Redskins Show their Offense, Defense, & STs are Balanced - In That They're All Terrible
I'm catching a lot of flak for my earlier prediction that the Rams were essentially a BYE week. Fair enough. Geez, even my 7-9 prediction isn't looking good at this point.Who would have ever thought ball-busters like Shanahan and Haslett would have their team as under-prepared as this? In our show, I highlighted that's it's not a BYE week for the players and coaches, but for the fans. There's a reason the Rams are consistently in last place with a horrible defense. Any game plan and coaching staff should be able to prepare their team for a win - especially when the Rams top play makers on both sides of the ball go down early with injuries (Steven Jackson and OJ Atogwe).
Well, it's clear the Redskins coaches never showed up. It was equally discouraging to hear the players say as much. Haynesworth post game:
"We didn't focus. We kind of expected, this is the Rams, we'll come in and beat them."
AHH, Christ. Really, guys? It seriously looked like the Redskins never even put a game plan together. Steven Jackson running wild, Andre Carter in coverage, the blocked punt, DeAngelo Hall consistently looking lost, the fumbles, the missed tackles. The Redskins went into halftime knowing Jackson was out and Bradford's game of throwing short passes, yet no adjustments were made. The Redskins were the 32nd ranked D against two great offenses weeks 1-2, and they're the 32nd ranked defense (still) against one of the worst offenses in the NFL. The Rams lost their starting RB and WR, yet they still moved the ball with ease. The Rams were 7-16 on 3rd down conversions while the Redskins were 1-10 (0-3 red zone). Same story - different week.
The Special teams unit continues to be an utter disaster. Both Reed Doughty and Keiland Williams missed blocks for the streaking Rams defender that got to Gano. I thought blocked punts only happened to terrible teams like the Lions? Ah crap, we're now that terrible team. I was at the Redskins Luncheon when Mike Shanahan said he did not inherit a 4-12 team because" there's too much character on this team." It's true this team has character, but focus is another thing.
The 3-4 experiment needs to end. As much as we've all hated Greg Blache's defense, it was a top-5 defense that always kept the Redskins in games late. When the Rams have the ball for almost 10 more minutes of the game, something needs to change. The Nose Tackle position is laughable. Have you noticed the line of scrimmage gets pushed back 2-3 yards every play in the middle? Guards were pulling in to the secondary untouched. London Fletcher is essentially being taken out of the game due to the front 3 woes. On top of that, Kareem Moore had missed tackles on those 2 rushing touchdowns. Did you know the Rams had not had a rushing touchdown in 7 straight games? Yeah, and they got TWO against the Redskins.
Moving to the offense side, there's plenty of blame to go around. Why is Devin Thomas still on the bench? Roydell Williams? Really? It's painful to watch him out there. The only successful things the Redskins can run are misdirection plays. I was amazed to see the Rams fall so hard for it on the Moss TD, after the Redskins ran a gillion of them vs the Texans, but it's safe to say the Eagles will not.
Like all Redskins fans, I was furious to see Portis fall down untouched on that long run. I suspect that's why he was benched, but Shanahan said post-game it was in the plan all along to have Torain run the ball more second half and have Portis block 3rd downs. Bold faced lie. On that key 3rd and long play, Torain was the blocker and completely whiffed on a streaking rusher...play was then busted up. It's maddening to see Shanahan's ego overtake simple logic. How bad is the Redskins running game, Rich Campbell spelled it out:
Redskins were 1-for-10 on third-down attempts. Their AVERAGE distance to-go on third down was 8.7 yards. That's not manageable. Half of their third downs required 10 yards or more. Only two were shorter than 7 yards.
The second half the Redskins had 5 rushes for 1 yard. That is their lowest rushing total for a half in their history. If the Redskins can't get it going against the lowly Rams, they have no chance against the Eagles and Packers' defense.
Haslett, Shanahan, and Danny Smith lost this game. I'm used to dealing with a struggling offense, especially one that was over-hauled like this. However, the defense is another story since it's always been solid. It's practically the exact same roster as last year, yet they can't cover or tackle anyone all of a sudden. If the Redskins can't tackle no namers on the Rams roster, how are they possibly going to deal with bringing down Michael Vick, DeSean Jackson, and LeSean McCoy? We used to be able to say we play to the level of our competition, but they couldn't even do that with the Rams. Cooley said it best post-game, "They kicked our asses."
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TRUER WORDS WERE NEVER WRITTEN
You nailed just about every point. 1-15 looks like a very real possibility. 4-12 now sounds like wishful thinking.
No way....
We only play the Colts, Packers, Eagles, Titans, Vikings, Bears and (gulp) the Lions. How did the CFL Stallions get left off?
PS
Back to the gravity-defying ice cubes in the artwork again, I see…..guess the art department is like the rest of us….still in a state of shock after seeing THE RAMS whip up on the ’Skins!
Wait, scratch that. That doesn’t make any sense, because then the Kool Aid wouldn’t be at the bottom.
OR MAYBE...
…just maybe Jim Hasslet drew it…the same way he drew up yesterday’s defensive game plan…..that didn’t make much sense, either, did it?
I'm not going to panic.
We’re not going to go 4-12 again, or 1-15 or any of that nonsense.
What I saw yesterday was a team that’s completely different without its left tackle. Our offense looked out of sync all day, mainly due to the disaster that was happening on the left side of our line. CHRIS LONG looked like an All-Pro yesterday. The same Chris Long that has basically done nothing since being drafted 2nd overall. We couldn’t sustain drives, which compounded our defense’s woes. We’re a different team with Trent Williams. He is the most important player on our offense.
You can't pin all those offensive woes on TW
Some, not all.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I thought Heyer did ok all things considered
The false start and holding call sucked, but there were lots of plays where McNabb had tons of time. One of those sacks was his guy, but he pushed him outside far and let him go…and he still had enough time to run all the way back in.
The running game and abysmal WRs I just don’t get. No way RW is better than DT…I hate coaches w/ egos…the fact Devin doesn’t know why he’s benched is the maddening part.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree
I’m no Devin Thomas apologist, but there’s no way anyone can justifiably say that the other WRs on this team (besides Moss of course) are unquestionably better than DT. In fact, based on the way he ran with the ball on kickoffs, I’d say he’s better than the rest of them. I seriously have to second guess Shanahan on this one.
If there is one thing you can count on for Heyer
It’s the penalties late in the game. He may have been solid early on but he was a large part of our demise last year in blowing late leads. When a holding call pushes you back yards in the 4th it alters the whole scope of the play calling and decision making of Zorn/Shanny, Jason/ McNabb
You can't pin all those offensive woes on TW BEING OUT
Better?
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Okay, Cleoparta
You just stay in DENIAL……
(Maybe you can get the Supreme Commander at the People’s Republic of Shanahanatan to play Trent Williams at nose tackle, end, D-back and WR in addition to LT.)
I'll stay in denial
and you can remain a product of our sensationalist society and overreact after the 3rd week of the season.
by CarverM on Sep 27, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
At least everyone else in the divsion is 2-1
Except for Philly who is about to be 2-2, YEA I SAID IT!
by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
You mean 1-2
Exactly. We beat Philly this week and we’re (at least) tied for 1st in our division. The NFC East looks to be wide open this season.
Tied except...
that we’d have 2 division wins and technically we’d be in first..(i know that doesnt really mean anything but were talking about what if’s anyways. What IF our coach didnt have ego problems…)
by RememberSean21 on Sep 27, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yesterday showed that our interior OL and OL depth is very poor
10 years of neglect for the OL can’t be fixed in 1 off season – we’ve had a good start but it’s going to take another couple of years to finish rebuilding the OL.
Same with the 3-4 defense experiment. Maybe it will be a good thing eventually but right now we don’t have the personnel for it and it doesn’t play to the strengths of our best defensive players.
I’m with on starting DT every game and having him play nearly every down. let’s see if he can do something and if not send him packing. This is year 3 DT so time to step up.
I agree with all of those statements.
Our 1st and 2nd round picks this upcoming draft need to be an elite center and nose tackle. We can’t afford anything else.
The only way I'd change is
if there really is a Peyton manning quality QB available and in that case you’ve got to go for the QB pick.
I’m ok with drafting WR and RB with later picks – I realize we’re also thin at those positions, I just don’t think they are as crucuial.
I'm ok with the 3-4 if it's going to be our future defense.
Whether anyone wants to admit it or not we’re in a rebuilding stage. We’re not going to be able to win now. Playing the 3-4 helps show who can adjust and who can’t it will make our holes on defense very clear.
by skinsnyankees on Sep 27, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
then add NT
along with C and OGs as another position to draft before worrying about WRs and RBs.
rebuilding means infusing youth
it’s the part of the equation that Shanahan is only kind of committed to.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
looks like last year
All I can say is ouch!
by redskins-texas-fan on Sep 27, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions
BUT BEWARE OF CROCS...
You know…like the croc of s**t theory that Trent WIlliams being out was the only reason the ‘Skins got whupped.
Kevin’s onto something. In the Peoples Republic of Shanahanastan putting square pegs into round holes appears to be the national sport.
I didn't say it was the only reason
we were “whooped” in all 3 phases of the game. We could have overcome some of our other shortcomings if our OL had been anchored like in the last 2 games. We threw for 400+ yards last week. We looked like crap against the RAMS secondary. What was the difference?
You can take the round peg that you’re so good at putting in the round hole and sit on it.
I have and will ALWAYS continue to use "we"
When referring to this team. I use “they” when referring to the opposition, but not when I’m talking about MY team.
NOT REALLY
truth is I appreciate and respect your obvious loyalty…..we just see the situation differently, I guess. After yesterday, I think the ‘Skins are a good two-to-three years away from being a legit contender……and I’m old….I may not live that long!
After games like yesterday
I often second-guess myself when I use the word “we.” They’ll always be my team, but they make it difficult sometimes.
Haha
Peoples Republic of Shanahanastan
Taking Portis out of the game was retarded. Torrain was ok, but his play was not good enough to leave a workhorse (or maybe he’s a workpony after that slide, either way he still does work) like Portis on the bench.
Also, I heard the Junkies this morning talking about how Mark Clayton and Danny Amendola were probably the worst 1-2 receiver combo in the league… I think if you look at top 3, we have far and away the weakest unit. I am still in denial that Joey fucking galloway is on our team.
You gotta do something about Portis
Everyone else is killing themselves, you can’t ask them to line up next to a guy who just falls down when he’s tired.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Did someone ask CP about that after the game?
Its not worth benching him for, IMO. Maybe one series, but to bring CP in completely cold on 3rd and goal was stupid. He’s a weapon and Shanny needs to stop trying to make a point and put the players on the field that will win games.
Falling down w/o getting hit is not how you win games
Again, every one is (almost literally) killing themselves out there. They have to be able to rely on & trust each other.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
You mean falling down on turf while trying to make a cut
Is grounds for a benching? That’s what it looked like for me.
by BillWard on Sep 27, 2010 4:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn't see anything that looked like a cut
I just saw him give up and lie down before the contact came.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
The replay showed it
he was trying to make a cut. I don’t think he was benched anyways, we had what, like 10 plays in the 2nd half? And Portis DID come back in so what is the bogus benching theory about?
the replay showed that he fell
he didn’t say he fell trying to make a cut. Shanahan didn’t say he fell trying to make a cut. They’ve been trying to feed us the BS about him being afraid to lose the ball because his hand was hurt, despite the fact that Portis said he was fine after the game.
I don’t even know where this slip stuff even started.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
cuz it looks like he's purposely falling
I don’t believe it because he’s throwing his body out there on blocks
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
giving a hit and taking one are very different things
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
maybe
shanahan should read my posts a week before every game… Ethan Albright, Hunter Smith – there’s a reason TAMPA BAY was garbage after they won the superbowl – and that’s what you get for picking up their special teamers and former players -
I do not agree with Galloway starting over DThomas, or benching Portis while he’s averaging 6 yds a carry. I don’t agree with the play calling either
There was a bad snap on that one FG
wobbly and low and inside. Bidwell covered his ass.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He's even solid on the punting
what were his numbers besides that block?
Ok, his avg. was only 35, but it SEEMED like he was better
and if you can’t actually do a job well, what better than to put on a facade?
3-4 Defense
Our defense never really had a shot to be good this year. We don’t have the proper players for a 3-4 defense, but that didn’t stop them from replacing the 4-3. We have no nose tackle, no real pass rushers except for Orakpo, no real skill at linebacker except for Fletcher, and a so-so secondary that has up and down games. That is the reality for this defense and it is only going to get worse as the season goes on. Get ready for a lot more games like this. McNabb will keep us in games but the defense is going to get mauled all season.
Coaching is poor and there are too many big egos and premadonna's again.....
One thing that keeps repeating itself every year is we are a team of individuals. Al Buttersworth and his drama, D Hall and his mouth and all the others….
It’s not their fault though, they have an owner who assembles the biggest mouthy bunch of egos the league has to offer. Every year they all talk a big game and take their checks to the bank, but come Sunday they show their true colors…. a rosy-colored pink.
We have another team of HUGE egos and HUGE paychecks but they are all a bunch of cry babies. D Hall and Rogers are the pits. They can’t cover. They can’t tackle. Why the hell are they still on the field?
Stephon Heyer is probably the worst offensive lineman I have ever watched. If he is not false starting, holding or both he is missing blocks or on his back. Surely we have to have another backup tackle who could do better. Anyone would be better.
Was it Rogers or D Hall who let that 15 yard touchdown pass wiz over his head while he left his man wide open in the back of the endzone? And his jump to try and block the lob pass was even more humiliating. Did he not see that the QB was about to be hit? My high school football team had better cornerbacks then the Redskins.
Calling the Skins “The Three Stooges” would be too much of a compliment. At least the Three Stooges has some humility!!!!!
THIS IS DISGRACEFUL, AGAIN! THANK YOU SNYDER!
3-4 is not an experiment
And almost every team that has switched to a 3-4 has had growing pains. It happens. I said all offseason that our personnel wouldn’t start to match our scheme until after this year. But everyone expects instant transition. Lack of patience is exactly what has derailed the management of our team for over a decade now. You can’t make a winner overnight.
As far as the “sky is falling” routine… Whatever. We played well for 2 weeks and laid an egg yesterday. It’s a long season; don’t write it off now. We might end up with the number 1 pick this year; we might end up winning the NFC East. Who knows?
They make us believe in a winner every year
They sell us the Skins are a championship caliber team. It is Dan’s evil Propaganda vomited into our brains. Every F’n year. We just got beat by a coach who turned us down and he did it with inferior talent.
buying the hype is the fans' fault
they/we choose to do it.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
get the players FIRST and then make the transition
I’m not opposed to the 3-4, I’m opposed to trying to do it with players not well suited to it. The insistence on making the switch now was a poor decision.
The 3-4 is having the exact challenges that some have predicted.
The personnel to match the 3-4 is wishy washy. The NT, which by the way I say the Redskins draft in the first round next year if the value is there, is getting slaughtered and taken out of the plays. Sadly, Andre Carter, is trying his best to do what is asked of him but it just isn’t working out, he needs to go. Lorenzo Alexander looks better in coverage IMO and for whatever reason, he’s not in there enough. There will have to be some adjustment for the defense and I expect that will happen.
The most disturbing thing I saw yesterday was our secondary, I’m not sure what’s going on but they looked terrible. It could be just a by product of the front 3 getting pushed back consistently and so the secondary ends up adjusting the most and therefore looking like they did yesterday. Someone should check the stats for how many times we allowed the Rams to convert a 3rd down, especially 3rd and long. It seemed as though we just couldn’t get off the field. I think the cat is out of the bag on how well the front seven fits the 3-4.
Offensively, I think it was easy to see what a difference good O lineman make. Trent Williams not being in there makes a significant difference but wasn’t the only thing wrong yesterday. IMO the C and G positions are very average. Rabach may need to be replaced to see any sustainable, significant jump up in the running game. I still think the offense is making some progress and it showed at times in the running game but only in the first half. That 14 point deficit to start the game was really what lead to the loss. Even though we were leading at one point, the defense was already on the field far to long.
If you want a better team down the road, they need to go through growing pains most likely for a few years, especially the younger players, Shanahan just can’t have them step into starting roles and leave them. It leads to mediocricity and he knows this from his 20+ years of experience. I’m sure if Shanahan could have picked ALL his players, many would not be on the team, but he couldn’t and he’s playing the hand he’s been dealt. Next, all you NFL coaches on here will be calling for his firing and next year at this same time with a different coach the same thing will be going on. It’s like a treadmill of insanity.
Now, on to all the Worldy crisis phanatics who are in a heightened state of hysteria and can’t understand that everything is not perfect like it is in there basement when mommy brings down dinner and does there laundry for them. Try stepping into the real world for a minute, it’s where things go wrong and things get adjusted. We were 4-12 last year and need some rebuilding, and consensus for expectations seem to be about 8-8 this year, and that’s where we are headed. Over reaction can lead to the same thing we had the last two years and for once I’m glad Snyder is NOT listening to the crazy lunatic monday morning QB comments. Many things have clearly looked like a real NFL team the first 3 games as compared to the last 2 years. Leave the planning up to the football experts, not the basement dwellers. If you could do it better, apply for the job, until then, GET A LIFE!
There is no law of football that says a 3-4 is better than a 4-3. I don’t need to spend much time out of my like to know that in any given year, you play the best system to match your personnel. It’s so ridiculous how every team thinks they need to switch to a 3-4 these days. There was no good reason for the Redskins to ever switch to a 3-4. So, I still have a life, I will never be enough of an asshole to be a football coach, I don’t live in a basement, but I sure as hell know that NFL coaches are given way too much credit for being way smarter than they are, and that just because Jim Haslett (a guy who has failed as a Head Coach and is not some legendary D-coordinator) wants to copycat the Steelers, does not mean that switching to a 3-4 is worth the “growing pains”.
you play to win the game. you play to your personnel. you don’t make ill-thought-out changes just because you think your top-10 scoring/yardage defense doesn’t get enough glory plays (sacks/INTs).
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Sep 27, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that they should not have switched to the 3-4 this year
But if you say that you will never be enough of an A hole to be a football caoch, you are effectively saying all football coaches are assholes. So if you knew Haslett and Shanahan were A holes why would you expect anything different from what happened yesterday, you should have expected it from your armchair with your knowledge of who coaches are.
It’s funny how the defense has transitioned to get more sacks and int’s and the first game it doesn’t go well, the sky is collapsing. It’s pure lunacy
my point was that it doesn’t matter if the D is getting more sacks and INTs if they are giving up more yards and points.
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Sep 27, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
And I agree
And the team will go through a transition most likely for this year and next. But the choice is to get on board and see it through or run a competent coach, who needs a few years to get where he wants, out of town. Shanahan has a 5 year deal and I hope he gets to the end of it. Otherwise, the treadmill of insanity will continue.
hold on a second
your top-10 scoring/yardage defense/blockquote>
Which defense are you talking about? Yes, we were number 10 in yards allowed last year, but only number 15 in points. And that is exactly the problem with the defense we were playing. We always leaned on low yardage allowed as a crutch that, in reality, couldn’t make up for the inability to contain offenses when necessary or to take the ball away and give our offense some good field position.
Our defense has sucked since Gregg Williams left. If it still sucks now, at least it sucks with turnovers.
surely, you expected more this year than a terrible loss to the Rams?
I understand what you are saying, but you have to admit we go through the same bulls*it each year with player drama and mouthy egocentric poor performers.
There are still players who shut their mouth and get the job done because they have heart. We don’t seem to have them. Why? D.S. He doesn’t understand it and never will.
I surely expected more, but how is this on Snyder?
He brought Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan in here and handed over all authority. Would you rather have Jim Fassell running the team and Snyder signing Julius Peppers for $75 million?
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
To whom was this directed?
AH – “Just because somebody pay you money don’t mean they’ll make you do whatever they want … does that mean everything is for sale?”
Who is paying Albert Haynesworth? “Peoples Republic of Shanahanastan” or Dan Snyder.
Right - you can't blame Snyder for this, unless he put Allen on a tight budget,
which in turn kept them from improving the O-line and WRs (and I doubt that). On the 3-4, John Keim just blasted Kemoeatu – getting pushed around, just like in the pre-season (and Jim thinks he’s “just fine”). Fact is, we don’t have even a fair nose tackle (unless maybe Bryant recovers and really improves). Kseandoyle thinks we’re still headed for 8-8, and us phanatics shouldn’t over-react. I’d suggest that it is indeed time to, if not panic, at least do some serious re-thinking. By the way, before and after the game Haynesworth said he mainly played in 4-3 – like schemes. What did he mean by that? Is Haslett experimenting with hybrids, maybe preparatory to junking the 3-4 completely, and the transition caused them to be wildly out of sync? Trevor Matich (CSN) last night suggested they ought to switch to something like a 4-3. Just a thought – I defer to people who know more about defense than I do.
As long as the team sucks, there's lots of blame to go around.
The Danny gets his share.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
No. How about Jim Schwartz?
Shanny sells tickets. Bruce allen gives us a false sense of comfort. McNabb rings winner in winning starved ears. Rebuilding doesn’t sound sexy. No name coaches (who aren’t boobs like Zorn) won’t sell out the stadium. Just blow it up, man. Here’s my thought process. Trade Moss now. Get a third for him. Trade McNabb to Arizona or Minnesota,he is gone after this year anyway. Accumulate picks. Suck for two more years and let the children grow into a resounding philosophy that will last decades. Make the parts interchangeable. Just like Pittsburgh has done. Stop chasing the hot new trend and we will eventually win again. and have a real sense of pride for our team.
But we will have to wait for Danny to sell the team of die. Too bad he is so young.
You're not going to get a 3rd for Moss
You’re not going to get much for any of these players on the market. They can’t get a 3rd for Albert Haynesworth, you think they’re going to get a 3rd for Moss? You’re talking 6th and 7th round picks.
I will also note that the permanent rebuilding plan has been a staple in Detroit, St. Louis and other sad sack NFL teams. As we have seen here over the past 20 (!) years, most rebuilding plans don’t actually result in a new building, just a new demolition project.
Rebuilding plans also have to involve competent GMs
therefore St Louis and Detroit aren’t good example one way or the other.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Last time I checked..
St louis has been to a superbowl this decade. and The Lions drafted WR’s for three straight years. Two QB’s in the first round. That is not rebuilding. That is trying to sell jerseys. Imagine if they took Three O linemen and 2 D linemen. They would look like the Jets now. And I am not saying the jets are a lock, but they look pretty good.
Sounds nice, but...
once you crawl into a hole in the NFL, there’s no guarantee that you can draft your way out any time soon. See Lions, Rams, Raiders, Browns… Sure, there are success stories, but sometimes rebuilding doesn’t lead to anything but more rebuilding. A culture of losing can be a tough thing to shake.
Point I’m making is, consistently mediocre isn’t great, but it’s better than consistently awful. And that’s what you risk becoming if you trade away every single veteran contributor on the team.
Bored and broke.
So we're playing to not be awful?
That’s how you end up .500 every year, which is usually what we do, with the occasional 9-7 or 4-12
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Weird how the Caps and Skins swapped places
Remember in the 80’s and 90’s when the Caps were amazingly mediocre? 15 or so straight years to the playoffs, only to be lambs? HTen they blow it up publicly and created a plan. stuck to it and now they are the Jets of the NHL.
Yes I did but at the same time it doesn't suprise me
Players will need to be weeded out over time. But until we get back the 12 pick draft in one year, I don’t expect it to happen in one year.
Draft picks
Dream on, man – draft picks are vastly over-rated. Haven’t you learned anything from Thomas, Kelly, Morris, Henson and many others? Anything past the first or early second round is a crapshoot. Relying on draft picks looks good in theory, but is hard to implement in practice.
useless sample size.
Thomas, Kelly, Morris, Henson and many others?
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
yeah we haven't heard from
Chris Johnson, Rashard Mendenhall, Aquib Talib, Matt Forte, Ray Rice. Man are they all busts just like Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelley. And yes those are the players we passed up.
I don't entirely agree or disagree
We NEED draft picks for youth and to learn a system that will stay in place longer than 2 years. Down the road this leads to very good things. At the same time we need FA’s to fill certain roles that younger players take years to learn. It becomes more of a crapshoot when you constantly change out schemes and systems.
We are a team in transition
To say the very least. Our offense is struggling from offensive line and receiver woes while our defense is struggling from defensive line woes. Our rush game is failing because we get no push in between the tackle. Our passing attack is predictable without anyone aside from Moss at wideout. Our defensive line isn’t doing the most important part of a 3-4, forcing double teams to free up backers. The only guy benefiting from our 3-4 right now is Landry. We aren’t getting pressure, so our other DBs are having hell covering WRs for 4-5 seconds. Rogers and Hall both look good so far, but they can’t cover forever. Moore is good too, but he shouldn’t have to make unassisted open field tackles in a defense where backers are supposed to have already swarmed him. The 3-4 isn’t a bad idea, but the transition will be terrible at this rate. I am a 4-3 kind of guy myself, because I think it is retarded to take your best pass rusher, and not rush them every down. If you want more people to cover, you bring out your nickel and dime packages, not screwing with two defensive ends and pretending they are OLBs. I think the 3-4 is a mistake for the skins, at least this year. Maybe it’ll be better in the future, but I think we could change back to the 4-3 THIS WEEK, put Orakpo and Carter at DE, and manage a better defense on a week of practice then what we have now. Absolutely rediculous.
We've been a team in transition since...
Dan Snyder took control of the team. Problem is the fans are just as impatient as Dan Snyder, so we will always be a “team in transition”. I’ve finally accepted this.
that's because the plan is always changing
I was so excited when Schottenheimer was hired because I know he can make a team competitive. He’s never gone to the superbowl, I accept that he’s got a problem there but he does know how to build a team that at least competes for the division title EVERY YEAR. Going from our perpetual losing record to a perpetual winning record would have been a huge step in the right direction.
Snyder is too impatient. Even if Shanahan is making mistakes in his dealings with players, Snyder needs to stick with Shanahan for at least 4 years.
I have to agree with Kevin (and John Keim) and others, more than Carver -
As awful as Heyer was, it wasn’t all him. The 3-4 has to go, or this season is lost. I said months ago, that Shanahan’s fateful decision to switch to the 3-4, not having the necessary personnel, could well cost him his job, ruin his tenure as head coach of the Redskins, and doom them to several mediocre or worse seasons. Like Jim Zorn’s early decision that Jason Campbell was his QB – the die was cast. But Mike’s mistake was worse than Jim’s. Mike made other bad decisions – not beefing up the O-line (sticking with Heyer), not beefing up the WRs (sticking with Galloway), not getting another good RB, etc. But the 3-4 move, cleverly turning a top 10 defense into one of the worst in the league – that was the real killer. Looking at the schedule, it’s hard to see even three more wins (TB, JAX?). And we can’t even say “wait till next year”.
I totally agree with you
However, the thing about most good teams is that they keep the same thing going year to year without turnover. We can’t fire this staff.
Oh come on now
The only thing Dan Snyder is good at is firing staff. He won’t pass up on any opportunity to fire somebody. He fires more folks than Donald Trump!
This season is already lost
Is it too early to fire Hasslett? Gotta say that he took our only strength and made it our biggest weakness. Shanarat’s ego is killing us to. WHY THE FUCK WAS JAMAL BROWN NOT PLAYING LEFT TACKLE YESTERDAY!? He made 2 Pro Bowls protecting Brees’s blindside, but we go with Heyer? What the fuck. But the defense is the main reason we lost yesterday. Why Hasslett? Shanahan had a whole year off from football to plan and assemble a staff, and this is the best he can do? BULLSHIT
Jammal Brown
Only thing I can think of is he’s not as mobile as he used to be coming off that hip injury. They worked him out at LT this week, so if they decided not to use him, they must have saw something in practice against Rak.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I liked the decisions of keeping Brown at RT
and if everyone is saying we lost b/c of our defense then why the F does it matter?
by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
So the season is lost in a division that looks like this…
Eagles 2-1
Redskins 1-2
Giants 1-2
Cowboys 1-2
Seriously? It week f’ing 3! I know we looked like dogshit but so have a lot teams… What does Jamaal Brown have to do with Shanahan’s ego?
by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
HAHA
Isn’t it funny how all the doomsday fans come out when life isn’t perfect.
That's how a lot of fans are I guess
Either we’re going to the Super Bowl after a huge win or we’re going to go 4-12 after a terrible loss.
I think when the Skins lose we should just make one big "BITCH HERE" post
instead of everyone venting their frustration with their own personal monologues.
by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Previously called "The LJP Fanpost"
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
That seriously sounds like a good idea
These over-dramatics over a win or loss is annoying to say the least.
We did call it correctly last year though. As long as this team is healthy I’ll never write them off.
Having said that, back-to-back weeks against physical teams like GB and PHI have me very nervous. Except for Landry and Trent, we have no one on this team that is punishing.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Shit you're right, we can't beat any teams we're going 1-15
by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not that gloomy. I had us going 10-6. On that track, we should be 3-0 now,
so we are 2 games down (I had us splitting the division, beating Hou, Tenn, JAX, Bears, Detroit, STL, TB). If we could beat Philly, we’d be 2-2, only one game down from my projected 10-6 scenario. And it could happen. Even now, given my old estimate of our talent, it projects to 9-7, which could win the NFC East. So, yes, if the Skins are roughly as good as I had thought, and the STL game was an aberration, there is still hope. But the game revealed serious weaknesses, especially the defense – no NT, can’t stop run, DBs erratic, and the offense – the O-line mediocre with no depth (Heyer!!), and only one decent WR, and CP seemingly going downhill. The offensive problems have been evident all year,the defense’s only in the last two games. So I am tentatively re-evaluating our basic quality as a team. We still should be able to beat TB, DET and JAX. But as we are, using the 3-4, I think we’re solid underdogs to the Bears and Tenn, and probably to all the division teams. That would mean 4-12. So, yes, RVA and Kurt, we should probably still play the games, and I’ll be watching and hoping. But expectations have dropped.
Yeah you are right
Let’s just forefeit the rest of our games since you are so confident they can’t beat anybody in the league. Enough overreacting to one bad loss.
by Kurtstack on Sep 27, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is your name Dan Snyder
The solution to every problem must be to fire somebody!!
some positive news...
I got an Orakpo jersey (still in the bag) sent to me from the NLF Shop…we’ll give that away tomorrow w/ a contest.
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yep
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
it’s the chinese shop in Ken’s basement.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
The meats at his tailgate do have a funky smell.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
haha
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I know someone who has a roomfull of Jerseys from that company.
I’m still trying to decide if it’s really legit, they look EXACTLY the same as NFL jerseys.
I'm pretty sure my Orakpo jersey
is a knockoff, but you’d never know. Even had a legit-looking tag on it.
-2X
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
That quote..
You gotta be effing kidding me. Why is this team like this? That they think they’re automatically better than the shitty teams? Did they not learn anything from last year’s game against the Lions?! I guess not.
I thought things were supposed to be different with Shanny as head coach but some things never change.
for real. if any player for a second forgot they went 4-12 last year...
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
It happens
Better teams loose to lesser teams in the NFL, and turnovers and penalties and mistakes are normally the reason why. Is the season over? No, not by a longshot, but we will have to beat some of the leagues best teams to make something happen. There is a lot of time to turn this ship around. If we can follow this loss up with some good wins against tougher opponents I’m sure the tunes will change around here just like they have changed since week one. The NFL season is a long bumpy ride and we’ve gotta hang in there with Shanny and company. I know this leaves a bitter taste, but I have faith they can rebound, and a win against the Eagles would go a LOOOOOOOONG toward putting this loss behind us.
who says we're the better team?
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I think the playing field is a lot more even this year then year's past...
With the exception of Green Bay, no team has really “wowed” me this year and a lot of the bad teams are hanging in their against some pretty good teams, i.e. Lions…
I think the NFC East is at extreme disadvantage this year though b/c we play the NFC North and AFC South which both have competitive teams all around. This while the NFC South and NFC West are duking it out with powder puff schedules this year. I said this two weeks ago and I’ll say it again, I wouldn’t be surprised if the winner of the NFC East is 9-7…
I HATE perceived crappy teams on the road, like yesterday, you have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Football is not rocket science...
Coaches should be able to match the best scheme for the players they have, and for us that is definitely a 4-3. I hate that that feel they have to have THEIR scheme, I know it’s a different sport but I remember Pat Riley changing his style to fit the players he had when he left LA and went to NY. Why can’t this happen in the NFL?
However, an equal part of our problem is that our players are bad and no scheme fixes that. I wanted to write about how back in 2001 we had a new coach the D looked AWFUL (I remember being at a game against the Chiefs and thinking it was the worst defensive performance I had ever seen) and we started 0-5 but turned the season around and made a decent finish. However, that would be rationalizing this awful team and getting sucked into false hope, which personally I am trying not to do ever again. We suck. It’s obvious.
Gibbs II
Gibbs II was the only time since Snyder took over the team that there was a consistent head coach for several years. We made the playoffs twice. It’s amazing what can come of a consistent system. I’m just hoping we give Shanny the time to bring in the type of players he wants. It’s going to take several years to replace the crap that cerratto filled the roster with. Trent Williams and Orakpo are excellent building blocks to start with though.
Good post, how did Gibbs 2.0 start? 6-10
I know its a very hard thing to ask for, but we have to patient.
Same ol Redskins Fans
Guys and Gals,
What were you expecting from a team that went 4-12 last year and had only 4 picks in this past years draft? Every year it’s the same thing, fans, bloggers, media, “this is going to be the year the Skins turn it around.” Give me a break, until this franchise rids itself of the past mistakes (no draft picks, suspect free agent signings, no franchise quarterback, letting the star players (and I mean that loosely) have free reign with no consequences, etc.) then this team will continue to suck. McNabb is not the answer he’s just a band-aid on a leaking dike.
The receivers are mediocre, yes fans even Devin Thomas. The defense has forever been mediocre in that it never caused turnovers, so now guys are playing out of position. If freakin Albert Haynesworth had any kind of self worth and actually believed in doing what is best for the team, then he would clog the middle so Fletcher and Rocky could hopefully make plays instead of playing DE where the defense can just run the other way and keep him out of the play.
So forget it Redskins fans, the Skins are exactly what they’ve been for the past 10 years, a below average football team with below average players getting paid superstar salaries. Shame on Redskins fans for thinking anything different after just one “off season with a new coach” you all should no better. Support the team and quit whining when you knew this was a possibility. Give Allen and Shanahan a few more years before you throw the book at them, as for the ST’s coach, toss that loser, he’s been awful for years.
by query8779 on Sep 27, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Step away from the ledge
We will have our LT back soon. Thomas will be starting at WR soon. Haynesworth might actually play soon. The cures to our ills are on our roster so things can’t be that bleak.
This season
Hey it was rough against the Rams, won’t lie about it. Made me sick. However, I knew going in this was a year of re-building, even with Shanahan and McNabb. Beating dallas weel 1 was glorious, if we go 2-14 (beating them again haha) I would be happy. I am almost 44, been a Skins fan all my life, seen better, seen worse. I grew up in NY fighting annoying Giants fans, nothing will shake me from my loyalty. I still love watching the games and will root to the bitter end. Go Skins!
+1000
I’m a couple years older and I’ve been a Redskins fan since I was old enough to tell the difference between teams. I hope Snyder gives Shanahan the time to make a difference and doesn’t give him the Schottenheimer treatment. I’m still mad at Snyder for that stupid move. Firing Marty to hire Spurrier was the worst management move ever.
new chief same old indians.
if the redskins can not beat a team who,s record the past 2 years is 1 -17 now 2_17 and with a rookie qb it goes to show you that shannahan has alot of work ahead of him with this team just cause you solved the qb problem so you think. there is still plenty of holes to fix are wide outs suck the o line is shaky we have a malcotent fat ass that is a distraction and a broken down running back if shanny thinks he can win a championship with this group he has lost his coaching genius
lohaus #54
Trent Williams = a victory over the Rams ..
Trent William being out changed our whole game plan on offense. Donovan Mac has faith that Trent will make the block on passing downs. With Trent back we will be back in the mix again. Shanny needs to start using our play makes IE FRED DAVIS AND DEVIN THOMAS ON OFFENSE ..
I think Williams being in would firm up our linebacker play too
Oh wait, no I don’t.
Bored and broke.
by ThaRak on Sep 28, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

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