Is Anyone Else Afraid Of Donovan McNabb Only Playing For One Year In Washington?
by Ken Meringolo on Jul 8, 2010 3:26 PM EDT
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When we first made the deal, I was afraid...shit, I was petrified. Wait...I won't let yet another post degrade into a Gloria Gaynor song. (Though the music video of Cake's cover is legit.)
With all the craziness of Lebron's impending announcement, I am freaking out just a little. You have Bosh and Wade being followed around by camera crews documenting their forays into free agency, and now ESPN is packaging an hour special so King James can tell us he is going to Miami? You know he is going to do the whole "hat" thing, which is only fitting since he never got to do the college selection coming out of high school.
Even in the NFL, free agency is bigger than ever. Guys like Karlos Dansby, Julius Peppers, Dunta Robinson and Kyle Vanden Bosch made their rounds this spring and got paid. Between Twitter, Facebook and all the other digital trappings of 2010, when millionaire athletes become free agents, we all get healthy doses of updates, headlines and speculation. The business of just being a free agent is booming. Every athlete in America worth his salt is counting the days until he/she hits the market. McNabb currently has just one year until he would become an unrestricted free agent. By the way, don't even try and argue that "representatives" of teams around the league don't "reach out" to agents and players a year away from free agency to gauge interest levels. It is a joke that everyone was making a fuss out of what time it was on the first day of free agency when we signed Albert Haynesworth. If you're going to tamper, you're not going to wait to tamper a few hours before the deadline. You are going to be tampering all year long. If that is true, then McNabb already has an idea of who might be willing to pay up for him next season. If it is a city he wouldn't mind playing in, why wouldn't he roll the dice and play for a year in D.C. on a one-year deal? Worst-case scenario he gets injured and goes the TV route.
Now, I maintain that my heart would not break if Donovan McNabb stayed for little more than a cup of coffee, if for no better reason than he has made a living out of crapping in my mouth over the years. But he is a bona fide NFL quarterback and today he is a Redskin. Also, we gave up our standard payment of a 2nd rounder plus an additional potentially high future pick. Renting an Eagle for one season at the cost of a 2nd rounder is not even close to worth it. Losing 2nd round picks for any team is bad, but when you have an old team that can barely win 4 games it is catastrophic.
If you were Donovan McNabb and you saw the way free agent athletes of his caliber are treated, you don't think you would be tempted to tell the Redskins, "Thanks for getting me out of Philly, but I am going to go ahead and do my own whirlwind tour of the league next offseason and feel some real love. Don't worry, you'll have an edge in all negotiations."
If I was him, that's what I would do. Healthy or not, as a free agent, there is little doubt at least two teams would have significant interest in him, and two is all it takes. Maybe I am worrying for nothing and the Redskins are currently very close to announcing an extension with Donovan. Maybe the idea that he will be our starter for at least 2-3 seasons is as likely as ever.
Then again, maybe we just got fleeced for yet another 2nd round pick.
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Please don't scare me likes this
I am a Jason Campbell suporter, I would be very upset if we traded him away to the Raiders for nothing, and traded a second and a future third or fourth for his 1 year replacment.
I agree
But the Redskins were absolutely foolish for doing this deal in the first place. They are setting themselves up for a disaster here. The Skins should have insisted that McNabb sign an extension as soon as he arrived , or no deal. The terms should have been worked out before the trade was accepted.
Mark my words… McNabb will play in D.C. for one year, he will be out of town. The Skins are just a stepping stone for him to a team that will actually compete for a ring.
Don’t think there won’t be other teams more than happy to take him off of our hands next offseason. You guys really want to Franchise this over the hill QB, pay him a fortune, just to keep him around ? It’s gotten bad , hasn’t it fellas?
Credit given for someone actually paying attention to this situation. When this deal was done all I heard was, " HOORAY, we have a qb finally. "
Yes, we do. But only for one year. And we lost a second round pick. A very valuable second round pick that we could have used on an impact player that may have played in a Skins jersey for years to come. Not to mention a 4th, or 5th rounder to boot.
Terrible move, Skins. More of the same from this damn team. Reminiscent of Baltimore Oriole trades of years past. Can anyone say, Albert Belle? This deal for McNabb will go down as a huge failure.
"When I wake up now, I don't have breakfast. I try to make something, but it's no good. I just go to Starbucks and eat chocolate." - Alex Ovechkin
by williamhudsonlink on Jul 8, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
D-Mac
If he leads us to the playoffs, it would vindicate the deal, because we might have been stuck with Rex otherwise. I preferred that they gun for Bradford, but D-Mac is probably the best possible guy for this year. And he might re-sign with us. If we had a really good season, why would he want to leave? Getting him was in line with the current strategy of getting (mostly) cheap (due to age or injuries) veterans in an attempt to win now, rather than building for the future. Of course, there is some youth movement, too – Rak, Trent, Jarmon… I hope my guy Colt becomes #2 QB, at least.
Disagree
If he leads us to the playoffs, it would vindicate the deal, because we might have been stuck with Rex otherwise.
1-2 years of making the playoffs without being a contender is pointless.
Temporarily entertaining, but not serving the important goal: building a good franchise.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
+10
Building a good franchise for years to come is the goal. McNabb doesn’t help in the long term, especially if he is one and done.
"When I wake up now, I don't have breakfast. I try to make something, but it's no good. I just go to Starbucks and eat chocolate." - Alex Ovechkin
by williamhudsonlink on Jul 10, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
McNabb has a greater chance of not being a Redskin
because of the impending 2011 lockout, not because he won;t sign a contract here. I think he hasn’t signed yet more because of the lack of a CBA and the lack of knowing how a sizeable 3-year deal would fit under any new cap system that may come about. Also, if the overall percent of revenue that goes to player salary is decreased, the Redskins could sign him to a contract now and then realize that they don;t have enough left over to keep there other players, and they’ll lose people because of that.
I’m not worried that he won’t sign. When have the Redskins not signed anyone that they really wanted?
by ScribbledNotes on Jul 9, 2010 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Sense and sensibility.
Nice perspective. The lack of a CBA throws everything into the dishwasher. Let’s hope it all works out and we come out clean.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I agree
I think the team is taking a wait and see attitude towards extending anyone. Why extend someone when they won’t play in 2011?
We
don’t know for sure that they aren’t playing in 2011. I bet they do. There is too much at stake for a season long strike.
Granted, it could happen. My gut tells me it won’t.
Regardless, the deal for McNabb was foolish with no extension.
"When I wake up now, I don't have breakfast. I try to make something, but it's no good. I just go to Starbucks and eat chocolate." - Alex Ovechkin
by williamhudsonlink on Jul 10, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey now - I was against this move for 100 reasons
When this deal was done all I heard was, " HOORAY, we have a qb finally. "
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
When I first knew about the move
I passed out, so I didn’t make a sound. Besides the thump of my head hitting the floor of course.
ha ha
Hope your dome is feeling better now..
"When I wake up now, I don't have breakfast. I try to make something, but it's no good. I just go to Starbucks and eat chocolate." - Alex Ovechkin
by williamhudsonlink on Jul 10, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
OK
I am generalizing. You know what I was getting at…
"When I wake up now, I don't have breakfast. I try to make something, but it's no good. I just go to Starbucks and eat chocolate." - Alex Ovechkin
by williamhudsonlink on Jul 10, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
respectfully disagree
To the contrary,i think that this happened at exacty the best time possible for both the Skins and for McNabb…He is a legit Pro-Bowl QB. Yes ofcourse his physical skills have decreased!! Nontheless he is still one of the top 5,6,7,8,9 QB’s in the league ,and like ALL older QB’s(including Manning and Brady ) the supporting cast has to be good,better,great….
Can it be suggested that there is more talent on this team than has been shown…can it also be suggested that with the addition of the new Coaching staff and all the New players that this TEAM can do a complete Turn-Around.One thing is for sure ,this Coaching Staff is for real and they mean business….They have a plan and they are WORKING it. And there is MORE to come
McNabb has a lot of experience and a really good set of passing skills…McNabb also knows that he is a Starting QB that wants to spend his remaining few years winning a SB as a REDSKIN
The Skins have been in the process of working out a deal with McNabb.It will happen . This is going to be an exciting team. GO SKINS
sbredskinsnabb
by sbredskinsnabb on Jul 10, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd say he's on the bubble of the top 10
The actually realistic while optimistic view of it for me is that he will be a better fit in this offense and with a strong running game and defense he won’t have to do as much.
by BayAreaBullet on Jul 10, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
McNabb
Although I am a McNabb fan and proably a little biased…I do believe that he is a top QB
Not in Brady or Mannings class. But I think that with a GOOD OL hes qualified to throw 25-30 TDs and 4000 + yards a season.(This Season)
This Off is going to fit him perfectly especially if he has skilled Receivers . All the Good-Great QBs have strong running games (NE has used older RBs for years).
I think that the SKINS potential D this year will compliment their Off.I am looking forward to the next few signees .
Also ,how is McNabb allowed to practice with Chargers WR V.J who is currently under contract to the Chargers ???
sbredskinsnabb
by sbredskinsnabb on Jul 12, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, also keep in mind
Donovan listed the Redskins as one of his teams he wanted to get traded to. That counts for something. I can’t imagine Shanahan wouldn’t first talk to McNabb about exactly this bringing him in.
I’m not worried at all. For once McNabb has an owner that will pay/do anything to get him the weapons he wants.
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Talk me off the ledge Kev
The NBA free agency debacle is freaking me out.
by Ken Meringolo on Jul 8, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If that's not enough
Richard Seymour re-signed with the frickin Raiders as a free agent. Not worried at all. I agree with jeffco01’s stmt as well.
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If I'm not mistaken
Didn’t McNabb say something to the effect of him wanting to stay here for more than one year during his press conference? I’m too lazy to look it up right now.
Yeah, he said that
I don’t want to come off as too gung ho on McNabb…it is the 2nd rounder we gave up that has me all worked up.
by Ken Meringolo on Jul 8, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
We can franchise him as well
He is here for a while.
aren't there restrictions on franchising a player
isn’t their an age limit or am I making that up?
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
that's news to me if so
List of Redskins 2011 free agents:
Rocky, Carlos, Grossman, Santana, Heyer, McNabb. Fast Willie…yea, franchising McNabb would be a no brainer.
Here’s a good trivia question, who was the last player the Redskins franchised?
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Along with Wikipedia. If you wanna know anything sports related, Wikipedia is THE place to go…
McNabb,QB
My hat is off to Coach Andy Reid for being a Man and friend of D.McNabb enough to trade him to a team of his choice . That is real Character .
I think that McNabb sees this as a career ending opportunity. He proably only intends to play until he is no longer qualified to be the starter…2-3 years ?! But most of all He is proud to be a Redskin .He is not broke and knows that his deal will be done in a timely manner.Right now he is dedicating himself to be the best QB possible.He believes in what the Coaches are doing and will do Whatever it takes to Restore this TEAM. He is indeed not perfect but with the RIGHT CAST he still has the skills to take the Skins to the Promised Land ( SB Victory ).
I may be biased , but I strongly feel that D.Mac is starving to avenge his SB loss .He is going to put every effort into this opportunity…If they continue building..adding the right pieces this TEAM may do more than SURPRISE
sbredskinsnabb
by sbredskinsnabb on Jul 8, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he might see Elway, too.
He wants to se where it goes.
Teams of Choice
Do you know of any other teams besides Minnasota that he listed ?
Thanks
sbredskinsnabb
by sbredskinsnabb on Jul 12, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not too worried
I think he is waiting to see what type of deals peyton and brady get. Not saying he is going to command that money but I think he wants a measuring stick. If it comes down to a money war, snyder aint losing.
I think Snyder will do anything
to avoid getting more egg on his face. He’s staring at a potentially huge load with the Haynesworth debacle. No way is he going to take two shots in one (calendar) year if he can avoid it.
You like what I did there?
Three sentences, three references…. That’s economy of language right there
I just noticed this in one of your sentences...
a potentially huge load
HA!
I think “egg” was the wrong 3 lettered word.
I don't see a contract happening this year..
but that’s normal. Look at Brady and Manning. Nobody wants to sign a big contract this year, because they are waiting to see what happens next year with regards to the C.B.A. I firmly believe that when the dust settles on that, you will see the big contracts roll out.
I have heard rumors that McNabb is waiting for Brady and Manning to sign before he does
Which is fine by me, though if I was Snyder, that would scare the crap out of me.
by Ken Meringolo on Jul 8, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps the Skins are also waiting for Brady and Manning signings.
It is the slotting sort of notion in reverse, i.e., signing the players with the higher salary before the lower ones.
Incidentally, the first 2nd round pick in the 2010 draft has signed. 61.New York Jets Vladimir Ducasse – OT/G – 4 years $3.25 million contract, < $1M signing bonus – http://www.walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?18052-2010-Draft-Signings.
by Jefferson1935 on Jul 8, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't the Skins re-do his contract this year and load it up with likely to be earned incentive bonuses
and have them applied to this year (uncapped)? That would be best if they are allowed to do it. Anyone know if that is possible?
If he destroys dallas week 1
Give him Peyton money!!!!!
He’s too long in the tooth to want to start over in a new town two years in a row. He’s also got a great coaching staff and an owner that even though some of his moves are flawed that will pony up whatever it takes to make the team competitive. He may not get a ring, but the only place that may be more attractive next season based on the QB situation would be MIN. Everyone else has their franchise QB or is so bad that it would be a huge step backwards.
by It's Always Sunny in DC on Jul 8, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions
Speaking of Minesota...
they have an older QB who started over with 2 teams in 2 years…..just saying
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Jul 10, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
the main difference being...
Brett’s intention was to try to get to Minn from the beginning…he never had any intention of staying NY, thats why he was so distant with the players there, this was/is obviously not the case in Minn.
Jeebus
talking without having my B&G colored glasses on, this scares the crap out of me.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Any bets on where LeBron goes?
My money’s on the Nets. Double down that he unveils the new RoccaWear jerseys at the press conference.
usweekly broke/reported LBJ reserved 6 cabanas at the W Hotel pool/club for saturday night
i had Nets as well…
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Sorry..LBJ
MIAMI or cleveland
sbredskinsnabb
by sbredskinsnabb on Jul 8, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what I'm thinking too
It would be the douchiest douchebag move ever if he ends up staying in Cleveland after everything he and ESPN has done to the sports world the past month.
where's the press conference being held?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Somewhere in Connecticut
Which made the Knicks fans wet their pants, but “sources” say that he was there because of Carmelo Anthony’s wedding, and other “sources” say he’s there because of the company that is holding the whole shebang. I don’t know what “sources” to believe at this point.
I hope he goes to Chicago.
And never wins a championship and spends the rest of his career stuck in MJ’s shadow. Fuck his diva ass. Just pick a team jerkoff.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Jul 8, 2010 5:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LeBron
CNBC is saying it’s Miami, but that’s not confirmed.
Not as concerned about McNabb.
Yes, like that we have him and if we have him for several years great, but the bi-product of getting him is a lot more important to me. We now have gone out and picked up two tackles that if they work out the way we hope, two Pro bowl caliber Tackles make almost all QBs better. We did that because we had to protect McNabb. Don’t know if we make the trade if McNabb is not here.
Not too worried
How often do franchise-caliber NFL QBs switch teams as UFAs? It’s not like the NBA, where a player like LeBron is guaranteed to dominate wherever he goes. When QBs switch teams, there’s always uncertainty about how they’ll perform compared to their old team, because it’s hard to tell how much of the performance was because of the QB and how much was because of everything else. Sometimes you get good surprises (Brett Favre) and but more often bad ones (Matt Cassell, Jay Cutler). That’s big name QBs don’t sign with other teams that often, their current team is more sure they will keep performing at a high level than any other team is, so they’re willing to beat anyone else’s offer.
Bored and broke.
Of course that's all assuming he performs reasonably well next season
If he doesn’t, anything could happen. I know basing things on next season has no impact on him being signed before this year starts, I was talking more about the chance of him playing here for just one year.
Bored and broke.
Cutler
Watch him this year – the Bears could be really tough this year.
Bears....
6 and 10, Smith will be fired…‘10 bears are making exactly the same mistakes that we’ve made the last 10 years.
I bet they split with Detroit this year for their only division win.
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Jul 10, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bears
Well, we’ll see. Cutler to Johnny Knox will be fun to watch. They’re in a tough division, but I’ll guess 10-6. We play at Chicago – a tough game.
Wait a second....
Didn’t I say EXACTLY THIS when we traded for McNabb? And wasn’t I loudly proclaimed to be a Cassandra? At this point, it’s too late. We have no QBs on the roster capable of doing garbage with except McNabb. I’m no Jimmy Clausen fan but…. couldn’t we have gotten him for the Second Rounder that we gave up for McNabb? And kept our 3rd or fourth next year? And kept JC to train his future replacement one year?
Moot now, of course. But in hind sight, and thinking of McNabb NOT reupping…..
The Cassandra Proclamation!!!!!!
all I know is whenever I read his posts I start thinking about the Black Sabbath drummer and lose my focus. (imagine that!!)
Hey, what ever gets you through the night.
It’s alright. It’s alright.
Yeah, I know, not Black Sabbath, but…..
great song though....
the reason I mentioned in the first place (if you weren’t aware) Black Sabbath’s drummer is , in fact, Bill Ward
You were a Cassandra way before McNabb came to DC
No you weren’t, I’m just Cassie’in you
Bored and broke.
Clausen is a pile of fecal matter.
We had no shot at Bradford. The rest weren’t worth the risk, when McNabb could be had. He’s an injury risk, but not a performance risk. I think he’ll sign a three year deal. I wouldn’t be all that surprised to see a QB drafted in the first two rounds this next year as a QB of the future. If not this next draft, then definitely the one after that. This QB will be learning from McNabb, not Campbell, which I think we can all agree is an upgrade as far as bringing along a younger QB.
But let’s say worse case scenario, McNabb doesn’t sign and next draft rolls around. You’ll have a very nice selection of QBs to choose from, and the ammo to go get the one you feel you need. Christian Ponder, Jake Locker, Ryan Mallet, Andrew Luck. We draft one (my money’s on Ponder), let unSexy Rexy start a few games, then give the kid the keys and hope we got a Matt Ryan instead of a Ryan Leaf.
The sky isn’t falling. McNabb WILL sign, but even if he doesn’t, we aren’t totally hosed.
I don't think McNabb would like that
He doesn’t like QBs drafted to potentially take over for him. Remember, he got pissed when Kolb got drafted. He got mad when Garcia (someone who has enough skill to be dangerous) started doing well when he was out. I don’t think McNabb wants to share the QB spotlight with anyone. I don’t think he saw Vick as a threat, so before anyone throws his name out there, I would say that Vick was a non-factor in McNabb’s eyes.
D-Mac contract
I really wanted Bradford in the draft, and maybe even Claussen, but I’m happy with McNabb, and am not worried about his tenure. If he does well, Snyder will keep him (unless, as I’ve speculated before, Dan has been stung by past disasters and gone too far the other way – gotten very very cheap). If we lose D-Mac, we can try to draft a good rookie next year, or hope Colt or Rex steps up. Remember, there might not be a 2011 season, so I don’t see “going ape” on anybody right now.
I think we will have a season 2011....
it is in everybody’s best interest, and you know, with deals like this its an 11th hour league, somebody will blink as the clock is winding down. I think we are moving in the right direction and Dan has to feel that, while he might have taken a temporary 180 financially, as things progress he will loosen the purse strings again (if that was the case at all) ….I just hope he keeps his distance when it comes to making decisions. I like the Mc Nabb pick only because we were not ready to pick a QB first just yet, next year maybe. I would have preferred Mc Coy to Clausen. I think we will be competitive, I think Donovan will sign a new deal, and we just might be OK…..with or without TO or Big Al……and there is no way I see the Miami Heat winning a championship this year.
2011 season
Magic – totally agree. On the season, with so much money at stake, you’d think they could get a deal. But if the owners keep their TV deal, and they really cannot afford to keep paying out 60%, they could figure that the limited (because of TV money) 2011 loss would be more than offset by long term benefits. If that was the case, the players would likely have to give up something – they’d have far more to lose.
hey its all out of control anyway....
the numbers are astronomical….just for perspective I looked up the NFL MVP for the year I was born (I’m 40) …in 1969 NFL MVP Roman Gabriel made $25,000 ….I know its a different time and a different business, but this does not bode well for many of us fans, the “regular guy” is not going to be able to buy season tickets in 5 years, hell the “regular guy” can’t afford them now. Basketball and baseball can afford “prima donnas” in their game, football is inherently different and the game has begun to suffer for it…….. great food, good beer, amazing women, and serious football is all I need in this life. (not necessarily in that order).
Lockout possibility
Interestingly, the owners sound reasonable, conciliatory, hopeful, whereas the players’ rep sounds strident, confrontational, pessimistic, often impugning the motives and honesty of the owners (where did they get that guy?). Sounds like the owners “speak softly but carry a big stick”, the players are loud and nasty but don’t carry any stick. If the TV deal holds (any news on that?), the owners probably have the power to force a deal they can live with. As you suggest, the players are doing great and will do even better under any proposed deal (since there’s more money), so they ought to give some ground. Some benefits, like the medical care and health care plans, should be simple to do. I just hope the two sides, especially the union, act rationally. The players would certainly lose more than the owners if there was a lockout.
If he did leave
Wouldn’t we be stuck with Grossman? I don’t like that option.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
If D-Mac left
There would still be some options – like my guy Colt Brennan, but also rookies from the 2011 draft, and, of course, trades, and there is Bartels. Dan’s money could get somebody decent. And, at risk of getting hooted off the board – Rex Grossman could be a serviceable QB; he was good enough to get the Bears to the Super Bowl, and he is older and wiser now and working in a good system.
Snyder wont be outbid for McNabb
The bigger worry is how badly he holds us over the barrel and what kind of potentially outrageous contract we have to give him.
D-Mac's extension
You know, there ought to be a limit. They could rely on a first round QB in the draft if Donovan asks too much. At his age, he keeps getting worth less and less, and at some time the team should think about the future. Go with Colt or Rex until the rookie can hack it. There is some chance that Dan has gotten sort of cheap, put a cap on Allen, and, if so, they might just let Donovan go. At a minimum, just play tough, willing to lose him.
What r we feared of....
I have to think that the Redskins know that they’ve got a 5 time Pro-Bowl QB…one who narrowly lost a SB game to NE.
The guy is one of the best possible buys for the $$$ that a team like the Redskins could have hoped for. From the onset the Skins knew / know what price range he’s in.
Not completely comparing him to Brett…but IF he had an equal supporting cast..he can take this TEAM to and WIN the SB..The Skins are putting a WINNING TEAM together …right now!!
With several more GOOD / BETTER pieces The Skins will B really Good….They were not a REAL bad team last year..They lost some games but they never got PUNKED (several of the BIG reasons why they lost are gone) many changes have and are taking place which will absolutely make this group a TEAM ran by a 100% better Coaching staff.
If AH comes to his senses, he’ll realize that something BIG is happening and that he can be a major part of this success. With him on board this D will beat up some folks = Off. field position…
McNabb is qualified to lead this TEAM where its longing to go..McNabb and the Skins are lucky to find each other at this time..this thing is going to work out….LOOK FOWARD
Go Skins
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