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Boswell: Odds Are Against Redskins; I Say They're Not

If you're a regular to DC Sports and the Washington Post, then certainly you know Tom Boswell, a sports journalist I highly respect and frequently follow.  He's primarily known for his baseball insight, but he brings up a lot of good numbers from history when trying to predict analyze the Redskins likely 2010 record:

In the last 20 years, 18 teams that went 4-12 switched coaches. Their average record the next season was 7-9. Since '90, there have been 54 teams that lost 11 or more games, then got a new coach before the next season. How many made the playoff the first year? Ten of 54, or just 19 percent.

In the last 20 years, 115 NFL teams have changed coaches after the season. Just 17 of them - or 14.9 percent - improved by five wins. That should be sobering. But it gets worse. Of the 17 teams that showed big jumps, how many went backward in the new coach's second season? Answer: 13 of the 17.

[This season], Washington plays seven games against teams that won 11 to 14 games last year and four more against .500-or-better teams.

All good numbers, but I exit off the Boswell Highway when he states, "The Redskins don't look different from dozens of losing teams in the last 20 years that switched coaches." Luckily, I poured my Kool-aid into a Thermos today, so there will be no spilling of mine this glorious summer afternoon. The Redskins were 4-12 last season on paper, but they were NOT a 4-12 team. A few key notes: Jim Zorn's offense was as predictable as morning sunrises, he got as much respect as Rodney Dangerfield, and he was neck-in-neck with Cerrato on who knows less about football operations. My point? Boswell is comparing apples and oranges. If we were to take ANY of the other 31 NFL coaches from last year and put them as the Head Coach of the Redskins, we're at worst a 6-10 team. How's that?

Star-divide

It's impossible to forget that the Redskins first SIX opponents last year were all winless. The final score in all those games were decided by 1 score or less - 4 of which were losses - PATHETIC. Any half-competent coach would have won half those games and that puts the Redskins at 4-2 instead of 2-4. What do the historic numbers say for a team coming off a 6-10 record? Mike Shanahan agreed as much that the Redskins he received are not a 4-12 team at the Welcome Home Luncheon last week:

Shanahan: You take a look at a team and people say you're 4-12. And I said, 'Well, I thought I was going to get a 4-12 team. There's too much character in this room.'     

The mismanaged 2-minute drills, the swinging gate, the poor red zone play-calling, it goes on and on. When Zorn was publicly castrated  forced to hand-over the play-calling duties, many things improved over night. The arm-band was given to Campbell and the offense was finally able to score 20 or more points in a game. From right then, we knew the Redskins were not playing to their potential pre-BYE week.

Having said all that, Boz's 7-9 analysis does carry some weight for other reasons he mentioned - primarily the ridiculously difficult schedule the Redskins face. When/If injuries hit, this tough schedule will outweigh any game-plan that is being executed by Grossman or backup running backs. If the Redskins somehow manage to stay healthy along the OL and QB...look out - these fore-mentioned stats will be a footnote and the Redskins will be in the wild card hunt. If Gibbs can manage a playoff run two years out from Spurrier's over-flowing toilet, surely Shanahan can this season with this many Pro Bowlers and established locker room leaders he has to work with.

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Over the last 10 years or so (aside from the Spurrier years) the ’Skins have had 9-10 wins talent every year it seems like. IMO of course.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Aug 26, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Lots of NFL teams do

It comes down to luck, depth, drafting, and coaching.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Aug 26, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

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by FlaGators on Aug 26, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

After the swinging gate incident

Even teams like Elon and Allegheny State must have thought “Oh ya, we can beat THESE guys…”. Most every loss last year was demoralizing in its own unique way. That speaks more towards coaching, and the lack thereof, than simply getting beat on every step of every play. These guys were and are good athletes that can go head to head with most eveyr other physical specimen that any other team throws our way. Difference is, when we are getting physically beat, Shanny and crew should have the ability and in some cases, the depth, to make adjustments. That’s going to go a long way to ensure 2 or even three victorious trips to Dallas this year (assuming the Craptits have home field advantage in the playoffs).

KOOL ADE FLOWING LIKE NIAGARA, BROTHERS!!

what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by gopens44 on Aug 26, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I was at every game, it was a hilarious year to have season tickets.

"You're fucking out!"

by travisjh86 on Aug 26, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

And tough on the liver.

Probably took several years off of my life.

by CarverM on Aug 26, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was more disappointing?

Not seeing a single TD or knowing that at any point in time, you COULD HAVE went to the restroom or obtained some food or drink without fear of missing a TD? Only thing I hate about going to hockey games is taking a chance to miss a score…..

what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by gopens44 on Aug 26, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

you COULD HAVE went to the restroom or obtained some food or drink without fear of missing a TD?

This hit me about the 3rd Quarter of the Chiefs game with Todd Collins slinging it aroud, I think its the first time I went to a bathroom at a sporting event during play (not counting baseball b/c thats near impossible).

And then I was in the bathroom and some kid kept talking and yelling about how good Todd Collins was and that he was our saviour (all b/c CP rattled off a 40 yd run), that was the first time I publicly humilated another Skins fan. “Yea, did you see the way Todd handed off that ball”, it was a day of firsts, haha.

by Parks Smith on Aug 26, 2010 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Reposting my comments from Washington Post

I’m not expecting Super Bowl this year, that would be crazy. Personally I expect 8-8 or so, depending on a few bounces of the ball.

The Redskins improved at some very critical positions this offseason:

Coach – Well we have a real one now.
QB – McNabb has already made passes JC couldn’t even think of making.
LT – Williams is a rookie, but still better than what we had last year.

Many NFL analysts state the three most important positions in the NFL are QB, LT and DE…well we already had Orakpo, now we upgraded the QB and LT compared to last year, and have a real guy as a coach.

I’m just looking for progress, not miracles.

(note: some guys were saying Shannahan was overrated, and pointing the Ravens game, and saying the Cowboys would destroy the Redskins Week 1, so that’s where some of the next comments come from)

Even if Shanny the Elder is “overrated”, Kyle Shannahan is a very good offensive coordinator.

To me the Ravens-Redskins preseason game was 6-3 at the half, I don’t care about any fake punts the Ravens ran to get on tape for their week 1 opponent.

The Ravens are a well run organization that many are picking to be Super Bowl contenders. I agree the Redskins need to stop giving away draft picks(I’ve been saying this since oh, 2002) but you can’t build depth in one offseason in the NFL – it takes time.

I don’t expect the Redskins to play up to the level of the Ravens yet, just to beat the non-elite teams – you know, the ones in theory they should beat.

And concerning week 1 vs. Dallas, who does Dallas plan to use to block people? Everyone seems to be touting them as potential super bowl champs, yet ignoring their already getting injured and not so great offensive line…

by BrokenClipboard on Aug 26, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

It should also be noted that the Redskins never really game-planned for the Ravens

They just went out and ran plays…makes a difference. I really think we’ll whoop the Cowboys in a high scoring game.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 26, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Redskins / Ravens Comparison

I’m sure it’s been said here before, but all things being equal with how each team has been run the last 3-4 years, I’d expect the Ravens depth to be better than the Redskins.

Hopefully having McNabb for 3-4 years, and two younger tackles, will allow the front office to use draft picks and find players at other positions.

I think it’s no coincidence that the teams that usually draft the best don’t have the biggest pressing need(QB), and are free to evaluate the draft better.

by BrokenClipboard on Aug 26, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just re-watched that game (for the third time)

And I felt that our starters did very well against the Ravens’ starters. Especially considering we’re running new schemes on both sides of the ball. The mistakes we did make, I feel are easily correctable with a little time and cohesion. Granted, there isn’t a lot of time left at this point in the season, but regardless, the final score is very misleading in comparison to how our starters actually played against their starters.

by bigrm18 on Aug 26, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

You Forgetting Kicker!

We would have been 6-10 last year if Suisham could hit a freaking 25-30 yard chip-shot field goal. It might have been more than that for the Saints game that he should have won for us, but he missed TWICE from inside the 30 in Dallas — And we lost that game by one point.
I’ve been drinking a lot of the Kool-Aide since Easter, but my money is on 10-6 this year… Thats right 10-6!!
And as for week 1, Orakpo is going make Doug Free wish he could go back to second string and Romo is going to spend the day running for his life!
HTTR

by ATXSkinfan on Aug 27, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know the Ravens game was preseason, yet it did demonstrate lack of depth on the lines.

I would be in favor of giving T Williams some help until he gets up to speed with the NFL pass rushers. Eight sacks allowed is a high number in a NFL regular season. That was implied in Rabach’s comment about T Williams success against Suggs. Maybe keeping Vickers as a 3rd TE is not a bad idea since he may be a better blocker than Cooley or Davis. Fred Davis could still play more of a WR role and then only keep 5 WR on the roster.

I expect the Jets to play the Skins similarly to the way they played the Colts in last seasons play off game. The Ravens used much the same tactic. Force the opponent to become one dimensional without the run working and the blitzers have a field day. The Jets forced Manning to take snaps directly from the center rather from the shotgun with their blitzes.

A review of the schedule with the opponents defensive scheme in view might give a different perspective of the Skins season W-L record. Yet I do think that the Skins were better than their 2009 4-12 record. McNabb’s play and the Shanahans play calling should conservatively be worth at least 3 more wins. The 3-4 may also help to gain wins if the personnel is up to the tasks such as LB pass coverage and the DE can occupy more than one blocker. Kemo hasn’t shown that he can take care of the “A” gaps which is a key NT responsibility.

by Jefferson1935 on Aug 26, 2010 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

We don't have fantastic depth

But I agree with you Kevin, the Skins weren’t a 4-12 team last year, just because the record says the Skins. Shoot, I think this year, without injuries and on paper, we are a 10-6, 11-5 team. The issue though is how players will handle losses, how they handle the transitions to both a new offense and defense, and who steps up when a key injury happens. I think we are looking at a shot at playoffs, but I don’t foresee winning the division or anything of such. A thing barring a lot (or just a few key) injuries, we are 9-7, maybe 10-6. It’s a lot wins, but we have a great coach to help us.

by BigOLinemen on Aug 26, 2010 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Boswell - good article

but basically just cycles. Worth reading by gamblers. I think we were not a 4-12 team – the real starting point is probably more like 7-9. I think improvements should kick us to 10-6 or 9-7. The schedule is not as hard as it could be. Assuming 3-3 in the division, other games we’ll be clear underdogs are Minn and Indy, and slight underdog to GB (at home). Key (tough but winnable) games are Hous, at Bears, at Tenn. Ten wins could be div (3), TB, STL, Det, JAX, Hous, Bears, Tenn.
All this would go out the window if there were any major injuries to the O-line – a repeat of 2009. McNabb has to stay healthy, also. We also probably need Haynesworth and Portis to have good years, and somebody to step up as a #2 WR, although those things could possibly be offset to an extent.

by Donnio1234 on Aug 26, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Schedule

Teams that concern me the most are Indy and GB, although I think GB’s defense will regress a little bit with their aging CBs – which could be good for Aaron Rodgers in Fantasy.

I also don’t take for granted any division game, as I expect the Giants to not be nearly as bad as last year, and hate to bring up the point that the Skins were 0-6 in division. Without being at least 3-3 in division, have to be really really good outside of division to be 9-7.

by BrokenClipboard on Aug 26, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Six and 10 or seven and nine

Is much more realistic. I know everybody says we were better than four and 10 last year, but that probably was one of the easiest schedules we’ve ever played. For this season, were playing a very tough schedule against elite pass rushers with a rookie (albeit excellent rookie) left tackle and a known fragile quarterback. The offensive line is just as thin as last year if not more so. We are running different schemes on both sides of the ball. We don’t have a very diverse backfield, they are all one trick ponies except for Portis who has just returned from a serious concussion. There are serious depth issues on the defensive line and I have serious doubts about the play of the outside linebackers. Our only free safety looks like he will miss at least four games, and I fear the big play may hurt us quite a bit again, the pass rush has not looked stellar so far.
The Jets game should be the game that would clear up a lot of these questions, but we’re going to be missing at least two starters and I doubt that Jamaal Brown will play enough. The wide receivers are still not getting separation (except for Armstrong), or are playing very inconsistently (Thomas, Austin).
You know there are going to be injuries this year, there always are. Think about where we could absorb an injury, the only place I can think of is at strong safety or possibly running back; an injury anywhere else on this team could pretty much flush the season.
Why am I being so negative? Because for 10+ years I’ve been positive at the start only to watch truly horrendous football during the season, I am now firmly in the wait-and-see camp… They are going to have to show me some consistency and some heart first.

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by Skins Fan '77 on Aug 26, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree mostly with Skins Fan 77, but as they say in Basketball

   “Ball don’t lie”. We WERE 4-12 against possibly the easiest schedule we’ve ever had. How do you expect to do much better against perhaps the toughest schedule we’ve ever had.

    Saying the above, Yes, I think we’ve made great strides, but we just had too many faults to correct them all in one year. I think next year we may be quite competitive, provided intelligent and ample free agent money is used. Cuz we don’t have enough draft picks.

    And WHY did we get such a tough schedule? Normally in the NFL, when you have a wimp season (and we certainly did) you should have a wimp shedule the following year. It’s what the NFL calls ‘parity’.

by Dipper on Aug 26, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Schedule

Only 2 games of 16 are based on how you did last year – depending on what slot you were in the division.

That’s why the Skins get St. Louis and Tampa Bay.

The only difference in schedule between NFC East are those two games.

by BrokenClipboard on Aug 26, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup
Only 2 games of 16 are based on how you did last year

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Aug 26, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schedule

The teams rotate through the other NFC and AFC divisions, so 14 games are set far in advance. The other two games are determined by matching your finish with teams in the other two NFC divisions. The difficulty of the schedule isn’t always obvious – teams get better or worse, whole divisions sink (like last year, both NFC and AFC West), etc. So you can’t really depend on an “easy” or “hard” schedule. I’d suggest that the NFC North is roughly comparable to the NFC South, and better than the NFC West, and It appears that the AFC East and North are the toughest, followed by the South, and the West still weakest .

by Donnio1234 on Aug 26, 2010 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

All I can say is that I’m really getting tired of playing the Bucs. Scratch that…I am tired of that game.

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by FlaGators on Aug 26, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depth is the big question mark

I agree that last year was way worse than it had to be due to poor coaching and poor game (not to mention team) management. The Redskins starting team I think is going to be quite solid. The problem will be when the injuries inevitably start to occur. We, sadly, are not a young team. We have not drafted well or consistently in a decade.

In my annual preseason drunken argument with a friend who is a Ravens fan this is the point he brought up. You look at their backups and you see young potential all over the place. Passed the Redskins first string you see a bunch of has-beens and likely never will be’s (with a few notable exceptions like TE and SS). That is why I don’t foresee a playoff berth this year. Injuries happen every year and the teams that go deep are the ones who can lose starting players without major drops in output. This is something we can’t do yet but I’m hoping Shanahan and Allen will have a few years of solid drafting to put it together. Based on this offseason and the state of the team left by Vinny the jury is still out on whether this will happen.

by SkinsOsTerps on Aug 26, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

This is possibly the most important reason to draft
You look at their backups and you see young potential all over the place

This right here. You want to get to a point where you’re not forced to start every key draft pick you make. And you have time to find & develop the late round gems.

Good teams have potential in the wings when the injuries come. Bad teams’ seasons are lost when injuries hit.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Aug 27, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

O-line - very vulnerable

The O-line is close to where it was last year – starters pretty good, if slightly less injury prone, and even less quality depth. Last year they had Jeremy Bridges and Big Mike Williams as backups, until some genius cut Bridges. This year losing BMW was a huge blow, particularly to depth, because they had to move their only quality backup – Hicks – to RG. Of course, we could luck out – no injuries to the O-line. I really hope we don’t lose Clinton or Donovan or Santana – they are so vital, and no really solid backups (OK, the receivers would still function, and Rex is OK, and maybe some committee to replace CP, but man, I hope we don’t ever have to find out those things). I think the defense will be OK unless there were wholesale injuries. Looking at things that way, we could have another “good defense, weak offense” type year, unless we’re very lucky. Also, I wonder if there’s much chance that Allen will get another top O-line guy by trade?

by Donnio1234 on Aug 26, 2010 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

You took the words right off my fingertips...

I see the same problem we had last year with the Oline. An injury here or there and you’ve got no backup. Granted they drafted several backups but reading the camp reports since the beginning of the OTA’s doesn’t give me a warm and fuzzy feeling about Oline backup. Apparently there’s a fair drop off in talent behind the starters. It remains to be seen if they’ll pick up any castoffs from other teams during the cut down period.

by DudleyDoright on Aug 27, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm counting on better conditioning to mitigate injuries.

It would be real interesting to see how other teams fared with their OLine last year in terms of number of players that started all 16 games, number of plays played by starters vs back-ups, etc. Did I hear your fingers typing away, there, Jefferson.? :)

In short, how did our OLine compare to other teams in terms of injuries and how those teams fared.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Aug 27, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

COULD GET UGLY....BUT

Sorry, no crystal ball here…..but there’s one thing I can say with confidence. If Snyder HADN’T brought in Shanahan (and shown Cerrato the door) then last year’s 4-12 record would have looked like a winning season compared to what would have happened this year.
With very few draft choices and a very weak free agent class (and a whole lot of holes to fill) Shanny has built a better team….but with this year’s schedule and woeful lack of depth, it will take a lot of lucky bounces to beat .500.

by Tee L on Aug 27, 2010 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

yea...

We’d have Clausen and no Jammal Brown…yikes!

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 27, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you need proof that this team can be pretty damn good, point to the Saints game...

I still contend that we beat the Saints TWICE and got jobbed by the refs TWICE.

I actually found the monolouge from the ref and the review booth: “Yea George, ahh Roger Goodell just called in, umm he wants the Saints to remain undefeated for the Saturday night game coming up, we need the ratings buddy… So yea it was a fumble.”

by Parks Smith on Aug 27, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bejeebus...

I had that completely blocked from my mind….along with most of the details of last season.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Aug 27, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forget 2009

Forget about 2009. It’s of absolutely no use for predicting 2010. This is a very different team and coaching staff. Some have said our O line is not much better than it was at the start of 2009. Wrong. Last year we had an aging left tackle and basically no right tackle at all. This year we have a left tackle with good upside and a pro-bowl right tackle. We have a QB who can improvise, see the field, and get first downs on broken plays. We have a #2 wide receiver: Anthony Armstrong. There is no reason to think he can’t be a legit #2. He has the speed, the separation and he catches everything. We have a healthy Cooley + Davis. We have a focussed Portis. We have loads of know-how in the coaching staff. We have a defense that will hopefully at least be average with regard to getting turnovers and giving the offense a short field, after years of below average results in that category. We have a promising punt returner to help with field position (and who may also help at the receiver position in a limited role).

We have a defense that should still be good. It’s a new scheme, but too much is made of that. There is plenty of talent on defense.

Lastly, the NFC East is not as stout as it has been in recent years. Cowboys don’t have an O line. Eagles don’t have Dawkins, McNabb, Westbrook. Giants have not been the same without Plax. Brandon Jacobs is finished. Antonio Pierce retired.

The only thing negative I can say is that the skins offense will not be as good at the Texans were under Shanahan. We don’t have Andre Johnson.

We don’t have great depth on O line, but who does?

by hsoup on Aug 27, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with most of your post. It is true that T Williams has a good upside. It remains to be seen with Jammal Brown - can he return

to his pro ball form? Brown did play most of the 2008 season with the tear in his hip at a high level. It is even possible that Heyer
has improved (gulp). Hicks is likely to be better than last years RGs. Both Rabach and Dockery may slip some from their 2009 performances. “We don’t have great depth on O line, but who does?” There are a few teams that have decent OL depth including the 49ers, Ravens, and the Saints, yet the Jets made it with a good starting 5 in the 2009 season.

The few WR, Moss and Armstrong, as well as two good pass receiving TEs look like a better receiver corp than 2009 seasons.
I am believing Portis 2010 version is better than his 2009 version – better condition and speed.

The 3-4 defense can’t be expected to be at the level of the Ravens, Jets, or Steelers. The 2009 Saints turnover advantage may also be one for the 2010 Skins.

by Jefferson1935 on Aug 27, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

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