Warren Sapp Calls Haynesworth Out for Laziness in MNF Game Last Year
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 10, 2010 9:51 AM EDT
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PrintWarren Sapp, now an analyst for NFL Live, shows some damning evidence of Haynesworth exerting less than optimal effort on some key plays last season. In other words, he flat out sucked. Keep this in mind: This game film is from a home game, versus the Cowboys, on Monday Night Football:
Sapp: Let's see what Shanahan is looking at. The first play against the Cowboys...(Hayensworth falls down)...oop! We call that an OG. Own Ground. The second play of the game. A bubble screen...(Haynesworth isn't hustling)...come on Albert! Show me some effort. It's the second play of the game. It's Monday Night Football. This is Cowboys and Indians. Come on! He's still on the ground? JOP. That's what we call...Jump on pile.
4th play of the game...(pass up field)...Ball is still alive Albert! That's called a change of speed my friend. When you have a change of speed four plays into the game, he's out of the game now.
The Cowboys have just entered the red zone. You want all your big weapons out there. Albert's on the bench getting a little water...a little Gatorade. Let's see what Albert's got for us after two plays of leaving. Remind you. Cowboys are in the red zone. (Cowboys run a counter). No bend...no lean, he's not mean. He's not going to the ball. He's not inflicting any punishment on the Cowboys.(next play)
Albert! You recognize anything? Nope. COUNTER! We call that being fooled and deceived. When you're tired you look up, when you peek, you're defeated. All day long. Cowboys scored in 8 plays. Albert's in on 6 out in 2. That's why you have to run the 300 yard shuttle. Mike Shanahan wants to see more because you can't play this game tired, high, and off the field.
I said it before and I'll say it again, Haynesworth has shown nothing from me that he cares about this game or this team. Stuff like this only further validates it. Give me Kedric Golston any day. What do you think?
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Everyone sucked that game.
I’m not making excuses for him, but Zorn didn’t exactly light a fire under many of the players that game. I’m ready to stop talking about Haynesworth until we see some game film of him in the new regime.
Also, he appears to be doing lunges during warm-ups in that picture, not taking a knee. Never played football, did ya Kevin?
I fully know he was doing lunges...just a caption.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 10, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
no need to defend yourself, he’s clearly half-assing that lunge
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by eastcoastatlas on Aug 10, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
it looks like
he started the lunge, but then just decided it was nicer to stay down…
When I see that pic
I see a man who just saw a dozen racks of ribs slide into his view. On your mark! Get set….
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Agree with Sapp
Haynesworth only puts out a strong effort on a few plays. He thinks going all out he will dominate every time and that just isn’t the case. He’s really just a big joke and will be out with an injury by week four.
I never wanted Haynesworth on this team in the first place. last summer when it was looking like we were one of the teams in the running, i wrote emails every day and called the fan line every day saying how stupid it was to pay the inevitable pricetag for a man who only plays 66% of the time, and then only goes hard for about half that time.
i always thought we should use the money that Haynesworth got to sign multiple servicable linemen on both sides of the ball. All i ever want for this team, is youth and depth. youth and depth. youth and depth.
I knew the fall from grace (from a purely on-field standpoint) of AH would be precipitous and fast. Under the age of 27, he was able to dominate on pure size/athleticism ratio, as well as stay relatively healthy due to youthful recovery ability. however, especially with a man that size, the explosiveness as well as youthful body recovery start to go pretty early. that’s not to say that anyone of Albert’s physical profile would drop off as quick, but it requires much more work ethic, caring, and brains than Albert has in order to maintain once you get beyond 28 at that size.
anyways, fuck this guy, i can’t believe someone could take 21mil for a dram job of playing football, then continue to not give a fuck. he must have some serious derpession and apathy issues. what a miserable miserable fuck. how soon can we get him off our Salary cap number? next offseason?
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Aug 10, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
No salary cap next year
I hope you are wrong and AH is seeing the light. Don’t know if he will take off 20% of the plays but his heart, hopefully, will be into it. Methinks if he truly wants to be remembered as a great player, he needs to play his ass off starting this year and dominate. I’m all for it.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
well, i sure hope the salary cap comes back after next year because i love parity (i know this is counterintuitive for a Redskins fan since Dannyboy would surely buy a winner without a cap).
i really don’t think Albert cares about being remembered as a truly great player, and if he does, i think its just a lifelong mental blockage against self-motivation. with each passing year, a football player needs to work harder and harder to stay sharp, a concept which is hard to get for any guy who up to this point has gotten by on pure physical tools and occasionally good footwork.
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Aug 10, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Danny can't buy a winner
First of all, he’s been trying that for years and it hasn’t worked. Second of all, there would need to be no cap for at least 5 years before you could really buy all the big pieces. All the elite players get locked up by their teams in the NFL. Maybe if they knew there would never be a cap again, players wouldn’t resign as readily, but right now, everybody takes the money they know they can get from the team with which they have success.
I Agree
For the sake of the team now and in the future ,If he develops, it’ll be much easier to build a Serious D around him!!
sbredskinsnabb
by sbredskinsnabb on Aug 10, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Has anyone thought about this?
Albert’s salary next year is only $5.4 million with no bonuses…not a lot of motivation there. His next big bonus wouldn’t be til 2013….another $20 mil…and the 2 years after that are big bonuses too.
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not really following you. are you saying he’ll only be motivated when he’s due for big bonuses?
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Aug 10, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Salary next year
Kevin – I don’t quite get your point (?). b86, like other Haynesworth bashers, makes a lot of assumptions about AH’s state of mind, motivation, character, etc, much of which is not supported by anything Albert himself ever said or did. I’m with Scott E and Magic Hat and prefer to be hopeful about his mind-set, and how well he will play. He is a professional football player, and I think he will play his best. But if he doesn’t, Shanahan and Haslett will drop him like a hot potato. Cut him no slap.
I prefer the "Slap"
I also hope that Shanny and Haslett can show Fat Al the light and he turns things around this season, but if not, I hope Haslett does show him what the five fingers said to the face… and then cuts his ass.
He is a professional football player, and I think he will play his best.
I cut him slack all summer while I listened to his teammates say all will be fine at camp when/if he’s in shape…and then he let them down and showed to camp out of shape.
I’m just sick of giving this guy breaks…I’ve always defended his play last year, especially playing more % of the snaps than he did in TN,….but there’s no excuse for not hustling. zippy.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 10, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
especially since it was the first drive of the game
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 10, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I am trusting in Shanny on this one for now....
I haven’t forgiven or forgotten, but he is here and does have the potential to be an asset for the team. I don’t believe for a second that Shanny gives a flip about the name on the jersey or dollar amount of the contract, if he does not get his ass in shape or if he is doggin it in practice he will remain the #2 NT, if he is dogging it in a game Shanny wont hesitate to yank him….I hope.
Cut him no slack
Kevin – I don’t and never did consider you one of the “AH bashers”. I meant that they (the coaches) should not cut him any slack. Shanahan has made it clear – he’s got to earn everything, including being on the first team. In effect, he’s on the sh*t list, and has to work his way off it. Sapp’s analysis was disturbing. I think he will have a great year, but realize he could flop – in which case, he should be benched.
But I also think many of the Haynesworth bashers on HH are far off base in one big way. There are valid questions about his motivation, ambition, work habits, etc, and one might think he is a royal bust as a player and should be cut. But his off-season troubles have been blown far out of proportion. He is no criminal or thug or bad actor as has been alleged in the cases of Vick, Burress, Carruth, or variouls other guys who have been involved in multiple criminal or semi-criminal incidents – repeated behavior that suggests a person just cannot control himself or has no respect for the law or common decency. In short, in my opinion, Albert is not a bad guy, but could be a little dumb, unmotivated, lazy or immature (I say "could be’ – I don’t really know). Since Haynesworth is, arguably, the Redskins best player, I’m 100% behind him. And I don’t see why a Redskins fan would want to tear down one of our best players.
The Redskins must be pretty bad...
if the best player “could be a little dumb, unmotivated, lazy, or immature.”
AH
I shouldn’t have said lazy. I doubt he’s lazy, and motivation goes up and down (just losing all that weight shows considerable commitment, as does doing the test in 66 and 70 seconds). Dumb and immature are matters of degree, and a lot of great athletes would qualify to a degree. I don’t know what kind of a guy he is, and don’t care, but he is not very articulate, and has not mastered the usual jock lingo, but when he does talk, he seems to be pretty reasonable and accommodating. As a player, he is a brutal, dominating force, and sometimes downright awesome. I also remember when he was the only Redskin to come to the aid of D’Angelo Hall when the latter got caught in a melee. – showing a little fight and team spirit. Sapp’s blurb was sobering, but my impression last year was that he went all out – 120% – at times – which was why he sometimes got tired (along with not being in the best shape). By the way, I don’t approve of him missing the OTAs, and he mostly hurt himself, but he had a reason – he wanted to train at home with his trainer, which seems to have paid off. To me, all is forgotten and forgiven, as long as he plays to the best of his ability.
much of which is not supported by anything Albert himself ever said or did.
he took $21 million in bad faith and then shit the bed. that is something Albert himself did.
Character? stomping a dude’s head in a pileup, random babymommas, a bunch of random driving incidents.
Mind-set? clear lack of motivation.
don’t give me this crap about too many assumptions. yeah, i don’t have proof of his mindset, and the salary cap going away kinda offsets what i’m about to say, but he is not worth the money. we could hav signed way more linemen to cover way more snaps and stay way healthier.
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Aug 10, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
of course i wouldn’t turn down the 21million, but my point is that he took the 21million knowing they were switching to a 3-4, and then continued to whine about the defensive scheme and skipped mini-camp. that counts as taking it in bad faith and shitting the bed. of course he’d be retarded to turn down the 21mil, but he’s also being retarded by not making maximum effort to DO HIS JOB after being paid a shitload of money to do so.
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Aug 11, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
we talked about that last year. he was fat and out of shape. can this die already? i dont think MS will leave AH in the game if he is slacking like that this year. and albert will have to play enough to get traded.
by les boulez bomber on Aug 10, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions
AH himself has said he was not pleased with his physical condition last year
That’s why he trained at home. Now he’s lost weight and looks to be in much better shape. Let’s hope that translates into much better play. After seeing the way Shanahan handled him so far (superbly), I think Mike will get the best out of him. And if Albert flops – no mercy. I really like that MS has made it clear that Albert has to play his way back onto the first team.
Now he’s lost weight and looks to be in much better shape
there’s an assumption for you, Mr. Make No Assumptions. just because he trained at home and lost a bit of weight does not mean he’s in better shape. so he dropped a bit of fat, but he tweaks a knee doing a conditioning test? sounds like too much slim-fast and not enough proper muscle conditioning to increase his knee stability.
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Aug 10, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
And I, on the other hand, am completely comfortable making assumptions about Haynesworth’s character based on the following:
-He twice stomped on another player’s head who was lying on the ground with his helmet off (after the play was over) during a football game in ’06.
-He has yet to pay any money to a kid he left paralyzed while driving twice the speed limit weaving through traffic in his lamborghini in an obvious display of aggressive driving.
-He laid on the ground time and time again last year scaring us all that the $100 mil investment was hurt, when in fact he was just winded because he cashed his checks and didn’t get into shape. He consistently sat out of practice because of “owwies” all last season when his actual injured teammates played on. And this year, after cashing a $21 mil check, tried to force a trade, and then came into camp failing a conditioning test that old man Golic completed on the first try w/o practice or training.
-I won’t even get into his pending lawsuits about the stripper he impregnated, his wife’s suit for back child support, or the fact that he owes all back payments on a multi-million dollar small business loan that he never even bothered to make the first payment on.
That sums up Haynesworth to me in a nutshell, and I never wanted him here in the first place either. I screamed bloody murder at the time when we signed him (and all these folks were saying how dominant he was for the 2/3 of plays he managed to make it on the field for).
I screamed bloody murder at the time when we signed him
word on that
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Aug 10, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Preppiejack
All those things can be argued and debated, and I strongly disagree with your analysis, but it’s not worth debating it. No minds will be changed. As Scott said below “…let Al do the playing and hold him to that”. Yes.
Apparently we can debate the instant replays where he stomps on a helpless guy's face?
Or at least I guess that’s what you mean when you say all of these things can be argued or debated…
Maybe you think he had a mosquito on his face, and generous, warm-hearted Haynesworth was just trying to get it off for him with the bottom of his cleats. I guess his busted open forehead was an accident, and the video replays were just utterly deceiving.
I don't know if anybody caught it.....
but Cooley was interviewed on first take today (total fluff piece) and he was asked who was next on the practical joke list (after the kid in the locker trick) and he brought up Albert, I guess he has been taking a lo of ribbing, and Cooley commented “I dunno he’s a lot beigger than me….and mean” Dana Jacobson answered “just on the field right?” Cooley just chuckled and was like “uuhhhh yeah” very sarcastically….was pretty funny.
Cooley joke
Great story. I gotta admit – if I was looking for someone to play a practical joke on, I don’t think I’d pick Albert Haynesworth. Unless maybe he was in a very good mood. Unfortunately, he’s rarely in a very good mood.
Immature
Could it be that he is a big old shy immature whinny grown man.
He may not be a bad guy.I just hope that he accepts the challenge and strives to excel.
Go Skins
sbredskinsnabb
by sbredskinsnabb on Aug 10, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
AH - Could be
although I don’t think he is old or whines much, and may not be shy. Inarticulate for sure. I just hope he is seriously motivated and wants to show he’s still the best.
He has had
documented knee problems for several years now. I pretty much agree with all of your conclusions, but like Donnio I am a total whore to the Redskins when it comes to putting the best talent out on the field whilst continuing to sip the Kool-aid. I mean, I stop short of wanting a Pac Man Jones/Michael Vick on the team, but AH is just a complicated dude and I’m getting tired of overthinking it all. So I’m going sit back and let Al do the playing and hold him to that. Cheers!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Scott E - Well said
You said it better than I could.
I am a total whore to the Redskins when it comes to putting the best talent out on the field
my thing is, regardless of character or lack of motivation or any of the tangential off-field BS, i simply feel that, due to injuries and conditioning problems (which are still there even though he lost some weight), he is not, at this point, the best talent we could be putting on the field. especially for the money it takes to put him on the field.
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Aug 10, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
We are doing so well with this issue I’m beginning to believe Mr. Dan should be opening his wallet and throwing a little cash in our direction. Sounds like a good question for our media star site managers to ask next time they see him. :)
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I will take the team over an individual "talent" anyday.
If he didn’t want to be a team player practicing in the heat and sweat with his teammates simply on the basis of wanting to develop chemistry with teammates in a new system, then I do not want that leech on my team. Give me Golston or Daniels. Teams win games, not overpaid, selfish “talents.”
lol
you can check any game film from last year, he only made plays when the RB ran right at him, or a hole opened up in front of him, other than that he was gassed out on the sideline. He had a great contract year, Snyder jumped at the chance to overpay him and like all overpaid free agents we sign, we suffer after they cash the check. With or without him im sure the defense will be decent and keep us in games.
Weight Loss?????
Did AH lose weight chemically or did he lose weight WORKING OUT.I dont think that he did it working out (i dont).
MS has studied his history and being the Coach that he is he knows what its going to take to get AH matured , less selfish and molded into a TEAM PLAYER who understands the Value and benifits of HARD WORK..
He has not been held accountable in the past…hopefully that is going to change and the SKINS will then be much better .
MS is doing the right things,the ball is in AH’s court..i just hope that he accepts the challenge
sbredskinsnabb
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