Poll: Who Is the Worst Redskin of All Time?
With it being a slow time for news, I thought it'd be fun to ping the community on who's the worst Redskin player of all time. I don't mean worst signing.
Worst on-field performance.
Given the better state of the Redskins, I'm praying feeling that this will be the last time we have to conduct a poll of this nature...but fun none the less. We've killed the bad signings to death, so let's focus on some stats. Thinking back through history, a lot of QBs and WR's come to mind, including Norm Snead, Michael Westbrook, Jeff George, and Tim Hasselbeck. We cover all the stats after the jump, so please give a look over before voting. I also cover the players you think should be on there (like Deion), and I explain why they're not.
All the candidates/stats/bios after the jump "
Norm Snead: It' a good thing they didn't keep sack records in the early 60's because Norm would have been a leader. These QB rating numbers are god awful. If Jason Campbell could muster an 86.4 QB rating with the Redskins OLine last year, I really question what Norm was doing in the pocket. Snead only won 9 games in his threee years with the Redskins, and that bad pace continued through his entire career. (He only had 1 winning season in his 16 years in the league). OUCH.
After hearing stories of the woeful 60's, and looking at his career stats, I'm really leaning towards Norm.
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Year |
Age |
Tm |
G |
GS |
QBrec |
Cmp |
Att |
Cmp% |
Yds |
TD |
Int |
Y/A |
AY/A |
Y/C |
Y/G |
Rate |
|
22 |
14 |
172 |
375 |
45.9 |
2337 |
11 |
22 |
6.2 |
4.2 |
13.6 |
166.9 |
51.6 |
||||
|
1962* |
23 |
14 |
184 |
354 |
52.0 |
2926 |
22 |
22 |
8.3 |
6.7 |
15.9 |
209.0 |
74.7 |
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|
1963* |
24 |
14 |
175 |
363 |
48.2 |
3043 |
13 |
27 |
8.4 |
5.8 |
17.4 |
217.4 |
58.1 |
Michael Westbrook: Broken wrist, knee, hamstring injuries...ego. Never a dull moment with Michael. Only year they made the playoffs in his career was his breakout year. Of course there was the infamous melt down where he pummeled Stephen Davis at practice.
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Season |
Team |
Receiving |
Rushing |
Fumbles |
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|
G |
GS |
Rec |
Yds |
Avg |
Lng |
TD |
Att |
Yds |
Avg |
Lng |
TD |
FUM |
Lost |
||
|
2002 |
9 |
4 |
8 |
94 |
11.8 |
26T |
2 |
1 |
1 |
1.0 |
1 |
0 |
-- |
-- |
|
|
2001 |
16 |
16 |
57 |
664 |
11.6 |
76T |
4 |
2 |
8 |
4.0 |
8 |
0 |
-- |
-- |
|
|
2000 |
2 |
2 |
9 |
103 |
11.4 |
21 |
0 |
-- |
-- |
-- |
-- |
-- |
-- |
-- |
|
|
1999 |
16 |
16 |
65 |
1,191 |
18.3 |
65T |
9 |
7 |
35 |
5.0 |
12 |
0 |
3 |
1 |
|
|
1998 |
11 |
10 |
44 |
736 |
16.7 |
75T |
6 |
1 |
11 |
11.0 |
11 |
0 |
-- |
-- |
|
|
1997 |
13 |
9 |
34 |
559 |
16.4 |
40T |
3 |
3 |
-11 |
-3.7 |
7 |
0 |
-- |
-- |
|
|
1996 |
11 |
6 |
34 |
505 |
14.9 |
45 |
1 |
2 |
2 |
1.0 |
2 |
0 |
-- |
-- |
|
|
1995 |
11 |
9 |
34 |
522 |
15.4 |
45 |
1 |
6 |
114 |
19.0 |
58T |
1 |
-- |
-- |
|
|
TOTAL |
285 |
4,374 |
15.3 |
76 |
26 |
22 |
160 |
7.3 |
58 |
1 |
3 |
1 |
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Tim Hasselbeck: In 2004, he never saw action. In 2003, he played in 7 games (starting in 5) and threw for 7 INTs and 5 TDs. He had a 63.6 QB rating with a 53.7 completion % (95/177). He also fumbled the ball three times, two which were lost.
Brandon Lloyd: Brandon has to be up there. He got into Gibbs' doghouse early with his attitude and poor work ethic. His 2007 season was cut short after breaking his collar bone in practice.
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Receiving |
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Year |
Age |
Tm |
G |
GS |
Rec |
Yds |
Y/R |
TD |
Lng |
R/G |
Y/G |
YScm |
Fmb |
AV |
|||
|
25 |
12 |
23 |
365 |
15.9 |
0 |
52 |
1.5 |
24.3 |
365 |
1 |
3 |
||||||
|
26 |
1 |
2 |
14 |
7.0 |
0 |
9 |
0.3 |
1.8 |
14 |
0 |
0 |
||||||
Jeff George played in only 8 games his two years as a Redskin. In 2001, he played in 2 games in which he threw for 3 INTs and 0 TDs with a QB Rating of 34.6 going 34-42 in passes (54.8%) and fumbling two times. George started 0-2 (with helped of missed FGs in both games) and was replaced by Tony Banks, who lost the next 3 games then amazingly won 5 in a row.
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Season |
Team |
Passing |
Rushing |
Fumbles |
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|
G |
GS |
Comp |
Att |
Pct |
Yds |
Avg |
TD |
Int |
Sck |
SckY |
Rate |
Att |
Yds |
Avg |
TD |
FUM |
Lost |
||
|
2001 |
2 |
2 |
23 |
42 |
54.8 |
168 |
4.0 |
0 |
3 |
6 |
38 |
34.6 |
4 |
0 |
0.0 |
0 |
2 |
1 |
|
|
2000 |
6 |
5 |
113 |
194 |
58.2 |
1,389 |
7.2 |
7 |
6 |
12 |
94 |
79.6 |
7 |
24 |
3.4 |
0 |
3 |
1 |
|
Deion Sanders: He's an easy guy to target since he was a Cowboy, but he did muster 4 INTs in his single season with the Redskins (2000). The most he ever had in Dallas in any season was 5 and for his career 7. With the Redskins, Deion had 41 tackles, 1 FF, and recovered 2. He was a bit disappointing in the punt returns, returning 25 for an average of 7.4 yards and 0 TDs...pretty much his career low. So, since his numbers were par for his career, he didn't make the poll.
Update1: Adam Archuleta: I didn't include Adam since he was more of a bad signing than a bad player. He played well on Special Teams, had an INT, and played the run well. He got killed in coverage and was benched. I didn't think he warranted to be on the list with players that sucked for multiple years.
Update2: Heath Shuler: I had him in my notes and missed copy and pasting him in. Heath was a disaster in biblical proportions. Galaxy proportions. The Kwame Brown of Football.
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Year |
Tm |
G |
GS |
QBrec |
Cmp |
Att |
Cmp% |
Yds |
TD |
Int |
Lng |
Y/G |
Rate |
Sk |
|
1994 |
WAS |
11 |
8 |
1-7-0 |
120 |
265 |
45.3 |
1658 |
10 |
12 |
81 |
150.7 |
59.6 |
12 |
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1995 |
WAS |
7 |
5 |
3-2-0 |
66 |
125 |
52.8 |
745 |
3 |
7 |
44 |
106.4 |
55.6 |
13 |
|
1996 |
WAS |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0.0 |
0 |
>>>> Dishonorable Mentions: Durant Brooks, Danny Wuerffel (who went 2-2 with a 70.9 QB Rating), Taylor Jacobs, Trung Canidate, Shar Pourdanesh (the only Iranian NFL player to this day).
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Comments
had to go Westbrook on this one.....
His is the only jersey I have left (not even really a jersey, one of those adidas deals with the iron-on numbers) and I think that we are in the neighborhood of 0-9 when I have worn the jersey on game day…..on a side note/update on my first drunken post, I think I am leaning towards the Rap jersey, although seriously considering looking for a Carlos Rogers, you don’t see that one everyday and I don’t mind throwing a little love/support his way. I just wish I could be more confident that he will be around for a while.
Max Zendejas
That guy was a poor replacement for Mark Moseley. What a disgrace.
Really?
JC was average to the max, but a helluva lot better than George, Ramsey, Shuler and Ferrote.
Norm Snead’s numbers (TD/INT ratio) remind me of Rexxy’s. Fans must have absolutely cringed every time he went back to pass.
I’m going with Westbrook because he was supposed to be a total stud and turned out to be a total turd. Plus, not only did he kill me as a Redskins fan, but I have to live with the memory of he and his CU mates beating U-M on an absolutely insane Hail Mary play on a pass from Kordell Stewart of all players. So he double shat on me.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
JC is 10x the QB Heath Shuler, Wuerful or Shane Matthews ever was
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Had to go with Lloyd on this one but Westbrook was a very close second
When you factor in everything it’s hard not to vote for Lloyd. Westbrook on the other hand had decent to good stats for a few years however, he was such an ass, I think he’s a very close 2nd. I hated that guy and still do for what he did to Stephen Davis. Rumor has it mommy didn’t give him enough attention when he was growing up so he acted like a jerkoff his whole life. He definitely gets the lifetime achievement for the biggest NFL jerkoff ever award.
A lot of people (via twitter) think Archuleta should be on the poll still
Thoughts?
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Archuletta should have been on here
So should Wuerfful and Shane Matthews.
Westbrook was a massive bust for the franchise, but he did play for a while and got playing time, which is more than most of these other losers can say.
I think Tim Hasselbeck should be exempt b/c he was really a back up.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
jeebus, I had him in my notes...I might need to re-do this poll.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 8, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Replace Hasselbeck with He*th Sh*ler
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
good thinking.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 8, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
although now I want to revote.
:(
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
u can logout, then vote, then relogin
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haha, Ken and I discussed him
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 8, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Danny Wuerful
But I wouldn’t put Westbrook, Shane Mathews or JC on a list of the worst Redskins. JC wasn’t great, but not bad, either. I would think Shuler and Archuleta should have been on the list.
Shuler's stats have been added to the post
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 8, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted for Mark Rypien.
I know he won a Super Bowl, but the only reason he completed any passes was that his receivers were awesome. He would throw high and in, Art Monk twists his body to get it and would almost get killed in the process. He throws deep to Gary Clark and he has to stop and adjust his route to get the ball. Everything he threw was too high and I felt the Redskins won so many games that year in spite of Mark Rypien not because of Mark Rypien. Every team has busts and every team has players that never reached their full potential. The real crime is when a player is lauded as a great quarterback and isn’t even an average quarterback. I think this makes him worse because of the credit he is undeservedly given.
Bruce Smith
I’d like to suggest Bruce Smith. Don’t let the sack totals fool you (he had 29 in four years). He single handedly rendered the Redskins rushing defense ineffective his final year because he would line up near the sidelines in order to get a better line on the quarterback in his silly pursuit of the sack record. They were 25th in the league in defense that year, and all we got for his stay was the opportunity to purchase a commemorative “Sack King” coin and higher ticket prices.
Has to Be Shuler
For all of those voting for Brandon Lloyd – at what point was Lloyd expected to carry the franchise? He was a number 2/3 receiver. Who cares if he stunk? Heath Shuler was drafted third overall with the only reward for the Skins worst season ever. He was going to be the next Troy Aikman and Norv was going to groom him. Our first signal that he was going to be utterly attrocious was his inconceivably low (until Vince Young came along) score on the wonderlic. Then he graced the field proudly wearing that beautiful number 5 that Jeff G. would one day sport…and he shit the bed like no other quarterback in histrory. You guys think JC looked lost? Go back and watch Shuler games. He was a disgrace. So the Skins suffered their worst season ever, got a number 3 pick out of it, and then drafted a guy who Gus Freaking Frerotte beat out. Brandon Lloyd? Really? Is the recency effect that strong?
I also considered the man drafted to be Heath’s Michael Irvin – Michael Westbrook. But here’s the thing – Westbrook had some decent seasons and he stuck around for a while. 1999 was a great year, plus he has the greatest set of punches in Redksins history for wailing away on Stephen Davis during training camp.
The rest of the guys sucked and Jeff G. was a complete dick, but none of them copare to Shuler in terms of sheer terribleness. I’ll give Kevin the benefit of the doubt on Snead because that’s well before my time. But if you toss out the old 60s Skins who all sucked — Shuler is hands down without question the worst Skin of the last 40 years.
Brandon Lloyd? Who cares about Brandon Lloyd?
I totally agree...gotta take the positional / depth expectations into consideration
Otherwise, there are plenty of Redskins who’ve been on rosters, but never even played a game who are clearly ‘worse’.
Lloyd might have been penciled as the #2 receiver at some point, but he was demoted to the #3 and so stats should be against either of those. He also at least was consistent in his time with the 49ers (though never since), so I’m guessing some scheme issues are partly to blame.
you're probably right about shuler > worst than > Lloyd
i guess the best arg i can think of for lloyd is that he literally did not take the field for what, like a season or something? Still, you’re right, that pales in comparison to the offensiveness of shuler’s impact
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Jun 8, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Heath Shuler
He was a holdout, which really hurt him. Never made up the lost time. Smart guy, and a better congressman than QB.
Andre Johnson
First round pick in 1996 Draft and never played a game for us… only played 3 games in his entire career (all in his third and final year in the league for the Lions)
Hail to the Redskins!
Worst on-field performance
I guess you have to get on the field to meet the criteria…
Hail to the Redskins!
Vinny
I don’t remember Vinny playing a single down.
Daniel Snyder
and I’m not kidding
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Jun 8, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Shaun Suisham?
I know he is only a kicker, but he has lost a number of games for us all on his own, missing field goals that college kickers sink regularly. Probably the polar opposite of clutch. Glad we got rid of Suisham.
finally
surprised his name isn’t on the list. He is the polar opposite of Kobe, chokes under pressure. I can’t tell you how mad i was when he missed a 22 yard field goal to ice the game against New Orleans during their undefeated run.
by Nayeem JohnWall Chowdhury on Jun 8, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Suisham!
i’m with the rest of the Suishamites
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Jun 8, 2010 8:55 PM EDT reply actions
It has to be Heath Shuler
The ANTI Peyton Manning…
Tony Banks was the QB when they won those 5 games in a row I believe...
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Yea,
he was on the team when they went 0-5 to 5-5, but he also is IMO the only quarterback in Redskins history to hold onto the ball longer than Jason Campbell… which is pretty bad.
by preppiejack on Jun 10, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I seem to recall....
Joe Theismann being back there long enough to eat a ham sammich (pun intended)…but he had the OL to get away with it.
Banks was decent
He’s nowhere near the class of Shuler or Wuerffel.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
HEATH SHULER!!
This is a no brainer!!!….Not only is he the worst Redskin of all time but he is a top ten worst professional football player of all time!!!!
Heath Shuler
Wow – Heath winning another election!

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