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Jammal Brown, a Fathers Day Gift That Keeps on Giving
by Tiller56 on Jun 20, 2010 9:10 AM EDT
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For those fathers who woke to the news of the trade of former Saints Pro Bowl offensive tackle Jamal Brown to the Washington Redskins, I say happy fathers day to you. To quote cousin Eddie from Christmas Vacation, "that's the gift that keeps on giving".
Well, it seems this time that the Washington Redskins didn't come away with a years subscription to the Jelly of the Month Club. Instead, we got the Christmas Bonus we as loyal fans have been so deserving of for our years of loyalty to this team. We now get to put in that hugh inground pool, that up until this point, we didn't have enough money in the bank to cover the check we wrote. That pool is one Mr. Donovan McNabb, who was brought to Washington to resurrect a beleaguered franchise. But what good is a pool, if the check we wrote to have it installed is going to bounce. Well, hopefully the Redskins front office will not have to face that problem. Maybe now, the pool will be installed as soon as the ground thaws, and we can focus on just adding water. After that, its all fun and games.
The addition of Jamal Brown adds significant water to a pool that was viewed by many as being half empty. This recent downpour just helped raise the water level to at least cover the pretty floral designs that grace the top of the liner. We can now use the diving board without concern of cracking our skull in water that was previously considered too shallow. Does this mean that when your 300lb uncle decides to do a canon-ball at the next family party, that the waters will spew so greatly that uncle Lewis' cigar will be extinguished from over 30 feet away; I don't think so, but at least he wont break his fat ass as he plunges to the bottom of the 9 foot deep end.
Brown was a two-time Pro Bowl tackle(2006, 2008), for the Saints, who have had a very good offensive line for the last 5 years. Up until injury forced him out of the line-up in 2009, he had played in, and started 15 of 15 games dating back to 2006. He is only 29 years old, and has played in, and started 58 career game, all for the Saints. He should be a bookend tackle for the next 4-5 years for the Redskins. His addition gives the Redskins two Oklahoma Sooners manning the two tackle positions.
His return from injury(Brown had both hip and groin surgery for a sports hernia) will be the key to this whole scenerio for the Redskins. I would imagine that Allen and Shanahan did their homework before trading for Brown, so the injury concerns should be minimized in the minds of fans. You can, however, never predict how a player will return from such injuries, and if that return will elevate that player to the status he once enjoyed as one of the elite tackles in the game.
Either way, the Redskins should become a much better offensive unit with the addition of Brown.
Eventhough it was the Jelly of the Month Club, that was viewed as "the gift that keeps on giving", it appears we didn't get hosed on this deal. So, happy Fathers day to all the Redskins Dads out there! I hope you enjoy the gift that the Redskins have given you; a gift that should keep on giving for years to come
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With the exception of the Gaither talk
early in free agency, the Brown acquisition is better than I could have hoped for, but still I didn’t think Allen and Shanahan would stand pat before the beginning of September.
The Haynesworth stuff had me in a blue funk, but this trade more than offset it. By the time the 2011 regular season rolls around
the average age of the Skins will come down. There will be more free agents added next season (provided that the NFL will play in 2011) good players with experience but under 30 years of age without breaking the bank.
All of the above (on the poll)
Entertaining post Tiller! (not to mention great subject matter) I did not realize that they were both Sooners, possibly a huge bonus just by adding a camaraderie, which leads to communication and right on into continuity, which will hopefully be contagious. Continuity along our OL? woooo-hooo!!!
good news indeed!!
Take care of that foot bro…..
Thanks Magic
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
Always a longshot with a guy returning from injury
But a shot I’m definitely willing to take, and at this point the shot we needed to take. Only time will tell if this trade works out or goes down as another old injury prone lineman who can’t make it past game 5. I have to be pessimistic given the injury history, but this could turn out to be a brilliant move if he can start even 80% of games at the quality of play that he has displayed prior to injury. Always a question mark with these injured guys though.
Kurt
Only thing here is that Brown is not an old guy. 29 in age, but only has 4 full seasons of PT under his belt. 3 of those seasons he played in and started 15 games. He has 1 year out of the grind, which should prob serve him pretty well. In his interview with the post, he talkes about how he could have come back for the Saints playoff run last year, and how he has grown even more hungry from being out of football for 1 year.
I think we got a helluva player here, for a pittance.
The injury is always something to be concerned with, but with linemen, they aren’t as heavily effected by an injury like this, a say a RB or DB would be. Dr Andrews cleared him last december to play, and also was present during his physical with the Redskins.
Lets keep our fingers crossed here, but I have a feeling we got the better end of this deal.
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
Wait a minute
The Redskins drafted an offensive lineman with their first round draft choice and added a top tier lineman through free agency. In addition they added a top 10 QB in D. McNabb. These moves actually seem to make sense, and we have come away with the best of two trades this season. Could it be that the Redskins are finally seeing the light now that Vinny is gone? I had us at 6-10 this year, but this moves puts me at 8-8. We are moving in the right direction here. Heyer can now move to versatile backup o-lineman where he belongs and we have some depth with experience. This is certainly a good day!! McNabb will certainly love this move too which can only motivate him.
You make a good point with Heyer
Both he and Hicks can provide excellent depth as swing back-ups, of in the case of Hicks, maybe even a starter at G. I was nervous coming into the offseason with our depth in general at all positions, but the staff has done an excellent job addressing this concern.
Here is our projected O-Line 2 deep:
LT – Williams, Heyer
LG – Dock, Cook
C – Rabach, Litch
RG – Williams, Reinhardt
RT – Brown, Hicks
Thing is, having Hicks in our line-up allows us to have a guy that can back-up, or start at both G positions and RT. Thats a huge luxury to have. Heyer, also can play both T positions in a pinch. Litch can play both C or G.
I’m wondering if somehow Reinhardt could be the odd man out this year if he doesn’t have a strong preseason. He was playing pretty well last year before the broken leg, however the new staff has no ties to him what-so-ever.
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
Capers
recently signed a 4-year, $1.84 million deal. I would imagine he factors in there somewhere as a backup (for now).
Only thing with Capers is
who does his displace?
Hicks?, Don’t think so
Heyer?, Maybe
If he makes the 53man roster, I expect him to be one of the innactives.
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LT
I really hate to think of Heyer ever being our LT, or playing at all. But it raises a good question – who does back up LT? Maybe Hicks, or move Brown over, putting Hicks at RT, Capers backing them up. BMW thinks he can play RT, too, but I guess everybody thinks he’s found his niche at RG.
Capers is supposed to be a long term project, right?
That is what I heard. That is fantastic! He won’t be thrown to the wolves, and that bodes well for our future!!!!!
A good feeling is finally coming over me!!!!!!
Having a potential starting O-lineman
Waiting in the wings and being able to develop for the future is a strange, strange feeling. Yet, it’s a feeling I’ve always wanted.
Capers
Slightly surprised that you all are so dismissive of Capers. Do teams usually spend more than a year developing starting linemen? I sort of thought that if they were ever going to be good, they’d do it pretty fast. Most second and third stringers last year (E. Williams, Montgomery, Batiste, Rinehart, Robinson…) are still that, or gone. I don’t remember any recent starter “developing” slowly, Is Capers that far behind Trent Williams? I do remember some of those stats (like bench presses) where Capers didn’t show too well, suggesting he isn’t as strong as most OL guys. But generally, if he is ever going to be better than (say) Heyer, he is better than him now. O-line is not rocket science. I’d think that a guy can learn what he’s supposed to do in a few months. The problem is – doing it. A guy is either good, or he isn’t. This is just an amateur opinion. What do you guys and Tiller think?
On Capers
In college, O-line is the toughest position to project when looking at high school kids that are being recruited by D1 schools. Even a blue-chipper usually takes at least a year of weight room, and practice squad, before they crack the 2 deep. Sometimes linemen don’t develop until they are in their Junior seasons.
When I relate this to the NFL, it does have some parallels. First, the linemen need to get up to the speed of the NFL game. This is usually the steepest learning curve for rookies. Second, the strength and conditioning program they were in at their college is going to be drastically different than that of the NFL. Most college linemen play 12 games in a season. In the NFL, they have 16, plus 4 preseason games, that most of the young guys see a lot of time in. This takes a lot of time getting used to. Third, and most important, is the refinement of their technique. In college, some of these guys were just so much better than their competition, that they could get away with poor technique, because of supreme overall talent. In the NFL, coaches need to break the rookie of the bad habbits, and teach them new techniques to overcome the speed of the NFL. Only a handful, like Joe Thomas, can come into the league NFL ready. He is the exception, not the rule.
As for Capers, the coaches will look at overall potential when comparing him to a guy like Heyer. I would imagine Heyer, at the present, would be far advanced form Capers from a strength, skill and technique standpoint. Thast not to say capers won’t be a better prospect over time, but right now, he may not be on that level. A year in the Redskins system(especially in the strength and conditioning program) will do a kid like this a world of good.
I hate going back to this point, but it rings very true. Just watching Capers in the senior bowl, led me to believe he was not quite ready for the highest level of competition. He will certainly be facing much better week in and week out in the NFL, so if he couldn’t handle the top college seniors, he isn’t ready to take on the best of the NFL, at least not just yet. You need look no further than Winston Justice(who IMO was far more advanced coming out of college than Capers), to illistrate my point.
Hope this helps.
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Heyers versus Capers
The surprising thing about the 2009 Redskins offensive line was the success running to the right. According to Football Outsiders the Skins were the 5th ranked NFL team in Adjusted Line Yards at right tackle blocking (4.60; 5 ). They followed the NYJ (5.06; 1), SD (4.79; 2), Lions (4.71; 3), and NO (4.63; 4).
The implication is that Heyer was at least doing well at run blocking. Yet I doubt that Heyer’s pass protection blocking will ever improve since he lacks quickness. On the other hand, Capers has the short distance speed (4th best 10 yard time in the 2009 Combines for offensive tackles) and at least has the potential to run block at the second level which is important in zone blocking. It is true that he did not have the best bench reps, but neither did T. Williams.
Winston Justice is a good example of improvement with experience. Last season he was considered one of the most reliable Eagles offensive linemen. It did take him 4 years to get to that level. Five games and no starts in 2008, but 16 games and starts in 2009. He was the 8th rated pass protection blocker in 2009, but still not that great at run blocking. In 2008 and 2007 he only played 25 and 52 offensive snaps respectively. Hopefully Capers will not take that long to develop, but 7th round OL (nor UDFA) picks do not get 4 years to show their stuff. Oldenberg (2007 rookie and quite strong), Montgomery (2006 rookie), and Robinson (2008 rookie) are a few OL near the end of their rope.
by Jefferson1935 on Jun 22, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Jeff - interesting
One oddity – when Jon Jansen and Heyer were competing for RT, my memory is that Jon was supposed to be better at run blocking and Stephon better at pass blocking (maybe because he was bigger?). I get the definite impression that Heyer turned out to be very spotty at pass blocking. So that’s why I’m not too hot on Stephon.
I remember
something along those lines too
my memory is that Jon was supposed to be better at run blocking and Stephon better at pass blocking
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
*blinks*
OMG. Is that…. is that… do we actually have ok depth on offensive line!? holy hell!
Here is our projected O-Line 2 deep:
LT – Williams, Heyer
LG – Dock, Cook
C – Rabach, Litch
RG – Williams, Reinhardt
RT – Brown, Hicks
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Where's Capers?
I think Reinhardt is a gonner.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 21, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Looking at the bigger picture:
The Skins currently have 15 offensive linemen. They will probably keep 10 on the 53 man roster so that there is now a surplus of 5 OL.
Below and to the right of each player I have indicated X for makes roster, C for cut, and ? for questionable. For a few there C?. This is just my opinion before the pads go on, training camp, and the preseason games.
61 Rabach, Casey C 6-4 295 8 Wisconsin 09-24-1977 X
58 Cook, Erik C/G 6-6 318 R New Mexico 07-05-1987 ?
63 Montgomery, Will C/G 6-3 305 4 Virginia Tech 02-13-1983 C
50 Williams, Edwin C/G 6-3 315 1 Maryland 12-10-1986 C
66 Dockery, Derrick G 6-6 326 7 Texas 09-07-1980 X
78 Lichtensteiger, Kory G 6-3 295(310)2 Bowling Green 03-22-1985 C? Played very little OL (FB)
75 Hicks, Artis G/T 6-4 335 8 Memphis 11-28-1978 X
77 Rinehart, Chad G/T 6-5 310 2 Northern Iowa 05-04-1985 C?
71 Williams, Mike G/T 6-6 337 6 Texas 01-11-1980 X
70 Brown, Jammal OT 6-6 313 5 Oklahoma 03-30-1981 X 6/19/10
60 Capers, Selvish OT 6-4 308 R West Virginia 12-13-1985 X
74 Heyer, Stephon OT 6-6 330 3 Maryland 01-16-1984 X?
68 Oldenburg, Clint OT 6-5 310 1 Colorado State 09-09-1983 C
73 Robinson, William OT 6-6 297 2 San Diego State 12-20-1984 C
72 Williams, Trent T 6-5 314 R Oklahoma 08-19-1988 X
by Jefferson1935 on Jun 21, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
IDK if Capers contributes as a rookie
I think he needs time to get stronger and refine his footwork.
Why do you think Reinhardt is a gonner? He was playing well before his injury last season.
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My guess is that Litch will not make the 53 man roster
and Capers will ,but he’ll be inactive most games. Cook will be groomed for the center spot if E Williams can back up Rabach.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jun 21, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't see any way Edwin Williams make this team
but I’ve been wrong before.
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The thing I like about Hicks is he can play both guard positions and RT
Plus last year he even played some LT. He’s not a great starter but he’s great for plugging a hole midgame. Say if Williams rolls his ankle then Hicks can step in for a series or 2 so they don’t have to move the whole O-line around mid drive. If anyone on the right side gets banged up then Hicks is there. I was worried about Hicks starting cuz he’s not all that great but as a utility guy he’s very valuable. Plus since he can play so many positions we might be able to keep 1 less O-lineman active on game day. Since we might be bringing 3 RB’s active every game who don’t play teams that extra spot could be huge.
by BayAreaBullet on Jun 21, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree,
that’s why I didn’t want Hicks starting and have said we were still missing a tackle IMO…but that’s fixed now
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jun 22, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Next move
Package Haynesworth and Landry together and get whatever you can get for those two jackasses.
You know what also funny
Our starting O-line could potentially have 2 Texas Longhornes, and 2 Oklahoma Sooners; two of the biggest rivals in college football playing on the same team.
Don't ever let failure get you down. Remember, a very successful major league hitter failes 70% of the time.
I actually posted about this back in March
saying we should try to get him. I think it’s a great move! Still young and I don’t think his injury’s are something that will hinder him for the rest of his career. It’s not like he blew a knee out or broke an ankle.
http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/3/5/1358132/what-about-jammal-brown-from-the
great stuff...i just tweeted that crediting u
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 21, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Objective Views...
I asked my friend the Jets fan (who knows something about having a sweet OL you can count on) – “Good move by you guys. There are no guarantees, but you can’t expect to get a much better deal than that for Pro-Bowl potential on your OL.”
Asked my friend the 49ers fan – “I can’t believe the moves you guys are pulling off this off-season. I know you have a bad history with FAs, but this year it feels different. Brown? Kind of a badass. Your line is not a laugher anymore. You may have great tackles for the next 5 years.”
And subjective views from the Saints message boards:
“We got fleeced!”
“The Skins took it to us again (from the one trade in the vinny era that we actually got good value, getting the Saints entire draft for the chance at Ricky Williams)”
“How did that idiot Snyder take Loomis to the woodshed? Embarassing (Maybe because Allen is the one calling the shots?)”
“Only a 3rd or 4th for a ProBowl LT? AND we have to give a pick back!?! (haha yup, no CBA sucks sometimes!)”
“We got the best value we could and moved on.”
by CapitalDominion on Jun 21, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions
Trade
I think the Saints may simply have not wanted to pay so much for a backup tackle, especially an unhappy one. They lived without him for a year, so just let him go.
And they got their ring.
A little cocky?
Tiller
I think it it time for an article about staying away from talking about Fat Al. We no longer need the negativity that has surrounded this franchise for a LONG time. For the next month it is time for only the positives!!!! GO REDSKINS!!!!!!!!
Point well taken Brett
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Positive on Albert?
He might come to camp in great shape and out to show how great he is. That would be positive. Not till the end of July, however, a long hot summer away. That’s negative.
might come to camp".....
and Dennis Kucinich might be president in 2013
AH isn’t going to be on this team in mid July
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