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A Formula For Drafting QBs That Works: Rule of 26-27-60

The Redskins need to draft a QB. There's no doubt about it. All of the circular-logic banter this week on the QBs reminded me of an article I came across last year involving a formula for evaluating Quarterbacks. It's called the Rule of 26-27-60.

Here is the gist of it: If an NFL prospect scores at least a 26 on the Wonderlic test, starts at least 27 games in his college career and completes at least 60 percent of his passes, there's a good chance he will succeed at the NFL level.

QBs that have passed this rule: Sam Bradford, Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Tony Romo, Matt Schaub, Kyle Orton, Kevin Kolb, Matt Ryan, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Matt Stafford. 

QBs who did not pass this rule: Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, David Carr, Heath Shuler, Jimmy Clausen, Jay Cutler, Joey Harrington, Tim Couch, Brady Quinn, Tim Tebow, Alex Smith (1 game short), Jeff George, and Vince Young (horrible Wonderlic). Yes, these are all huge busts but were all VERY high (or projected) 1st rounders.

Exceptions: Brett Favre (22 Wonderlic), McNabb (14 Wonderlic), Matt Leinart - who at USC played over 30 games, 35 Wonderlic, and threw over 63% all three years. Aaron Rodgers averaged 63.8 completion percentage, 35 Wonderlic, and 26 games (1 game short). Ben Roethlisberger scored a 25 on the Wonderlic (1 point short) but easily had the number of games and high completion %. Josh Freeman met all the rules except completion % at KSU (59.1%) - so close.

So how do the top, 2011, NFL QB prospects measure up to this rule? Stats after the jump...

Star-divide

Obviously, the Wonderlic test still needs to be administered, but several QBs clearly do not match this rule: Locker, Kaepernick, and Cam Newton - interestingly the highest 3 ranked QBs of the bunch. I'm not going to pretend I can evaluate college QBs for Mike Shanahan's system, but based on this rule and its' history, I'd rather take my chances on the #10 pick with a bona fide LB or NT. We've seen drafts go by with no star QBs, and it's possible that this draft is one of them. The only good QB in the 2005 draft was Aaron Rodgers, and he sat for 3 full years with the luxury of learning from the best. The 2007 draft netted ZERO starter QBs (Kolb perhaps the only exception) despite six being taken in the first 3 rounds. So here are the 2011 candidates:

Jake Locker, 6'2" - 228 lbs - (FAILED COMPL % MISERABLY)

Year School Conf Class Pos Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
2007 Washington Pac-10 FR QB 155 328 47.3 2062 6.3 5.1 14 15 105.0
2008 Washington Pac-10 SO QB 50 93 53.8 512 5.5 5.7 1 0 103.6
2009 Washington Pac-10 JR QB 230 395 58.2 2800 7.1 6.9 21 11 129.7
2010 Washington Pac-10 SR QB 184 332 55.4 2265 6.8 6.6 17 9 124.2
Career
619 1148 53.9 7639 6.7 6.2 53 35 119.0

 

Colin Kaepernick, 6'4" - 225 lbs - (FAILED COMPL %)

Year

School

Conf

Class

Pos

Cmp

Att

Pct

Yds

Y/A

AY/A

TD

Int

Rate

2007

Nevada

WAC

FR

QB

133

247

53.8

2175

8.8

9.8

19

3

150.8

2008

Nevada

WAC

SO

QB

208

383

54.3

2849

7.4

7.8

22

7

132.1

2009

Nevada

WAC

JR

QB

166

282

58.9

2052

7.3

7.7

20

6

139.1

2010

Nevada

WAC

SR

QB

233

359

64.9

3022

8.4

8.6

21

8

150.5

Career

 

740

1271

58.2

10098

7.9

8.4

82

24

142.5

 

Ricky Stanzi, 6'4" - 230 lbs  - (FAILED COMPL %) - High Enough to Squeak Through, though

Year Team G Cmp Att Comp % Yds Yd/A TDs Int Sacked Yds
2007 Iowa  2 0 4 0.0 0 0.0 0 1 0 0
2008 Iowa  13 150 254 59.1 1956 7.7 14 9 22 138
2009 Iowa  11 171 304 56.3 2417 8.0 17 15 23 175
2010 Iowa  13 221 345 64.1 3004 8.7 25 6 19 135
Career 39 542 907 59.8 7377 8.1 56 31 64 448

 

Christian Ponder - 6'2.5" - 222lbs - PASSED
Chris has an injury history, and well, he went to FSU so there's no guarantee he'll pass the Wonderlic. Kidding aside, he graduated with a 3.96 GPA and is on his 2nd Masters. Crazy smart. I'll have a profile on him up soon.

Year

School

Conf

Class

Pos

Cmp

Att

Pct

Yds

Y/A

AY/A

TD

Int

Rate

2007

Florida State

ACC

FR

QB

8

18

44.4

105

5.8

1.9

1

2

89.6

2008

Florida State

ACC

SO

QB

177

318

55.7

2006

6.3

5.3

14

13

115.0

2009

Florida State

ACC

JR

QB

227

330

68.8

2717

8.2

8.1

14

7

147.7

2010

Florida State

ACC

SR

QB

184

299

61.5

2044

6.8

7.0

20

8

135.7

Career


596

965

61.8

6872

7.1

6.7

49

30

132.1


Cam Newton - 6'6" - 250 lbs. -  (FAILED - ONLY 14 GAMES PLAYED)

Year

School

Conf

Class

Pos

Cmp

Att

Pct

Yds

Y/A

AY/A

TD

Int

Rate

2007

Florida

SEC

FR

QB

5

10

50.0

40

4.0

4.0

0

0

83.6

2008

Florida

SEC

SO

QB

1

2

50.0

14

7.0

7.0

0

0

108.8

2010

Auburn

SEC

JR

QB

185

280

66.1

2854

10.2

11.2

30

7

182.0

Career

Overall

191

292

65.4

2908

10.0

10.9

30

7

178.2

Florida

6

12

50.0

54

4.5

4.5

0

0

87.8

Auburn

185

280

66.1

2854

10.2

11.2

30

7

182.0

 

Greg McElroy (ALA) - 6'2 - 222lbs  - (PASSED)

Year

School

Conf

Class

Pos

Cmp

Att

Pct

Yds

Y/A

AY/A

TD

Int

Rate

2007

Alabama

SEC

FR

QB

8

9

88.9

73

8.1

10.3

1

0

193.7

2008

Alabama

SEC

SO

QB

8

11

72.7

123

11.2

8.9

1

1

178.5

2009

Alabama

SEC

JR

QB

198

325

60.9

2508

7.7

8.2

17

4

140.5

2010

Alabama

SEC

SR

QB

222

313

70.9

2987

9.5

10.1

20

5

169.0

Career


436

658

66.3

5691

8.6

9.2

39

10

155.4

 

Andy Dalton (TCU) - 6'2" - 213 lbs - (PASSED)

Year

School

Conf

Class

Pos

Cmp

Att

Pct

Yds

Y/A

AY/A

TD

Int

Rate

2007

TCU

MWC

FR

QB

222

371

59.8

2459

6.6

5.8

10

11

118.5

2008

TCU

MWC

SO

QB

182

307

59.3

2242

7.3

7.3

11

5

129.2

2009

TCU

MWC

JR

QB

199

323

61.6

2756

8.5

8.8

23

8

151.8

2010

TCU

MWC

SR

QB

209

316

66.1

2857

9.0

9.9

27

6

166.5

Career


812

1317

61.7

10314

7.8

7.9

71

30

140.7

 

Ryan Mallett - 6'6" - 238 lbs. (37 games)  - (FAILED COMPL %)

Year

School

Conf

Class

Pos

Cmp

Att

Pct

Yds

Y/A

AY/A

TD

Int

Rate

2007

Michigan

Big Ten

FR

QB

61

141

43.3

892

6.3

5.7

7

5

105.7

2009

Arkansas

SEC

SO

QB

225

403

55.8

3624

9.0

9.7

30

7

152.5

2010

Arkansas

SEC

JR

QB

266

411

64.7

3869

9.4

9.7

32

12

163.6

Career

Overall

552

955

57.8

8385

8.8

9.1

69

24

150.4

Michigan

61

141

43.3

892

6.3

5.7

7

5

105.7

Arkansas

491

814

60.3

7493

9.2

9.7

62

19

158.1

 

Blaine Gabbert - 6'5" - 235 lbs (29 games) - PASSED

Year

School

Conf

Class

Pos

Cmp

Att

Pct

Yds

Y/A

AY/A

TD

Int

Rate

2008

Missouri

Big 12

FR

QB

5

13

38.5

43

3.3

3.3

0

0

66.2

2009

Missouri

Big 12

SO

QB

262

445

58.9

3593

8.1

8.2

24

9

140.5

2010

Missouri

Big 12

JR

QB

301

475

63.4

3186

6.7

6.5

16

9

127.0

Career


568

933

60.9

6822

7.3

7.3

40

18

132.6

 

Random stat: Since Drew Brees was drafted in 2001, there have been 9 Qbs drafted in the 2nd round...0 are long term starters today.

Random Stat #2: Andrew Luck is 2 games shy of this rule. His 70% completion percentage last year sky-rocket his pass percentage well over 60%. Figuring he's at Stanford, he'll probably score at least a 40 on the Wonderlic.

Random Stat #3: Ryan Leaf's highest percentage in 3 years at Washington State was 55.4. Heath Shuler's completion percentages in 3 years were: 50.0%, 58.0%, 64.6%. Eric Crouch averaged 52%.

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I like kaepernick and Stanzi's trends though

both are close in percentage completetion and were trending higher. I wonder what it would show if you took the completion percentage of their last 27 games only?

by skinsfan28 on Jan 27, 2011 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

i know....

how did you find this or come up with this?

by Patrickrh713 on Jan 27, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Think it was...

The Tuna! Bill Parcells that came up with this Rule… not 100%so correct me if I’m wrong here! Personally I hope the skins takee McElroy early or Mallett later, Mallet can make some throws just not consistently imo… looks like a good project. Ponder is not too shabby either in later rounds. Only the combine will tell

by SkinDaNFC on Jan 27, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

So then..

Is it better to draft someone at the ten spot, or maybe trade down and get Ponder and Stanzi, figuring they both pass and at least ONE will be a good starter???? I mean, I wouldnt mind having grossman start for one year while the two rookies battle each other and make each other better.

by terpskinsfan on Jan 27, 2011 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

That's the mindset I've taken over

I realize the only QB I like from a talent wise is Cam Newton, and that’s maybe 3 years from now, and no way would he fit the Skins. I don’t think there is a QB for the Redskins this year, even though that is probably the best way to go aside from more OL/DL

by BigOLinemen on Jan 27, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Nevada QB

Colin Kaepernik seems like a polished version of Cam Newton with a heck of a lot more tape to back thaat up. He seems to have a good temperament… confident, accurate on the run, pretty dam fast, knows how to win, and ain’t no thug so he can keep his nose clean! With that said I think I will literally cry if I see Cam Newton taken down off the board @ #10…. goto Buffalo or something blehhh

by SkinDaNFC on Jan 27, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree. This was supposed to be a "great QB draft" but I don't like any of the choices

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jan 27, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.

by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 27, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, Kevin.

Which is why you spend the draft (at least your first few picks) solidifying the line with youth, and rolling with what you have at QB. If a franchise QB is available a couple of years from now, THEN you pull the trigger. Right now, stand pat and go elsewhere with the first round pick, or trade down and pick up a second rounder.

by J.Cash on Jan 27, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

There are no first round qbs this year…and too many needs for a second rounder, esp if you are drafting what should be a later round qb in the 2nd bec it is a weak qb class

by les boulez bomber on Jan 27, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone else posted a good comment in another thread.

Washington receivers dropped a crazy amount of passes from Jake Locker this year. 44 if I remember correctly. If this number is correlated to an average number, like Stanford’s 12 for Andrew Luck, then Jake Locker’s completion percentage would’ve actually been over 60%.
Just sayin…

by SSBlitz on Jan 27, 2011 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

There is some truth there...

I do think Locker’s numbers are a bit lower b/c of the quality of his receivers, but he has always been an inaccurate passer…and just watching the Senior Bowl practices confirm that. Maybe some of those drops turn into completions, but not nearly enough to get to the 60% mark.

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by Steve Shoup on Jan 27, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

60% under pressure is great…60% with no pressure sucks! cant just go by that! players are usually wide open in college. and are you going to penalize a smart qb for throwing it away when it was the right thing to do??

by les boulez bomber on Jan 27, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

this is a great tool

I think Jake Locker really F’d up by staying another year. His Completion % is terrible. Cam Newton scares but if his wonderlic score is good then I’m sold. People act like it doesn’t matter but I have taken the test and if you score low there is a good chance you won’t be able to learn complex offenses. Ryan Mallett just seems like a bust waiting to happen. Think about why people love him…Cuz he’s extremely tall and has a rocket arm. I’ve already heard people talk about how he has a bad reputation and carries an entourage. Sounds like bust material. But he does have all the tools…just like Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, and others had.

I think that unless a QB really impresses then we should trade down and try to get 2 picks out of 1. Maybe two late 1st picks or a back end 1st and high 2nd pick.

RIght now I think we should either draft Cam Newton or Ricki Stanzi at QB. If Ryan Mallet scores high on the wonderlic and passes “evalutation and interviews” I say he is hands down the choice. But like I said, he might be a bust if he lets the fame get to him.

by John Cunningham on Jan 27, 2011 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

Ricki Stanzi is having the worst week of all the North QBs….we’ll see what the game brings on Saturday. Looking fwd to that Game Thread here.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 27, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sold

Call it Bill’s rule, but I can’t think of any one year wonder quarterbacks who were ever worth a darn in the NFL. I’ll go worth Locker or Ponder, thanks.

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by BillWard on Jan 27, 2011 6:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Can you elaborate

can you provide some more insight about the actual test… like what they ask and how they test you? Just curious about it…

by SkinDaNFC on Jan 27, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I've written the Wonderlic

And I’d be scared if our QB couldn’t score more than 26.

Wait, what did Donovan get again….?
Hahaha

by SSBlitz on Jan 27, 2011 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

Two problems I see with the test.

I’ll also add that my mother is a proctor for the Wonderlic, so I have first-hand knowledge on the writing and questions (grading is still sent away, though).

- Very very rarely does someone finish all 50 questions in the allotted time. Having proctored approx. 200 people, my mom has only seen 2 finish with time to spare. As another gauge, I finish every multiple choice exam I’ve ever taken before the majority of my peers (usually before any), and I could only get 45/46 questions completed.

- There are no questions where multiple answers are needed. In your created test there are two where a selection of three is needed.

by SSBlitz on Jan 27, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe it changed?

I got these questions from a sample test on Wonderlic’s site.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 27, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

As a general gauge, though.

I did get pretty close to the same score on yours than on the actual test.

by SSBlitz on Jan 27, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

nice

i took the test and timed myself and got a 32.5, now all i need is about 6 more inches of height and the ability to throw further than my driveway and i might be suitin up for the skins next year! FTW!!!!!

by _QB1_ on Jan 29, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, David Carr, Heath Shuler, Jimmy Clausen, Jay Cutler, Joey Harrington, Tim Couch, Brady Quinn, Alex Smith (1 game short), Jeff George, and Vince Young (horrible Wonderlic). Yes, these are all huge busts but were all VERY high (or projected) 1st rounders.

I don’t know if I’d call Jay Cutler a bust. He was a pro-bowler under Shanahan, and the change to Martz’s system hasn’t been great to his stats, but he was still in the NFC Championship game.

by SSBlitz on Jan 27, 2011 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

no doubt

I meant to put him in a separate TBD category.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 27, 2011 2:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

one edit

Sanchez only started one full season and a handful of other games, def. not near the 27 game mark

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by Steve Shoup on Jan 27, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but the measure is number of starts

His freshman year he might have gotten in 6 games but he didn’t start any.

according to wikipedia (not the best source, but from my memory it is about accurate) He started 3 games his RS Sophomore year (Arizona, ND, Oregon) and all of his RS Junior year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanchez

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by Steve Shoup on Jan 27, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

yea, I'd buy that...

Who knows if some of those games he handed the ball off 10 straight times to end the game.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 27, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Here Finally found it

Here is his USC player bio leading into the 2008 season and it mentions and acknowledges his 3 starts

http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sanchez_mark00.html

Personally I am a believer that Sanchez not being included makes this formula more valid. I’m not a big fan of Sanchez, and while I see some of the potential there, I think he needed to sit a few years. In two seasons his numbers have been extremely pedestrian, and that is despite having multiple talented players around him on offense and a defense that constantly gives him great field position. Jets would have been much better served staying where they were at and drafting Josh Freeman.

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by Steve Shoup on Jan 27, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Which side of the line did Jason Campbell fall on?

And was this “rating system” around when he was drafted?…..meaning if he fell on the fail side, why was he drafted?

by CuseSkinsfan1 on Jan 27, 2011 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

Didn't pass...

Games: 49
Passing : 64.6
Wonderlic: 23

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 27, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I am shocked...

This crappy rating system must be wrong.

by Shannafan on Jan 27, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

campbell is better than anyone we have on our roster

by les boulez bomber on Jan 27, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

From what I gather..

This rating system only came out last year by a journalist.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 27, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

good article

And while I (if I were the GM or HC) wouldn’t make the decision totally on the formula I certainly would use it as part of the criteria for the decision.

So what’s the low down on the guys who passed the criteria?

by aFan4Life on Jan 27, 2011 3:11 PM EST reply actions  

What about Gabbert?

Or was he not in the list because he very well could be off the board at 10?

by Jim Bob 585 on Jan 27, 2011 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

Great Research And Post:

I am completely in the camp that the Redskins should avoid most of these signal callers for where they are likely to be drafted. Washington needs to trade back and stockpile picks, and even then I’d be wary of taking a quarterback in the top 3 rounds.

While I’m sure a couple of good to great starters will come out of this draft class, I think any that succeed will need the Rivers/Rodgers treatment of 2-3 years on the bench to learn and develop. Now obviously that just doesn’t make sense from the Redskins point of view since they have glaring needs at over a dozen positions.

Assuming the Redskins add some extra picks in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds here are the QB’s I’d target
Ponder in the 3rd-very polished, decent arm, I think he can move quicker than most
Kaepernick-4th-needs to work on his mechanics, but has some of the highest upside in this class
Stanzi-4th-not a great Sr. Bowl week, but I think he can grow into a Gus Ferrotte type starter
Dalton-4th- lack of arm strength worries me, I like his other skills
Nathan Enderle- 5th-has the starts, but not the completion percentage, looks like a raw talent to me, with a huge arm. Needs dev. time but some promise is there

One final note, I don’t believe in putting a lot of stock in freshmen or Redshirt freshman numbers, especially when looking at career completion % or rating, it’s like using the East German Judge’s score to really impact the final tally. Now I’m not saying they aren’t important at all, just that Stanzi throwing 4 incomplete passes 4 years ago is pretty meaningless (and would put him at 60%). Even for guys like Locker, Kaepernick, Dalton etc. who really started as freshmen its best value is evaluating how a prospect has grown. Just my 2 cents

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by Steve Shoup on Jan 27, 2011 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

Trading back would be nice, but finding someone who covets a guy enough to give up two good picks for him is the problem.

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by ThaRak on Jan 28, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes sir, great article Kevin.

This is what I’ve been preaching — nay, proselytizing — for weeks. The rule exists because the evidence over time supports it, not just to be arbitrary. There are always exceptions, but when you go for an exception, the odds it works out are not very good, else they wouldn’t be exceptions lol.

I do agree that you can excuse some of these things by looking at progression; obviously, it wouldn’t be fair to judge Ryan Mallett by his 43% his freshman year at Michigan. What you should look at, in my opinion, are the last two years of starts. There’s not a tremendous amount of difference between 24 and 27 games started, and in fact for most guys there’s an additional offseason of working and learning between those three games, so looking at the last 24 is a decent representation. If a guy is squeaking by in the junior year and noticeably improves into the senior year, that’s something to be considered. Regression without injuries or major system changes should be a big red flag.

by tuckwell on Jan 27, 2011 4:46 PM EST reply actions  

This rule can be looked at as a filter. Matt Cassel is not the kind of player that would get to first base with it. The Patriots did not have

much to go on even selecting him in the 7th round other than him being a good athlete. While he did have a good season in 2009
with the Patriots, it remains to be seen how he fairs with the Chiefs. His overall completion percentage as a pro is 59 and in 2010 it was 60.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Cassel

Cassel spent his entire Trojan career as a backup behind Heisman Trophy winners Carson Palmer 9 and Matt Leinart. Cassel was the backup for Palmer during his Heisman-winning 2002 season. In the fall, Cassel lost the battle for the starting position to the previous third-string quarterback in Leinart. As a result of Leinart’s success, Cassel spent time at tight end and wide receiver in 2003, and some special teams that year. He started at halfback against California once as well, even making his lone collegiate start at that position. During his four seasons there, Cassel completed 19 of 33 passes for 192 yards, with no touchdowns and one interception.10

He was drafted by the New England Patriots in the seventh round of the 2005 NFL Draft. He played college football at USC.

He became the Patriots’ starting quarterback in Week 2 of the 2008 season after then reigning NFL MVP Tom Brady suffered a season-ending knee injury. According to ESPN research, he is the only known quarterback in NFL history to start an NFL game at quarterback without ever starting at quarterback in college. In February 2009, the Patriots used their franchise tag on Cassel, extending him a one-year contract worth over $14 million, the largest one-year contract for an offensive player in NFL history.23 Later that offseason, the Patriots made a trade which sent Cassel to the Chiefs,4 who signed him to a 6 year, $62.7 million contract in July 2009.

If you like QB stats check this out:
List of NFL quarterbacks who have passed for 400 or more yards in a game
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_quarterbacks_who_have_passed_for_400_or_more_yards_in_a_game

by Jefferson1935 on Jan 27, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

For sure

I think the rule would be applied for drafting a QB in the first three rounds, which is when you would expect 90%+ of your NFL starters to come from.

by tuckwell on Jan 27, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

matt cassell is in the pro bowl this year lol

by les boulez bomber on Jan 27, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Taken from twitter
Mayock on Christian Ponder: “Good, not great arm. I think he’s a West Coast quarterback. Combine and Pro Day will be important.”

I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble

by CptChaosSidekick on Jan 27, 2011 5:32 PM EST reply actions  

I'd agree with that

with the caveat that his deep arm just needs a little time to come back strong. For a look at the kind of throw he’s been capable of in the past: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Jar435rnc&feature=related

by tuckwell on Jan 27, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Football Outisders

have their own strategy similar to this which is Wins + Completion Percentage. Colt McCoy was rated highly on their strategy.

I dunno if I trust the Wonderlic, I am concerned by any intelligence type test that a lot of African Americans fail, remember when IQ tests were discovered to have cultural biases, I just wonder if the Wonderlic has the same issue. For example, McNabb seems like a real smart guy for an athlete and his score was awful according to the above.

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Jan 27, 2011 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

Check the examples posted further up the thread

I don’t think there’d be any cultural biases in the test. Now, we COULD get into a big discussion about how the majority of top-flight athletes come from areas that are poor and have terrible school systems (South Florida is a great example, Dade County is awful), and these kids are coddled and excused through school simply because of their talent. And, the fact that a majority of those athletes from areas like South Florida are African American. But, that would all be a separate thread. :)

by tuckwell on Jan 27, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks mate

sorry, I am at work when I am on this site so I usually only have time to skim through the comments, but after you pointed this out I read some and it is very interesting.

As for inner city school systems in the States, I am a huge fan of the Wire and season 4 pretty much alerted me to the nightmare that is the US School System, just so so terribly scary and sad

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by Pommylee on Jan 27, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Great work Ken... Redskins 2nd Most Exciting Team in the NFL?

This a great post and very insightful… I hope the Redskins FO pays attention, this is a VERY important draft for the Redskins, we can not afford to have another bad draft, we’re already behind the eight ball around the league. Even with that said, I came across an article today and posted it on my site, Ball Hogs Radio that has the Redskins ranked as the 2nd most exciting team in the NFL in 2010. Interesting…

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by BallHogsRadio on Jan 27, 2011 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

Unfair to call Clausen a bust right now -

he started games in his first year. Cutler is no bust as a quarterback. He is a bust as a public speaker – he has the worst demeanor I’ve ever seen. Who the heck is McElroy? – it sure looks as if he is extremely accurate. Most of the well known top guys don’t have impressive statistics – like Newton only one good year, Locker a history of low completion percentages, Mallett and Gabbert mainly good final years. It could be that none of the mentioned QBs is worth the #10 pick, if for no other reason than that we can get somebody pretty promising much lower – like at 42. But that would be very bad news – we badly need a top quarterback.
   Hard to believe McNabb’s Wonderlic score – had to be a bad day. Difficult timed tests, which most don’t finish, like the SAT, tend to favor people who are good at taking tests (like I was), not the same thing as intelligence. Donovan’s score could suggest he’s a slow worker (not dumb, just slow and deliberative, gets hung up on one question – which would be fatal on the SAT).

by Donnio1234 on Jan 27, 2011 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

I'm no fan of Clausen

but I have found it suprising that Carolina didnt try and sign Charlie Weiss as an OC to see if he could get the best out of Clausen after that (statistical) success they had together at ND

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Jan 30, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Marino scored a 16 on the wonderlic.

I think he’s got some potential but probably won’t go until late in the 1st RD.

I consider myself a one man wolfpack..

by Diesel44 on Jan 27, 2011 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

He's very successful

CBS’ pre-game show. No dumbie.

by Donnio1234 on Jan 27, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Wonderlic seems to be the least important of the three.

Judging by the various exceptions, looks like the most important stat is completion % in college, followed by games played, followed by Wonderlic. Gotta be careful though, that low Wonderlic score can either indicate general lack of intelligence (V. Young) or just not good at taking tests (McNabb, Marino)

by tuckwell on Jan 28, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

i just dont think you can scout like this…maybe a starting point. truth is, accuracy is the most important attribute by far. it is not the end all, but if they cant hit their target, it really does not matter.

watch a game…last weeks nfc championship…you could tell early the packers MOST LIKELY were going to win…cutler was inaccurate…throwing high several times. he missed deep balls long. a more accurate qb would have had chi either even or up by the half.

you cant get that just from stats…you have to watch a game or two. accurate throwing with no pressure should be a given. without it, forget them. the good qbs are accurate with some pressure.

cam newton is too inaccurate for sure, i hear locker is pretty awfull too…if you remember bradford, the one thing people talked about was his accuracy! (aside from the shoulder lol)

skins should draft a DE or RT with the first pick. serviceable DT can be had in later rounds! as with guards. though with this crew if they draft any lineman first i will be overjoyed!

by les boulez bomber on Jan 27, 2011 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

Cam Newton is actually extremely accurate

He had a 66% completion percentage & a QB rating of 182, the highest of any QB in Div.1 this year

by ENsDad27 on Jan 27, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

How was he...

last year? Sorry this game is about practice and repetition.

by Shannafan on Jan 27, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

not sure I understand the question
How was he…
last year? Sorry this game is about practice and repetition.

Well…he did win the National Championship with no elite talent at any of the skill positions as well as a Heisman. Do you mean the year before last ?? He won a National Championship at the Juco level with powerhouse Blinn. My response tho was about his accuracy, not looking to get into a big Cam Newton firestorm.

by ENsDad27 on Jan 27, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

He may not have had great receivers, but his running threat really helped his passing game.

He scared the crap out of the Defense when he faked like he was going to run. He helped get his receivers become wide open because of it. That alone boosts his completion percentage big time. The main throw i remember from him was his incomplete pass deep in the championship game. The receiver was open by was overthrown big time.

I’m not saying he is a bad QB, or won’t be a very good QB in the NFL, but he is a work in progress and needs a lot of help to become a good passer.

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by Horcasitas4 on Jan 28, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

mostly agree

but most RT’s are 1st rounders either. While I’m all for building the lines, there’s a good chance that there won’t be a RT worthy of a 1st round pick at the #10 pick. Of course there’s a good chance that there won’t be a position we need that is worthy of a 1st round pick in which case I’m ok with just going for a needed position (RT).

by aFan4Life on Jan 28, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Stick with Grossman, get lineman at #10 because we can still use them. Let McNabb walk.

Next season trade the house to move up to get Luck. He’s the only sure thing coming out of college in the next few years. Some of these other guys have stuff going for them, but everyone of them have more questions than answers. Luck’s the total package. He’s the best prospect I’ve seen since Manning.

by It's Always Sunny in DC on Jan 27, 2011 8:18 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah he is

but unless we only win two games next year it’ll take more than “the house” to get him

by ENsDad27 on Jan 27, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

They probably could not get Luck next year, no matter what

Ponder has good stats, and good reviews at the Senior Bowl – said to be the most polished and NFL-ready QB. But the big problem is with injuries, one of which apparently hurt his arm, and it is still hurting – still weak. If the arm can return to full strength, Ponder could be the best QB in the draft. Also nice – they might be able to get him in the second or third round. It’s all up to Shanahan to pick wisely.

by Donnio1234 on Jan 27, 2011 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

I still believe that Locker is the best QB in the draft.

His completion percentage is misleading. I’ll give him a big pass because of his receivers who don’t get open and constantly drop balls. I’m not saying he doesn’t need to work on his accuracy, it will come with his improving footwork. He is the most talented QB in the draft by far and his work ethic is exactly what you want in a QB.
Locker
Positives:
Athletic, smart, strong arm, good leader, great work ethic, good release.
Negatives: Accuracy/footwork.
The Shanahans can develop him quickly and he can be a probowl QB.
Locker’s draft stock qill rise in the coming months(like many QBs in years past) and he will be a no brainer top 10 pick.

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by Horcasitas4 on Jan 28, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

His accuracy has been horrible all week tho w/ the best WRs in the country.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 28, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

But that sort of thing can be coached.

However, that also means he won’t be able to step in and start right away.

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by DCO'sfan on Jan 28, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Can accuracy be coached?

Not arguing, just wondering. Would seem to be a natural talent, like hitting a baseball. But it could be hard to judge because completion percentage in any one year or situation could vary depending on a lot of factors, masking the real “accuracy” (just how good a passer the guy really is). But when you see comparatively low accuracy over time and in a lot of situations, you just have to worry a bit. Maybe enough to not take the guy with a high pick. But it’s a matter of degree – Shanahan will just have to decide if he can give up the accuracy.

by Donnio1234 on Jan 29, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

To answer your question, I'd say no. Accuracy comes with repetitions of doing the same thing over and over again.

Another factor is target area. Same way you brought up baseball, a bigger target yields a greater strike zone. Same in football with WR’s. The bigger the target, the easier it should be to put the ball where the receiver can catch it. So when McNabb/Grossman/ or whoever is behind center has 5’10 (really 5’8") guys to throw to 10+ yards down the field, then yes, it’s much harder to hit those guys. Matt Shuab looked brilliant in Kyle Shanahan’s offense, but look who he was throwing to in Walter, Johnson, Jones. All 6’2+ WR’s.

by J.Cash on Jan 29, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

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