Redskins Version of Entourage: Vinny Chase Has Nothing on Joe Gibbs
In Cameron Crowe's coming-of-age story Almost Famous, William Miller is afforded the opportunity to get up close and personal with some of his real-life heroes. He first gains entry into a local concert venue where he comes face to face with the folks who make it happen, and then he gains entry into the industry itself, getting a taste of what it's really all about. The taste was bitter, it was sweet--but above all else, it was real.
Kevin and I have each been channeling our inner-William Miller these days--first the interview with Dan Snyder last week and then the once-in-a-lifetime experience of the Hogs afterparty in Canton. Our reputation preceded us to Ohio, as countless Redskins fans, players and members of the media recognized Hogs Haven as the outlet that scored the sit-down with Snyder. The reaction was varied, with some people just excited that Snyder had decided to open up a little, while others lamented the easygoing nature of the interview.
I have developed a stock answer of sorts for that issue. When pressed on the soft line of questioning--specifcally from journalists and reporters--I had this to say, "Listen, I'm not a professional reporter. I'm in the business of being a fan. And you know what? Business is good!" It's one thing to talk about someone, but an entirely different thing to talk to someone. I've now met Dan Snyder twice, and I have left each experience confronted with the possibility that he might not be as bad as he has been portrayed over the years. That said, it isn't my objective to defend him or to apologize for him for anything he has done over the years (or will do in the future). The same thing is true today that has been true all along: should this franchise get back on track and start winning championships, it will be with Dan Snyder, because he is not going anywhere. The opportunity to represent the fans--in his office--is something we take seriously and look forward to doing again. Here's hoping we get that chance.
As cool as it was to talk with the owner of our favorite team, it simply does not stack up against the experience in Canton, Ohio this past weekend. Having visited the small town two years ago for the induction of Darrell Green and Art Monk, our familiarity with Canton enhanced this particular trip. We stayed at the same Motel 6 as we did the last time (thanks again to Jim Miller, fellow Redskins fan and ardent HH supporter), and we frequented the same bars. We set up shop on the field as we did in 2008, only this time we actually had a show to interview guys like Joe Jacoby and George Starke. But one thing we had this year that we did not have two years ago was a decent chance to attend the afterparty honoring Russ Grimm.
In the formative days of the NFL, there lived a legendary football fan (whose name escapes me) that managed to get himself on the sidelines and locker rooms for some of the biggest games. He would pose as stadium personnel and direct the team bus into the underground garage. He would throw a towel over his shoulder and pretend to be a trainer. I want to say the guy actually helped carry a Super Bowl-winning coach off the field one year. John Madden knew who he was and spoke fondly of him in an NFL Films piece (if anyone remembers this guy's name and wants to share more about him, please do below). Kevin and I pulled off a move that this guy would have surely been proud of this past weekend.
Since we did have media passes to the ceremony, we were able to kind of go wherever after the ceremony ended and we quickly found ourselves stage right where all the Hall of Famers (newly minted and previously enshrined) were milling about. It was insane. Everywhere you looked there were recognizable faces. Joe Montana, Steve Young, Franco Harris, Roger Staubach, Ken Houston...this list is endless of course, and it was complete overload. We had no idea where we were supposed to go for the afterparty and by the looks of the company we were keeping, we were ridiculously out of place. Surely there had to be people whose only job was to keep people like Kevin and I away from these legends. Fortunately for us, those employees were sleeping at the wheel. Just as I was waiting to be yelled at and told to leave, I roll up on none other than Joe Gibbs.
"Coach! Great to see you!" Never underestimate the power of pretending to know someone who meets THOUSANDS of people regularly. You could tell right away that Gibbs had no idea who we were but he was amazing to us anyway (no surprise there). I asked if it would be too much to ask for a picture with him and he graciously obliged. We began to kick up a conversation with him and his Joe Gibbs Racing pilots (the dudes responsible for flying him anywhere and everywhere). I asked them if they were going to the Russ Grimm party.
"Yeah, but I have no idea where it is or how to get there," said Coach Gibbs.
"We also have no clue," I responded. Truer words have never been spoken.
Gibbs began to look around for someone or something and the crowds around this area were finally beginning to break through, causing security to focus 100% of their attention to pushing back the throngs of folks trying to get at the football icons. Kevin and Jim were separated from me, but I decided to stick closely with Gibbs and his two aides, trying desperately to figure out how I was going to pull off the crash of a lifetime. You see, we were technically invited to the Russ Grimm party earlier in the week, but we were not on a single list anywhere. Trust me when I tell you all that our status is cemented--we continue to be Nobody to every Somebody out there! I figured that even with the best of intentions, our chances of getting in to the 5 O'Clock Club were 50/50 at best.
So at this point I am sticking with Gibbs until I get dragged away. The Hall of Fame people quickly roll up with a 3-bench golf cart. Joe and his two pilots hop in the front and middle bench. I turn and yell at the top of my lungs, "Kevin! Jim!" pointing to them to hustle. I then turn to one of the pilots and give him one of those "duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude???" looks. He picked up on it right away.
"Squeeze in guys," were his exact words. It was the rear bench of the golf cart, facing to the rear. It was built for two medium-sized people, though I assure you that in that situation, we could have fit Oprah Winfrey, "Refrigerator" Perry and Mike Williams across that bench. And we were off.
On the ride we discussed Sean Taylor, the seat-cushion game, and the greatness of RFK with Coach Gibbs. Suffice to say there appeared to be three antennas on this golf cart with no radio (to be fair, on Kevin's side it appeared that a toothpick had become somehow lodged to the back of the cart).
When we arrived at the party for #68, Dan Steinberg and Matt Terl were both standing there, almost as if to receive us. With jaws on the ground, Terl said to Steinberg, "Hogs Haven just rolled up with Joe Gibbs."
Steinberg sarcastically replied, "Why wouldn't they?"
Before the cart had even come to a complete stop, the doors to the affair were opened and in we walked. Nobody asked us who we were. Nobody questioned whether or not we were in the right place. We were with Joe Gibbs. THAT was awesome. The best was when the guy at the door looked me up and down, as if to say with his eyes, "You and I both know you are a schmuck, but for $7.50/hr, I am not going to cause a scene."
The rest is history. It will take me years to drop all the names I collected that night. (You can all fairly call me out on that.) In the meantime, thanks again to all the Hogs Haven readers that we met and partied with in Canton. It is all up to Joe Jacoby or even Brian Mitchell at this point to get voted in so we can make the trip again.
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i'm sure you'll tell this story a 1000 times during your life
thats awesome that you rolled in with Gibbs
I'm hoping it will be Chris Hanburger for the next road trip
Either way, looks like a sweet time was had by all. If I see you Friday, I’ll have you autograph my Dom Burgandy T-shirt. Ha!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I think you just suggested the easiest way
to devalue a $15 t-shirt.
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 10, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Only by half! LOL
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Aug 10, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kevin is a bit taller
So I’m going to go with drama
Ken is definitely Lloyd.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 10, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It is absolutely crazy that you were hanging-out at the tailgate as FANS just before the ceremony
then hanging-out with Joe Gibbs after the ceremony. It is really shocking. We were mixing Bloody Mary’s together, drinking beer, and talking Skins just a few hours before this…I guess the crashing thing is why you didn’t mention going to the after party. Damn, I even spent time teaching you how to throw a spiral. I’m still having a hard time believing it!!!
Kevin couldn't stop talking about your hands-on teaching method
He throws a great spiral now but for some reason he takes his pants off before he throws.
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 10, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
so sad that your hands (and feet) are too small to for me to work with
….so gay….you can delete this now.
hahaha
no way. you’re going down on with this ship.
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 10, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
crashing
We were actually invited by the Redskins (after we asked for passes) … but we didn’t get final confirmation until after seeing you at the tailgate. There was no list at the front door and since we were with Gibbs no questions were asked.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 10, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
thats a cool ass story
My cousin and I crashed a RunDMC party once, but we spent most of the time hiding. Yours is the story of lifetime. But I’m betting next time (hopefully for B Mitch and Jake) it won’t be an issue. It seems Hogs Haven has planted its flag right in the middle of all the “professional media” outlets in the area. I hope word of this reached Czaban and Poley.
by CJHutch on Aug 10, 2010 4:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
So glad to hear of your's and Kevin's experience, Ken
and something tells me, especially after landing the Snyder interview, that you both are going to see more air time with the guys at the Park in the future years—congratulations.
I met Joe after he left the team in the early 90’s. I was working, waiting tables in Harrisonburg, which lies along the route 81 corridor. Joe came in with his wife, apparently on his way back home north after a race. He came into the restaurant, and I simply couldn’t believe it.
All those years of watching him on the TV, and here he was in person. Unfortunately, I was working the lounge that night, and he wanted to be seated in the dining room.
I remember telling the (female) manager, “Do you know who THAT is?” When I told her, she said, “And who is that?” because she obviously had never followed football. Doh! my dream of her comping his meal had just been trashed.
Anyway, I could barely see his table over the wall between the lounge and the dining area. During his whole meal kept thinking that I should go and get his autograph or something, but I knew that the action would be pretty crass, since he was enjoying some well-earned time with his wife, out of the spotlight. As they were ending their meal, I got an idea. . .
I grabbed his waiter, and pressed my VISA into his hands, and said, “Don’t you dare let him pay for his meal”.
Joe wanted none of that, but my friend the waiter was a consummate artist, and explained off-the-cuff that, “No, no, no, no….this person doesn’t want to cause a fuss, he just wants to pay for your meal, in thanks to you for your time with the Redskins”.
Next time I peered over the wall, they were gone, but I had the receipt in my hand, and felt that I had done something good for Coach. A few minutes later, as I’m smoozing the clients at some table in the bar, I feel this hand upon my shoulder, and I turn around.
Yeppers, it was the coach, and he asked me if it were I who had paid for his dinner. I mumbled the first words that came into my mind—something like “YES, and I want to have your babies”. (Needless to say I don’t know why those words came into my brain pan, both because I was married at the time, was too old to have babies, and, mostly, because I’m a male)
Joe tells me he wants my address, because he wants to ‘send me something’ in the mail. I hastily scribbled what I thought was my address upon a card, he took it, thanked me again, and left the restaurant.
I walked on air the rest of the night. Visions of a pair of club level seats danced in my head….. perhaps he DID want me to have his baby after all!
What he sent me was a copy of his book, 4th and One, the story of his life, his relationship with his God, and a lot about his failures and accomplishments.
Thus was my brush with the Man, and almost as exciting as your experience….(HEY, I was a WAITER for God’s sake).
So, again, congrats. I think your story is great food for converse here, as I’m sure many others may post of their meetings with Joe upon this string.
by landuin on Aug 10, 2010 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
great story.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 11, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and I missed getting in my question for the Snyder interview on time
But I was wondering something. How much do you think the FO checks up on HH?
I believe one reason Dan granted your interview was that someone in PR actually made him aware of the work that you guys do here. Though I doubt Danny reads it, it’s still a possibility.
Thinking about the organization, I’m sure that he’s got some PR dudes working the internet to see what the fans are thinking/complaining about, and possibly even offering solutions too in respect to the team’s WL column.
I think it would be really interesting to find out to what extent that is true. Surely, Danny boy would never admit to it, but I have a sneaking suspicion that your ‘revolution’ last year reached the ears of the FO, and also, that it had a real impact upon the firing of Vinny.
Be funny to find out the extent of this……
They don't read HH
From our follow up talks, Tony and Dan knew the response was positive, but it’s the lower PR guys that do the grunt work of reading all the websites and reporting up. That one Suisham Super Bowl story I posted, I got some heat for that … so it’s clear the Redskins read this site daily, but not the top of the chain…and understandably, they have tons of stuff to do. They don’t even read Terl’s blog I’m sure.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 11, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the distinction is
that sure, they want feedback and maybe some input, but I believe they are all about a plan now and are working the plan.
Funny you caught heat for the Suisham impersonation. I thought that was classic.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
no way I could keep that story to just friends
I purposely did not Publish the article to syndicators. I guess I should have made it just a FanPost in retrospect.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 11, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow,
Dan is growing as an owner and you continue to grow as a site monitor/manager! LOL
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
It was the assistant PR...slap on the wrist.
And fair enough.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 11, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You have the addy for the Swish'em story?
And I knew the uppers wouldn’t be reading these blogs—too much to do and too full of day-time planners. But, I figured that they had someone keeping the finger on the pulse.
That helps somewhat, knowing that some PR guy has to read all of the whining and moping on the net (sorry, PR guy). Mostly, it helps knowing that someone, besides we fans, reads the posts. I think there are plenty of posts which have great insight, and many that put together stats in ways that, just perchance, the FO never does.
Ken and Kevin, it goes to show you that a little bit of audacity goes a long way.
I enjoyed your story as well as Landuin’s. Like my pappy used to say, “We all put our pants on the same way, one leg at a time.” Joe Gibbs with all his success is still a regular guy.

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