Redskins Finalize 53-man Roster--Henson Waived
Wow...Robert Henson was cut? That was a surprise. As soon as we have an update on his knee we will pass it along.
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by Ken Meringolo on Sep 5, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Not very quickly
if the curse lives up to its reputation.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Tough on Henson
I’m happy about Paulsen, Young and Roydell Williams.
Henson theory
Maybe they think they can stash him away since he’s injured and resign him, unless it’s a bad injury.
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Sep 4, 2010 9:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hope a few of these guys land on the practice squad
Obviously Henson deserves it, as well as Austin. I would have liked them to give Selvish Capers some time to develop as well. He is a big prototypical lineman, fresh out of college and rough around the edges. He played tight end and then tackle in college, and iirc was moved to guard by the ‘Skins at one point. It’s a shame they didn’t allow some time to coach him up at OT, so I’m hoping they keep him on PS as well.
I guess I just wanted more of our draft picks to work out.
One thing to consider about Capers is that he will be 25 during the season. That does not give him as much time to
develop as the usually guy coming out of college, i.e., typically 22.
by Jefferson1935 on Sep 5, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
According to NFP
He made the practice squad along with Austin, Torain and Cook.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Redskins-have-signed-seven-to-practice-squad.html
I hope the fact that there are only 7 on the practice squad.
Means we are bringing in another quality vet.
Housh?
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by matthiasstephan on Sep 5, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I was kinda hoping Fat Albert was gonna be on that list
'' If we score , we might win . If they dont score , We will win '' Willis White
That would be too much of a sunk cost, even for Shanahan, imo.
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by matthiasstephan on Sep 5, 2010 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions
i still dont understand why they did not cut him if they could not trade him before the 22mm dollar pay day. the red flags were everywhere. it cost us 25 million dollars for him to play for us this year- maybe not all salary cap-wise, but this being an uncapped year, would have been a great year to take a hit!
by les boulez bomber on Sep 5, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
They had to pay that bonus
If they didn’t it would guarantee later years of his salary at a much higher cap fit. Not paying the bonus would have been making things worse for us. Better to pay it now than have it screw us over the next 2-3 years.
by BayAreaBullet on Sep 6, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
The 2010 draft class
Our top 2 picks were able to stick. Our 3rd pick was traded for a future draft pick. The three 7th rounders got released, but the word is they are all being brought back to the PS if they clear tomorrow.
Does that about sum it up?
where's the guy
that’s responsible for Kareem and Chris Horton.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I think Vinny
works at the local Sac-N-Pac he’s running the fantasy league there
that sucks
Henson really showed me something that last game, and I don’t usually out stock into one game. But he was downright dominant. It really shows you the downside of the business. If he hadn’t blown his knee, he’d prob’ly be on the roster. Hopefully they’ll put him on the PS, or maybe make it back on the team somehow. We all know this isn’t the FINAL 53.
Speakin of, I sure hope there’s a decent O lineman prospect or two hitting the waiver wire.
by CJHutch on Sep 4, 2010 10:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
that sucks
Henson really showed me something that last game, and I don’t usually out stock into one game. But he was downright dominant. It really shows you the downside of the business. If he hadn’t blown his knee, he’d prob’ly be on the roster. Hopefully they’ll put him on the PS, or maybe make it back on the team somehow. We all know this isn’t the FINAL 53.
Speakin of, I sure hope there’s a decent O lineman prospect or two hitting the waiver wire.
by CJHutch on Sep 4, 2010 10:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
sh!t
Seems I did. Stupid mobile blogging. I just watched Wall Street (1). You didn’t have these problems with those brick cell phones from back in the day. I think the memory cards in those things were actual VHS tapes. Or maybe BETA.
Wall Street
Great movie. I’m almost hesitant to see the sequel because the original was such a classic.
Any guesses as to why the delay? There doesn’t appear to be any breaking news accompanying this list.
Delay reason(s)
The Skins were trying to trade reinheart & from what I’ve read, make other trades.
I expect Bruce Allen to be looking very hard to see who got cut. There’s some players who made the cut that still aren’t out of the woods.
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Sep 4, 2010 11:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
more Haynesworth drama
anyone see this crap being floated out there about Shanny saying he’s “had enough” of Haynesworth? I just heard a clip of it on Sportsnite, but I think they said La Canforskin was reporting it. I really can’t stand that dude, and I hope he’s wrong. But apparently he’s saying SHanny watched the game film and was pissed that Big Al wasn’t pushing hard enough in his “heavy workload” against Arizona. I just don’t know what to think here. I was really hoping we were done with this, and that that game was the last challenge Shanny had for Fat Al. Supposedly some of the players even said that that was enough from Shanahan.
Anyway, like I said, I really hope JLC is just making this up, which he’s been known to do. He is the one who reported that Big Al would be inactive for the first game, so MAYBE (?) this story is a way to legitimize that one.
Jason Reid of Redskin Insider fame
This was also mentioned in the Post. (not insider portion) he said two anonymous people that work for the organization came out & said basically what La Confora “reported”. Also it was said that his film from the game was horrid. Practice today apparently didn’t go so well as to they’re considering making him inactive for the opener.
If this is true they need to dump him. He’s a great player when he wants to be but I think it’s going to come down to:
A) can they get return value via trade
B) can Snyder handle being the but of another FA redskin fail?
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Sep 5, 2010 1:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I've heard the 'reports'
All I can say at this point is, I’ll believe it when I see it. If Mike Shanahan makes Albert Haynesworth inactive for the Dallas Cowboys game next Sunday while I am standing/tailgating in front of the Comcast stage, THEN I will believe it. And even then I might have to actually witness Haynesworth on the sidelines in street clothes to truly accept it.
It just sounds beyond asinine at this point to even be considering not playing him. It’s DALLAS. If we go in and lose without our best defensive lineman, then everyone and their brother will be pointing at Shanahan wondering why he was so proud and arrogant. At that point, I think Shanahan would probably justifiably start losing some of his credibility. There are already some people chomping at the bit for him to fail anyway.
At least play AH and let everyone witness his performance. It’s not like we’re NOT going to notice if he’s half-assing or ineffective. If/when he is, THEN it would be time to consider making him inactive for future games.
Agree with all of that but the one caveat
Say the film of him is really bad vs Arizona, how do you let him play vs he only " turns it on "when he wants?
I’d like to think shanahan wants players to hustle and there’s nothing wrong with that. It is a fact that haynesworth flopped on the ground about every game. Also fact that he skipped all of the conditioning OTA’s. So he wanted to see how he’d respond to a full game.
Holding out haynesworth out vs Dallas for spite is dumb but if he’s thinking he’s above the team then that’s a whole other issue. Either way this needs to be dealt with. Fans are sick of it, I can only imagine how redskins park is feeling about it.
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Sep 5, 2010 5:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If he is wearing street clothes
then he will walk out of the stadium and find you VA_Skin. He will come to your car and he will make you grill him a hot dog.
by SkinsOsTerps on Sep 5, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
he may be good for one out every three plays…if we are lucky. id start him there and play him more or less depending on his effort
by les boulez bomber on Sep 5, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
sad but you really have to treat a baby like a baby
by les boulez bomber on Sep 5, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
NEW REGIME
For now at least….I’m buying into Shanahan’s plan!
1) He’s not afraid to cut his own or Cerrato’s previous draft picks if he doesn’t think they can play! Reihnart, a Cerrato 3rd rounder, was a bust from the start so it’s no surprise they couldn’t trade him and Capers, Shanahan’s own 7th rounder, apparently wasn’t any better.
2) Hayesworth WAS horrible against Arizona’s B and C teams…but worse than that…he was back to freelancing…..ignoring his assignments, trying to pad his own stats. If he does that against a team like Dallas, the defense will get gashed for long touchdown runs.
Capers it sounds like
is going to get put on the practice squad. I don’t think we’ve necessarily seen the end of him yet.
by SkinsOsTerps on Sep 5, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm with Shanny
I’m disappointed Austin and Henson didn’t make it…hopefully they clear waivers and end up on the PS. Love that Armstrong made it.
As for Haynesworth, I am squarely behind the coach. Shanny knows what it takes to get to and win games in the playoffs. Can’t say the same for AH. You can’t have one player thinking and acting like he is bigger than the team.
My give a damn broke.
by davesomethin on Sep 5, 2010 8:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
MY WAY OR NO PLAY
Sooooooo true! At Tennessee, Haynesworth didn’t “star” until they built the D around him and let him do whatever he wanted. He made sacks….which is what most Pro Bowl voters concentrate on… but he was NOT a complete player. When Blache tried to make him follow an assignment and hold a lane, he frequently took plays off. Now Hasslet wants him to follow an assignment and Albert wants no part of that, either. So, unless Mr. Snyder wants to re-name his investment The Haynesworth Redskins, I am also on Shanny’s side.
no you can't
But you also can’t have a COACH who thinks he’s better than the team. I’m not necessarily siding with Albert here, I’m just trying to look at both sides. Back in June Shanny had the team behind him, so there was no doubt who was right. But if, as Comcast reported the other day, the team is saying enough of the “examples” from Shanahan, its time for the regular season, then he needs to check his own ego before he loses the team.
Again, I’m not 100% on Haynesworth’s side here, cuz I think he’s an ASS. What I think Shanny needs to do here is call in the team leaders/vets, and get their take. Hell, show THEM the tape. If they think Al’s behavior sucks, then sit him. But if they think its because Shanny pushed too far, then the coach needs to give some ground here.
All I know is, you win in this league with dominant players, and Fat Albert, WHEN HE WANTS TO BE, is the most dominant player on our team, if not the league.
ALREADY DONE
The whole team…or at least the whole defense….is shown the tape of each game. The “leaders/vets” you speak of have already seen the same thing the coaches saw…and my guess is it didn’t inspire a newfound respect for Mr. Haynesworth.
You did hit the proverbial nail on the head when you said Albert can be domination when he wants to be….the problem is, he only WANTS TO BE when he thinks he can pad his own stats.
Hey! I’m not saying Shanahan is a saint but I am saying it’s a safe bet that the other defenders would rather have someone playing next to them who will at least TRY to fulfill his assignment instead of taking the wrong lane or leaving his gap wide open.
yes, they probably have
but, wouldn’t you think that they would have noticed DURING THE GAME if he was dogging it? Especially if he was doing it the whole game, like La Canforskin reported.
Again, I’m not necessarily backing Haynesworth. All I’m saying is that if the players said “Enough is enough” after the game, then it would seem that team sentiment is starting to flow his way. Now, if that changes after them seeing film, fine. But if they STILL think “Enough is enough” (which, BTW, kind of sounds to me like they were getting tired of Shanny’s “examples” before this), then the coach may need to check his ego. The whole point of all this in the first place was to make sure the team knows that Haynesworth, or anyone else, is NOT above the the rest of them. In other words, it was to keep Shanny from LOSING the team. Well, if his approach is causing him to lose the team, then we’re in bigger trouble.
LOL
Look, you may be right but consider one OTHER thing about that “enough is enough” line…..
THE OTHER PLAYERS HAVE EGOS, TOO!
We’re not talking about shy, retiring guys who are scrimping and saving just to get by: We’re talking about very well-paid and very athletic men who ARE SICK TO DEATH of everyone asking them about Haynesworth instead of asking about how THEY did in the game, scrimmage or whatever.
Look, I don’t know. I read all I can and I get no sense that Shanahan is in any danger of “losing the team”….but I’m not in that locker room every day. However, when I did cover college sports, I found 99% of players wanted to talk about THEMSEVES and not some guy who practices and plays WHEN HE FEELS LIKE IT.
all true
For me, all it comes down to is whether the players are more sick of Haynesworth’s antics or if, at this point, they’re more tired of Shanahan’s “discipline”. Yes, I would tend to believe that they are sick of Big Al. But the “enough is enough” statement (in which they were referencing Shanny playing Haynesworth more than anyone he would play in a normal game) leads me to believe that there is some sentiment that Shanahan is going too far, or at least close to it.
After Thursday's game
it really is hard for it not to look personal isn’t it? I think that’s the main danger of how Shanahan is doing this. After the last couple of loose seasons I think his discipline is very welcome but I also don’t know if it’s good for Shanahan to come off to the whole team as being willing to hold a grudge against someone and never allow the player to redeem himself.
Like other posters have said I think it all comes down to whether or not the rest of the team thinks Haynesworth deserves this.
by SkinsOsTerps on Sep 5, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
COULD BE
As I said earlier….you may be right….but for now let’s wait and see what Shanahan DOES say on Monday. This whole “inactive” thing could pure bull. Or, possibly even Shanny’s machiavellian way of mis-directing Dallas….who knows?
Either way, Mr. Snyder ain’t payin’ me to make these decision…darn it!
(Memo to Dan: I AM available and could use the paycheck!)
With all due respect, Hutch...
Name any of the following coaches who ever gave a rat’s behind what players thought of his or her style of leadership:
- Vince Lombardi
- Adolph Rupp
- Paul “Bear” Bryant
- Herb Brooks
- Pat Summitt
- General George C. Patton (not a coach, but there are plenty of parallels)
Can’t find one? I didn’t think so. But each one of these coaches found a way to get the best out of their players, win championships, and carve out legendary resume’s for their respective careers.
Yes, I know that all but one of them coached amateurs. I am also aware that their common, dominant, “I am the boss and if you don’t like it then there’s the door” philosophy is not the only approach that wins championships. And I know that this is the 21st Century, and professional sports is a big-money business.
However, it is the type of discipline that the Redskins need RIGHT NOW. A lack of focus and an inmates-running-the-asylum type of attitude from any major player, a la Haynesworth, cannot and should not be tolerated. Even though it is my personal belief that ALL players of ALL teams, especially in the sport of football, could use a dose of humility from a coach who demands absolute obedience and discipline – with the many recent years of utter dysfunction in Washington, that sort of leadership is EXACTLY the prescription that is needed for our Skins to win, and win quickly.
Given your sentiment, then what is the point of having a head coach? Is it not a subject understood, that it’s the HC’s way or the highway? This is true of any boss in any other occupation. Just because football players are professionals, and they are the superstars who move the merch, does not make them authorities on proper coaching and personnel development. That is why head coaches are hired; they make the decisions…and don’t worry – if they fail, they’ll be fired.
But allowing a regard for the players’ feelings on how a team should be managed only undermines the HC’s vision and authority, and only opens the door for dissension and distraction (i.e. Terrell Owens…‘nuff said). If that is how things should operate, then why not only hire coordinators to call plays, and then let the players all be assistants, taking everyone’s input on how the game plan should be run..to not hurt anyone’s feelings, you know? Try that philosophy in any other arena of the working world, and see what you get.
I know that sounds a bit extreme, but when players have the freedom to “be tired of Shanahan’s discipline”, then how much overall discipline does the team really have? More importantly, will that win football games in the long run? No matter how popular a player, no matter his level of talent, and no matter how much money he is being paid – tolerance of anything other than the head coach’s governance is a recipe for mediocrity.
by Dixie's Football Pride on Sep 5, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're misinterpreting me
I don’t give a pigs porker about Haynesworth’s feelings. The guy’s a grade A a$$h0le. What I’m more worried about is how the rest of the team feels. The guys you named? Great coaches, all of them. But, I’m sorry to say, none of them woulda won had they had the entire locker room against them. Plenty of great coaches have been done in by losing the locker room.
So, again, basically my sentiment is the same as Teels. I’m giving it a wait and see approach. Only what I’m waiting for is to hear how the rest of the team reacts to all this.
but paying full time money for part time dominance is the fastest path to the funny farm- u just cant do it. and they should have known it before paying him 22mm in april
by les boulez bomber on Sep 5, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I am pumped that Banks made the team
No one else seems to excited (understandably because Austin got cut), but I hope Banks makes it onto the field for some punt returns (and doesn’t fumble it). I like to think that being able to hold onto the ball is something that they can teach him, then his speed can be a potent weapon. I dream of seeing what the skins can do when they repeatedly have decent field position, which is a situation they were rarely in last season.
the problem is
Banks makes it onto the field for some punt returns (and doesn’t fumble it).
he didn’t show he could hold on to it when it was SUPPOSED TO mean him getting the job. That last game was his biggest test, and he dropped it more there than any other time. That makes me extremely nervous. What good is one touchdown, if you fumble it 3 or 4 other times? Frankly, I would’ve liked to see them give Austin more of a look back there returning punts. He seemed to be pretty elusive as well. Is he as shifty as Banks? No. But it’s ALWAYS easier to get further with the ball when you actually have the ball in your hand.
Now, that said, I do believe that Austin would be easier to keep on the practice squad than Banks. I’m betting another coach would think they could “fix” Banks’ problems. This way, we get to put him through real practice, and maybe give him some game time. Then if he still can’t hold on to the ball, we can always jettison him and pull Austin up from the PS.
Haynesworth
That was a very discouraging article in the Post. If he was that bad against AZ and didn’t practice much on Saturday, you have to question his attitude. I have mostly defended him and thought he was a professional who would play hard, and recent statements from him and teammates support that. But if in fact he is sulking and dogging it, not learning the defense, they can’t let him start against Dallas. If he doesn’t play hard, he won’t help the team, and they should just rely on Carriker, Daniels, Golston and Holliday at DE, and Bryant and Kemoeatu at NT. It would be irritating, but they can live without him. Forget money and the past – just ask – who will play best out there?
AMEN
I agree….but CJHutch has a different take that’s at least worth considering. Still, I’m inclined to agree with you.
againhe
I don’t want anyone to think I’m “on Haynesworth’s side”. I’m not. But I’m not necessarily on Shanahan’s side either. I’m on the side of THE TEAM, and whatever is best for it. If sitting Haynesworth is best for the team, so be it. BUT, if sitting him is detrimental to the team, then I am against it. And, I’ll even go one step further and say if sitting him is detrimental to the team’s respect of Shanahan, then I’m against it.
Like I said before, this could all be made up. But if the vets on the team think Shanahan is going to far, after previously supporting him, then his stance may be a problem. This part of the article references some of the stuff I’ve heard:
People close to Haynesworth on the team insist he would play hard against the Cowboys. The Redskins are better with Haynesworth on the field, two of his teammates said Saturday, adding they hope Shanahan views the situation similarly.
K Williams
I’m glad he made the team. I think he’s going to surprise some people.
no but i love the ten titans website. they actually have useful information on the front page. unlike washingtonredskins dot com which is 80% ads to generate revenue for the team somehow and u have to dig for useful stuff (with the lone exception being the one link front and center- one!)
by les boulez bomber on Sep 5, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Thought I was the only one who felt that way. Horrible site.
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Sep 5, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Redskins.com
Just went into it, and it is an awkward site – not user friendly at all.
Vincent Jackson pursued by anonymous team, trade falls through the floor
My theory is that it may have been the Redskins and that may have been the reason we took so long to declare our cuts. The reports have indicated that the anonymous team tried to bargain with the Chargers and the trade eventually fell through because the teams could not come to an agreement. To me that sounds like Bruce and Shanny tried everything in their power to avoid giving up a second rounder, but the Chargers weren’t having it.
We have no players they want/ our are willing to give up
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Sep 5, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant draft picks
not to mention paperwork takes a while, I saw it on ESPN apparently they had the contract down but they weren’t agreeing on the picks so both teams pulled out.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Sep 5, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
VJ
I read that SD had only given Seattle permission to talk to him, and those talks foundered. Of course, that was known for days, so maybe your report was, indeed, about the Skins. I think there’s a limit to what they’d pay. Houshmanzadh (or whatever) coming available could have cooled their enthusiasm, too.
well if those are his options, hed be crazy not to go with us. if for no other reason, al davis is in love with speed and drafts a speedy wr pretty high seemingly every year. plus we have a better qb and more proven system and staff. but it prob comes down to money bec i would seriously hope that contract gets renegotiated and cut waaaay back- like 4mm per season!
by les boulez bomber on Sep 6, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
it seems there is a good chance it was us. we have signed no one off the waiver wire. and i believe allen is working hard to do something- at least on the lines and wr.
if it was vj they were pursuing. i am glad they held their discipline. first of all, seattle cant want him as bad as rumored or they would not have cut TJH. that talk of cutting him to clear cap room is bunk. you dont clear cap room for a player you dont have and might not get if you can do it after you sign him! i think mike williams has been a pleasant surprise for them and that is the real reason they are less aggressive.
secondly- this guys value will only go down. once the season starts and teams have found their identity and separate themself and he is deeep into his suspension, then the market might open up for him more to our liking.
and most importantly, i really dont want him on our team anyways. its hard to max out a position other than qb or LT, but if you have to do it, he’d better be perfect. AH is the classic case. the only receivers worth the max are andre johnson and reggie wayne (at least that come to mind). guys with real character and work ethic in addition to being great (marvin harrison, jerry rice, maybe hines ward in his prime etc to name a few more). a guy like moss is tempting but still would not max him out. the vincent jacksons and brandon marshalls of the world are just not worth it.
by les boulez bomber on Sep 6, 2010 12:22 AM EDT reply actions
Housjmandzadeh went to Ravens
according to a report on another thread. Damn!
Haynesworth
I want to support the guy, but watching him against AZ isn’t very encouraging. On the plays I watched, he didn’t seem to be trying very hard – sort of going through the motions. No real effort. Now he might have been pacing himself, knowing they were going to make him play the whole game. He didn’t flop down or take himself out of the game, so in a way, he could say he “lasted”. But his level of effort was low – not good enough to start against Dallas. I think I’d do what the rumor says – don’t start him, put him in in certain packages (ones that he knows) to see if he’s really engaged. Let him know that he’ll get more playing time as he shows he can handle it – and that’s it’s not punishment, but is all about performance. We have to start thinking about moving on without him. If he doesn’t shape up, cut him or trade him for anything we can get.
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