Brandon Banks and Terrence Austin Need to Make This Team
They average a diminutive 5'9" and 161 pounds, and thats only because Brandon Banks significantly lowers that average, but these could be the two most explosive players on the Washington Redskins. They are WR/KR's Brandon Banks and Terrence Austin. Both rookies, one a seventh round draft choice, and the other an undrafted free agent, share a lot in common.
Aside form their small stature, both men are fighting for a position on the Redskins 53 man roster come this fall at the same position; backup wide reciever, and return specialist. But that is not where the similarities end. Both players have game changing speed; something the Redskins have not seen in the return game in over a decade.
Banks played his college football at Kansas State, where he excelled as a wide receiver and return specialist in his two years. His best receiving year came in 2008 when he caught 67 passes for 1049 yards and 9 touchdowns. He also added a 98 yard kickoff return for a touchdown. In 2009, Banks lit it up in the return game with 39 kickoff returns for 1127 yards and 4 touchdowns. He also pulled in 56 receptions for 705 yards and 1 touchdown. He boasts sub 4.4 speed in the 40 yard dash, and is said to have posted a 4.4 in the 2010 NFL combine after pulling a hamstring half way through the run.
As a Redskin, Banks showed flashes of his ability in the return game when he took a punt 77 yards to the house against the Buffalo Bills. The speed he showed, made the Bills special teamers look like they were stuck in slow motion. For the game, Banks had 4 punt returns for an average of 24 yards, including the 77 yard touchdown. He was not a prominate part of the passing game.
Terrence Austin was a seventh round draft pick of the Redskins. He played his college ball at UCLA, and posted carer totals of 109 receptions, for 1192 yards and 5 touchdowns. He excelled in the return game as well averaging an impressive 24.1 yards on kickoff returns in 2008-2009. Eventhough he failed to take a return to the house, he did have an 82 yard return as a junior that was one step away from being a score. Austin ran his 40 in the low 4.4's at his UCLA pro day, and has reported times in the mid 4.3's.
In the Redskins preseason game versus the Bills, Austin caught 2 passes for 18 yards, one of which was an impressive extended grab across the middle in traffic. Austin also added 2 kickoff returns for a 24 yard average, and had 3 punt returns for 22 yards.
The delima for the Redskins coaching staff is what to do with the receiving corps this preseason. We have vetrans Santana Moss, Joey Galloway, Roydell Williams, Bobby Wade, and Mike Furrey, to go along with youngsters Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Anthony Armstrong, Banks and Austin. The staff will most likely keep six wide receivers, with at least one serving as the primary kickoff/punt return specialist. This is where things become complicated for Banks and Austin.
The staff is most likely going to have to make a descision between the two, as to which one they keep, and which one they either release, or assign to the practice squad. Moss, Thomas, and at lease one of either Williams/Galloway(or possibly both) are pretty much assured to make the team. That leaves either two or three spots left to be filled. Malcolm Kelly, who is battling yet another injury, could be one to watch over the remainder of the preseason. If he is unable to get healthy, and work his way onto the field, the former second round draft pick could become a training camp cut. By all accounts, Anthony Armstrong has had an impressive camp thus far, and is determined to make the team. He can also contribute as a special teamer, which should help his chances.
The question is, should the Redskins coaching staff choose to keep Galloway/Williams over the likes of Banks/Austin, or would it be in the better interest of the team to release Galloway/Williams, and keep both the young playmakers on the 53 man roster. Can the team live with the mental mistakes a young receiving corps is sure to make, in favor of having that big play ability on the roster, or will Shanahan and company want a few seasoned veterans to mix in with some young talent, eventhough those veterans may only have a year or two left in their football careers.
Only time will tell which direction the staff will choose to go, but one thing is for sure; we should be seeing a lot of both Banks and Austin in the next couple preseason games. Try not to blink, because if you do, your bound to miss something special.
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I really hope Banks makes the team just as a dynamic return guy, I think its going to be hard for both Banks and Austin to make the squad though…
Did any one see Marco Mitchell take it 71 yards to the house last night?
Yes, the mitchell catch was pretty impressive
Does anyone feel we released the wrong WR when we let Mitchell go, and still hung onto Malcolm Kelly?
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With 20-20 hindsight, yes
I and almost everybody else were shocked when they let Marco go. Malcolm just continues to disappoint.
That saying doesnt work here dumbass
he said WHEN WE LET HIM GO…meaning at THAT time. not NOW.
I thought it was the wrong decision WHEN it happened.
Dude, calm down
There was nothing wrong with Donnio’s comment. Seriously, don’t start a fight where it isn’t needed.
I'm back. YAY SUMMER!
no, he really did use “20-20 hindsight” incorrectly. yes, tw10 could calm down.
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Aug 16, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
OK fair enough
But there’s no need to nitpick. And tw10 didn’t need to insult him in the process.
I'm back. YAY SUMMER!
Why is it used incorrectly?
It means that you see the correct action now, looking back, knowing what happened – having more facts, the benefit of seeing the results. And that it wasn’t obvious back then (or they wouldn’t have done it), although it doesn’t preclude some seeing the truth back then. So it’s easy to look back at something and say “that was a mistake”, even though many or most would have done the same thing. We have perfect vision (20-20) looking back at the past. “Of course Snyder shouldn’t have made Jim Zorn head coach, of course Vinny shouldn’t have drafted Thomas and Kelly so high”, etc. I think it is increasingly apparent that dumping Mitchell was a mistake because our current receiving corps isn’t so great, especially for big targets. I wasn’t too happy about it at the time because he did seem to be our best big receiver (I was sceptical of DT and MK even then). So, what do you think is the correct usage of the phrase? How do you use it? DCO’sfan – thanks.
you simply didn’t need to use it. you said you were shocked when they let Mitchell go, therefore you didn’t need 20-20 hindsight to see it, you already knew it was wrong to hold on to the Okahoma system-product. i really don’t know why i felt the need to say anything, just boredom. whatever. you’re good. carry on. nothing to see here
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by eastcoastatlas on Aug 17, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
20-20 hindsight
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. It’s a very old phrase, at least 50 years old, and it’s not worth arguing about exact usage; this isn’t an English class. On MM: I was surprised when he was cut, but more just wondering about why they did it, rather than any great feeling for him. It wasn’t necessarily a mistake – he didn’t do special teams, and they may have already planned on bringing in Galloway, Wade and the others, and they may have wanted to give him a chance to hook on with another team, and there may have been some other problem – who knows? Mike probably doesn’t have any regrets, but since I got a little down on current receivers, it occurred to me that it would be nice to have MM back. I.e., in retrospect, it might have been better to have kept him. I don’t know how good he is, but my guess is that he’d make the team (I’d put him ahead of Furrey, Kelly, Galloway, Banks (as a WR) and Hodge, and in a group with Austin, Williams, Wade, Thomas and Armstrong).
Mitchell
Yes, why? I wonder if he said something somebody didn’t like? They brought in like ten receivers, but no big receiver as a big target (unless they thought that MK was the guy, or figured that they would rely on the TEs).
Did you see the other passing TDs by the Vikings in that game? The Rams secondary looked terrible. Plus Mitchell’s TD was so late in the 3rd period it was likely against a few guys who probably won’t even make the team.
I’ll hold off my Mitchell judgment until I see him play in the regular season and against a better secondary.
Rams secondary looked terrible
Good to hear that – we play them 9/26. Chance to see Bradford, too.
Marko's route running and special team limitations seemed have been factors in his release.
MK’s receiving skills in college rather than his injury history has helped him stay on the Team up to this point. MK certainly has
not done enough to prove himself in the NFL.
by Jefferson1935 on Aug 16, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Marko's route running and special team limitations seemed have been factors in his release.
MK’s receiving skills in college rather than his injury history has helped him stay on the Team up to this point. MK certainly has
not done enough to prove himself in the NFL.
by Jefferson1935 on Aug 16, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
My feeling on the WR's
I would love to see 6 wr’s kept.
Moss
Thomas
Williams
Kelly
Banks
Austin/Armstrong
If Kelly can not get healthy, and start to become a contributor, I think I could live with releasing him. This way, I would favor Armstrong, Banks and Austin all making the team.
I am just not in favor of having Joey Galloway on our roster. For one, he is old(how many more years will he likely be able to play). Do we want to cut young talent in favor of a guy who may be able to help us for 1 year?
Second, he’s OLD, and doesn’t play special teams.
Third, did I mention he’s OLD!
This is prob all premature after just one preseason game, but it’s a fun topic to discuss, and definitly something worth watching over the next few weeks.
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I agree with you here
The only issue is I want to keep Austin and Armstrong. Banks should definitely be kept as a return guy, as having speed and dynamic ability is something we’ve lacked for a while. Austin is impressing and I think Armstrong is too. 7 WRs is probably too much and would cause us to lose depth else where, so I definitely could see Kelly being cut.
by BigOLinemen on Aug 15, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Galloway may help this year but we need young guys to get practice reps
I’m fine cutting Galloway and MK
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I doubt Galloway gets cut
But I’m keeping my fingers crossed.
If we add Westbrook and keep Galloway, they cut Austin/Banks, and Torain/Williams I’ll be pissed.
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yes, that would bad IMO
I really hope Westbrook goes elsewhere…….and I would be fine if they cut Galloway and MK
I'm really feeling Westbrook to Denver
Hope i’m right
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I heard that rumor too
but nothing yet to back it up.
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
Actually
The Rams aren’t close to signing Westbrook, according to a team official. Even though the Rams remain a possibility as a landing spot for Westbrook.
But Westbrook is still an option for signing with us according to Shanahan.
I’m not sure how this all plays out, but if I were Westbrook, the Redskins would seem like the most tempting landing spot. Unless there’s a team in play for his services that I don’t know about. But just like everyone else, I’d hate for Westbrook to take up a roster spot from one of the younger players.
I have the same feeling (about cutting the vet receivers)
That’s not to say the old guys are bad receivers. I appreciate them being in training camp and setting a bar for our young guys. But this is a part of the team that needs to develop some youth. And from the flashes we saw Friday night, it looks like we have some fast players ready to step up.
Torain was looking pretty strong too for the running game.Williams was a total surprise because I had heard no hype about him leading up to the first preseason game.
And of course Trent WIlliams looked sharp. Please let the man stay healthy. I have a good feeling about that left side, but we’ll need to see more.
I agree also
I would like for us to have 6 WR’s Moss, DT, Wade, Williams, Austin, and Banks as the return guy…
I just dont see Galloway making the squad nor do i see kelly making it if he cant stay healthy. i agree completely with the 6 WR’s except on the which receivers to keep, i would prefer wade to williams. I think Wade would be great in the slot.
Jkitts84 - I'm close
although I hate to give up Armstrong. I’d keep him over Wade, Williams, and possibly even DT. Don’t know what’s going on with DT. If I had to pick right now, I’d go with Moss, DT, Armstrong, Wade, Austin, and Banks as the return guy. They could keep Williams and put Austin or Armstrong on the practice squad.
I think I'm just as enthused about Galloway Not making this team
as LJP was in favor of Campbell being the next John Elway
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I really can't come up with
a legitimate argument for keeping Galloway. He is on the downward slope of his career while Austin, Banks and Armstrong have nothing but upside. Based on Friday’s game, I say we put all our money on the young guns and let Joey ride off into the sunset.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Somebody needs to tell that to Shanahan.
I say we put all our money on the young guns and let Joey ride off into the sunset.
I STILL WORRY....
While Banks was a HOOT to watch, I still worry what will happen to him when he gets leveled by a defensive back or linebacker….and sooner or later it WILL happen. Someone made a good observation on Friday’s kick coverage…they said the Bills didn’t respect Banks’ speed, so they played their coverage to the inside. Don’t know if that’s true, but NO ONE is going to under estimate his speed now…..
If his primary role is KR/PR then his size isn't important to me.
Might be the least important position to have size at besides like punter or something.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
UNLESS
Might be….unless he gets nailed and knocked out of a game….or worse. LOVE the speed, don’t mind the height….just worry about the bulk….
He played 2 years at KState
so I’m sure he took somr pretty descent shots while he was there. He was also their leading receiver, so he wasn’t just one dimensional.
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He said he only took two real bad hits at Kstate
thats what he said this morning on the sports junkies, he says he uses his quickness to avoid most direct hits
I'd hate to take a descent shot
but I guess any hit that makes you fall is a descent shot right? It is true that he will spend some time injured, but there is some precedent. Darren Sproles, Dante Hall, and Devin Hester are all among, or were among, the smaller players in the league that impacted the game returning the ball and also contribute an occasional game breaking play on offense just because of their speed. Hester and Sproles are listed at 190, Hall 180 so these guys are bigger than Banks but keep in mind they all have put on weight since entering the league because of their size.
by samthemantis on Aug 16, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If he gets knocked out of a game
We have DT and D Hall to return kicks. It’s not like it would cripple us.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 15, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree about Austin and Banks
I also think you’re right on about Westbrook, tiller. Shanahan as already tipped us off about the number of receivers he will keep, it’s six.
I agree with all the comments about wanting to go with the more youthful players, but unfortunately, Shanahan is already tipped his thoughts on this as well; he wants to have a Super Bowl team this year, therefore Galloway and Williams will make the roster. I would not be surprised to see Wade make the roster as well.
Malcolm Kelly will be/needs to be cut very soon, he just cannot stay healthy. Even if he manages to make it into two or three games in the preseason, he is not going to play 16 games, Shanahan knows that, and so we. Another bad VC pick, the whole scouting department knew this, inexcusable.
Here is what I think we will end up with wide receiver: Moss, Galloway, Thomas, Williams, Austin, and Wade….. I really hope I’m wrong on the last one.
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
What I really like about Austin is his ability to change directions at full speed.
combined with the ability to make consistently make catches, I think he has a lot of potential as a slot receiver too. That’s why I think he makes it over Banks.
How about (in order of merit)
(1) Moss, (2) Williams, (3) Armstrong, (4) Wade, (5) Banks, (6) Thomas, (7) Austin (practice squad if Thomas is kept). I’d consider Thomas on the “bubble”, depending on his performance. He had that one nice touchdown, but was otherwise unimpressive. Joe Theisman pointed out one case when Wade could have cut inside for a catch but didn’t. I heard that Wade worked with Grossman in Chicago. I can’t see keeping Galloway or Kelly, and hope they do not get Westbrook.
armstrong and banks in front of DT?
That’s ignorant. Banks, the undrafted rookie who weighs 150 pounds, is on the bubble. Armstrong, who is having a good camp, is on the bubble. Devin Thomas, like it or not, is not going anywhere..
I think we keep Galloway..
purely because we don’t know what McNabb is doing yet. If he signs an extension then Galloway should be cut but if not then we need to milk this year for it’s worth, especially if keeping Galloway has us continuing to play the way we did in our first preseason game.
BTW how does one go about pronouncing delima? (not nitpicking, just thought the word was funny)
by Nobetterthenbob on Aug 15, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions
De Lima. It's how you drink a Corona.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
"If keeping Galloway has us continuing to play the way we did..."
What do you mean? What did Galloway have to do with it (he hardly played)? it was relatively meaningless anyway. But if you’re talking WRs, I would guess that K. Shanahan and McCardell had a lot to do with it. Did somebody use the word dilemma, as in “problem”.
Yes, I spelled Dilemma wrong and got called out for it.
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
You remember...
when Galloway beat his man and McNabb missed him by just a bit? If Galloway proves to be a consistent deep threat we now have a receiver that can take pressure off Moss, something we have struggled to find the better part of the last decade.
by Nobetterthenbob on Aug 15, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Galloway
Right, I forgot. Donovan missed him.
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not
but in anycase we need another player that can play deep and we can’t just wait on Devin Thomas to fit the shoes we give to him or any other young receiver. Now if Galloway goes on to show that he can’t produce or can’t take pressure off of Moss or other receivers then by all means cut him but if I see Galloway beat his man this preseason more than I saw all our receiver beat their men deep last year then I have no problem with keeping him.
by Nobetterthenbob on Aug 16, 2010 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably Austin
because I think he has a future as a receiver and could help us in the slot as early as this year.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Aug 15, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
As awesome as it was to see Banks take it to the house
I will need to see some more nice punt returns this preseason before I take the TD as a one time thing. I really hope that Banks is special and can produce consistently good returns, but I am not convinced after just one amazing play.
by RobtheRedskin on Aug 15, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Banks vs Austin
Austin was the more hearolded prospect coming out of high school. He was one of the top WR/ATH in the country on both Rivals and Scout. He didn’t quite live up to the hype at UCLA. Banks, on the other hand went the JUCO route before ending up at KState.
Overall, Banks had a more productive collegiate career than Austin did. Because thats all I have to go by as of right now, I’d have to lean towards Banks, but that doesn’t mean squat right now.
Personally, I hope they both make the team. If either ends up being cut, some team will sign them ASAP.
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
Do you see them as having trade value?
You did an about face on Banks from some earlier threads.
by Jefferson1935 on Aug 15, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I was never against Banks
I was actually excited to hear we had signed him as an UFA
As for trades, it would never happen. Teams would just simply wait until one was released, then pounce. I also fear if either one is put on our practice squad, that anothe team could come in and sign them away from us.
As for practice squad right now, my guess would be:
Banks or Austin
Keeland Williams
Selvish Capers
Dennis Morris
Jeremy Jarmon(this one may surprise some)
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
Logan Paulsen, TE, is another practice squad candidate.
Maybe the FS, Anderson Russell gets a PS shot. The team needs some other defensive players. The C/G Erik Cook is another PS possibility. The Skins might pick up some defensive line prospects cut by other teams after September 4th for the PS.
Eligible for PS:
Do not have an accrued season of NFL experience (six or more games on a team’s 53-man roster, injured reserve or PUP list), unless they were on the active list (i.e. were dressed to play) for fewer than nine regular season games during their only accrued season(s)
Jarmon may not be eligible for the PS since he played in 11 games in 2009 season.
by Jefferson1935 on Aug 16, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Austin set a bunch of UCLA records while there.
I guess it depends on the hype you were listening to, though.
He never really shined as a WR
He was a good return guy, but never scored a return TD.
Definitly didn’t live up to the hype.
Banks, on the other hand broke KState records for all purpose yards in a single season.
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Banks vs Austin
I don’t know which I’d choose – like to keep them both – but it could be telling that Austin is a plausible WR and special teams player, whereas Banks is only being thought of as a punt returner. If it were me, I’d give him a full tryout at WR to see if he can contribute at all. If he can’t, it would be hard to keep him solely for punt returns. Is he trying out on kickoff returns? Is there any chance of spot duty at RB?
Too early to call yet
Banks looked awesome on the TD return, but the Bills deserve some credit here. That was some of the worst kick coverage I’ve ever seen. They didn’t even look like they were trying to seal the sidelines.
Bored and broke.
did furrey even play on friday?
i would like to see banks make the team. if im not mistaken, shanny kind of let slip out he might keep 6 wide recivers. that is a good sign. i really dont see wade making the squad
Mike Green in regular season- Norris Canadiate. Mike Green in Playoffs- Nowhere to be found
I don't either, but it's early in preseason
i really dont see wade making the squad
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Furrey didn't play on friday
and prob won’t play this week either. He is definitly a long shot to make the team.
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