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Joe Gibbs Weighs In on Haynesworth; Relates to John Riggins

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The Mike Wise show today was any Redskins' fan dream interview...Gibbs telling vintage Riggins stories. After talking about a variety of things from Joe's recent involvement with the Redskins (more on that later), co-host Holden Kushner then asked Coach about Hayensworth, where Joe side-stepped the issue stating he didn't know the details of how much money he had received or the contract details, but did say:

"As a coach, every year we went into a season there were problems. Generally, 1-2-3 players with contractual problems, injury problems. Contractual problems like this. This is nothing new or different. This is nothing unusual in the NFL....if a guy takes a bunch of money, which you say he did, then I think certainly, a guy that makes a contractual obligation to play...an agreement, then it's their word. They made a deal. They made a contract. Live up to it."

The interview turned to a whole new level when Wise followed up asking Gibbs how this situation compared to the time Gibbs became head coach and had to inherit John Riggins, who had sat out the previous season due to contract issues. Gibbs gives the ENTIRE story in hilarious detail:

Gibbs: "It's one of my greatest stories. When I got the job, everyone said "You got to get John Riggins back here." Of course he sat out the year before in a contract dispute and everyone got fired. I didn't want to get fired (laughing). Without saying anything to anybody, I got on a plane. Flew to Lawrence, Kansas. Got a rental car. Went to the first corner gas station and said, "Do you know where John Riggins lives?" They said, "Yes, I do. Out down the dirt road." I pulled up on the back of this farm house. I knocked on the door, and I always say, I knew I had a chance to get John Riggins back because his wife answers the door, her hair's up in rollers, kids are running through the house, and says she wanted to come back. I said, "Get me an appointment with John Riggins. I'll be at this motel."

Got up the next morning. The [voicemail] red light was on. It said I got a breakfast appointment at 10am. I put my best stuff on. Young coach. I go roaring out there. Pull up to the back of his farmhouse. First time I laid my eyes on John, he's walking across the back of the courtyard. He's got a buddy with him in camouflage outfit. They had been hunting that morning. It's 10am and he has a beer can in his left hand. (laughing). I said, "I can tell he's impressed with me!" (laughing). I sit down at the breakfast table and man, I start my sales pitch...

Star-divide

I said, "Hey John. Young Coach. New offense. I'm going to put you in the back-field and give you the ball every down. I'll never ask you to block." (laughing)

I'm a salesman! You don't expect me to tell him the truth do ya!  (laughing). This guy just sat there. I was like, "Oh my gosh, I'm not getting through to him." The first meaningful thing he said, he leaned across the table and said, "You need to get me back there. I'll make you famous." And I went, "OH-MY-GOSH!" I said, "The guy's a nut-case." Nobody would say that to their coach. I'm going to get stuck coaching an egomaniac for six years.  I was thinking to myself, how am I going to get out of this? Then it donned on me. I'll get him back and then trade him. It was perfect. So I finished the sales pitch, got in the car, went back to Washington, didn't know if I'd hear from him.

Two days later I get a phone call from John Riggins, "Joe, I've made up my mind. I want to play next year." I went, "Perfect! I got him back." I'll trade the fruitcake and get myself a 1st round draft choice. He says, "There's only one thing I want to put in my contract." I said, "What's that?" He said, "A no trade clause."  (laughing)

Now. Now.  Know what the moral of that story is? - John Riggins made me famous. He was right... Anytime it got down to 4th and 1, I'd turn to the sidelines and say, "Give it to John."

I totally missed the first time I met John. I thought he was an ego and all that. Not the case. He was a great team guy. He was a great producer.  If you think about it, he was already late in his career when we got him. I told him, "You're lucky I didn't get you when you were 22 because you wouldn't be able to walk right now giving you the ball 40 times a game."

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Seems as if this blog would have been vilifying Riggins at the time, had the interwebs and sports blogs been around.

Not saying I am for or against the Haynesworth situation, could this be a similar situation as with what Riggins went through? Sitting out a WHOLE YEAR with a contract dispute, seeming to be an egomaniac, producing great numbers (or allowing teammates to do so e.g. carter, orakpo).

Thoughts?

by vrt2 on Jun 24, 2010 1:50 AM EDT reply actions  

We probably would have been pissed at him too

If Haynesworth comes back and has a HOF career and is Superbowl MVP, nobody will care about this dispute.

It’s a little different also, because Haynesworth is making demands immediately after taking the biggest check ever written to a player (about something he agreed to when taking the check), and after a mediocre season where his selfishness became a locker room issue.

Serious business.

by ThaRak on Jun 24, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree with your points. Th situations do differ in many senses. I think I may have been trying to touch on a much deeper issue, in that, the players we love, cherish, and canonize would have been torn down, both professionally and personally, by the same outlets that give us the capacity to voice our feelings and opinions today. Run on sentence. My bad (R.I.P. Manute Bol).

Too much goddamn bourbon tonight.

P.S. Am I the only one angered/infuriated by zorn/gibbs bible-thumping and not swearing? I would love to hear the debate.

by vrt2 on Jun 24, 2010 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Until AH gets us a Super Bowl, he’s still shite!
The comparison is fun for sure, but not all together the same. Riggins endeared himself to fans. He loved being a Redskin when he came back, he played his butt off and carried that team (although literally carried other teams on his way to the end zone). When AH comes back, plays his butt off, endears himself to the fans, and most importantly, brings us some Lombardi trophies, then we can make those comparisons.

by monk81 on Jun 24, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haynesworth's mediocre season??

A number of writers in the media have commented on Haynesworth’s 2009 performance. It has also been pointed out that last season may have been his 3rd best performance. It is like, if a story is repeated often enough it becomes the “truth.” [The same could be said of Andre Carter’s play in the 3-4 which may not of had the numbers that he had with the previous 4-3 with the 49er’s but was not bad by NFL standards.] But back to Haynesworth, he did play 72% of the defensive snaps in his 12 games. Goldston play 57% of the snaps, but played all 16 games. (Fletcher played 1055 of all defensive snaps = 1069) The problem was Haynesworth missed 4 games (week 11, 12, 14, and 17). Except for the game against the Raiders in week 14, neither Carter nor Orakapo had any sacks when Haynesworth was not in the lineup (weeks 11. 12, and 17). Did they miss Haynesworth or not?

by Jefferson1935 on Jun 24, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again,

great observations supported with data, Jefferson.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jun 25, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're right, "mediocre" is too harsh

What I meant was mediocre by his standards. He had a good season compared to most DTs in the NFL, but there’s no way he played as well last season as he did the two previous years. Put it this way: if Haynesworth played every year in TN like he did last year, does he have multiple teams offering him $100 million contracts? Of course not. It may have been his third best season, but he was really only dominant for his last two years in TN, so that doesn’t say much.

I also think he gets way too much credit for Orakpo’s and especially Carter’s sack totals. True, they didn’t get any sacks when he was out except against Oakland, but they combined for 6 in that game. That’s almost a third of their combined total in one game, without Haynesworth.

Serious business.

by ThaRak on Jun 25, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

FINGERS CROSSED

If AH does show up for camp on time and in shape….and plays hard….all this contract stuff will be forgotten (as it should be).
Riggins said he was “bored, broke and back” when he returned. Haynesworth may not be broke by July 29, but if he works like Riggo did, the ’Skins have a chance to be very special defensively!

by Tee L on Jun 24, 2010 6:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Riggins

I don’t think Riggo took money and sat out, he wasn’t paid the year he sat out

by bedog48 on Jun 24, 2010 7:40 AM EDT reply actions  

al haynesworth.....pity the tiny ego

ONLY because of his SIZE / ANGER …..I’m not sure that AH is a lot more than just a LUCKY ($$$$) guy! I dont see Love of the Game..AH is lazy and afraid of his own potential…afraid to WORK hard to Get in the Best shape Mentally /Physically .

I dont see Character ,Commitment , Courage things that allow one to appreciate Us rather than i , We rather than me…

.IF HE DID IN FACT DO WHAT HE STATED THAT HE IS GOING TO DO …THE SKINS WOULD BECOME ….THE TEAM , this year..

.If he is LYING and not realizing the FULL weight of this type of distraction , He should offically be Confirmed as No Less than a TRAITOR….and the TEAM should quickly Move On

i hope that i am wrong

sbredskinsnabb

by sbredskinsnabb on Jun 24, 2010 8:18 AM EDT reply actions  

The word "ridiculous"

Doesn’t even properly describe this whole Haynesworth debacle. I’m not even sure what to think about all of this anymore.

However, this “news” is from Florio and a “reader” who tipped him off, so I’m not sure if I can truly accept this bit of info yet. I can only hope that this is Florio being Florio and isn’t true, at least for Haynesworth’s sake.

by bigrm18 on Jun 24, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

It appears you'd be right...the article he link CLEARLY states
Contract dispute involving a real estate development company in which the Tennessee Titans’ Albert Haynesworth is a shareholder (though he and that company are not parties to the lawsuit)

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 24, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Florio just tweeted back he is on for the hook for this suit

Haynesworth’s name is on the docket…not sure what to believe.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 24, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

When it comes to Florio

It’s usually best to believe the opposite of what he says.

by bigrm18 on Jun 24, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

He calls it a $100 million paternity suit from the stripper

I guess with Florio only being off by a 0 is pretty good.

Serious business.

by ThaRak on Jun 25, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think it's possible

this is why he didn’t report to mini-camp? Maybe he’s in so much trouble right now with all this crap, and he doesn’t want to omit it, he just said he wasn’t reporting and wanted a trade to just push back showing up a little longer…. Either way, he’s a fat tard, but just a thought.

by tmarine17 on Jun 24, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could read stories from the old guard all day long

Thats the only reason I listened intently to Riggins radio show. I could even the same stories over and over again. Never get enough of those stories.

by monk81 on Jun 24, 2010 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe Haynesworth will feel "virtually broke"

by all these lawsuits and realize his best course is to come back, make amends, play hard and then, if he still wants to, seek a trade next year. I believe that was offered to him by Shanny.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jun 24, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Long time reader, seldom poster, but I feel this is a very important post

I’m a teenager, so I wasn’t alive for the Redskins superbowl days. But what I do know is that practically anything that comes from Gibbs’ mouth about this team is valuable. I don’t know the story of John Riggins in full, so it would be nice if someone would enlighten me (from a fan’s perspective, not wikipedia). Gibbs worked for Snyder, and although he wasn’t there for Haynesworth, he understood Snyder and Vinny’s philosophy.

Now to be honest, I’ve been reading Hogs Haven for a while, and recently the Haynesworth debacle has just been stretched out and is getting pretty tiring. That’s not to say that anything Kevin or Ken are doing is wrong, in fact (hate to be a suck up), it’s been great. The problem is, it just makes me angrier and angrier. It may just be that I’m naive, but I’m working this summer, and if I don’t show up, I don’t get paid…shouldn’t it be like that for Haynesworth? Unfortunately, the world is much more complicated than that. I love football as much as the next person, but the fact is the guy got paid $41 million to play a game. Football is a game. Besides the fact that I don’t think anyone should be paid that kind of money for playing a game, it’s also a travesty that he could get paid that much and not even show up for his job.

I’m digressing here, but to get back to the point, Gibbs must be depressed by what his former team has become. This storied franchise has been run into the ground by the signings of Haynesworth and others, but I’m hoping Shanahan and Allen can resurrect it. Since I was old enough to understand football, this team has ranged from bad to mediocre — nothing more.

It’s just hard growing up in a world of greed. I know that sounds superficial, but guys like Haynesworth give football and society a bad name. Then you have stand-up, ethical guys like Joe Gibbs, to be totally cliched, it gives me hope. Maybe we can get over this mess — everyone tells me anything’s possible — but I just don’t know. I hope we can learn from guys like Gibbs, I really do. I hope Haynesworth will stop acting like a jerk and a first-class idiot, but I certainly have my doubts.

I just rambled a ton here, but I’m just trying to get out my thoughts.

I'm back. YAY SUMMER!

by DCO'sfan on Jun 25, 2010 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Actually, very nice job there DCO.

Unfortunately, greed has become an excuse for really, really bad behavior in our society and a lot of people have suffered from it. I hope at some point we will get to the point where it is cool and the right thing to be wealthy monetarily and socially/spiritually, where it’s not all about “me.” I’m afraid we have a long way to go between the excesses of popular artists (movie stars, singers,etc.) and corporate snakes (Enron dudes and Ponzi-style investor rapists, etc.).

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Jun 25, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

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