Redskins 53-Man Roster, Version 1.0- What is This Guy Smoking?
by Tiller56 on Jun 26, 2010 9:48 AM EDT
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In a feble attempt to predict the Redskins 53 man roster, CSNwashington.com staff writer Ryan O'Halloran show his intelligence, or lack there of, in his "Redskins' 53-Man Roster, Version 1.0".
Let me break this apart, because in reality, that is what we do as fans; break apart all that we think is inncorrect with our teams.
God, I hope he hasn't hit the bowl again before putting out Version 2.0. Can't wait for that one.
Here is the link to this masterpiece for anyone interested.
First:
QUARTERBACKS (3)
Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman and Richard Bartel.
Analysis: One of the top competitions in training camp will be for No. 3 quarterback. Colt Brennan missed all of last year following hip surgery, and Bartel arrived from Jacksonville’s practice squad late in the season. Bartel gets the edge because he appears to have a stronger arm.
What, no fan favorite Colt Brennan? Some fans think he is the next Drew Brees. Oh well, there goes the future of the franchise.
Anyways, this dude has Bartel, a product of mighty Tarleton State, beating out the former Hawaii star for the third spot on the QB depth chart. His reasoning, "Bartel gets the edge because he appears to have a stronger arm", includes one word that concerns me; APPEARS. Wow, you APPEAR to have a learning disability. Lets make you a sports writer. Great!
Second:
RUNNING BACKS (4)
Clinton Portis, Larry Johnson, Mike Sellers and Ryan Torain.
Analysis: Yes, Brian Westbrook and Willie Parker aren’t on the list. I didn’t consider Westbrook because he’s not here yet (and may not be here at all), and the Redskins should wait for the preseason to play out to see if a team panics and trades a draft pick for Parker. Another great sub-plot of camp is how the Redskins divide the reps and playing time between Portis, Johnson and possibly Parker.
This ones just funny.
I have to point this blurb out: "and the Redskins should wait for the preseason to play out to see if a team panics and trades a draft pick for Parker." Who is going to trade for Willie Parker, and why would the Redskins stunt the development of other RB's on the roster, just to hold out hope some team will come calling, offering up their 6th round draft pick in 2013, for the aging Parker. Ridiculous.
Third:
RECEIVERS (6)
Santana Moss, Devin Thomas, Joey Galloway, Bobby Wade, Mike Furrey and Terrence Austin.
Analysis: What’s the fun without throwing a couple curveballs, which is why Malcolm Kelly isn’t included. He doesn’t play special teams – that’s why Wade, Furrey and Austin all make the team. Guessing this position is a crapshoot – Thomas is the No. 2 receiver behind Moss by default, and Galloway needs to show he can make it through camp. On his last Denver team, Mike Shanahan carried only five receivers (four active on Sundays), but Austin makes it as the sixth player if he has a good camp returning kicks.
This one is my favorite.
So let me get this straight, we cut Malcom Kelly, our top Redzone threat as a WR, and a guy who has just been through his first full season(he was injured his rookie year), in favor of Joey Galloway, Bobby Wade and Mike Furrey? Holy crap, get me the Tylenol. Instead of investing in new capital ventures, Danny Boy better buy stock in a Durable Medical Equipment company that sells wheelchairs, walkers and canes. So, in this move, we not only get older, but also shorter. How long do you think Galloway will continue to play? I give him 5-6 more good years at least. That will put him at what......60. WOW! All I can say is WOW! This guy mentions Kelly doesn't play special teams, but either does Galloway. I think if Galloway tied to play ST at this point in his career, his hip may fall off.
How about one veteran, maybe Bobby Wade, along with Moss, Thomas, Kelly, Armstrong(he's young, fast, atheletic, and had impresses so far this offseason.......oh yeah, and he doesn't collect social security) and one of the two between Brandon Banks and Austin. I like this a lot better than the former cast of Cacoon.
Fourth:
OFFENSIVE LINEMEN (9)
Casey Rabach, Derrick Dockery, Trent Williams, Artis Hicks, Jammal Brown, Mike Williams, Edwin Williams, Chad Rinehart and Selvish Capers.
Analysis: The starting group is set with Rabach, Dockery, Hicks, Brown and Trent Williams. There will be beaucoup competition for the remaining four spots. Will Montgomery and Edwin Williams are likely vying for one spot. Mike Williams makes it because he can play guard and tackle. Stephon Heyer may be going from 2009 starter to 2010 training camp cut, and Rinehart better have a good camp, too.
This is pretty good too.
Heyer, a versatile young backup(I know some people have problems with him as a starter, but he can be a very effective backup at both tackle spots), is cut, yet we keep Edwin Williams? Did this guy happen to watch any Redskins games last season. Edwin Williams? Seriously? He spent more time in the backfield last season than Portis, Betts and Cartright combined. If either Edwin Williams or Will Montgomery make this team, I will get sick to my stomach. I personally think we keep 10 offensive linemen, and I think Capers is destined for the practice squad. I don't think Capers can beat out Heyer at this point in his career. I believe his potential is greater, but Heyer is far more advanced at this point in his career than Capers. Also, I wouldn't count out Cook and Licht, as they can play both center and guard, and are upgrades over both Williams and Montgomery.
Ok, I had my fun tearing this guy apart. Now it's your turn.
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It is not that hard to produce a 53-man roster with
a bunch of conditions.
I more or less did my own breakdown of the current roster (before the Brown trade). I suspect it will be about 90% accurate with what will be in place in the first week of September. Since we don’t have much information on a lot of these players in NFL game conditions, about 35 to 40 roster spots are fairly sure things. A guy like Fanaika was an unknown, but he got cut and was immediately picked up by the Browns. Litch has very little NFL experience as an OL since most of his play with Denver was FB (and that wasn’t that extensive). At this point Erik Cook is an unknown at the NFL level but had fairly good credentials at the college level, yet his main knock may be speed. Seventh round OL draft picks typically don’t last long in the NFL. There are still quite a few on rosters from the 2008 draft and a few have had started more than 2 games. Capers was thought by many to be a steal, but 32 teams passed over picking him until the Skins did (even after Cook).
I don’t fault Ryan O’Halloran for giving it a shot, but a HH shot would be about as good. No big deal, but he doesn’t much more info to work with than most serious Skins’ fans.
SORRY, CHARLIE....
No, it’s not an old TV tuna ad….I just have to say I think O’Halloran may be closer to the mark than you.
Calling Kelly ‘our top red zone threat’ makes me wonder what YOU have been smoking. How many TDs does he have? He, like Thomas, have just not produced.
And speaking of not producing, toss Reinhart into that mix, sprinkle with a public intoxication conviction and you have a baked (or half-baked) trio I like to call Pasta Cerrato….a dish that makes a lot of promises but ends up as a bunch of wet noodles.
Umm
Thomas had a 100yd performance against the super bowl champion New Orleans Saints.
Kelly had a 100yd performance against San Diego when asked to start in place of injured Thomas
And Reinhart performed well last year until he got hurt. He was much better then any other guys who got in the rotation at guard (of course, minus Dockery).
Give Thomas and Kelly opportunity and their quarterback (some) time, and they perform buddy.
And if you really are gonna cut Kelly over Joey Galloway (who, 3-5 years ago WOULD have been great, but he is something like 37!), I would be shocked.
by BigOLinemen on Jun 26, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Careful gauging anyone's performance against the Saints last year
Yes the Saints were/are an excellent football team and we had a very impressive outing against them but you can’t rank any of our offense by it. Remember they were playing against a Gregg Williams defense that much of last years offense literally spent years practicing against.
by SkinsOsTerps on Jun 26, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Kelly's game against SD.....
wasn’t SD playing their third stringers?
Shanahan has no loyalty to Kelly, he had better start looking like a complete player or he’ll be gone.
I’d say his chances are 50/50, if his knees hold up.
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Jun 26, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You say Shanahan would be 50/50 on him
And be more likely to take a Joey Galloway? Look, Moss, Thomas, and Wade, I think, are locks to make the roster. Austin probably makes it due to return ability, but you think Shanahan would take Galloway and/or one of the other unproven receivers over Kelly, who has shown much more promise then any of those other guys.
In reference to the SD game, I know it wasn’t third stringers, but I think they used a mix of 1st/2nd string guys, letting some starters rest (not sure, as the game didn’t televise where I live, so it could have been complete 2nd string), but, he still turned up a clutch game when given the starting opportunity. Take the 6’5" Kelly with strong hands, or 37yr old Galloway who would have been great 3 years ago, but age and injury have turned him into a shell of the player he once was.
Your call, but I think Shanahan has common sense, and common sense yells Kelly.
I don't think Shanahan is done
…picking up WR’s. I agree that Galloway wont make it out of camp.
I could see the opening day roster having Moss, Thomas, Wade, Furrey and a player to be picked up during camp.
Kelly has great hands, great size, questionable football smarts, and bad knees….thus a 50/50 shot IMO.
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Jun 27, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh
I see your point on Kelly pretty well.
Curious, do you have a preference or a guy you are looking at for the Skins to pick up?
no clue,
but McNabb, Buchanon and Brown literally came out of nowhere. I really think Shanahan has got a couple of receivers in mind and is just waiting for his time, ala Brown. If that’s true, we wont know who it is until it’s a done deal, probably no one we’ve ever heard of.
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Jun 27, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Tee L,
Either you are O’Halloran, or he paid you to come over here and defend him.
If you advocate keeping 3 geriatriac WR’s over a 3rd year WR with some actual years left in his prime, then you are delerious. Boy, your are just scarry smart when it come to football! Genius might be a better word.
Yes, you are correct that Kelly has yet to prove himself as a Redzone target, but at 6’4" 220+ he is certainly a weapon we have. Zorn never used the kid correctly, and Shanahan himself came out and said this(just not in so many words as to put Zorn down). He(Shanahan)already said he plans to use Kelly as a redzone mismatch. However, if you agree with O’Halloran, you want to see us simply give up on a 3 year WR, who we spent a 2nd round pick on, and has only played 1 1/2 full seasons due to injury. Oh yeah, forgot to mention, Zorn ran one of the worst offenses in the NFL.
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
I think for the most part it was good
But like you pointed out, a lot of ridiculousness in reasoning. I don’t think Colt Brennan is the next superstar QB of the Skins, but he damn well makes the team of Richard Bartel. I mean, damn.
I kinda don’t see the Skins holding onto Torrain: I think this year, the Skins go all out with this veteran squad (maybe even with Westbrook) and really go all out. It’s not crazy to have a three headed monster running back corps, it’s just whether it will be Westbrook or Parker in my opinion.
Receiver wise, Galloway shouldn’t be up there, and Kelly damn well should be. Kelly is definitely 3rd receiver over Galloway here, and Kelly has great hands. If he works on his speed, he could be an incredible receiver.
O-Line, I agree with you again. Heyer has great height and size and has shown a lot of promise. Last year was bad, but last year was bad for everyone. A new system may do him a lot of good.
Safety wise, it is also amusing that he says Horton could be the odd man out of the rotation, when he has shown a lot of promise himself. I think we have three very good strong safeties (Landry, Doughty, and Horton) and Moore is (hopefully) as good as the coaches say. I’d like to see either Buchanon or Barnes get some reps at FS so we have a better backup then one of the SS guys, but, defensively he still got a pretty good roster.
Offensively, I think he took some crazy pills, but the defense at least is very logical.
I tend to wonder what you're smoking
if you think Colt Brennan is going to be the next… well anything. I’d be surprised if the guy ever starts an NFL game in his entire career. The analysis was dead on with that point.
My only real disagreements with it are on Malcom Kelly and Chris Horton. Horton is a play maker and has the kind of attitude we need on the Redskins so I think it’s a bit of a long shot for him to end up the odd-man out. Kelly for all of his mixed performance I think is still on the team.
The O-line stuff is probably correct as well. Look I’m a Terps fan and no one wanted Heyer to succeed more than me but the reality is he has had his chance in the NFL and has never been more than at best an “if we really have to” gap filler. The analysis there is not crazy at all.
The Brennan comment was a joke
Sarcasm…………………ever heard of it? Boy, some people take things way too literally.
Plus, if you actually read the comment, you’ll see I said “Some fans think he is the next Drew Brees”. Not I THINK he will be the next Drew Brees.
Boy, I guess I better start dumbing thing down for some people.
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
Wah wah wah
If you offer inane analysis expect people to criticize it.
by SkinsOsTerps on Jun 26, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Where exactly is my insane analysis
just curious
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
The word is "inane", not insane
I’ll let you look it up. :)
by SkinsOsTerps on Jun 26, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
OK smartass
If anyone’s article was “inane”, it was the original author.
What about my critique of the authors article to you disagree with so much? Like I said, the Colt Brennan reference was ment sarcastically. What else would you like to disect while your at it. You seem to be on a roll; might as well keep going.
It’s always funny to me when people(you) ignore the topic at hand(which in this case was your misinterpretation of the Colt Brennan comment), and post a bunch of garbage in a feble attempt to STILL try and defend themselves.
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
Maybe you should just read my original post
I made it pretty clear what I agreed with and disagreed with. Really I’m not sure why you’re getting all defensive I don’t think my post was particularly harsh.
by SkinsOsTerps on Jun 27, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't harsh
it was just wrong when you took me out of context, and then asked me what I was smoking.
I just pointed out to you that the Brennan comment was just me being sarcastic, to which you replied “wah wah wah”
Since you never really answered my question, I’m just curious as to what comment I made led you to believe I was smoking something.
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
YAHOO COMMENT
Just read Jason Cole’s piece on Yahoo….he says the ‘Skins d-linemen don’t like the 3-4. Anybody know where he got that one?
(Cole: “Throw in the fact that other defensive linemen on the Redskins are privately complaining about the switch and you can understand why Haynesworth wants out.”)
I haven't seen that article
Regardless, change is annoying to a lot of guys, especially when you are taking a large number of 4-3 personnel (Carter, Jarmon, Alexander) and forcing them into a 3-4 position that is similar, but far from the same, and you will get complaints.
People stop complaining when they win though, so as long as they stay private, I don’t have a problem with it, because it is not bothering them enough to quit on the team.
lets not go too crazy now....
I’m as excited as the next guy (probably more than most) but that is a bit much.
Jarmon at LB
I may be mistaken but I don’t remember seeing anywhere that Jeremy Jarmon would be moving to LB. I think he’s a valuable asset as a 3-4 DE in our new system that could end up well paying off for his 3rd round pick.
He has been move to OLB
There was a acticle profiling the move a week or so ago.
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
Jarmon is way too small to play DE in a 3-4
& probably too big to play OLB in a 3-4. A DE in a 3-4 should be around 300 lb.s & an OLB should be around 245. Jarmon is trying to get down to a weight that he would be mobile enough to be able to drop back in coverage, I guess we will see in Sept. if he can make it
He was listed at 277
but reports had him down to 270 in OTA’s.
My guess is he will play around 265.
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
There are plenty of 3-4 OLBs who weigh in heavier than 245
Remember these guys are taking on OTs one-on-one on a regular basis. D Ware, LaMarr Woodley, Terrell Suggs, Adalius Thomas all list at 260+. I think he should be able to drop into the 265-270 range. The real question is if he’ll be laterally quick and fluid enough to cover effectively, and that’s not something that come automatically with weight loss.
Serious business.
You are right
Many very good OLBs in a 3-4 are around 265. The problem is that the ones you listed are mostly used as rush OLBers & rarely are asked to drop back in coverage. I think that Jarmon & in some ways Orakpo will have a hard time covering TEs on plays that they are not being asked to rush the QB. You make a good point on whether he will be agile enough to make the transition from DE to OLB. My statement above that OLBers in a 3-4 should be around 245 was incorrect
Colt Brennan
Brennan had excellent preseasons in 2008 and 2009. He may not be the next anything, but if his hip back to normal we have every reason to believe he is good enough to make the team again this year.
Also, forget Montgomery and Heyer- the notion that Edwin Williams makes the team over Kory Lichtensteiger is the most laughable.
and +1 on Stephen Heyer. I know I’ve said before that being “battle tested” doesn’t count for much when you are an epic failure, but Heyer will be a backup at tackle for the Redskins next year.
+1 on the Malcolm Kelly talk. There’s no way, barring more injuries, that he doesn’t make the 53-man.
I haven't seen it mentioned but
Heyer, like Mike Williams, might be a better fit at guard than tackle. Heyer did not make it trying to block outside pass rushers, but he was a decent power blocker compared to Dockery.
by Jefferson1935 on Jun 26, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with the Heyer comment
He seems so much more suited for guard with his monster size and considerable strength.
by BigOLinemen on Jun 26, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
ADIOS "FOOTBALL"
So, the US team loses to Ghana…..ROFL…..let’s face it….we play soccer like Brits play baseball……BADLY…..
Now, enough of the World Cup nonsense and get on with REAL football!
Reports on Mike Furrey have been pretty positive
I could see him getting kept and Galloway and either Wade/Austin getting the axe
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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Jun 27, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions
Furrey has 3 positives:
He can play offense as WR.
He can play defense as DB.
He can play special teams.
Both Wade and Austin can play WR and PR/KR.
The Skins need a good PR/KR more than a 5th or 6th WR.
by Jefferson1935 on Jun 27, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm interesting point
I’m really not high on our WRs. Reports thus far have not been positive on Devin Thomas so I would say there is a decent chance that Thomas and Kelly do not have breakout years (obviously nothing is even remotely close to certain at this point).
That would leave us with one oft-injured, potentially facing a suspension WR (Moss) and no one else (sorry, TEs do not count as WRs).
Furrey has the potential to be like a Randle-El type receiver in this offense, i.e. a WR3 or WR4 who makes a small, but positive contribution, maybe like 30-40 catches on the season.
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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Jun 28, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Just to spread it around
Lets Go O’s!!!!!!
I would disagree with O'Halloran on
Bartel over Brennan even tho neither one will ever be more than a 3rd stringer IMO
Austin over Banks also makes little sense because Brandon Banks has return experience & Austin doesn’t
Edwin Williams over Heyer makes no sense because (again IMO ) the only O-lineman that we had last year who looked worse than Heyer was Williams.
I think that developing Kelly over a decrepit Galloway would be a better move but I believe that both of these players will make the team.
I think that both Capers & Cook will go on the practice squad because of the age of our linemen
I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong
but I am pretty sure Austin does have return experience, he just has never taken one in for a touchdown…
Heyer
Heyer should not be cut. Although he may not be starting material, he can serve as a pretty damn good backup.
I agree with ENs about Capers and Cook, however I feel one will will be on our 53 man roster(maybe as an inactive on game days though)
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How can Heyer be a good backup when he showed he has no business in the NFL?
I’ll take my chances w/ anyone else.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 27, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a legit back up
Not sure if he’s good, but…
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