Looks Like Someone Has a Sixpack of the Mondays
by Ken Meringolo on Sep 27, 2010 11:21 AM EDT
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1. Holy crap. I have become so hardened to the reality of who this team and organization is that I forgot what it was like to feel my own feelings. Then at the end of the game, my 3-year old started crying because he wanted the Redskins to win. You see, he is only three, so he has not witnessed first-hand the mockery that this team has become over the last decade. The Sixpack is my off-the-cuff, knee-jerk reaction post. While I won't mix words today, my hope remains that this organization can figure things out before my son shuts down emotionally. At least some of us have seen the burgundy and gold hoist the Lombardi Trophy. I pray that my son lives to see that himself.
2. We only dressed SIX offensive linemen yesterday? Is that right? (Honestly, tell me because I thought it was six with Montgomery sitting, but the Redskins changed their inactive list so many times before kickoff I lost track.) To me, that said everything I needed to know about the state of our franchise. Our WEAKEST area over the last handful of years has been our offensive line. I would argue that our offensive line has been worse than our receivers. We spent time, energy and resources over the offseason getting our line in an improved condition. Since Kory Lichtensteiger technically is in the rotation of linemen throughout the game, you would be hard-pressed to truly call him a back-up. I understand that the unavailability of Will Montgomery was an unforeseen situation. They flip-flopped between him and Perry Riley dressing prior to kickoff. They dressed Logan Paulsen and they clearly used him to help out Heyer on multiple occasions. I worry that they thought they could get away with the shortage there for a week since it was only the Rams. That is pure speculation of course, but let's just say that kind of attitude seemed to be on display everywhere yesterday. If they only had six, fine. But getting to the point of getting caught with only six is a joke.
3. This loss was a total team loss. We lost it everywhere on the field. Offense sucked, defense sucked, and special teams chipped in with a few gaffes that cost us mightily. I can't point to anything that happened that indicated we were ready to play the St. Louis Rams. Did they think this was a BYE week? Damn it, Kevin.
4. When Kareem Moore made that first-half INT, I thought it was a game-saving play. I thought it was the line in the sand that we drew (finally) before the game got completely out of reach. It was a great play. Orakpo chasing down Bradford could also have been a lasting image of a win that we fought back to get. Instead, missed tackles, bad footing, horrible penalties, ineffectiveness on 3rd down and in the red zone and Sam Bradford beating our blitz will go down for me as the memorable things from yesterday's game. That, and our best players simply blowing it.
5. Chris Cooley fumbled that ball. Who was working that instant replay booth...his grandmother? I thought the ball was clearly coming loose as he was going down. The INT thrown by Don Burgundy a minute later kind of cemented the issue though. In fact, turning the ball over on that drive seemed to be the only thing our offense appeared dedicated to doing. Way to stick with it.
6. Last week we were a blocked field goal away from being 2-0. Now we know the truth: we are a holding penalty away from being 0-3. Don't be sad today Redskins fans. Be PISSED. I said it last week: that game was a huge test for this team and franchise, and we FAILED MISERABLY. I keep making this about both the team and the organization. We have to, because there are clearly still some things horribly, horribly wrong inside that building if that is how we came out and played against a team everyone (not just Redskins fans, EVERYONE) thought we were much better than.
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I am usually the most optimistic one out there
So let me have it for deciding to be angry today if you think I deserve it. The combination of the way we played, the way we lost, the unexpected nature of all of it, and the ridiculous way that this has been going on for years has me drowning over here.
Only the kool aid drinkers are truly angry today.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I don't disagree with anything said here
yesterday’s game was ridiculous in every facet of the game, and I won’t sit and pretend that I’m cool with it.
The beauty of this site is that I can come here and vent and know others will have different points of view that I may not have thought of in my anger. Not today though…
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Man...
what a kick to the groin…more like 10 kicks to the groin
by Ken Meringolo on Sep 27, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure it was worse for you
with your son and all.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
thats why there is no next generation of skins fans, because we scar these kids for life by losing to the rams, lions, etc… haha
"You're fucking out!"
You're Washington Redskins
Killing the dreams of children everywhere, one Sunday at a time.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Chris Cooley fumbled that ball. Who was working that instant replay booth…his grandmother? I thought the ball was clearly coming loose as he was going down.
Yep. I thought it was a fumble as well. Cooley always fumbles. His career numbers should be a lot higher than they actually are. It is more than 9. Same with Santana Moss (whose fumble against Green Bay a couple of years ago, cost the ’Skins the game) he always fumbles as well.
Every time both those players get the ball, my first thought is “Don’t fumble it.”
The Once and Future King
time to start stockpiling draft picks. seriously. start getting rid of people. anybody who can be traded for a draft pick, do it. i’m sick of seeing every other team, even the shitty ones, always have a rookie who does something. i’m sick of every other team being forced to give chances to young players and sometimes hit it big. The skins only ever get production out of obvious first round picks, and have never had enough total picks to actually have any likelihood of hitting on later picks. If we have less than 10 picks in the next draft be it 2011 or 2012 (depending on the CBA), i’m full-on switching to the Ravens. I’m getting sick of an organization not doing anything right.
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Sep 27, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If you're that apt to switch to the Ravens
Keep it movin’ bro, we don’t need fairweather fans, go root for Ray Ray
by DoWork on Sep 27, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
man, i’ve been a Redskins fan through thick and thin. i couldn’t possibly be a fairweather fan considering i was 4 years old and not aware of my surroundings when the Redskins were last actually a remotely competently run organization. it’s not like i’d ever consider picking up a team outside of my hometown area, and i live in Baltimore now so it’s not sacrilege. plus, it’s mostly just bluster, i can’t get over my connection to the ’Skins, just maybe time to back away from the relationship a little to keep my sanity.
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Sep 27, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Grow a sack dude...
Do you want a tissue? Everyone here has the same story of “I’ve been a skins fan for XX number of years”
i live in Baltimore now so it’s not sacrilege
Yea it is, you’re 30 miles away from the Skins stadium, any true NFL or sports fan for that matter doesn’t consider switching away from their favorite team.
Here you’re on the wrong blog: www.baltimorebeatdown.com
Have fun on your bandwagon and rooting for a team named after a manic depressive, opium smoking poet.
by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
PROBABLY WISE
Baltimore is a well-run organization. Has been since they Ravens came to town. Ozzie Newsome is a WIZARD (and not the basketball kind) at picking players….I feel your pain down here at the beach surrounded by Ravens fans.
I suppose Cheating on your wife is cool too, as long as you're in a different area code right?
and i live in Baltimore now so it’s not sacrilege
by DoWork on Sep 27, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
don’t get married
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Sep 27, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s all good. i understand how my comments today could be received poorly, and a lot of it is just frustrated overreacting
but i’m confident in the validity of how i handle my fandom, knowing that i could never be confused for some of the goons i see around SBnation with listings like:
MLB – Yankees
NFL – Steelers
NBA – Lakers
CBB – Kentucky
CFB – Florida
or other similar such ridiculousness
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Sep 27, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i have ever since i joined SBnation. like i said they’ve been my #2 since they moved here and i’ve always rooted for them unless they play the Redskins.
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Sep 27, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If at first you don't succeed, quit.
by SSBlitz on Sep 27, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
at first? it’s been 11 years of this same shit. smell the damn coffee.
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Sep 27, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s football, it’s a game, not a bloodbath of clashing political ideologies.
anyways, thats not even the proper analogy. Me defecting to the Ravens would be like defecting to Canada, not Germany. Defecting to another NFC East team would be like Germany.
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Sep 27, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
How about 18 years
I’m new to this board.
I am a pretty loyal guy, but there’s also a difference between loyalty and being a fool. I’m 42, and I’ve been a nut for this team since 1977. But my patience is done. The bottom line is this team is now going on two decades of brutal mediocrity. Do most of you realize that the Skins have like the 3rd or 4th longest active streak of teams that have not been to a conference championship game? Who the hell are the Redskins to view the Rams as a loser franchise. We are right there with them
The problem is, as good fans we want to be loyal, but this is a two way street. I am not going to be crapped on by a franchise that is not putting a team on the field that this fan community deserves in basically 20 years. I get that teams have down years and need to rebuild. But I think a good fan actually CANNOT give an unlimited free pass to the team.
How the hell else do you hold the ownership accountable but to be a little less supportive of this team? They have to get this message that this crap has to stop. One Division title in 19 years. ONE! So I have bagged my Sunday ticket, and I am spending zip on any merchandise until there is evidence that Snyder’s boys are getting their stuff together. And that means a Division title is when i start bleeding burgundy and gold again. If you want to call me a bandwagon jumper for not being crapped on for yet another season, then i guess we just have to agree to disagree.
It probably means nothing but i wrote the team last year and told them that. Am I still pulling for them, yes. But this team has no longer earned the right to have me urgently want to catch every minute of every game. They are not worth it. And that is a sad sad thing to have to say.
Oh yeah, and Haynesworth may be the biggest douche on the planet and that is another black eye on this franchise. If they new what the hell they were doing they would have figured out that this guy was a freaking plague and a scumbag. The whole Haynesworth situation is actually a perfect representation of how this franchise does not know what the hell it is doing.
by Devilssection21fan on Sep 27, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do our WRs and RBs always fall down?
Seriously, I never see that happen when I watch any other team in the league play. Every catch, every run or so it seems. And then, when they break one (CP and Torrain) they just run like chickens with their heads cut off….juking and really not knowing what the fuck to do.
I’m just sick and tired of being sick and tired…
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I really do think that Clinton Portis got yanked
For that obvious dive he executed at the end of his 27 yard run. Someone else said it here first, but it really does look that Clinton is afraid of getting hurt.
WTF! I honestly think that ARE is a better punt returner than Buchanan.
What the hell happened to Bidwell? That could be an omen of a really crappy season to come.
Has any running back averaged less than 5 yards a carry against us? The only reason were not last in run defense is because it’s so damn easy to pad your passing stats against us… How’s that 34 defense looking? Did we really only get one sack against a rookie quarterback playing for the Rams? THE RAMS?
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3-4 defense looks like crap. looks like poorly researched copycat move based on nothing but copying other peoples’ ideas with no actual support or statistics or anything suggesting that the 3-4 is inherently a better defense than the 4-3, even with proper personnel. i’m calling out for an answer and have been for some time….can anybody anywhere provide a salient point as to why any team should switch to a 3-4 other than copying the Steelers?
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Sep 27, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Here are some stats, Ravens boy...
Advantage of 3-4 In: Per Play Per Game
EPA Overall -0.018 -1.20
EPA vs. Pass -0.010 -0.35
EPA vs. Run -0.031 -0.84
WPA Overall -0.00064 -0.042
WPA vs. Pass -0.00046 -0.017
WPA vs. Run -0.00093 -0.025
Gain Overall -0.14 -11.0
Gain vs. Pass -0.11 -4.1
Gain vs. Run -0.25 -6.9
But your whole point is stupid, like half the NFL uses a 3-4, so anyone could just reverse the same exact argument on you. What makes the 4-3 better? Do you have statistical analysis?
The only stat that matters is our defense sucked yesterday and I don’t think it would of mattered if we went with a 3-4, 4-3, 2-5, 1-6, box and one, or a 1-1-1-1-1-1-1 matchup zone
by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
What really matters for the 34 or the 43 defense is this
How the hell good is the coordinator at calling the plays?
This was my biggest question about haslet two months ago. I haven’t given up yet, but I am far from optimistic that the man is a good defensive coordinator.
The Cowboys self-destructed, the Texans ripped us a new one, but the Rams may have had a slight advantage by remembering a little bit of his defense. Still though, it was THE RAMS!
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by Skins Fan '77 on Sep 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
ha “Raven’s boy”. lighten up, thanks for the stats, even though they’re a bitch to decipher. i never said the 4-3 was definitely better, i was asking for an answer that i couldn’t find.
anything i say is a product of being sick and tired of being sick and tired. Ravens have been my #2 since they moved here, its just empty threats.
lastly though, a Redskins’ fan shouldn’t really be making fun of any other teams name.
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Sep 27, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
+100
Actually, I have 1.5 favorite teams. ’skins and whoever the Crapchicks are playing.
Only reason I have to watch other games is for fantasy reasons or to see how next week’s opponent looks.
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
plenty of people. i’ll root for all teams from Maryland/DC, except for Georgetown. and i’ll always root for something that makes Sunday Funday partying in my current city any more fun, unless of course I moved to Dallas, NY, or Philly, which would probably never happen
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Sep 27, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
20 yard TD run
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Sep 27, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
and on his one chance so far, he tackled himself. so yeah, argue with me about CP being shot as a lead back. go ahead.
i can’t believe you’re giving me so much crap about this. I have nothing against you, just take a step back and realize there’s no reason to get so into it simply because i like the Ravens 2nd to the Skins and voiced my displeasure with the Skins current state. chiiiiiiillll.
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Sep 27, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to admit
that I do admire the way the Ravens are building their team – we should learn from them.
I see nothing wrong with having a #2 team but that’s because I do too. When I was young the thing I had in common with my Grandfather was the KC Chiefs so they are my #2 team and I cheer for them whenever they’re not playing the Redskins. My dream Superbowl is Redskins vs Chiefs with a Redskins victory. Sadly, right now the Chiefs are rebuilding better than we are and that’s because they didn’t try to fool themselves into thinking they only needed to get a couple people to be a good team. Instead they admitted to themselves that they were rebuilding and they started rebuilding from the foundation – the lines.
Ravens might have the best front office in football.
In 10 years they won the super bowl, got rid of most of the players, and have now rebuilt into a contender AGAIN
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
The 3-4 can certainly be fine
But we switched to it when we didn’t have the right players – no NT, Haynesworth, Carter, Fletcher, Jarmon and one or two others not suited to it, only one true DE, MLBs too small, OLBs not good at pass coverage. I.e., short of both linmen and linebackers. Maybe Mike and Jim are building for the future, but it is a disaster this season.
kevin posted
in the slop that shanahan said Bidwell heard a pop in his hip and we’re trying out Hunter the Punter tomorrow.
why the f*** Buchanon is still returning kicks is another one of the great questions.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
So basically
It took us three games to realize Hunter the punter should never have been replaced by Allen’s favorite old punter Bidwell. Wasn’t it Bidwell’s hip that was the problem last year?
Let’s just hope that Brown doesn’t hear a pop at some point this season.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Sep 27, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
why'd you have to say that?
Let’s just hope that Brown doesn’t hear a pop at some point this season.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Sorry
I’m just in a foul mood, it’s been this way for the last 13 or so seasons.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Sep 27, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Bidwell was on IR all last year for this injury. I didn’t like the signing, but supposedly Hunter wanted a significant pay increase so the Skins said no thanks.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Scott said it best...
Just plain sick and tired of being sick and tired. Are we cursed to always have to endure the same bullshit over and over. Rise and shine campers, it’s groundhog day
not worried about our starting QB, and our OC isn’t the problem, but i’m wondering what would happen if he was the problem
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Sep 27, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm leaning more towards the possibility
That the offensive coordinator is our problem. Some of the remarks he made in the last two months have had me scratching my head. He seems to be about as pass-happy as Jason Garrett, and that ain’t good.
If he is as stubborn and egotistical as his father, then yeah, what the hell are we going to do? The whole damn coaching staff might have to leave. I love nepotism!
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by Skins Fan '77 on Sep 27, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i’ll give him a pass on the pass-happiness right now since he has absolute shit a RB and not enough at o-line to turn any old RB into something good. although its not like he wasn’t pass-happy in Houston either. personnel is such an issue it’s not even funny.
Also, it doesn’t matter if ShannyJr. is as stubborn as his old man, just that if, with better personnel it becomes clear he’s not good, would Mike have the wherewithal to boot him
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Sep 27, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm tired of hearing about how the Skins lose to teams the "should" beat
Guess what… If your attitude is “we should beat these guys” there’s a good chance you’re going to come out limp. This team’s sense of entitlement, with the Lombardis, the waiting list, the famous names… it all needs to be stripped away before they can execute against anybody. The fact that the Rams have been bad for a while shouldn’t even enter the players’ and coaches’ minds during preparation. Apparently it did.
Bored and broke.
Agree with that
And I put the blame squarely on the head coach, it is his job to keep the team focused.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Sep 27, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Exaaaactly
The funny thing is that I don’t know how much the players actually fall victim to that kind of thinking. Eeach guy has to know at least one or two players on the other team. They all know how hard everyone has to work to even stay on the active roster for a full 16 games.
The Jackson TD wasn’t that annoying to me – he’s SJacks and we’ve been run-vulnurable all year. What was so damn frustrating is that Santana continues to run recklessly with the football. I don’t think he needs to start falling to the ground like CP, but he always seems out of control when running.
Another thing – DHall needs to sit the fuck down with that “defensive captain” bullshit. He left his man in the end zone on the second TD and got totally worked by Mark Fucking Clayton.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Sep 27, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
There are a bunch of other teams shitting the bed out there too.
Giants, San Fran, San Diego, and Houston all had poor performances this week too. New England was close to losing to Buffalo too.
Shit like this happens, it’s not fun, but it’s how we adjust and come back next week that matters now.
that's
what was supposed to happen this week because of last week.
Shit like this happens, it’s not fun, but it’s how we adjust and come back next week that matters now.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
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by Skins Fan '77 on Sep 27, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Dallas beat Houston
on some bullshit. Duane Brown gets suspended in the week leading up to the Dallas game? The NFL decided that Dallas going 0-3 would be bad for ratings, because they know that allmost of them are bandwagoners who will stop caring about football if Dallas is doing poorly.
lots of holes on this squad
There’s plenty of blame to go around after this one, though. Coaches, players, front office, everybody. This team has a lot of holes, particularly on the O and D lines. The reality of it is that two of our starting D linemen in the 3-4 were out of football last year. Anytime 2/3 of your starting D line haven’t played football in a year you’re going to be in trouble. One of them, Carriker, was swapped for 5th round picks by an awful team, what does that tell you? And the worst part is, he’s probably playing the best of the 3 starters right now.
I like T. Williams and Brown as our tackles, that is not an issue to me. Rabach is old and below average and the dockery/ lichtensteiger rotation needs to stop, stick with one of them, either way they’re also weak. Hicks seems to be doing okay, i can live with him.
Andre Carter starting at OLB is a huge problem. First off, he looks like a T Rex when he is dinosauring around out there. The guy just doesn’t really have a place in our system except maybe rotating in as an end when we go to a 4-3. If we can get anything for him in a trade I do it right away, 4th or 5th rounder im doing it. I like Lorenzo better there anyways. This position really needs to be addressed in the off season. Rak, McIntosh, Fletcher are very solid but we need another intimidator opposite Rak. We need a tough, shit talking, fiery guy who loves stirring shit up. This D seems to be missing that element.
It is painfully obvious how badly we need a RB and WR. Portis seems to be done, and we don’t really have any prospects behind him. This absolutely needs to be addressed in the draft. At WR moss can still get it done but he has literally no help. Cooley is still a beast but this 2 tight end formation being effective seems to be a pipe dream. I would consider trading one of them for say a 3rd rounder because right now having 2 TEs like that is a luxury we simply can’t afford, too many other needs.
Haynesworth either needs to start at NT at this point or we need to trade him. Let’s say we trade him for a second rounder, we would have 3 picks in the top 60 and could address 3 different needs. I would go best player available at a position of need:
Rd 1- RB/WR/NT (no order)
Rd 2 A- RB/WR/NT/ G/C
Rd 2 B- RB/WR/NT/G/C/LB
My preference would be
Rd 1- NT
Rd 2 A- C
Rd 2 B- RB
And I would hope we sign Vjax as our other receiver so we could focus on these other needs. Also sign a starting LB (Lamar Woodley?), and another D and O linemen.
This team will be lucky to get to 8-8 this year. If I’m Bruce Allen I am doing everything possible to extend McNabb now.
NT has to be top priority no doubt.
That really is why we suck so bad at D this year. Get a OL in round 2.
I agree
IMHO football is won or lost on the lines & us NOT having a legitimate NT & switching to a 3-4 is a huge mistake
Offensive coordinators
Off the wall thought, pure speculation (except for one video seemingly showing Mike taking a big hand in the offense), not previously mentioned on HH: Mike is coach, Kyle the offensive coordinator. I think the play calling has been questionable. Could it be because Mike tends to interfere with Kyle, just like Joe Gibbs used to jiggle the elbow of Al Saunders? Both Joe and Mike are offensive geniuses, but they shouldn’t meddle in the offense. My point is that running an offense, and playcalling, is an art, and has to be a one man show. A committee cannot run an offense. Mike is bound to have favorites and ideas, and Kyle simply cannot resist them – very frustrating for him. And being the son makes it particularly hard. So, if there is anything like that dynamic going on, Mike should just pull out, and let Kyle have free rein with the offense. Or, Mike take it over, just letting Kyle help him. But it can’t be a committee – it has to be one smart guy running the offense, one concept, one schemer.
I'd still sign VJAX, even if we can't use him till week 7.
Dan has the money, why not use it?
sign or trade?
he’s not a FA
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
AJ Smith is a moron
He’s going to end up getting ZERO picks for Jackson when he could have at least had a 2nd round pick
it is his ego
He wants to fry this guy. Hmmm. How did the Chargers do on sunday?
actually, he's not
I’m pretty sure they get a 3rd round comp pick if he leaves via FA. I think they decided to be the first team in this situation to draw a line in the sand and not let the player dictate Tue situation.
by CJHutch on Sep 27, 2010 7:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
More like a 24 pack of the Mondays, amirite?
Fuck everything.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Sep 27, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
OL and WRs
A few years ago we had a good OL but for years we never groomed any new blood and so now here we are with only 2 good starters and no depth. At least Allen was wise enough to get us 2 starters in the off season!
VC drafted us plenty of WRs but none of them have panned out so far. personally I’m for starting them until they learn on the job of fail miserably – at least we’d KNOW whether or not they’re going to make the transition to the NFL. With them sitting on the bench it’s hard to tell.
Well it's kind of hard for Kelly to learn on the job
Because his legs are made out of glass apparently
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by Skins Fan '77 on Sep 27, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't we look stupid
McNabb for a second and a third, but Vick would have been free!
What’s that stuff in my wound? Oh, it’s salt!!
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
he's been good, but not as good as his numbers
Football Outsiders has been summarizing every possession and he’s made some great plays, and yet still made some awful old-Vick ones.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Agree
Even with all the good press Michael Vick is getting (and the hype) he is still only completing 50% of his passes, that isn’t very good.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Sep 27, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
True
But we could have kept our 2nd rounder and used that on a defensive position in the draft.
by Nobetterthenbob on Sep 27, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I love your love of the FO
keep bringing those nuggets. I think Vick can is going to make at least one very costly mistake this week.
by Ken Meringolo on Sep 27, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea seriously!
He’s played against the LIONS and JAGUARS! Ken’s mom could look good against those squads.
And if you watch ESPN all you see is him escaping the defense they always fail to mention he leads the NFL in sacks right now…
Point taken, but he's playing the skins this week and I'd say we're about on par with the lions and jaguars.
As much as it pains me to say that.
Milton Bradley apologist
by sanford_and_son on Sep 27, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Vick's played two not very good teams
Packers were on cruise control and had oviously not planned for him. Is he getting confidence and momentum? Yes, but let’s see them play a stretch of good competition.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 27, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Also don't forget the importance of game tape
Nobody knew what was coming with Vick in this Eagles offense. Now that defenses have some film of him to dissect I think his numbers will come back to earth pretty quick.
Bored and broke.
Nope. I don't want Vick on my team
I didn’t want Larry Johnson on this team either. I don’t care if he signs with the Rams and runs for 800 yards this season. If I wanted to root for thugs and felons, I’d be a Ravens fan.
who besides Ray Lewis?
Our coach brings in Michael fucking Pittman to mentor the players in the offseason.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Ray Lewis is plenty for me
A man is dead and he admitted to obstructing justice in connection with the investigation. If that man had been Sean Taylor, we’d be outraged that they hadn’t fried the perp and locked his accomplices (including Lewis) up for years. Well, guess what? That man was “Sean Taylor” to someone. And I’ve never heard one word of regret from Lewis over the years for the man’s death.
ok. just noting your misuse of plural
and our team is not without our thugs.
Michael Pittman and Larry Johnson beat up someone’s sister or daughter or mom
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
All of the bitterness aside
Draft lineman and a nose tackle in the first two rounds next year and we will be back on our way. We are re building. We will be good in 4 years or so…
YES
Finally, a voice of reason. All this talk about a WR is just plain goofy. Line play has been this teams achilles heel for a long time. We have a failing offensive line, and a soft defensive line. If you want to be a CONSISTENTLY GOOD team, you need good line play. Wide receiver is a luxury to us right now. We need to build a TEAM first.
by CJHutch on Sep 27, 2010 7:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes and we've made a good start
Trent Williams will be good for years.
Easy to revert back...
To my “hope we don’t get too embarrassed” way of watching these games. I was so pissed after the loss last night that I couldn’t even watch highlight shows or the late game. did housework and caught Waterboy for the 1,253rd time.
This morning I realized that it was my fault, not Shanny’s or CP’s, or even “watch as I get rolled on my back” Haynesworth’s fault that I was pissed since it was I, not them that allowed me to think this year would be any different.
So here’s to watching what we’ve got while I contemplate the eventual drafting of Ryan Mallett to take over for a Minnesota bound #5. At least we still have Bobby Boucher, errr I mean Laron Landry, right?
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
John Riggins had an interesting comment last night
He said that a team can go one of three directions from each game played:
a team can go forward from where they were
A team can stay where they were
A team can go backwards from where they were
John Riggins take was this; we stayed where we were versus Dallas, we went a little backwards versus Houston, and we went a lot backwards versus the Rams.
Now we have to go forward 2+ games just to get back to where we were… Not good
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Like most things Riggins says, that makes no sense
I will gently point out that if we in fact beat the Iggles on Sunday we will in fact be in first place in the NFC East. I’m not betting the mortgage on it, but it does point out that what Riggins said is not, in fact, true.
I loved The Diesel as a running back, but he’s almost as good a prognosticator and sports personality as he was an actor. It really makes his show hard to listen to.
We've gone straight downhill since Dallas
You don’t need to be a football genius to see that. Riggins “three directions” are sort of funny – a truism. Meaningless. Now, if you want wisdom, here’s my motto: “As the years go by, time will pass”.
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