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Domonique Foxworth Talks CBA and Mike Shanahan

After meeting with DeMaurice Smith, the NFLPA took us over to Capital Hill where we got a chance to talk to several players and get their take on everything. First up is Domonique Foxworth, who was drafted by Shanahan in 2005, had a brief stint in Atlanta, and is now with the Ravens. He highlighted an important part of a potential lockout is how much these cities depend on sports. It's not just the players that get locked out - it's also the workers that depend on those jobs and in some cases it's an entire city. He said the owners are very divided on the subject stating, "There's a side that wants to play football and a side that wants to make the most money possible."

Regarding rookie salaries:

"I don't support the rookie wage scale. It should be paid by potential. If a team believes their potential is so high, then that's what they should get paid. If a guy has a Pro Bowl season and you get hurt at the end of the season, they're not going to say, 'Well, you played for us last year, let's go ahead and kick some back you.' It just doesn't work that way."

I then asked, "Wouldn't you want to see more money go to the guys that have been doing that grind versus a rookie getting a $50 million paycheck? At least knock that down to like $20 mil?"

We had a meeting with the NFL about that. They voiced their concerns and wanted more money to go to those veterans. We said we'd agree to it if you can guarantee all that money would go to the veteran players. And they said, "We're not willing to make that guarantee." The rookie wage scale in all honesty is something they're using...smoke and mirrors.

(It does sort of make sense. The lifespan of a NFL player is much shorter than that of a NBA player...why not get as much cash upfront?) So I asked next, "You don't think the NBA wage scale works?"

Star-divide

It works, but they have the Larry Bird exemption. So those players turn out to be tremendous players but they're up for free agency a lot sooner and there's no path for the player. We all saw it with Lebron. I'm not speaking as a rep for the NFLPA, only what I think. I think players should be paid on potential. The onus falls on the General Managers and the player personnel staff to make the right decisions. In most cases they get steals.

Look at what Jamarcus did though?

There's always a bad apple. Look at how many late round guys pan out, though. The young guys have basically been working for free in college.

On the negotiations and seeing the Packers financials:

Right now they're not offering a good deal. They're offering a bad deal then following it up with saying "you can't see our books." It's unfair. There's no other companies that expect one group to negotiate with the other group when one can see all your cards but the other can't. It's ridiculous and unfair.

Real Sports Special..like a year ago, Robert Kraft said "We're the ones taking on all the risk." That drives me up the wall. 70% of our players aren't getting that homerun deal. We're taking real risks. I was on the field when Kevin Everett got paralyzed. And the thing with Chris Henry...he had never been diagnosed with a concussion, but his brain is all beat up. That's the stuff we have to deal with everyday. I just got married with a kid coming soon. What am I going to do? I made this decision. I could walk away. I'm just asking for respect. Don't tell me I'm not talking any risk. Robert Kraft is worth near a billion dollars and I doubt he's had hip or back surgeries. And Wes Welker...he'll be limping the rest of his life. Tom Brady. How can he look those guys in the eyes that brought him all those rings and say he's the only one taking risks? It's infuriating.

On Shanahan:

[When I was in Denver], we were not a mistake-prone group. Everyone in the NFL is tough. Some coaches thing about "we're going to work the ** out of you." If you're here your tough. He's a respect guy. He's going to treat you with respect. He's one of the few coaches that doesn't treat his players like kids. When we were in Denver, he let us stay home. He trusted us to be there on time and do things needed to be successful. He's not in the old-school sense where we're going to beat you in the ground which will make you a better player. Because it's not.

Ken then asked his take on if Haynesworth's actions of taking the check then asking to be traded affects the negotiations.

Wow...he really did that? (pause). Man, that question is riddled with traps. No comment (laughing).

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Nice listening to an articulate player

with reasoned opinions. Still not sure I buy the line about paying enormous sums based on potential. Seems inherently unfair to all but the few who star in college. Nice point about working for free for their college careers, but not exactly valid. Most who have pro potential are getting a free education if they chose to use it. And they get enormous perks, too. Life in college is not bad for star football players I would think.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jul 23, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

College football at the major conferences.

In many respects are the minor league for the NFL. Yet only a fraction of college football players go to the pros. “Most who have pro potential are getting a free education if they chose to use it.” The whole milieu is in many respects a farce. “Chose to use it” is a mixed bag issue since football can preclude study time, good academic accomplishment, etc. How do the ones that don’t make it to the pros do out in the real world.? We don’t hear about those guys. Many could not afford to go to college without the athletic scholarships.

by Jefferson1935 on Jul 23, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

You must also factor in that many

of these “scholar-athletes” are 90% athletes who have been skating their entire lives and, but for their athleticism, would not be attending major universities. Hence, even if they choose to use it, they are probably ill-prepared to take on a full academic load. Hence, as you say, the farce piled upon farce.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jul 23, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey, we all live only so many years....

yes they are “taken adavantage of” and their are agents, and coaches, and athletic directors who deserve a good dose of old school justice. We all have to make serious choices in life, that affect us forever, at that age. We are all strong minded and hard headed at that age and we are all being pulled at by many different factors…be it a woman (or women in general) or family, or drugs, or just laziness (which I am sure is a disease by now). They have the opportunity to go to good colleges for free, if they can’t take advantage of it that is not anyones problem but their own. What about the guy who was dining the old pinto two his two jobs and worked his way through scgool and is now sfufflin papers for kinko’s cuz there is no job for him right now?……I do not feel bad for the scholarship athlete…..and I honestly don’t think it is the scholarship athlete that started the whole gripe in the first place.

by MagicHat on Jul 24, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I think the rookie salaries are ridiculous.

But then again…maybe that is just me.

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by FlaGators on Jul 23, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Definitely

If anything, they should take less money from the top and spread it among the lower rounds. No reason for a kid out of college to get $40 mil based solely on potential. $39 mil maybe, but not $40.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 23, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha.

And just wait until they play 18 games a season. The players are going to want more money.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Jul 23, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, they are going to get mor money...

fan benefit so they can watch more football
nfl benefits from more revenue
the owners are going to benefit
and the players are going to benefit

by ATLredskin on Jul 23, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree…under no circumstances do i support taking pay from someone working today to give to someone who is not working. it’s their right to reap the rewards of their labor. it gets really messy drawing the line otherwise.

by les boulez bomber on Jul 23, 2010 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

The reason the NFLPA likes the rookie wage scale....

is because a rookie at a certain position gets guaranteed 40 million so the next year during free agency the players are able to leverage their salaries based on the guaranteed money a rookie got the year before. That is why the veterans have no issue with the rookie wage scale. If you cap the rookie pay then you will see all salaries in the NFL drop tremendously because players will not have any leverage when negotiating a new deal when their rookie deal is up. You also have to remember that NFL players are paid the least of any of the three major sports in America, but their career life spans are the shortest due to injuries that end their careers. Check out LeCharles Bentley the Center who signed with Cleveland after he entered free agency was guaranteed some money, but then tore up his knee the first practice of training camp and then contracted staff and never played a down. Career Over! What if that happened the year before the deal? He would not have been very profitable. With no rookie wage scale Bentley would have never gotten the deal he received from Cleveland.

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by TheMeast3621 on Jul 23, 2010 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

There will still be leverage

It just adjusts up to the renegotiations. Capping rookie pay is an absolute must; a team can easily set themselves back a full decade by one single high draft pick bust. Any caps would be for one or at most two seasons anyhow, so after that full scale negotiations begin. Guys like Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf don’t get paid on that renegotiation, but the lower-round guys playing at or near the league minimum (which is in the same ballpark as NBA and MLB, though almost $100k behind the NHL) would have a chance to prove their worth and get paid for it, without a bunch of unproven rookies taking up the money.

The article though implies that the NFLPA wants them to take the money that the teams would NOT be paying to the rookies, and give it to the veterans, for no apparent reason. I do not support that, and it’s this sort of thinking that keeps unions like the NFLPA from being able to form a legitimate working relationship with the industries their workers support. The vets have no direct claim to, or expectation of, getting any money not being paid to rooks, just because that money isn’t being paid out anymore. The salary cap will still be in effect, and teams will spend accordingly and pay vets accordingly. Mandating some form of socialized prorated distribution to vets in the league is simply not going to work, and the owners will not go for it.

by tuckwell on Jul 24, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

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