Rex Grossman Starting QB in 2011
Before i face the ridicule for saying that such an awful QB will lead the team, let's think about Shanahan's past. He drafted Griese in the 3rd round who was never anything special. He ended up starting and being somewhat sufficient when healthy. Shanahan let him go, and brought in Jake Plummer who was subpar at best with Arizona. He turned Plummer into a good Quarterback. Kyle Shanahan has done something similar in Houston. He made Matt Schaub a pro bowl QB after being a backup for several years. Creating Pro Bowl players from subpar talent seems to be hereditary in the Shanahan family, offensively atleast.
It is obvious that every new Head Coach brings in the QB that he wants, along with the personnel that he wants of course. Over the past 15 or so years here is a list of teams that have turned around in one season. I posted this early this year as a comment, but i feel like i should include this:
1. Miami 1-15 in 07 11-5 08 Tony Sparano first year was 08, drafted LT, not a QB (similar to us?)
2. Indianapolis 3 – 13 1998 13-3 1999 Jim Mora drafted Manning
3. Jets 4-12 2007 9-7 2008 Drafted Mark Sanchez in 09 the same year that Rex Ryan came
4. New Orleans 3-13 2005 10-6 2006 Sean Payton and Drew Brees cooperate excellent, fits Paytons scheme
5. Atlanta 4-12 2007 11-5 2008 Mike Smith drafts Matt Ryan
6. Cincinnati 4-11-1 2008 10-6 2009
7. Tennessee 4-12 2005 8-8 2006 Drafted Vince Young
8. Tampa Bay 4-12 2006 9-7 2007
9. Cincinnati 2-14 2002 8-8 2003
10. Jets 6-10 2003 10-6 2004
11. Chargers 4-12 2003 12-4 2004
12. Jets 1-15 1996 9-7 1997 Parcells brought in Neil O'Donnell from Pittsburgh
13. Denver 6-10 1999 11-5 2000 Shanahan had Griese
14. 49ers 6-10 2000 12-4 2001 Steve Mariucci had Garcia
15. Redskins 6-10 2004 10-6 2005 Brunell
16. Redskins 5-11 2006 9-7 2007 Todd Collins
17. Jacksonville 5-11 2003 9-7 2004 Jack Del Rio drafted Byron Leftwich
18. Green Bay 6-10 2008 11-5 2009
19. Patriots 5-11 2000 11-5 2001 Bellichick drafted Brady, wasn't expected to be a starter by any means but still drafted.
20. Giants 6-10 2004 11-5 2005 Coughlin drafted Eli Manning
21. Panthers 1-15 2001 7-9 2002 (didnt make playoffs but still a turnaround)
22. Atlanta 5-11 2003 11-5 2004 Jim Mora drafted Michael Vick (i think, can't remember, correct me if i'm wrong)
23. Chicago 5-11 2004 11-5 2005 Lovie Smith drafted Kyle Orton despite Grossman being 1st round pick the year before
24. Philly 6-10 2005 10-6 2006
25. Rams 4-12 1998 13-3 1999 Dick Vermeil brought in Kurt Warner
I'm sorry if that information wasn't relavent, but the point i'm trying to make here is that every coach has either drafted or found a new Quarterback, most of them through the draft. With that being said, alot of the head coaches of those teams were in their 1st or 2nd year with the team, and the majority of the first year coaches have losing records but they turn it around the next year, once they find their quarterback. I was as pissed as everyone and i used to want shanahan to be fired. But i've come to realize that he's here to stay so no point in complaining anymore.
Everyone thought that with a new QB (McNabb) and a new head coach, we'd have a better season than 6-10, but McNabb proved to be the wrong guy for the scheme and now I believe that Kyle Shanahan has faith in Rex Grossman leading the team into 2011. Shanahan was quoted saying that the offense took about 2-3 years to learn. Grossman has 2 years under his belt with that offense. Grossman was brought here for a reason, and it was because Shanahan saw something he liked in Houston and carried it with him to DC. McNabb got his shot and now i believe that Grossman will start next season and get his chance.
With that being said, everyone has been talking about which QB will we take in the draft. I don't think we will take a QB this year. Shanahan has not shown a history of drafting Quarterbacks in high rounds EXCEPT for Cutler. Who knows what goes on in Shanahan's mind, but in my opinion, we don't pick a QB with the 10th pick.
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Shanahan's definitely drafting QB in the 1st Round, but it will be HIS guy.
He’ll groom him for the 8-10 games and Grossman will start, then he will start the Rookie.
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So exactly what happened in Denver with Cutler and Plummer
Hope it ends differently then the last time that happened…
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
He got fired because of his lack of proper Defensive Talent Evaluation
Key word: Defense.
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 6, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
extremely high likelihood that it plays out like this.
While i’d prefer to draft only OL for the next 15 years, this isn’t the worst alternative in the world.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Yeah, sorry if it comes off kind of strong.
That’s just the way I see things panning out though, it’s not the worst scenario in the world. I’m sure we’ll get Stefen Wisniewski in the 2nd Round. Hopefully we can get something out of McNabb and Haynesworth (Tennessee likes veteran players).
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 6, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Agree - that's the way I dope it out
We absolutely have to get a top QB. But if he wants (e.g.) Locker, or one of several guys below the top three, he might take a chance and try to get him in the second round. Luck staying in hurts our QB search. It might also mean Carolina won’t give up Jimmy Clausen (although I don’t know it that is any consideration at all).
I don't know. I think Grossman was brought in b/c he's a good back up QB
with starting experience, and someone that the Shanahans trust.
I’m not sure he was brought here so that he could be made into a starter. He’s a known (mediocre) quantity at this point
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Spot on Smuts
He may be ok for a bit, but if we draft a QB in the 1st 2 rounds, I expect that guy to play sometime this season.
However, if we are winning with Grossman, I don’t think you’ll hear a peep from Redskins fans.
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Also, for the record Smuts
I’m starting to lean heavily for Definsive line in RD 1 and Offensive Line on RD 2
Dareus, Fairley or Quinn
then
Wiz or Tyron Smith
I’m hoping we can somehow trade back into the 2nd(of get another 2nd or 3rd via trade), and select a QB with that pick.
I still like Devlin, and Stanzi. I’d even consider Kaepernick as a project QB in the later rounds.
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I agree
with D-line in the 1st & O-line in the 2nd, Andy Dalton is a QB not many people are talking about but is an excellent mid rd. prospect.
too small, and weak arm for Dalton
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I've heard he's 6'1, but he's listed at 6'3.
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 8, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
He's closer to 6'0 than 6'3
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It's always funny at the combine to see the actual measurments of these guys
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
While it's not my first choice, I wouldn't hate this
I’m starting to lean heavily for Definsive line in RD 1 and Offensive Line on RD 2
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I am with you there.....
I also agree completely we need serious help, immediately, on the OL (like most I think Casey is the weakest of the weak links). The way teams were allowed to run the ball against us this past year was beyond unacceptable. I think we can thank Mr. Fletcher’s unmatched pure force, emotionally and physically, for our success in short yardage situations….other than that it was all poor us (porous) and embarrassing.
just a thought
’Skins send Hanesworth to Tennessee for Young and a 3rd round pick… no team is going to trade for McNabb because of that god-awful contract he signed this season.
Except Bud Adams
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 6, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
They can keep Young....or I suppose deal him elsewhere would be more accurate....
Unless he has to be part of a package like that, in which case we deal him elsewhere. I keep wanting to throw Carter in, bit I think someone posted that he is FA? I didn’t think he was. How about we give them Mc Nabb, AH and Carter, for a 2nd and 4th…..or a their 2nd this year and 3rd next year, and we pick up the bonus part of the contract.
he isn't due much in 2011 though right?
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Only 2.5 mil
2011: $2.5 million (+ $10 million option bonus + $750,000 in per-game roster bonuses)
2012: $12.75 million (+ $750,000 in per-game roster bonuses)
2013: $13 million (+ $1.5 million in per-game roster bonuses)
2014: $13.75 million (+ $3 million in per-game roster bonuses)
2015: $13.55 million (+ $2.25 million in per-game roster bonuses)
oh, so if he's kept on a team in 2011, he'll have to get paid a LOT
(~$15M)
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I would think if he was to be traded that...
1) the team obtaining him would get considerable cash consideration from us
and
2) McNabb may have to agree to restructure his deal?
Why would McNabb want to restructure his deal ??
His best option is to become a FA, he can then sign with whatever team he chooses & renegotiate his contract at that point. It is in our best interests to let him go before the draft thereby taking whatever team picks him up out of the hunt for a new QB
It's more likely
he’ll redo his contract for whatever team wants McNabb. If Shanny is looking to draft a QB my money is on Mallet of Arkansas. I can’t see Grossman being the starter unless he comes up with a miraculous way to eliminate the turnovers he causes. With eight in three games that works out to 48 over an 18 game schedule and that just him… doesn’t count running back, returner, or receiver fumbles. Ain’t no way you’re going to the playoffs with that many TO’s.
Highly doubtful that Arizona, Buffalo & Tennessee all pass on Mallet
With Luck out of the picture every QB moves up a slot making Mallet & then Newton likely top five picks
prob safe to assume that if we go QB
it will be Locker
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I think so
but that is not as bad as some around here think. Here is a breakdown by one of the smarter guys from MTD, it is interesting & shows Locker n a little different light. It is really hard to evaluate a QB when he is surrounded by inferior players http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/12/31/1905817/jake-locker-vs-nebraska
I don't think it will be bad if we get him
It just depends where we pick him. At #10 will certainly raise some eyebrows, unless he lights it up at senior/east west games and combine
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I agree
As important as the Combine & the Senior Bowl are to all players, I think that more is riding on them for Locker than any other player. A bad Bowl game & his lousy season has more relevance, a good bowl & the promising Locker from last year looks like the real thing

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