yer teaching kids? Please not in Derwood. Please?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Oct 18, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
COME HERE KIDS I WANT TO TEACH YOU!
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Best van ever?
You’re funny.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
Social studies
Social, socialist, communist. Just a bad joke.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Oct 18, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
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There it is!!!!!
I knew it was coming
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What I'm tired of talking about the Olsen twins debate with Ken, we talked about it all weekend over the phone.
BEATING A DEAD HORSE KEN! WE ALL KNOW IT’S ASHLEY!
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Do you think this is how Grossman feels
this week, with him being the horse, and the man being the media?
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I kind of look at it from the standpoint of you being the horse and the man being spellcheck.
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I don't use spell check on my HTC EVO
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You've turned into quite a name dropper today, cell phone would of sufficed haha
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I didn't want you to think
I had one of the old flip phones where you has to press #2 3x to get to letter c.
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I simply couldn't survive without Tiller and Parks going at it
It really is great because neither of them ever takes it personally and they both dish it out so well.
by Ken Meringolo on Oct 18, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't ask the rest of the team to go out and play for Rex again.
Of course his older friends like Santana and Jabar will publicly support him, but everyone else on the team is working so hard. You can’t have a QB in there who just threw four bad interceptions in one game.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Great point smuts, I think the best decision is whatever is best from a locker room standpoint. I really don't know who that is though
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Hopefully Shanahan has a sense of the situation and is going with the best QB for the players themselves.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Or we could abandon the QB position altogether...
Just have a Helu/Torain backfield until Hightower is better.
I randomly wonder sometimes what may have happened.
if the McNabb situation hadn’t gotten worse. I’m not in any way validating McNabb, but for purely scientific study I wonder what he would have looked like under this years team.
Everyone hated Campbell, that's our fault
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Maybe bring in Randle El and install the wildcat
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Let's go get Donovan McNabb back from the Vikings
I hear the going rate for old, washed up QBs is a 2012 first round pick and a 2013 2nd round pick (conditional first). The Redskins have been known to make that kind of move before, why not now?
Two firsts for Cutler! Two firsts for Sanchez!
Two firsts for Ochocinco! A first for Lance Briggs!
So many awesome trades we passed up recently.
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It makes me want to throw up
Remembering all those trades that didn’t go through. All the Super Bowls that we could’ve been to if we had those players on our team………….
(sarcasm font)
Cutler has played lights out in his last two games.
Just watch the Detroit game. He got nothing from his offense, dropped passes, stuffed run, bad protection. He was throwing darts all day. I think Cutler’s gonna turn out to be a lot better quarterback, once Chicago starts getting O-line pieces.
Randle El would fair catch the snap!
by DudleyDoright on Oct 18, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
supposed to be a rec not a flag....
thats the second time that’s happened, the first I assumed it was user error this time I am sure it was not.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
Was that sarcasm?
Or a rare moment of genuine seriousness from Parks?
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
Obama sucks!
Figured I’d say something less controversial than an argument for Rex or Beck.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
SON OF A B....
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Didn't Rick Perry play football?
or was he just a cheerleader?
by hambonejackson on Oct 18, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I think all he did was streak across the field at halftime.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Oct 18, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Toby Keith played Football
college and Semi-pro
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You leave Toby outta this
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Oct 18, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love Toby Keith
Not “love” in the way you may think I mean "love, but “love” in the way, like, ……man, I “love” that dude, or like the dude get a ton of “love” sent his way by me……………………………..but not “that” kind of “love”, just the respect kind of “love”.
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It's OK dude
This is the 21st century. It’s widely accepted.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Oct 18, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not if it's Toby it isn't.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Oct 18, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Toby
I was talking about Tiller, and his “feelings”
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I saw him in concert
and took of my boxers and passed them up on stage……………….then I blacked out
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I wish I knew how to do the "there I fixed it for you" trick
“then he blacked out”
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Hankerson
Davis can’t pass defend and Gaffneys arms aren’t 10 yards long, Hankerson is the key to the team. Bring in Hankerson!
Hank really needs to see PT. I agree with John Keim that a lot of our red zone struggles are
because we don’t have any dangerous offensive weapons who can make special plays in a crowded field.
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Red zone?
How many of those throws to Davis did Rex make with Calvin Johnson in mind? We just don’t have a receiver (or tight end) who can go up and get the ball like that. Nothing to be ashamed of, plenty of teams don’t. But we can’t run plays like we do.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I think Hankerson MIGHT have the potential to
We just don’t have a receiver (or tight end) who can go up and get the ball like that.
Of course it’s hard to tell with him not getting any action whatsoever.
Probably
The problem is, he can’t grab the easy 10 yard hitch. Until he can catch the ball more consistently, he’s a liability.
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Get Nick Cole. Move Monty back to center.
Brown to LT, Locklear to RT. That’s a decent line.
by horatius on Oct 18, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will concur
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Nope, did you really think we were going to be that organized?
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To be honest I am a bit more concerned about the lack of running game
I think it won’t really matter too much whether it is Grossman or Beck if our running game performs like last week. Really hope the Shannys are working hard on figuring out ways to get more yards on the ground against Carolina or we could be in for another ugly game…..
Here's one way:
undo the injuries from last week.
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we might have abetter running game
if Kyle would commit to it.
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Christian Ponder
gets the start in Minnesota via NFL.com
tough first game...Packers D.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 18, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He'll make some mistakes
but he’s got legs and far more in the brain department than Don Burgun—- er, Purple could ever dream of having. Christian’s gonna be alright. He’ll get slaughtered a few times by Matthews & Co and the Vikings are going down hard, but this is the right mood. Gotta play the best to learn how to beat the best.
What upset me the most, and still upsets me is that this is a playoff, division winning team.
We had the chance to not only bury Philly, but hold onto first place.
Even if we settle for field goals on two or three of those drive it’s ok.
Hopefully we rebound against Carolina, their defense can’t get off the field.
"That's what she said!"
Giving Grossman another chance...
is BS. It’s also BS that we expect him to do a halfway decent job. In his career, he’s never had a year with more TDs than turnover. But because he’s our guy now, we expect that to change, right ? Just like we expected McRib to stop throwing the ball into the ground for no apparent reason.
Play Beck and replace Grossman at backup with the first halfway decent guy we can drag in off the street.
by SAP_Pete on Oct 18, 2011 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
McNabb is still throwing at ankles
which is why he got benched….. again for Christian Ponder.
Using the same logic that Austin came in at the same time as Beck, because they practice together...
I wonder if Hankerson would come in Sunday, I assume they practice together.
"That's what she said!"
Sweet
so we’ll be seeing a WR trio of Austin, Paul and Hank, with Helu at RB, and Beck at QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yea………so happy!
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Beck said that he was very comfortable throwing to Austin because they practice together. Austin will get playing time now and do well with Beck at qb.
This is why Santana is pushing for Rex. It amazes me how some of you defend Rex. He is making mistakes with our O-line blocking pretty well. Some of you hated Jason Campbell and he was playing behind a o-line as flimsy as fold up chairs.Jason Campbell was a true Redskin. He took a beating for this team and nobody appreciated. Rex has been in this same offense under Kyle for at least 3 yrs now. What does that mean? Jason Campbell had a new offense to learn every year that he was here.
by LETJASONPASS on Oct 18, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Excuse me but...
And don’t confuse me with a “That’s just Rex being Rex” guy. We can’t afford another game like the one he had if we have any hopes of contending for anything in December.
*You know his history.
*You know he’s almost averaging 2 turnovers a game for his starting career.
*You know he’s going to do it again if he’s put back as the starter.
*If you want any hopes of contending in December then you CAN’T put him back in because he removes all hope.
Beck may not be the answer either. but you won’t know unless you play him. Rex you know too well. Me I’ll take my chances with the “rookie”.
Beck could be the next Todd Collins if they are lucky
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Hello,
Pleasant day were having here isn’t it? How the weather where you are? Beautiful………………..oh great, glad to hear it.
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Sheesh
Nobody gave me this kinda welcome when I first got here.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Join the club
When I first got here there was practically no one to welcome me at all. There were literally about 5 people on HH at most on a daily basis so don’t feel bad, I didn’t get a welcome either.
Welcome back!
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Yeah ,the site has definitely grown
I just remember there was this one guy who came on, right around the time I got here, who was a real a**hole. I mean, a complete douche. I don’t think anyone ever REALLY liked him, so I guess he took off. His name was RVA-something or another.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Wow, I remember that prick
Everyone tried to act nice around him every once in a while but I’m pretty sure we all wanted to punch that douche right in the mouth on several occasions. But thank god he’s gone now. HH was sooooo much worse off when he was around.
Yeah, I wonder whatever happened
To that guy. I imagined him being parked in an RV somewhere and some big hairy dude with an ear on his forehead and three fingers on one hand snatches him up and now he’s living in a cave under a mountain somewhere wearing a tutu and serving buncakes to the inbred ogre.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
That seems most likely to have happened
Although I have thought at one point that he would’ve been hanging in his RV while in the process of losing his virginity to a guy named Big Jim and then suddenly robbed for his life savings, (all $12) permanently scarring him and causing him to never return to HH and to continue living his life by sucking his thumb every chance he gets, using a pretty pink bow on the back of his ponytail, and wearing a tutu complete with a magical wand in between the days he put on his mother’s dress.
I could see your situation happening to him too though. But either way he ends up wearing a tutu. That part’s a given.
THAT GUY SUCKED!!!!
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
#11. we are not the Raiders
Anymore!!!!! Hurray!!!
yeah because
unfortunately, our owner won’t die.
by TheDeepBall on Oct 18, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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on a side note about that...
Do you think they made that HORRIBLE DEAL to gain a little momentum to move the team to LA?
Keys to beating Panthers.
1. Stop Steve Smith with DeAngelo and Atogwe.
2. I think Fletch will do fine against Shockey, with Landry covering Olsen.
3. Blitz Cam Newton, they don’t have the receivers to hurt us like Philly.
4. Run the ball and screen. Carolina has a weak front 4, linebackers and well, their defense is hurt from top to bottom.
5. If Armstrong is healthy, go deep with him early.
"That's what she said!"
I wonder if we'll see
a D . Hall – Steve Smith cage match.
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I am getting bored
with the Beck and Grossman thing. I think some of the Redskin cheerleaders should be benched.
So our defense should "beat up" Carolina?
What happened to Green Bays defense?
West Springfield Spartans OUTSIDE LB #47
HTTR
by SpartanFS47 on Oct 18, 2011 2:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Frustrating being a skins fan
Im seriously on my last leg as a Redskins fan. When will we ever have a QB worth something? IM sick of seeing other teams get their man at QB and year after year we are stuck with these duds!
by beerbellystinker on Oct 18, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
I think a QB change can only be made now.
If not, this will be a distraction every week. The media are talking about it and every Redskins player will be asked, “Rex or Beck?” Shanny needs to stop this from getting out of hand and just make the change.
"That's what she said!"
My God You Blog Writers Are Blind
John Beck is the answer right now. He’s twice the QB Rex is. He has twice the arm. He has twice the mobility. HE MAKES PLAYS. Man, it’s mind-boggling to me that you guys can’t see this. I said this two weeks ago on here how awful Rex was and all you guys kept saying were, “Rex manages the game. Our run game and our defense are the staples.” It’s such horseshit. So now, all of a sudden Rex isn’t the answer, but Beck sucks too? I can’t wait til another 2 weeks from now you guys are writing about how good Beck is and how he should start the rest of the year.
He has twice the arm.
That is pretty good form. Rex’s at least doesn’t do that weird hand thing. Need to stay tall!!
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 18, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
For the record, I said we should go with Beck vs CAR.
Charlotte is basically a home game for Redskins…heavy Skins fan base there. So, the 3% of people saying not to start Beck on the road…that theory doesn’t apply either. Plus that D stinks.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 18, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The Panthers fans are non-existent.
I live in Durham and know three Panthers fans.
"That's what she said!"
You know the Panthers play in Charlotte, not at Durham Bulls Athletic Park
Just wanted to make sure you’re not showing up at the same place like Tiller
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The Durham Bulls have a bigger following than the Panthers.
Plus there is a cool sports bar that hangs over left field at the DBAP.
"That's what she said!"
DBAP isthe only reason I would ever intentionally go to Durham and get out of the car.....
I have had some good times there.
Last time I was in Durham I got stabbed in the chest with a screwdriver.
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Are you saying Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Say what you want
I went down there when we had Spurrier. Me and my buddies went to the game. It was an awesome experience, the Carolina fans were definitely the nicest fans I’ve seen. But, since ( naturally) we lost, they definitely let us have it. Especially after Nick Goings broke a long run down the sideline. They kept thanking us for Stephen Davis, meanwhile we had the Thunder and Lighning duo of Rock Cartwright and Trung Canidate. Ugh.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Haha
Someone called into 106.7 the other day upset about that. It actually bothered them. WTF?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Not a ringing endorsement
That the pic you come up with on Beck is from the combine. No pads, no live bullets.
Just sayin….
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
not really Rex or Beck related, but was a QB contreversy last year.
Thought it may fit in for discussion here possibly.
I'm going to get shit for this comment,
and I know it won’t happen because that bridge has probably been burned, but Jason Campbell anyone?
Like I said, putting it out just to discuss it, not that I really think it could happen, probably is out for the season so this is next season talk anyway.
Probably could play the game manager better than Rex grossman or Beck. I never thought Campbell would be great, but thought he was always competent. Can we say that about either QB right now? I’d rather our QB of the future playing behind Campbell than Rex Grossman…
Read an interview where he mentioned something...
like, “so did Washington finally figure out it wasn’t all me”.. or something to that effect. Doubt Campbell would bother with DC.
Neither would want each other. Campbell’s release is very long and not suitable for this offense. His inconsistent accuracy is though.
"It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear." - Norm Peterson
by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 18, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He's hurt... back injury... will be out the rest of the year.
… but yes… he was better than McNabb, Grossman or Beck!
1st mistake Shanny made!
Can't we just get to Sunday already?
I want to freeze myself, then unthaw at about 10 a.m. Sunday morning.
"That's what she said!"
Tomorrow is gonna be awful.
I almost miss talking about Colt Brennan. Almost.
"It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear." - Norm Peterson
by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 18, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what time he's making the "Decision"?
I already have a very strong feeling who it will be.
"That's what she said!"
That's a joke, right?
I can never tell with you.
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by DCO'sfan on Oct 18, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
then comes Monday
and another round of QB talk.. Which QB is least intolerable to watch. I hope Beck looks like Gannon in his prime and we can all be happy for a week.
by hambonejackson on Oct 18, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, we've traded you to the Raiders blog for a Carson Palmer jersey and an "AL" decal
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My agent said they will have to throw in a Parks unless I hit certain "Douche Incentives".
"That's what she said!"
I have a lot of faith you'll hit them.
I’m probably well prepared for the Raiders blog though.
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Don't think there's much action over there.
Hard to get WiFi while you’re yachting.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
Washington sent 2 second round picks
to Seattle for Tavaris Jackson
by hambonejackson on Oct 18, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
okay okay okay
Um what? Let’s be honest, both QB’s fucking suck. They do. Does one suck less than the other? Hmm, maybe. But if we’re aiming for 8-8, which at this point seems kind of realistic, then yeah, throw Beck to wolves… er, Panthers and witness his dismembering. Or maybe not. Maybe he won’t be dismembered. Who knows. Clawed to death? I’m done with these metaphors. Because they’re stupid. And so is this discussion. Meh. Start John Beck for shit’s sake. Or start Grossman. Either way we’re going to argue. So would it be better to shut up? Perhaps. Or yes, yes it would.
/REALISM AHAHA RIGHT?
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YOU'RE A BAD ATTITUDE POST.
Suck it.
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by DCO'sfan on Oct 18, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
great.
Got 100/100 on my problem set without understanding a word of it. I asked my brother for help, and my brother just gave me the answers. So fun to have a nerdy brother.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
ih8dallas is your brother?
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No they have that one man band setup w/ a drum on their back and symbols on their knees
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I wish I was that talented...I can only imagine the women falling at my feet.
"That's what she said!"
Well, for his sake I hope not
Because that would make him a chubby 19-year-old who was consistently beat up by his younger sister all throughout childhood and teenage years.
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Parks is actually good looking
In a totally non-creepy way.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
*pats you on the back*
You made it creepy, by saying it’s not creepy.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Oct 18, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you, in a non-creepy way
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now thats a little creepy
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by MagicHat on Oct 18, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by Parks Smith on Oct 18, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Tired of reading the above comments..
Since it’s all one way or the other..I’ll just give my meaningless opinion… I supported Grossman from preseason..he had his shot… And gave us a bunch of turnovers… A qb who felt pressure way too early..who couldn’t step up in the pocket…or couldn’t run away from pressure.. Now we should take a look at Beck… We know pretty much nothing about him..so I hate hearing he will be the same as Grossman..yet we all believe Luck is the future of all QBs and he’s never played NFL level football.. We know as a fact that we now are hurting on the oline.. So if Rex felt pressure before and made bad decisions..be ready for more…common sense… And we seen in a short outing with the oline we will have next week..beck avoided that pressure..and moved the chains…something Rex hasn’t done…so there’s a difference right there..but you say there isn’t any.. Anyway.. We don’t know what Beck can do when given the chance… mike says he still believes in both and hopes they are with us for a long time via the post… Yeah were not happy we don’t have a big name qb… But because of his legs..beck is a better option..all we can do is hope he can prove the rest of our doubts wrong.. I’m just glad we didn’t give a first round pick with a conditional first round pick for Palmer…
by BuzzBee on Oct 18, 2011 4:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Maybe the team
can try out Grossman at left tackle.WTF.
by hambonejackson on Oct 18, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Per LaCanfora: Eagles announce trade of Ronnie Brown to Detroit for Jerome Harrison and 2013 pick
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Apparently the Eagles are trying to acquire Harrison every year.
Makes you wonder about Best’s concussion
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Good power, straight line runner. Just don't think he was a good fit in Philly.
I think he’ll help Detroit. This just has me worried about Best though.
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Yea, and I have a soft spot in my heart for the Lions
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Probably b/c I have Megatron and Best on just about all of my fantasy squads.
And they have a cool stadium
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I think that stupid
Goal line option attempt two weeks ago kinda turned them off on him.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Apparently the only way the Bengals get the 2013 1st rounder is if the Raiders go to the AFC Championship
If not, then it’s a 2nd round pick
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Still a great deal.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Oct 18, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
We know who Rex is. We don’t know who Beck is. Which one gives us the best chance to win? Only the coaching staff can probably say based on practice.
Are we going to the SuperBowl either way? Probably not. But as someone who has supported the decision to go with Rex because I thought that he had possibly turned a corner into a better manager of the game I am 100% supportive of going with Beck if that’s the move. Rex looked bad against Dallas, didn’t look amazing anytime before that and he looked horrific vs Philly. That to me is a steady decline.
I can’t put everything on him, but ever since he took that sack-fumble in the Dallas game when he should have just thrown it away MANY seconds before that I lost faith in his ability to overcome the Bad Rex.
The one thing that gets me excited about Beck is his mobility. We have a beat up o-line and Rex is a lot less mobile than I remember. We’re going to need someone that can get a first down or two with his legs. If we could have extended just one or two drives in either of our losses so far we could be sitting atop the division.
But I will say that anyone who thinks that Carolina is a down on their luck team needs to watch some tape. They’re not only in every game, but they look pretty good. What scares me the most is that they’re going in the opposite direction of us right now.
by It's Always Sunny in DC on Oct 18, 2011 6:21 PM EDT reply actions
Anyone else see the Rick Snider piece (of crap)
Where he was calling for the Skins to make a Cerrato type move to get a QB? Isn’t that like saying the US should be more Hitleresque in our foreign policy? Boo that man!
And yes, I know that this post ensures I will no longer have a gig with Monday Night Football…unless I fuck a producer a la Suzy Kolber.
So glad we aren't the Raiders
I read on one of these comments that the conditional pick would be a first rounder if they won their division… But I just heard on a espn radio station..that it would be the 2013 first round if they win a playoff game either this year or next… That’s crazy..did the Davis family have a say in this..they basically don’t have a pick in rounds 1-4 this year…or the 7th.. I couldn’t imagine Al Davis doing this.. I mean Palmer may turn out to be a Mcnabb and people bashed the Skins for what we gave te Eagles…Palmer was 4-12 last year… Idk I just can’t understand this move…
by BuzzBee on Oct 19, 2011 2:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well
He is a refreshing drink of water in the middle of the desert, but very fast you realize you are not only still in the desert, you also just had that one cup.
That premise suggests we have a head coach who has not referred to our QBs as 1 and 1a
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Oct 19, 2011 9:58 AM EDT reply actions
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