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It was interesting reading Ken's reaction to being lambasted by The Sports Reporters on ESPN 980 the other day - I didn't hear the show, since I've moved my listening patterns to 106.7 and music over the brief afternoon drive. I used to be a listener, but the show's just gotten too "old bitter guy radio" for me lately, talking about ancient sports history and pop cultural notes I have zero interest in as an under-30 listener. The other day I turned on the Mustang, and it was still on 980 from listening to Sheehan during the lunch drive, and I listened to the two of them talking about the Golden Girls before gritting my teeth and switching to listening to LaVar Arrington and Dukes pretend to know thing one about the NBA. That's a typical experience.

For what it's worth, I can pinpoint when I stopped listening, even as a fan of Steve Czaban's style, and the exact reason. It was last July, possibly right after they'd had Feinstein on for his regular expression of ego, politics and complete naivete about sports fandom today. They had Thom Leverro on and were talking about steroids -- a classic subject for them, and one they spend a lot more time on than, say, the Nationals or the Wizards or the Caps -- and the three spent a good half hour reacting to Bill James' thoughts on the subject, which he'd shared in a recent essay. James is, of course, the famed sports writer and the father of sabermetrics, a profoundly respected author, and is widely considered the most influential baseball writer in his generation.

The following exchange took place between Andy Pollin and Czaban:

"Who the hell is Bill James?"

"Well, Peter Gammons says he's important."

"Why should we care what he thinks, he's not a Hall of Fame voter like Loverro!"

This is the point where I realized: these guys just don't take this job seriously. And that's the problem.

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It's fundamentally odd to listen to two people who don't live in DC and never attend or cover any games representing themselves as informed commentators on local sports, pro or college. If I recall correctly, Czaban went to his first Redskins game at the "new" stadium in 2008, and Pollin has been to a handful of games at Nationals Park (he always emerges with complaints about the food, fans, lines, etc. (how insightful). But not only do they not go to games, most of the time it seems they don't watch the games. This is the basic fee for entry into putting out good product -- and for fans, who obsess over these things, it makes their opinion rapidly shrink in value.

These guys have local ties, but they just don't seem all that interested in anything other than the Redskins as their beat. Czaban obviously lived in McLean as a teenager, went to California during his college and formative years. Pollin is from New York, started out doing radio in Dallas. Both have been here since the mid 1990s -- in other words, 15 years of the Redskins being the only show in town worth talking about, from their perspective. But compare their attitude to someone like Sheehan -- born in DC, Walt Whitman high, Maryland alum, lived and worked in area basically his whole life -- and there's no question who comes across as being more interested in local sports, and caring enough to watch the games, read all the news, and get it right.

The time they spend talking about the Nationals is so fleeting and Strasburg focused, you'd barely know the sport exists. (Again, I wonder if it's because they don't even bother to watch the games). During last season, I can recall roughly three hours of radio where they talked about the Caps - hour at the beginning, hour at the trade deadline, hour at the playoffs. Maybe it's because, unlike the Redskins, there's no pre-existing narrative of heroes and villains (mostly villains) for them to bash. Nobody hates Ted Leonsis.

This lack of interest in any serious coverage of local teams might be mitigated if Czaban and Pollin paid attention to sports in other big markets, such as the way Wilbon pays attention to Chicago or Kornheiser to New York -- but they don't do that, either. I remember sitting in traffic last summer when they spent a good minute debating about the ESPN break update about Adam LaRoche being traded, and whether he was going to switch off with Mike Lowell at first. It took Loverro, who is a Hall of Fame voter, a full minute to remember the existence of one Kevin Youkilis, and the fact that at that point, Mike Lowell had never played a game at first base in the big leagues.

I genuinely like and enjoy quality sports radio. I lived in Houston for a while, and spend a lot of time in Louisiana and Chicago, and listening to other affiliates really impressed me for how much attention other towns' local sports guys pay to, well, sports. The full breadth of teams and everything going on in the area gets hashed out and considered, and their attitude -- while often critical -- was nearly always that of a smart, observant host who paid attention to the news and provided an opinionated filter for the fans listening. That's not what these guys are.

DC is full of "sports guys" who don't bother to watch any sports, stuck in jobs in an otherwise dying "opinion without news" industry. Frankly, 106.7 isn't much better -- a solid week after the NFL Draft, I was listening for about an hour and heard zero discussion of the awesome Nats start, the then-gnawing questions about the Caps playoff attempt, or anything of the sort -- the anchor was instead arguing with his partner about whether Oakland was a better place for Jason Campbell because the Redskins line sucks, because "we don't have any more wins than they do in the past few years" (Oakland under Al post GM firing, over past eight seasons -- 29-83; Redskins in same period -- 48-65, with two playoff appearances). or whether it is better because, and I quote, "Al Davis will die a lot sooner than Dan Snyder."

The sad thing is, the DC area is turning into a great place to cover sports. We've got a major league quality baseball team at last, with a golden new arm starting tonight; we have the most talented offensive player in hockey; we have a basketball team which is remaking itself under new ownership, and about to get an incredible young talent. We have a great college and high school scene. And we have a mega-franchise in the Redskins which is always worth talking about. Yet between 106.7 and 980, does anyone disagree that we also have some of the worst sports broadcasters in the business talking about these teams?

It's not their fault -- maybe you get older and just lose interest in the magic of sports, the great writers and reporters and play by play men who made you interested in the career fade as heroes for you, and you start mailing it in (Update: For an example of what I mean, check out what Aaron Rodgers said about Tony Kornheiser). I don't know that I'm like that as a listener or reader -- it's hard to think of a day when listening to Vin Scully or reading something by Joe Posnanski doesn't move me -- but some columnists and hosts get tired of their beats after a while, and need to move on. And if they don't, the marketplace speaks and those who used to listen turn to other sources, new filters for news and opinion who take over podcasts and blogs and supplant the old media.

Some of these new voices are fans like Ken, some of them former journalists like Mark Zuckerman -- but they watch the games, they cover all the details of the team, they pay attention to others, and they take pride in the quality of their work.

I like good sports radio. I wish we still had it. But with these other sources for content, smarter, younger, more capable and more dedicated -- who really needs it?

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A really, really nice post, bt

I am more inclined to say they are just arrogant jerks who suck yet expect to get paid for a living. But that’s just me.

You did inspire one thought, and that is while these dinosaurs tremble and go find some place to lay down and die, I hadn’t on the other hand considered how cool it is to not only be a rabid Skins fan and Caps fan, but that we here at HH are doing something that is more than just fun and interesting. I think we are leading edge with this forum, especially since we kind of police ourselves better than many blog sites where the participants are really just there to flame on one another.

Thanks again for your post.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jun 9, 2010 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

Thanks Scott. First time posting, long time reader.

I don’t think we should be angry at the dinosaurs. The great ones served their purpose, and in their time, some of them were pretty awesome. Maybe someday we’ll remember the great establishment sports radio types of this fading era of AM radio the way folks remember Winchell, Allen, and Benny…

Just kidding. We’ll forget about the ones who didn’t matter, and remember the ones who challenged us, changed our views, or made us laugh.

by btdome on Jun 10, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't intend to come across hating categorically for all time

Just tired of a lot of recent talking heads of the not so informed kind who think that shouting makes their points more incisive and diss fans by hanging up on them and think its funny.

Of course there have bee great radio heads, especially play-by-play guys. I’m more focused on the Andy/Stevie type above.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jun 10, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

Yeah, I think that personality is extinct already — they just don’t know it yet. Fans can do that job better.

by btdome on Jun 10, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for good writing and timeliness

I’d rather read and debate here than listen lately.

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Jun 9, 2010 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

problem

one problem that i see with ‘mainstream’ sports media, especially radio, is that everyone is expected to be a ‘jack off all trades’. theyre supposed to be able to talk about everything, so what ends up happening is they know a little bit about every sport, but arent truly knowledgeable about any one of them. that makes for extremely boring reading/watching/listening for anyone who actually does know what theyre talking about.

by joshp on Jun 11, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

In other words

it puts them on par with the very fans they dismiss. Nice…

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jun 12, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's why Al Koken's loss on 980 was so very, very sad.

He was a guy who could talk hockey on JT’s show. You had a decent cross section there. You had JT with a basketball bias, Doc with a football bias, and Smoke with a hockey bias all in the same room. 980 broke that up and mucked the whole thing up.

It’s tragic that there’s no real baseball person on mainstream DC radio on ever. Loverro might know some baseball, but I can’t believe he’s really exerting any effort in that area. Sheehan is real dismissive of stuff beyond Terps and Redskins unless it’s a major, major story.

Souldrummer stands alone for Miguel Batista. Many want to see Capps save games. Dream big! MOAR RUNZ!!! MOAR BATISTA!!!!

by souldrummer on Jun 12, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

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