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Kool-Aid Report: Some Spillage with Backups; Roster Questions Answered

Hey-kool-aid-medium_mediumIf the creators of the Bad News Bears were looking to make a football movie, they should start with footage from last night's game. The Skins had a whopping 12 penalties for 110 yards, multiple fumbles, and late conditioning woes. We all knew this would be an ugly game with fumbles and false starts, but I didn't expect the backups to be THAT inconsistent. Does anyone feel as shaky at the backup QB position as I do? Beck channeled his inner Colt Brennan throwing side arm balls with little step. All this stuff can be corrected, so no need to over-react there. It certainly doesn't look good on the stat sheet that Beck's QB rating was 52.1 while Bartel registered a 127.7 on 12/14 completions. Let's not start a 3rd string QB controversy and instead focus on the bubble.

Robert Henson definitely makes the All Kool Aid Team. 7 tackles, 1 sack, (and 2 penalties). He was slicing and dicing and seemed to be involved in every tackle. Devin Thomas played well, but it's clear what coaches mean when they say he's inconsistent. I don't see how he doesn't make this team. He averaged 27.5 yards on his 4 kick returns, which is 5 yards higher than Rock Cartwright's average. I think it's safe to ink him in as the starting kick returner.

Brandon Banks is essentially the 2009 Anthony Alridge. Blazing speed with a stage 5 case of fumbilitis. Outlook? 24 hours to live. We all wanted Banks to make this team, but would you honestly want him back fielding punts against Dallas??? Hell no. I'm not opposed to adding Banks to the practice squad.

And that brings us to the $100 million man, who played 49 of the 55 defensive plays and registered 4 tackles. Shanahan said post game:

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"He has to get in football shape. We have to get him some playing time," Shanahan said. "That is one of the reasons he was playing defensive end and nose tackle. We have to get him in as good as he can possibly be in football shape and there is only one [way] to do it and that is to practice and play."

I kept a pretty stern eye on Haynesworth and he had a consistency to him. On the first 2-3 plays of a new defensive drive, the former Titan would show strength and push. After that, it was a lot of standing around and almost no running, which is going to look really bad on film. Last year, all Haynesworth had to do was lie down or take a knee, and coaches came out with the palm fans and grapes. Notice a difference this year? No taking a knee. No lying around. He was bent over at times, but the days of not fighting through it are over. I guess it's a good sign that's he trying some. Baby steps? 

It's estimated by the Comcast broadcast last night the Redskins will carry the following numbers (and I filled out the players):

QBs: 3 (McNabb, Grossman, Beck)
RBs: 3 (Portis, Johnson, Torain)
WRs: 6 (Moss, Armstrong, Galloway, Austin, Thomas, ??)
TEs: 3 (Cooley, Davis, Paulsen)
OL:9 (Trent, Dockey, Rabach, Hicks, Brown, Heyer, Montgomery, Rinehart, ?Cook?)
DL: 7 (Kemo, Haynesworth, Carriker, Daniels, Golston, Holliday, ?Jarmon?)
LBs: 9 (Fletch, Rocky, Carter, Alexander, Rak, Riley, Wilson, ?Henson?, ??)
CBs: 6 (Hall, Rogers, Barnes, Buchanon, Tryon, ??)
S: 4 (Landry, Horton, Moore, Doughty)
Specialists: 3 (Gano, Bidwell, Sundberg)

Notice a problem there? Where are the full backs??? Ideally we'd only want to carry 1 FB, so let's assume that happens with Sellers and either Torain or Williams goes on Practice Squad. Take away 1 CB spot and carry 5 to make room for the FB. I think they could drop a LB as well and add another FB or Safety, who also can be a solid special teamer (Tyrone Carter or Carey Davis).

Coaches said they're still in flux on a few position spots, so I'm looking forward to Saturday. I'd be surprised if the Redskins didn't make a move on a WR once NFL cuts happen.

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What will be even more intersting is the cuts around the league...

We may want to pick up someone thus cutting someone else. Patrick Crayton wants out again in Dallas, I think he’d be an awesome guy to have in the slot, and he is a great special teams player.

by Parks Smith on Sep 3, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

he'd be a nice little pick up

provided he doesn’t want more than $1-1.5M per

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Sep 3, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely

But seeing a former Cowboy in a Skins uniform…

by bigrm18 on Sep 3, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely can't argue with that one

But seeing a former Cowboy play for the Redskins, or vice versa, will always be weird and unnatural to me.

by bigrm18 on Sep 3, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely.

I enjoyed it last season when Suisham put the blue and silver back on though.

by CarverM on Sep 3, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m still not sold on Galloway

by Parks Smith on Sep 3, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but

I’m not even sure if I was born when he was with Dallas. Wasn’t that like 27 years ago?

by bigrm18 on Sep 3, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

AGREED

And just maybe there’s a GUARD out there!

by Tee L on Sep 3, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cowboys | Patrick Crayton traded

Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:04:54 -0400
“The Dallas Cowboys have traded WR Patrick Crayton to the San Diego Chargers for a 2011 seventh-round draft choice…”

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz0yVzc0gh3

by Jefferson1935 on Sep 3, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

From csnwashington.com
Haynesworth hasn’t missed a practice since returning from dehydration Aug. 23, and in the last two preseason games, he’s played 79 snaps, by far the highest total of any Redskins defensive player. He had four tackles against Arizona.

by CarverM on Sep 3, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

A sack or 2

would have been nice to see. Especially against 3rd stringers. Maybe he’s saving those for Romo…

by VA_Skin on Sep 3, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not his job in this defence....

his job is to occupy blockers so the LBs and Safeties can make the plays!

by shvd98z24 on Sep 3, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

At NT, you are correct.

But Haynesworth has been lining up at DE for the majority of our defensive formations. And he has been attacking the QB – A LOT. I fully expected to see multiple sacks by the end of the Arizona game. He should have been out there blowing people up.

by VA_Skin on Sep 3, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

3-4 DEs

aren’t typically sack machines either

by CarverM on Sep 3, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

3-4 DEs like Darnell Dockett are more of the exception than the rule.

by VA_Skin on Sep 4, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

DL in the 3-4 simply aren't....

expected to make those plays they are expected to clog the line and create lanes for the LBs and DBs to get through. They are basically taking the role of the OL and letting the backers be the QBs and RBs on defense. If you have a guy that can make plays from those positions (DL)….that’s a huge bonus. Haynesworth is still learning…and still getting in game shape. If you watched that game…he should have made some noise considering some of they players he got to line up across from. He would be fine the first couple plays….but a lot of standing around. You would see Henson make a play….then Haynesworth would be walking through the corner of the shot. That’s why Shanahan has been so down on him!

by shvd98z24 on Sep 4, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I suspect Haynesworth's play helped Henson in his pass rushes. It seems to me that the other Skins' ILB;

Fletcher, McIntosh, Riley, and Blades; did not blitz as much or as frequently as Henson did in the 4th preseason game. The Ravens and Jets may have been blitzing from the ILB position, but I didn’t know the players (numbers in the 50’s). Yet the 3 down linemen in the 3-4 usually occupy blockers so that the blockers are out numbered by the pass rushers.

by Jefferson1935 on Sep 4, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I am saying...

although it’s not his job in the 3-4 to be the playmaker….he should be able to still make some plays…he’s that kind of player. With Henson making all those plays…one could assume AH did his job to start those plays…..Shannahan’s problem is it’s a 2-second burst and then walk around lost! Can you think of one play in that game the AH truly finished a play? pitiful…..but I hope MS can get it fixed….but we can live without him!

by shvd98z24 on Sep 5, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since Henson got cut after he was injured in the Cardinals game isn't it also possible that the coaching

staff let him go beyond vanilla? The other Skins ILB may also be able to blitz like Henson did but have been concentrating more on pass coverage. With the 3-4 scheme it is not always known by the offense where the pass rush is coming from which makes blocking assignments difficult to call. At the same time while an ILB blitzes some other front 7 player may need to fall back into pass coverage (not likely an NT like Kemo or Bryant).

by Jefferson1935 on Sep 6, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that Westbrook is going to get cut

to keep Tyrone Carter around at safety because Moore is hurt.

by CarverM on Sep 3, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd rather Bartel than Beck.

And I don’t see Banks making the team. That was a fun battle to watch last night. It went back and forth for the duration. It was clear that Shanny was targeting each of them on subsequent drives in the 4th, and when Banks would have a bad series, Austin would counter with a good one, and vice versa. Ultimately I think Austin came out on top.

by ReggieBullits on Sep 3, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Beck looks bad every time I see him play

going back to his Dolphin days.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Sep 3, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I think

They may have unnecessarily jumped the gun when they gave Beck that contract.

by bigrm18 on Sep 3, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its a shame we have to keep 3 QBs

I’d rather use that roster spot on Keiland Williams or Darrell Young.

by CarverM on Sep 3, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

cosign

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Sep 3, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

what's the deal with 'emergency' QBs?

they count against the 53, but not against the game day active list?

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Sep 3, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

You got it

The game active list is like 47 or something like that and they don’t count towards that #.

by Parks Smith on Sep 3, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto

Just don’t see what they see in Beck.

by tony420 on Sep 3, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto again - Bartel looks better than Beck

Appears they jumped the gun. My own very amateur impressions: Parker looked good – fast and dangerous; Williams looked better than Torain; I’d go CP, LJ, WP, Williams on PS. Thomas locked up a spot on the roster; Ramzee Robinson had an up and down night. Others say Tryon won a spot. On WR, Kevin’s list above looks solid – Moss, Galloway, Armstrong, Thomas, Austin. The sixth could be Williams, Wade or Banks. The O-line has no depth. Heyer, maybe Cook, maybe Lichtensteiger – please watch the wires for somebody better! Ditto at WR – like Crayton (mentioned above). AH got some good work in – should be ready to go against Dallas.

by Donnio1234 on Sep 3, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd cut Parker for Williams

Parker doesn’t really bring anything to this team. He can’t get the hard yards, he can’t get anything more than what’s blocked, and he can’t play on teams. Williams can do that, and he’s just a rookie. I say keep the versatile rookie over the old one-trick pony. I also like Williams over Torain.

My 3 RBs would be Portis, Johnson and Williams.

by CarverM on Sep 3, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

CP, LJ, Keiland Williams

Could be, can’t argue. Just seems to me that Fast Willie is the only one (besides CP) who’s really explosive, could suddenly go all the way. But even if true, his other weaknesses could outweigh that.

by Donnio1234 on Sep 3, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

cut Torrain

just from a running standpoint, I thought Parker ran with a lot of energy and was able to get extra yards when not much was there. Torrain looked awful. He didn’t seem to know where the 1st down marker was, getting tackled a yard short of the marker when it looked like he could have made it.

by hsoup on Sep 3, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

And what is that water line?

We need to rattle some cages in our graphics department!

Maybe that is gin sitting on top of the thick Kool-Aid base…

by Ken Meringolo on Sep 3, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

bartel was certainly leaps better than beck. but arz hall was in a class by himself. and undrafted…geesh

what receivers do u legitimately think could be available?

by les boulez bomber on Sep 3, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Hall did look good as a QB. Flutiesque.

by hsoup on Sep 3, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

bartel was certainly leaps better than beck

I thought they were both terrible

by Parks Smith on Sep 3, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Numbers

Do we really need 9 linebackers? Or 6 corners? Or 6 receivers? I could see 6 receivers if we were able to pick someone up that had some game but I don’t think a spot for Mike Sellers or Jeremy Jarmon is going to go by the wayside for Roydell Williams or Brandon Banks… 6 corners is far too many unless the coaching staff really likes someone like Westbrook.

by mmford10 on Sep 3, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, and $600,000 is a pretty good living. Not bad for a guy who may never see action in a real game, for all we know. Don’t pity him.

by hsoup on Sep 3, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No more complaining about Theisman!!!!

I had to listen to the Arizona broadcast, and WOW they were awful. Straight up bush league. The UFL would pass on these assholes. Just a bunch of morons. Really really unbearable. Me ears are still bleeding. I am dumber after listening to the diarrhea coming from their mouths. At one point they called this the third pre season game. No correction. these guys make Lloyd Christmas look like Stephen Hawkings. Joking about how undisciplined the skins are without ANY mention that these scrubs were on their way out. What a bunch of boobs.Talking about Anderson how he just TORCHED the D. Whooping about the TD run by the QB and how amazing he is. No mention about how he was out out bounds. F those douches. I want my three hours back

And fine, we were sloppy, but So were the Cards and they had hardly any calls on them. Any one see that blatant false start on them??? Dude, If I can see it… ANYONE can see it. They neeeeeeed to get rid of the 2 pre season games. NOW.

by brettpedigo on Sep 3, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, true. Cards looked really week against our backups. I’d be really depressed if I were a Cards fan. They won, but they really lost.

by hsoup on Sep 3, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

my two cents

Ok, I watched the game again this morning, a bit more sober. And I was happy to learn that my assessment was the same as it was after double digit beers. So here it is:
Robert Henson belongs on this team. Even if he’s injured bad, they need to keep him. Last night he reminded me of early Lava, right down to the Lavar leap. Damn I hope that dude’s ok. We need young talent at LB.

Austin should make the team too, and DEFINITELY over Banks. Woulda liked to see Terrence return some kicks, just to see what he could do.

Beck does nothing for me. I heard him say his spot isn’t secure, and I hope they cut his ASS. There will be half a dozen QB’s on the waiver wire at least as good as him, if lot better.

Heyer impressed me last night, if only because I’ve never been a fan of his, and he seems to finally be playing like a professional player.

I am a fan of Keiland Williams. I would much rather see him stay on as our power back than LJ. I’d be ecstatic if they kept him and Torain.

Last, I wanna start a ‘Keep Jeremy" movement. It would be a HUGE mistake to cut this guy. We have so few talented young guys on this team, we need to keep as many as possible. The coaches need to realize that it takes a while to come back fully from that knee injury. But when he is back, he is a better player than Vonnie Holiday at this point, and probably Daniels too. Cutting him will haunt us for years to come. It will mirror other notable cuts like Kennon McCardell, Frank Wycheck, Ryan Clark and Antonio Pierce. (Ok, we didn’t cut Clark and Pierce, but we did let them go too early)

by CJHutch on Sep 3, 2010 1:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

WHAT THE _ _ _ _?

No over-under on the cuts? BOYS! YOU’RE SLIPPING!

by Tee L on Sep 3, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

It would be a big mistake to cut Jarmon

They should keep Bryant (or Green) to back up Kemo, who is pretty shaky. I think most of us agree with the above comments on Henson, Austin, K. Williams and Beck (and Heyer because there’s nobody else). Allow me one elementary question I’m sure you all know: we have to get down to 45 on the roster plus 8 on the practice squad (= 53)? Or is it 53 plus the PS (= 61)? So the 22 cuts have to be guys who don’t go on the roster or the practice squad? On game day, how many can be active? I used to know this, but got a little confused.

by Donnio1234 on Sep 3, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Practice squad players are not on the roster

so its 53 roster players and 8 practice squad players. 45 of the 53 roster players are active on game day, I believe.

by CarverM on Sep 3, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

That makes the task of cutting down much easier because guys like Banks, Bartel and Cook can be stashed there. In a sense, there only have to be about 14 true departures (75 to 61), although not all can go on the PS, and there’s the risk of losing them.

by Donnio1234 on Sep 3, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Right.

After his flashes in the return game, someone may claim Banks off of waivers before he makes it to our practice squad.

by CarverM on Sep 3, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was speaking

about cutting Daniel and keeping Colt

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Sep 3, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with you on that aspect

But when I saw Patrick Ramsey… released, I immediately thought about Spurrier. Maybe I need to let go at some point…

by bigrm18 on Sep 3, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

that means he's going to play

Madden curse will strike before you know it….

by Parks Smith on Sep 3, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Tryon and Rhino are gone

Alot of people seem to think Will Robinson is def. on the roster. Kemo would have been cut or IR’d weeks ago on team with actual depth.

by BayAreaBullet on Sep 3, 2010 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Keim, Jreid etc seem to feel he's gone

He played well last night but is probably on the outside looking in. For the whole preseason I certainly wouldn’t say he played great by any stretch.

by BayAreaBullet on Sep 3, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah, I think Tryon stays

he may not have been great, but he showed more than Westbrook or Barnes. I could see them combing the waiver wire to find another corner though.

by CJHutch on Sep 3, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's a given by now that Barnes is on the team.

They’ve had Barnes locked into the #4 spot all summer. Westbrook, Ramzee Robinson and Tryon have been battling for that last spot and atleast according to the beat writers Tryon has been behind those 2.

by BayAreaBullet on Sep 4, 2010 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always liked Terrence Austin as one of our option

He may develop into a good receiver because of his speed and great hands. Those aren’t his only attributes he can really run routes. Austin over banks. I would have loved to see him return more punts though.

by TerpsAllTheWay on Sep 3, 2010 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

SBNation DC

Reporting Skins looking at TJ Houzmindode, whosurmama, you know who I’m talking about…championship?

I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble

by CptChaosSidekick on Sep 4, 2010 12:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

maybe he'll sign

for a reasonable price. I don’t wanna give him a ton of money, but being let go after one season with an awful team has to be a cold slap in the face. But he could easily come here and be a #2, 3 at the lowest. As was said before, I’d rather have TJ than Galloway.

by CJHutch on Sep 4, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't have to pay much

1) He doesn’t want to price himself out of a job.
2) He has a clause in his contract that says whatever team signs him, Seattle has to pay the difference.

He maid 8mil gurenteed so I doubt he’ll be greedy. Don’t know if I’d be excited about him but he’s an upgrade.

I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble

by CptChaosSidekick on Sep 4, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

my thoughts exactly

I’ve never been big on guys who make it big by playing off another receiver. TJ’S productivity playing with Chad Johnson wreaks of Randle Fell’s early days with Hines. Both guys got big money after flourishing off someone else. Unfortunately for us, our #2 without is about 5 years past his prime, and would have trouble even MAKING the roster on most (if not all) of the teams in the league, let alone START.

by CJHutch on Sep 4, 2010 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

We could prolly get him cheap....

bc I am sure he would want to “Stick-it” to the Hawks. That’s the problem though……he is one of those guys that blames everyone and everything else for his poor play since leaving Cincy……but I think before the talk of him being available started…..we all believed he was the reason. I am not really for this signing….but if the price is right….it can’t hurt considering WR may very well be our weakest position.

by shvd98z24 on Sep 4, 2010 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Give him a one year contract.....

and make him play for the next one……win win situation maybe!

by shvd98z24 on Sep 4, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

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