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Is Andy Reid to Blame for Donovan McNabb's Shortcomings?

Judge Sonny Jurgensen presiding.

JimmyK has been a writer over at BGN I've come to enjoy. Despite being an Eagles fan, he knows his stuff and his vigilant research shows in the quality of his posts. Ken and I agreed to "go on trial" with him having to defend ourselves as Redskins fans. (That defense coming shortly). Well, we decided to counter-sue JimmyK in return. As Eagles fans, they've taken the easy route out blaming McNabb for their lack of Super Bowls, when clearly, Andy Reid's play-calling has been a huge factor (pun intended), and I have loads of damning facts to prove it.

Please rise for the honorable, Sonny Jurgensen. JimmyK, you stand trial for the charges of aiding and abetting embedding a criminal play-caller, Andy Reid. How do you plead?

JimmyK: Not guilty, and I'd like to request a new judge.

Hogs Haven: Your honor, JimmyK is not an attractive guy. Don't hold that against him. What you do need to hold against him is his cover-up for Andy Reid, who's play-calling has single-handedly buried the reputation of my client, Donovan McNabb and is the SOLE reason for the Eagles repetitive failures. Donovan McNabb led the Eagles to 5 NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl, and all the blame falls square on him. Why should it? My client is the ALL TIME leading Quarterback with the lowest interception %. And this comes from a play-caller who throws the ball nearly 60% of the time. 
 
For my first witness, I'd like to read a statement from one of the most respected experts in the field today, the 2010 Football Outsiders' Almanac:

"McNabb and Kolb's down-by-down performances closely mirrored each other, which suggests that the problem was schematic rather than simply poor execution by the quarterback...Last season, Philadelphia only ran the ball 301 times, easily the lowest total in the NFL. Between 2006 and 2008, the Eagles generally ran the ball around 355 times a season, give or take a carry."

It's much easier to defend a passing play when you know it's coming. So, when did Reid run the ball? Let's go to last year's LOSS vs Oakland (a team that the Jim Zorn Redskins destroyed). In 60 total play calls, the Eagles ran the ball a measly 14 times....against the 28th ranked defense in the league. That's borderline mental retardation.

 

Star-divide

Then there's the 2008, 36-31 loss versus the Giants. The Giants had shut down Westbrook all game, yet Reid decides to run Westbrook two consecutive times, one of which is the last play of the game. Horrible.
 
In 2006, the season was saved by giving Morningwheg play calling duties and with Jeff Garcia turned around the season. Why did they turn it around? Jeff Garcia is not a Tom Brady. The Eagles instead ran the ball more, which resulted in a more balanced offense.

As my closing argument, here's a poll posted by JimmyK's own Bleeding Green Nation, and 82% of fans disapproved of Reid and that the Eagles were headed in the wrong direction. The truth of the matter is, Eagles fans detest Reid's play-calling but they defend it only because they're stuck with it.

The prosecution seeks the death penalty.

JimmyK's rebuttal:
 
Reid certainly isn't without his faults, and I'll even pile on a few gripes of my own...
 
-          He's horrible with clock management.

-          As you noted, he has been known to completely abandon the running game if the Eagles are behind (your Raiders example being perhaps the most glaring piece of evidence, along with the infamous Bengals game in '08 in which McNabb didn't know the NFL had overtime).

-          And far too often I find myself screaming "No Andy! It's not worth it!" anytime I see him with his hand near the challenge flag with a puzzled look on his face after a questionable call that really only cost the Eagles 3 or 4 yards.
 
However, Reid's an outstanding game-planner.  Reid and Sean Payton are the 2 offensive-minded NFL coaches that really excel in game preparation, as both coaches have an uncanny ability to create mismatches for the defense.  Furthermore, Reid really is an innovative play-caller 95% of the time (when they're not completely abandoning the run), and his reign as essentially the unofficial GM of the Eagles has been spectacular.  His record kind of speaks for itself - He's 108-67-1 (.617).
 
As for McNabb, your point that he often gets all the blame for those playoff losses is well taken, and that's totally unfair to McNabb.  However, I'll argue that he absolutely laid more than his share of eggs in big spots.  A quick rundown of the Eagles' playoff losses of the past decade...
 
-          2009 - Loss to Dallas 34-14.  A big round bowl of blame for everybody - McNabb was bad, Reid was outcoached, and the defense stunk. McNabb adds insult to injury with his false confidence pre-game air guitar...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_1My5nIRFQ&annotation_id=annotation_549956&feature=iv
 
-          2008 - Loss to Arizona 32-25.  The biggest offender in this one was the defense in the first half.  Credit to McNabb for bringing the team back in this one - He played well.  However, the one image that really stands out in my mind from this game was on the final Eagles drive, McNabb threw a ball about 2 yards behind a wiiiide open Hank Baskett who was streaking, er, running as hard as Hank Baskett can, across the middle.  It would have gone for big yardage, and McNabb just flat-out missed him... badly. Solid game overall for Donny in this one, but he failed to make an easy play on the potential game-tying drive, and they meekly went 4-and-out to end it.
 
-          2004 - The Super Bowl - Loss to New England 24-21 - Big yardage, but 2 really bad, game-changing interceptions (I'll forgive his 3rd pick, which occurred in desperation time).  Here's my problem with this game - The Eagles were down 10, had the ball and were starting a drive with a little less than 6 minutes left from their own 21, and McNabb is conducting a 2-minute drill with the urgency of a DMV employee.  This is of course the drive Terrell Owens referred to when he said "I wasn't the one that got tired in the Super Bowl."
 
-          2003 - Loss to the Panthers 14-3 - McNabb was flat-out terrible in this one - 10-22, 100 yards, 0 TD, 3 INT.
 
-          2002 - Loss to the Bucs 27-10 - McNabb was bad in this one, too. 26-49, 243 yards (4.96 yards per attempt), 0 TD, and an atrocious pick 6 to Ronde Barber.
 
-          2001 and 2000 - Losses to the Rams 29-24 and Giants 20-10 - The Eagles (at this point a team on the rise) lose to a couple teams (the Rams and Giants) that were far better. McNabb doesn't play well in either of them.
 
That's 7 playoff losses, and only one where McNabb had a good game.
 
A few other notes...
 
-          Regarding McNabb's lowest INT % of all time, I think Aaron Rodgers, David Garrard, and Neil O'Donnell might have something to say about that... http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_perc_career.htm.  If you'll also note, 2 guys that are tied for 5th on that list - Jason Campbell and Mark Brunell.  I think you guys might be a little bit familiar with them.
 
-          In 2006, I'm not sure I'd say "Marty Mornhinweg saved the season," and that aside, I find it curious that you would even dare bring up the 2006 season, when the Eagles became a better team after McNabb got injured, which kind of makes your client look bad.  I know you're a Bill Simmons fan - A little Ewing Theory action going on there?
 
-          Nice find on that poll from Nov. 11, 2008.  I thought for sure that was going to be after the infamous Cincinnati tie, which again, was the game that revealed that McNabb didn't know the NFL had overtime.  But when I checked, it was after the 36-31 Giants game you referenced, and the Eagles had actually won the prior 3 games before that.  Maybe we Eagles fans are a little more fickle than I think.
 
-          Good job by you not taking a hackneyed shot Andy Reid's kids.
 
Anyway, I'll sum it up like this - Lots of blame to go around for those crushing playoff losses... Give some to McNabb, give some to Reid, give some to the defense, etc.  Nobody is immune.  I'm a huge McNabb fan and always will be, but if I were to single out the one guy that perhaps came up smaller than the rest, it's McNabb.

As a counter, I told Jimmy:

You actually did a better job agreeing with me than defending yourself: "The Eagles had actually won the prior 3 games before that poll.  Maybe we Eagles fans are a little more fickle than I think."

So, a good fact correction by Jimmy. McNabb was the least intercepted QB of all-time following the 2008 season. As for his statement, "I find it curious that you would even dare bring up the 2006 season, when the Eagles became a better team after McNabb got injured, which kind of makes your client look bad." I clearly stated that the Eagles rushed the ball a lot more with Garcia under center, which of course opens up the passing game and makes things much easier for the QB. Garcia had the luxury of a balanced attack, which McNabb did not.

Also, most of his defense hinges on the early 2000s. I don't see how the Eagles won't have the same problem as they did last year where you're a 9-6ish team and lose a couple bad games because of Reid. When you do post that, you KNOW I'll be all over it with a big ole grin.

JimmyK's response: Since I had an opportunity to look at the pass/run call percentage in the 8 games Jeff Garcia played in 2006, and as I kind of suspected...(Drumroll)...59.3% pass - ie, not really any different.

Interesting. I based a lot of my arguments from the comments on that BGN poll, so it appears Iggles fans know as much about the Eagles as I do. That stat should be enough to avoid JimmyK a life sentence. Win!

What do all the HH readers think? Guily or innoncent?

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JimmyK, you stand trial for the charges of aiding and embedding ABETTING a criminal play-caller

jeez, aren’t you guys professional writers? shouldn’t you have a better vocabulary than a 24 year old financial analyst? it’s not a good look. although from the number of instances of that mistake i found on a quick google search, a lot of people likely won’t catch it.

i don’t get on people for random spelling errors, capitals, or punctuation, but screwing up a whole phrase? that you’ve probably thought you had correct for years? damn.

it’s like my dumbass roommate who thought ‘Pay-Per-View’ was ‘Paper View’ until a couple weeks ago. people don’t even think about the meanings of the words they use, they just hear shit, and use it.

a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon

by eastcoastatlas on Jul 26, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Someone’s got their panties in a bunch…

by travisjh86 on Jul 26, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

dooley noted

Professional writers have the luxury of editors…either way, def should have caught that as I do know the difference. Hopefully we can steer the comments back to the discussion at hand.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 26, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i could have just pointed it out and moved on. coffee’s still not fully kicked in

a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon

by eastcoastatlas on Jul 26, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

no worries...

I’m very critical of grammar, so only fair I get it back when I F it up.

Hogs Haven. On Twitter. And Facebook.

by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 26, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, i don’t have a whole lot to say about the article, other than that i think we can agree that Southeastern Penisveinians are an irrational, ungrateful people.

a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon

by eastcoastatlas on Jul 26, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

no we aren’t- this is so over done. The Asshole with the loudest voice is the one that gets heard. Most Eagles fans share Jimmyk’s opinion, like myself.
If your going to point out areas, lets look at MD. I have lived here for about 10 months now… The football fans around here are laughable. They are Skins/ Ravens fans, or “I’ll watch the skins when they start wining”, or even better- Steelers fans….
Philly has had countless upsetting seasons, but at the end of the day we love our Birds….

"I don't have to worry about the Washington Redskins, I have to worry about the Philadelphia Eagles."- Andy Reid

by MeanGreen5 on Jul 26, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

"The Asshole with the loudest voice is the one that gets heard"

Doesn’t mean that asshole is righ5t. It just means that is louder when he’s wrong. Typical philly fan…

by monk81 on Jul 26, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

allow me

typical skins fan…spelling like a 5 year old. well played sir

by monk81 on Jul 26, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was my point…. That- Eagles fans get a bad wrap because the media blows things out of proportion. A few bad apples (loud ass holes) booed McNabb, a few classless people hated him throughout his tenure in Philly. you get that in every city. Instead of labeling South East PA as irational I would say we are pationate…
Dont get caught up in the hype. Go to BGN and you will get rational coversation by all walks of life from SEPA. Go to a Bar in Chester PA wearing a skins jersey and yeah your gonna hear some shit…. Regaurdless your going to find what your looking for- bottom line, dont attack the fans

"I don't have to worry about the Washington Redskins, I have to worry about the Philadelphia Eagles."- Andy Reid

by MeanGreen5 on Jul 26, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don’t really have a strong opinion about this. it was a playful jab and an excuse to use the word “Penisveinia.” i don’t have an ingrained stereotype in my head of all philly people being nutjob-asshole-take-this-shit-way-too-seriously-type-fans, however you do have a slightly higher percentage than most cities. chill out max it relax it all cool. at least you aint a west coast hippie (Yay for more generalizations)

a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon

by eastcoastatlas on Jul 26, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

dont attack the fans

Then what is this?

If your going to point out areas, lets look at MD. I have lived here for about 10 months now… The football fans around here are laughable.They are Skins/ Ravens fans, or "I’ll watch the skins when they start wining", or even better- Steelers fans….
Philly has had countless upsetting seasons, but at the end of the day we love our Birds….

I have lived in Northern Virginia my entire life and worked in Rockville, MD for the past 4 years. I don’t find much laughable with any of the sports fans I hang around with? I don’t know a single Redskins fan that is characterized by what you said, doesn’t mean some are out there, doesn’t mean there aren’t some out there that are Eagles fans. And Steelers fans are all over the nation, you can go anywhere and find fans of any team. DC is a melting pot because alot of people move here from other areas. Of course there are going to be people representing your team that is a dumb ass and just talks about what he saw on sports center, but every team has those, even your oh so loyal philly fans. I don’t know if you’re trying to say that people around here are Redskins and Ravens fans, but I don’t know a single person that is a fan of both.

The Redskins have one of the most loyal fanbases in the NFL and if you’re trying to infer that the majority of Redskins fans are bandwagoners or only watch when they are winning then you haven’t been paying attention much over the past 10 years of sold out games to a mediocre or failing, unsuccessful Redskins team.

by travisjh86 on Jul 27, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was making a point that anyone can be judgmental and blow things out of proportion twards a rivals teams fans. As Eagles fans we hear about it all the time. Granted Im on the wrong blog to get upset about it- I just thought it was the right situation to bring it up. And being that I grew up in Philly , was moved to Pittsburgh and now just moved to MD- I havent been surrounded by supporters to make me any less jumpy

"I don't have to worry about the Washington Redskins, I have to worry about the Philadelphia Eagles."- Andy Reid

by MeanGreen5 on Jul 28, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

and i’m bout to be a real asshole, but it’s “duly noted.” just noticed that.

as in, it is noted in a manner that was due.

smack me now

a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon

by eastcoastatlas on Jul 26, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice, was kinda hoping so, but took the bait anyway

a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon

by eastcoastatlas on Jul 26, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

b86

Big deal. This isn’t the WP. It’s a fan’s blog. Chill out.

by Croftonpost on Jul 26, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Baloney

How many times have we heard the guys in the booth say that a swing pass to Westbrook is just like a running play. NOT! Of course Reid throws the ball too much and if he doesn’t change that approach the Eagles are not going to win a Super Bowl. On the bright side it leaves us with a fantastic cheer on Sundays. 1960! 1960! 1960!

by Croftonpost on Jul 26, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Guilty 100%

of being an Eagles fan! He really loses with that fact looming over his head.

by h money on Jul 26, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I believe we should reduce his charges from aiding and abetting a criminal play-caller to conspiracy to permit criminal play-calling, and conspiracy to permit criminal clock managment. His sentence shall be 10 years as a st.louis rams season ticket holder.

by lynxtheone on Jul 26, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Andy Reid seems to be put on the hot spot every year by fans....

What week do they call for this head this year?? I’m guessing week 4 vs the Niners.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 26, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

All in all,

Good topic and points of debate. Not really all hepped up on the “mock trial” format. Seems a bit useless and even a little forced.

Could it be we are in for a real treat as Redskins fans? Not only do we have a legit QB by most comparisons, but we might actually be able to expect even better than what D-Mac delivered under Reid due to an improved scheme and better play calling with the Shannyies.
Tap another Kool-aid barrel!

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jul 26, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Uh oh.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Jul 26, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

But, like OJ, still found liable in civil court for the death of the Iggles’ Superbowl hopes in the decade

Bored and broke.

by ThaRak on Jul 27, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

…and kidnapping. Oops, wrong picture to post.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jul 27, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Giant hands

Sonny’s hands seem HUGE compared to his head. :D

by BAFGA on Jul 26, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Guilty.

Sentenced to death by draw and ordered to be quartered and posted on display on the corners of the District for all other non-Redskins fans to see and fear.

by TheOverLordMarshl on Jul 26, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Lets have Death

by firing squad and line up a group dressed as Santa Claus and armed with snowballs….

by h money on Jul 26, 2010 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Guilty

Punishment should be life with T.O. and the installation of Zorn as their offensive coordinator.

Hip Hip HOORAY!

by gopens44 on Jul 26, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

i think we will run a different offense and i m not sure what we will get. i think he will be fine- read, not the problem. but i have seen mcnabb regularly make horrible routine throws and many somehow they get caught bombs. hey, that reminds me of mark rypien! and we won a SB with him!

we have legitimate offensive line concerns, which DM can not overcome if they stink. and questions at both RB and WR.

by les boulez bomber on Jul 26, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll put him on a Burgandy Drank dip

He’ll be fine. :)

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jul 26, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

*drip

Sheesh!

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jul 26, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Campbell and Mark Brunell. I think you guys might be a little bit familiar with them.

Hmm. Jason… Campbell is it? Like the soup? Brun-ELL? BROO-nul? I’m not sure…

Nope, never heard of them.

Playing Devils' advocate since 1982.

by elesias on Jul 27, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I think our general feeling over the years that McNabb and Reid can hurt each other almost as much as they help each other. There’s days when McNabb is just bad and just can’t hit a WR on a simple crossing route (don’t worry, you’ll see one of these inexplicable weeks) and rather than help him out, Andy goes with the ’keep firing" philosophy that McNabb will throw his way out of a slump. If anything, he runs less when his QB is struggling. That would be a great plan… in the bizarro world.

But then again, Andy runs a rhythm offense based on timing and letting WRs get YAC. McNabb will hold onto the ball too long or throw behind a WR. It’s great that McNabb rarely throws picks, but it’s frustrating when he’s gun shy about throwing into a tight window or to single coverage.

While you can’t say that they’ve been bad for one another when you look at the success they’ve enjoyed… you can say they both are guilty of letting each other down at certain times.

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by JasonB on Aug 2, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

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