Could our WR problem be solved?
by ptowny on Jan 31, 2011 9:30 AM EST
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PrintI really don't want anyone to threaten me with this, but is there any chance at all that Malcolm Kelly did some stretching during the 2010 season so he could be ready for 2011? I was excited to see him last year only to be let down once again. If not, Jacoby Jones seems like an easy fit into our system as a free agent if we can keep Santana....what do you think?
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is there any chance at all that Malcolm Kelly did some stretching during the 2010 season
I hope it’s just a matter of not doing enough stretching.
Realistically though, I think there’s a good chance. We saw with Devin Thomas that Mike Shanahan had no problem getting rid of players he thinks don’t have the right mindset to be a long-term contributor. He did the opposite for Malcolm Kelly, putting him on the IR to free up a roster spot, but keeping him on the team. This speaks well to Malcolm’s work ethic, now it’s just a matter of keeping healthy.
I have to disagree with Jacoby Jones. If you look at the Texans offense, they have a feature WR in Andre Johnson, a possession WR in Kevin Walter, and then a speedster to stretch the field/WR screens, etc. (and Owen Daniels/Chris Cooley). Santana and Jacoby are too similar in their player types and would have conflicting roles in the offense.
I agree with this.
Mike Sims Walker would be my guy if we had to have another receiver.
by vjessejamesv on Jan 31, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
KELLY IS NOTHING BUT DEAD WEIGHT ON OUR TEAM
He will be cut this year i bet , ever since we drafted him what has he done nothing at all , think how many games has he played in since coming to our team , not very many , if he does not practice and play this year he will be cut , all i can say is what a wasted draft pick again as usual .
To quote Parks, What?
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 31, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thats fine but whats the risk in bringing him into training camp?
by Parks Smith on Jan 31, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
The risks of bringing Kelly to training camp are nil. The Team can give the potential UDFA a good evaluation and bring a half dozen
WRs to camp as well as some 5th to 7th round draft picks ( such as Greg Salas, Darvin Adams, DeAndre Brown, Tori Gurley, Lester Jean, or Courtney Smith). The goal of having the best 45 players active on game day does not change.
by Jefferson1935 on Jan 31, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
If said best players are put on the feild.
Joey Galloway?
by vjessejamesv on Jan 31, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
That’s why I didn’t understand the whining about cutting Thomas and putting Kelly on IR. Thomas was using up a roster spot while Kelly wasn’t and will have an opportunity to get healthy and possibly make the team.
There is nothing to lose lose and no dead weight associated with him.
I consider myself a one man wolfpack..
Let Santana Walk(I love him, but time to get younger)
and sign James Jones. Give me a starting WR corps consisting of AA, JJ and MK. TA and BB, plus a later round draft pick as our depth.
Next year(2012), I want Derek Moye in the 2nd or 3rd!
Are you not entertained?
Letting Santana, the only established player in the group walk, is a mistake
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Jan 31, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't give up on Moss just yet
I don’t think he should be our #1 anymore, but I think he is far from done. I think with a REAL threat on the other side (sorry AA fans, but he scares no one), he would still put up similar numbers but more td’s without 2 or 3 guys on him all the time.
by tony420 on Jan 31, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is it?
Moss: had one of his best years ever
Armstrong: had over 850 yards and was pretty promising
Kelly: I’ll take whatever the hell I can get from him
Austin: Haven’t seen much, really can judge.
All I’m saying is Moss + Armstrong + Good Possession WR in FA, is a lot better than Armstrong + JJones + Kelly
okay that makes it twice now that I agree with you this year
What is wrong with me?
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 31, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
haha, I have a lot of people coming over to the dark side lately...
Trying to be more practical ’77 and stop farting out unrealistic homerism, keep me in line brother.
Austin seems like a diamond in the rough.
He’s fast, runs crisp routes, and can get separation. That’s only from what I saw in preseason and the last couple of games.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 31, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
had his BEST year
he is one of the few true redskins of this gen. i want him here till retirement.
by Andrew DeFrank on Jan 31, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
his decline still leaves him well ahead of all the other WRs
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
AND...Did Moss, Armstrong have good years
because of Quarterback or Coaching?
I would say the change in performance was do to the First year offense being installed by K. Shanahan, some believe is only on the staff because he’s the coaches son…hmmmm
Moss is still a decent starting NFL WR
and is our best WR by a wide margin.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Still decent?
He’s a little better than that considering he had a career high in catches with 93 while racking up 1115 YDs and 6 TDs. And when you condider just how bad our QB play was that ain’t too shabby.
Although to be fair, his small stature was an advantage when it came to catching most of McNabbs low to the ground passes.
I consider myself a one man wolfpack..
LOL
Good point. Wasn’t he 7th in the league in catches (too lazy to look it up right now). Letting a premier receiver go when you have no one better on the team is lunacynot a real good idea. Besides we need to keep a core of veterans to teach any young players we bring in. Put Moss in the slot & draft a decent possession type WR taller than 6-4
Really?....awful?
Mc Nabb was not throwing well (most obvious statement of the year) and would have come close to setting high marks for yardage, both for himself and for our team, Moss, statiscally, had one of his best seasons of his career. AA showed flashes….if (BIG IF) Kelley comes close to living up to potential we will be ok…for now.
I’m not totally in disagreement with letting ’Tana Moss go. He costs the ’Skins a game or two a year. Has every year that he has been here.
The Once and Future King
?
He costs the ’Skins a game or two a year.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
By dropping key passes in Do or Die situations.
Against Dallas this year.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 1, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
We still need to sign Moss though he's to our offense what Fletcher is to our Defense.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 1, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
to say he single handedly cost us games is exaggeration
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
completely
now i am really high on armstrong. he will be a stud in a couple years. i really think so
by Andrew DeFrank on Feb 1, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Touche Parks, Touche...
When did you become a security guard? Also why was Tiller making such a big deal in public?
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 1, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't think the 26 year old Jones has much wear and tear either
AA also played in the EFL, which I think I read somewhere that contact is encouraged.
Are you not entertained?
Yea sounds like a good marketing slogan for an arena football league, haha...
Why add another WR like Jones that plays outside the numbers? We need a possession WR. A couple months ago you were fighting tooth and nail that we absolutely cannot sign a WR that is 27 or 28 and now you want to make an exception b/c this guy is the flavor of the month? We need a large possession WR not an outside the numbers guy. We need a Sims-Walker, Mike Williams, Malcolm Floyd, etc.
Never said that I did'n want to sing an WR who was 27-28
It was certain WR’s who were 27-28.
And you know I been on the JJ bandwagon for a while now.
Are you not entertained?
Most FA WR’s are 27-28 years old
For a WR thats getting past prime, for a linemen, it’s still within their prime.
Your smart enough to realize this. I’ve been saying this for months now.
Don’t ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
by Tiller56 on Dec 1, 2010 6:23 PM EST
From his post suggesting we draft a QB Next Year
I’d rather stay away from the FA WR’s if at all possible
Don’t ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
by Tiller56 on Jan 5, 2011 7:41 PM EST
and…
Not a fan of too many of them
lot of diva attitudes, plus I would, for once, love to draft, and develope our own WR.
I’m sick of everyone elses baggage(Lloyd, Randel-el).
Don’t ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
by Tiller56 on Jan 5, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 3, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
This was defending my position of drafting a WR in the 1st round
It was during my Linemen vs WR rant.
If you remember correctly, I was saying how I would rather draft a WR, and get a FA linemen because the shelf life of O-Linemen was historically a lot greater.
But thanks, it flatters me to see how heavily you guys follow me. I’m on twitter too.
Are you not entertained?
9 fumbles lost in 9.5 seasons
15 fumbles total.
1.5 per season
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Yep. And every single one of them for the ’Skins cost them the game. Green Bay a couple of years ago still stands out. And there was one this year as well.
The Once and Future King
this is dumb
he loses 1 fumble a season, and who the hell knows if each one was the only major mistake any player made that game.
(hint: probably not)
singling players out for “costing us the game” with a fumble is dumb.
labeling a player who loses 1 a year is dumber.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Don’t really care if you think it is dumb. I don’t like ‘Tana Moss. You do. Doesn’t bother me one bit.
And for the record…HE has admitted after a few of them that HE cost them the game.
The Once and Future King
"HE has admitted after a few of them that HE cost them the game."....
sorry Gators, thats points in favor of Santana in my book. If you know football as well as would like to believe you do, then you know it is incredibly rare when one play decides a game….and many missed opportunities to break one open in every game. it is a team sport like no other. Santana is a gamer, No bullshittin around, he stands up and takes responsiibilty for his own mistakes, he owns it and moves on. IMHO, thats a good thing.
+1
He took responsibility for missing a play, which is what a true team player does. He shouldered more than his share of the loss because one play doesn’t make or break a game.
Before this year
we havn’t playd them in 4 years… Santana is the man.
by Andrew DeFrank on Feb 2, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I have zero confidence that Kelly can be a productive player here.
Slow, not a good route runner, cannot get seperation, bad recipe for a wide receiver.
Receivers to target should be Sydney Rice and Steve Smith, both young with stud potential. They both have injury issues and have missed time, which will limit their contracts, but have #1 potential. Floyd, Jones, Walker are other reasonable options.
It is better to get rid of a player a year early, rather then a year late. If they could receive anything like a 3rd-4th rd pick for Santana, they should do it, IMO. He is up for aprox $6M this year, and that would offset the signing of Smith or Rice. The Bengals or Patriots might be interested.
I think Greg Salas, Vincent Brown, or Austin Pettis would make a perfect compliment as a #3 possession receiver, and could be available in the 5th rd.
wrong Smith
I was thinking of Carolina’s Smith my bad.
by vjessejamesv on Feb 2, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
well that might explain his numbers this year……I do hope we keep him as well., I think he could be produstive out of the slot for several more years, he is wily, and tough, and knows how to get open.
and a true Redskin
i want to see him retire a Redskin.
by Andrew DeFrank on Feb 3, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
How is Earnest Byner a true Redskin?
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 3, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Who, by the way, was also a Jet.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 3, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
I have either his rookie or 2nd YR topps card when he was a Jet. He's got a sweet afro.
Santana’s not in my book either, Gotta put something in the trophy case.
I consider myself a one man wolfpack..
He's one of the 70 Greatest Redskins
Explain John Riggins then.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 3, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
There's not arguing
in the sense of the words, Santana is not a “true Redskin”. End of story.
Are you not entertained?
By that standard how is...
Sonny Jurgenson
Sam Huff
Riggins
Byner
Theismann
Doug Williams
Gary Clark
Ken Harvey
Billy Kilmer
Bobby Mitchell
etc.
A TRUE REDSKIN?
I won't mind if Moss comes back
However, I would rather replace him with a younger more explosive FA.
Are you not entertained?
James Jones could be that younger more explosive FA that could really help this team
Both he and Moss drop their fair share of passes. I believe Jones gives us a larger, faster, and better open field threat than Moss at this point in his career.
At this point in their careers, if given the choice between the two, I’d take Jones.
Are you not entertained?
moss drops some balls but was an established #1 (or 1a) option for years
James Jones drops balls while not getting tons of targets.
To assume Jones can step in and do what Moss does (or did in his prime) is dicey.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Big +1
Jones definitely has an upside but why is everyone so high on him when he’s so unproven? He’s started 8 games the last 3 years and averages 35 yards per game, I know that can be attributed to the crowded WR core in GB, but to say this guy (who is a lot slower) can step in and do Moss’s job is a bit of a stretch. At the same point in James’s career Moss was already a stud, he already had a 1,000 yard season.
We need to keep Moss and pick up a possession receiver.
Tiller, wasn’t it you that said we shouldn’t sign WRs around 27 or 28 years old? I’m fine with Jones but as a complimentary receiver.
He not even 27 yet
I have no problem with that age. He’ll play the entire 2011 season at 27 years old, and he doesn’t have the wear and tear of others his age.
Are you not entertained?
Let me ask you this... and I still want to sign Jones to a contract on the cheaper side as well as Moss
Is Jones flashiness a product of playing under a well-run system, a result of playing with receivers like Greg Jennings and Donald Driver, or could he really handle being a clear-cut #1 Wide Receiver?
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 1, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, they have an extremely talented QB in Rodgers
He makes pretty much every throw on the money. That’s certainly helps.
Scientists believe that the first human being to live 150 years has already been born. I believe I am that human being.
You'll see how good Jones is by what the Packers offer him.
Driver is going to have to be replaced, he’s 36 and I believe he’s a FA. So someone is going to have to replace him next year or in the near future. If the Packers think Jones is a legit replacement then they’ll pay him to become that, if not they’ll let him hit the open market (which means he isn’t any better than Jordy Nelson).
Yeah
Smart Organizations don’t ever let their key core players hit the open market, they’re always signed to new contracts before they become free agents.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 1, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
But there doesn't have to be a choice between the two.
Why not try for both?
by mdm1185 on Feb 1, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
James Jones: 40-time: 4.54. The speeds are not always retained even in a few years. Darrell Green is an exception.
Jacoby Jones wasn’t one of the top in the 40 yd at the combine. He had to be slower than 4.54, but he says that he could run a 4.28 after he gained 5 lbs.
by Jefferson1935 on Feb 3, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
All I can say is
Kelly hasn’t been healthy since he’s been here. What’s gonna change? Yeah…he can come to camp and practice but methinks soon after the wheel is gonna fall off again. In the meantime how much money have they wasted on him?
I'm still high on Kelly
don’t ask me why, but I’m drinking the Kool-Aid when it comes to him.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
anything could happen
look at Brandon Loydd or any other number of players, specifically recievers who turn it around.
by Andrew DeFrank on Feb 2, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
I hope so too....
I like to think that must be something there. Because of the draft circumstances Kelly gets lumped w/ Thomas in discussions, but we sent one away and kept the other.Who knows what Shanny is thinking in terms of WR, as far as I know Roydell is till on our team. I am also surprised Donald Drivers name hasn’t come up in any discussion….I am not saying we should or shouldn’t, but after the Galloway Experiment/debacle I have no clue, and Driver seems like a Shanny type of guy.
There is no way in hell
Driver is a FA. He is like the biggest Packer ever. If they win the Super Bowl, there is just no way.
by Andrew DeFrank on Feb 3, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
They know what they are doing
They wont keep Kelly unless they think there is a good chance he works out. He didn’t with anybody else from the previous team, whats stopping him from removing Kelly?
A filtering exercise for a WR list. First you go to the http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings for 2011 and WR.
Next hit the 40 time which puts the WRs in inverse order of the fastest. Click all at the bottom of the page. Mark the WRs with the fastest times up to the highest rated prospects, i.e, Austin Pettis. Save those identified into a file. The link below might already have the list to work from.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2011_WR?&1:col1=10&print_rows=9999
This may be a good way to identify sleepers at WR (or any other position). Ricardo Lockette, WR, Fort Valley State, 6-2, 197, 40 time:4.36; Emani Lee-Oda, WR, Maryland, 6-2, 200, 40 time: 4.41; Terrence McCrae, WR, Ohio, 6-3, 198, 40 time: 4.45. These guys are 6’2"+ and fast. This does not mean they can play, but they are worth a look.
Has anybody told Al Davis about this site? Could make their drafting strategy easier.
Oh wait, even they turned it around and had a decent draft last year.
Every
dog has his day. The Raiders resemble us a lot. They pickup talent that is highly rated prior to draft… the talent performs mediocre…. they cut them after a year or two…. the talent ends up blowing minds on another team.
Lack of patience.
the raiders actually use their draft picks
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
yea but even those two worked out great
not to mention this last draft they had
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Don't forget, Davis has 3 rings
Before he was a crazy old man, he was a crazy good owner/GM.
"DOWN GOES RODGERS!" -Brian Orakpo
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