That's What He Said: Dissecting Haynesworth and His Agent's Statements
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 16, 2010 12:56 AM EDT
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Update 11:32AM: Via @redskinsblog, "Coach Shanahan says team told Haynesworth he could seek trade being released until 4/1, but if you take that check we expect him to play any position...he decided to take our check and we're very disappointed he wasn't here today...All our players play multiple positions...Albert hasn't been here, he has no idea what kind of defense we're running. "
I am usually one to wait for as many facts as possible before writing on emotions, but with Haynesworth and his agent releasing statements, it's on.
Let's start with Albert's agent, Chad Speck's words:
"The Redskins are trying to establish a new regime with new schemes at Redskins Park, and it is not an organization that Albert would have ever been attracted to just a short year ago - regardless of the money," agent Chad Speck said in a phone interview. He has made it clear to me that he does not want to play for the Washington Redskins."
Yes, Chad...that happens when you go 4-12. Would Albert really prefer to play another year under Zorn and Blache?? This is a load of crap. He got paid, and he doesn't want to have to put in the grueling effort that a Super Bowl coach and ball-buster like Mike Shanahan demands. If it's regardless of the money, then give back the $21 million bonus the Redskins gave Albert 2 months ago and we'll gladly cut him and move on - no harm. Oh what? He wants to keep it. GFY. Who wouldn't want to play under Mike Shanahan with guys like Orakpo and Andre Carter on either side of you. This is a team sport.
"This situation will be a distraction to the Redskins and to Albert and his teammates. I am certain [head coach] Mike [Shanahan] and [General Manager] Bruce [Allen] want to get the most out of their first year and it's probably in everyone's best interests for the Redskins to make a deal and trade Albert."
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE SH!TTING ME. You wait the DAY before mandatory camp to make this statement? How is that not a distraction for his teammates now??? There really couldn't be worse timing. Not only that, your client led all his teammates on that he would be here via text. You are a sham as is your client. No one is buying this.
Now, let's look at Haynesworth's comments...
"The Washington Redskins are a great and storied franchise with an owner in Mr. Snyder that will do anything in his power to win and a fan base that is unrivaled in the NFL."
Yes, and thanks for nothing maintaining that "great and storied" part. You don't know anything about this franchise, so don't BS me by blowing smoke up our ass like you do. You saw the Redskins fan-base at its worst with poor showings and booing the home team. That line is the biggest softball I've seen and it's clear you did not write it.
When I signed here after meeting all day with the staff and top executives, and talked about the defense that we would run and what my role would be, I was assured I would have the freedom to play to my strengths and I was excited about the future. After many years in the NFL, I know what it takes for me to perform at my highest level. My number one goal has always been to help my team win -period.
Guess what? Things change. How about give it a chance. What hurts coming to camp and running through some drills with the coaches and players - THEN deciding? $100 million can't give "the most storied franchise" even that? You just stated your #1 goal is having the freedom to play to your strengths...again, stop BS'ing me that it's to help your team win. That again is another bloody lie.
It's also important at my position to help free my teammates to make plays, which I've done throughout my career when I've been allowed to play to my strengths. I will continue to work individually to prepare for training camp and the start of the 2010 season."
The 3-4 defensive linemen's job is solely to make plays to free your teammates. And for the 400 millionth time, this team will still use 4-3 fronts. You're lazy, and you're stalling to get your ass back in shape. As much as I hate gold diggers (like the one you knocked up), you are now the poster boy for it.
What's really frustrating about this entire situation is that this is the last minicamp before training camp. As Doc Walker mentioned yesterday, this 3 days of practice is meant for Shanahan to set the tone for players to continue to work hard with their month of July off. What a terrible way to break from camp. One of the the intrical parts to Carter and Sackpo's seasons is no longer part of the team. Shanahan originally planned to give the last day of practice off to the players for all their hard work so far. We'll have to see what happens next. Never a dull moment in Ashburn.
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But I will finally admit being wrong. I really thought that, in the end, this would all be much ado about nothing. I figured Fat Albert would show up, see how much potential the defense has, and end up happy. Or at least OK with it.
But now I see that greedy bastard doesn’t care about nothing but dollars and donuts. Winning? Yeah right. The reason he came here last year was because he saw a coach who he could walk all over, and a front office that would turn the other way while he did it. Now that he has a coach who will treat him like anyone else, not the “special” way he’s used to. Well, that won’t work for him. Why should he have to actually EARN his contract?
So now its the teams turn to make a statement. Personally, I’m hoping Snyder takes a page outta the Laverneous Coles Book of Discontented Prima Dona’s. Buy Fat Albert a nice big screen, a year’s supply of Doritos and Twinkies, then watch him eat his greedy was outta the league. Or, better yet, give him a few LiteBrites from the old stadium screen, and let him watch the games on that.
by CJHutch on Jun 16, 2010 1:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Great pic
I may have to actually order that jersey cuz it will never go out of date.
This guy is really a piece of work, we really should just sit him and let him eat himself out of the league. They shouldnt even try to convince him to play. Suspend him now for the rest of the season and bar him from all team facilities. He’s a cancer, a pu$$y and someone we should, literally, shit on…like, literally. Would you take that for $31 million and a year off? Fair trade i say.
I am also physically ill when the thought occurred to me that i actually defended this guy. Shame on me. I should have seen this coming.
Haynesworthless
Repeat Post
As I have said before: Trade him to a 3-4 team, the worst one you can find, in the worst NFL city that fits. Take whatever you can get in return.
short and sweet..
whatever fans albert had backing him has just left the building. he had alot of people in his corner, i bet not any more. i say let the redskins keep him on the roster, fine his stupid lazy ass and either make him play or make this his retirement. piece of shit
Get this fat SOB out of Washington!
This situation isn’t going to just fix itself. Fat Albert will be a distraction if he joins the team, or decides to hold out. It now puts the Redskins in a precarious situation. Other teams know that Haynesworth doesn’t want to play in Washington. Teams also realize that the Redskins tried to move him before and during the draft. His value is now diminished because of what has transpired in the last 24 hours.
We need to hold firm on our stance with him, at least to help maintain his value via trade. If the organization comes out and sayes they are actively seeking a trade for Al, his value will diminish greatly. Shany and Allen should fine the shit out of the fat bastard, and maintain that he will remain with the Redskins until his contract expires. If he chooses to sit out of training camp, them we fine him the max of 16,000 per day, and go after some of the signing bonus(eventhough we can try to re-clain only 5 mil of that.
Then, behind the scenes, and without much ado, we seek out a trade partner for the Fat Man. It needs to be at least a 3rd round pick. Anything less would be an insult. If I were the Redskins, I would hang on to him as long as possible, waiting for an injury to a key defensive tackle on another team(ala the Jason Taylor situation), so we are able to maximize our value for him.
Either way, I don’t want to see him play a down for us in 2010, or any year after that. I hope he doesn’t show his face at Redskins Park this offseason. This relationship is damaged beyond repair. I just hope we do the smart thing here, and get the most we can for this POS.
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1 problem with your plan Tiller,
I can’t think of a team other than the Lions or Bucs that would value a 43 DT that highly. We’re the only team stupid enough……….wait!..quick, get Chicago on the phone!
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jun 16, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The Redskins deserve equal blame if not all of it...
How do you give a guy a $21million bonus with no guarantees he has to show up for anything or give it back if he doesn’t. Fits in with the Zorn era nicely that no one is accountable for their actions.
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Interesting part
Precedent has been set where teams can recoup a portion of signing bonuses when a player does not play, the interesting part is when the Redskins made the 21 million “payment” this year did they do so as a signing bonus and therefor a majority of the 21 million which would not have been available is now available?
It will be interesting to see how this plays out,…
Yea, I emailed JI Halsell...
Who used to be a salary cap expert for the Redskins. He said it’s unlikely the Skins will get anything back.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 16, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the money doesn't matter...
To Allen or to Snyder. Actually, I would argue that it is better to pay the man now in a year with no cap than to hold out hope that he does something so egregious that we can ask for money back.
Now that his contract is much smaller (starting in 2011) since the bonuses are pretty much paid out, he becomes easier to trade/release.
by TerroristFistJab on Jun 16, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree 100%
I think it fits in with the Snyderatto era in that they overpay for headaches.
The best way to deal with this...
He’s already taken us for 21 million dollars. Keep him on the roster and fine him , but fine him harder then BP should be fined. Send a message to all these players who are trying to pull this stuff. It is just getting silly. I at least understand Revis, Johnson, Wayne, and Andre asking for more money…but sitting out because your lazy and can’t walk all over your boss is a problem.
I like this idea the best!
I don’t care what it takes, if he doesn’t give back that bonus then keep him on the team and fine him hard until they get back some of that money. F*** AH! I don’t care if he sits out all year and doesn’t play. He won’t be a distraction if Shanahan doesn’t answer questions about him.
Let him come to practice everyday and let the rest of his team bust his balls. Everyone else has to be pissed to hear this. Make fun of him everyday at practice and let him go home feeling like the fat jackass he his. Whatever it takes.
+100,000,000
I have a hundred million reasons to agree with this!
great IDEA
Fine him hard from day one! Set it up so if he comes to practice, he can eat ho-hos and sit in an air conditioned (or just with a fan blowing on him) golf cart, while the other players run suicides. Turn him into the hated, give the team a common enemy. LOL Brilliant! Only separate and divide him.
by Blueblood27 on Jun 16, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
They should treat him like the the Eagles did TO
Hainsworth is ridiculous, if you really don’t want to play for the Skins, don’t take their money! Dan Snyder’s rep has been out there for years, so you can’t act like you didn’t know he might go another direction.
by Late for Dinner on Jun 16, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
sitting on a golf cart?
or laying down, pretending to be injured, so he can start practicing again in a half hour after he catches his breath? Isn’t that what he was famous for in games last year; getting carted off the field not because he was hurt, but because he was too lazy to walk 30 yards?
Yurp...
Let him stay on the roster…fine him every single day…let every player see him on the sideline walking around looking hard or sitting on a bench drinking 5-Hour Energy shots so that he is the common enemy that sparks a fire under our team…let him miss how much he loves football while he has these paternity cases and civil suits looming over his head with no outlet to free his mind…
You do not want to play this game with Snyder, Shanahan and Allen, Al…
Complete and utter BS!!!!!!!!!
This is ridiculous. When did being an employee of someone (Haynesworth is an employee of Snyder) mean you could collect your paycheck and not show up for work? Trade him if possible, although that will be tough. Cut him, at this point I couldn’t care less if we get anything in return. Shanahan, please please please do not cave to this fool. Keep doing what your doing and let B. Allen figure out how to get rid of him.
Forget about finding your perfect match, I want a website where you can find your perfect arch-nemesis
When you get paid a ton of money for 12 months of work
and the rest of the deal isn’t written in stone.
When did being an employee of someone mean you could collect your paycheck and not show up for work?
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
If we cant get REAL value for him, I think its best to deactivate him and keep him on the roster for the life of the contract. Keep him out of football and doing what he does. It will eat him up inside and I suspect he’ll act like so much like a child, that when he does leave via FA, no team will want him. Also ruining his legacy, that supposedly he is so worried about.
by TheOverLordMarshl on Jun 16, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions
SERIOUSLY
DON’T TRADE HIM
DON’T CUT HIM
LEAVE HIS ASS ON THE BENCH… PUT HIS ASS ON THE INACTIVE LIST EVERY GAME FOR THE NEXT 6 YEARS
that’s the treatment he deserves
I agree
Simply giving in to his demands just lets him win. The Skins brain trust should be goin over that contract with a fine tooth comb, trying to find a way to fuck this guy like he just did us. I hate to say I hate players, BUT I FUCKING HATE THIS FAT OVERPAID PIECE OF SHIT! Fuck him and his agent
I agree 100%
He has destroyed his trade value by demanding a trade. We’ve already paid him most of the money of that contract. We might as well destroy any shred of a career he has left by making him sit out and not getting to pad his career stats. We then make him realize that A NOSE TACKLE GETS BETTER STATS THAN A BENCH WARMER…
by preppiejack on Jun 16, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
AMEN
Good idea! Eat the loss and simply put Fat Albert on the inactive list for every game!
Speck & FA sure do know how to win friends and influence people, don’t they?
ESPN reporting this morning that the Skins can recoup up to $25M in bonus money based on precedent. Didn’t mention the specific precedent, but Adam Schefter was saying they can get it back. I bet Al Davis knows how (he tried to get back money from fired / cut players and coaches, not lazy quitters). Here’s hoping the new brain trust in town never gets us back into this type of situation. AH is like the scar left on Enigo Montoya’s face to remember the 6-fingered man.
I'm the first to admit when I'm wrong.... except when someone else beats me to it.
by Backhanded Complement on Jun 16, 2010 9:23 AM EDT reply actions
don't be ashamed. Great movie.
brought me joy to see it referenced. Not enough joy to over come the realization that Haynesworth will not be helping out our defense because he doesn’t care about the team at all.
by RobtheRedskin on Jun 16, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I am wrong too...
To think I was on this guy`s side and thinking the media bull was just. I agree if no decent value in return gets anything for him, let him stay away, fine him and play hard ball by keeping him inactive. Sean Gilbert held out and the Skins did just that kept him inactive. Or let him be a free agent again and get compensation for losing him. We need first or second round picks anyway if we want to build a younger team of the future.
Untill he gives back that money you dont trade him
You keep him and put him through the toughest training camp of his life.
Unless the Titans (or any other team intrested in this headache) are willing to part ways with a first round pick, you keep Alberta Haynesworthless on the roster.
Haynesworth's comments when he was first signed
“Well, yeah, it’s a lot of money, but honestly I put more pressure on myself than what the contract would do. Because I have such high standards for myself that, you know, he could’ve given me half a billion dollars and it still wouldn’t’ve been the pressure that I put on myself. ‘Cause I expect myself to play at a high level and to dominate, and if I’m not making plays that people around me are making plays. So as far as the number, I mean, yeah, it’s great. Like I say, it’s awesome. I mean, don’t get me wrong, but … as far as the pressure? No.”
http://blog.redskins.com/2010/06/16/albert-haynesworth-apparently-not-attending-mandatory-sessions/
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This is the quote that burns me up the most....
The Redskins are trying to establish a new regime with new schemes at Redskins Park, and it is not an organization that Albert would have ever been attracted to just a short year ago – regardless of the money," agent Chad Speck said in a phone interview. He has made it clear to me that he does not want to play for the Washington Redskins.
HE HASN’T EVEN GIVEN IT A CHANCE! He sits on his ass playing PS3 all summer hiding from the woman he knocked up, pouting that he might have to line up in a position he doesn’t like SOMETIMES. They plan to use a mix of 3-4 and 4-3, but he has no idea what their schemes involve because he never even reported to camp! HE has absolutely no grounds to be disgruntled, none! Someone needs to cut this lazy SOB down to size.
Reason 8,027 why all press conferences/releases should be completely ignored.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Matt Bowen lays it out Shanny will do this the right way
Fine his ass out the wazoo.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Will-the-Skins-meet-Haynesworths-demands.html
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Love Bowen.
You want to get the attention of a player? It’s simple, go to his wallet.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Great article
This solution makes the most sense out of everything I have read/heard. Why?
Because…
players, no matter how much they make, don’t do well with fines. It is the best way—and the easiest way—to grab their attention. And that is exactly what this organization should do until he shows up.
Furthermore,
count on him showing up for training camp—because no one wants to give up $16,000 a day. Then, he will have to answer to his teammates and the real story will start to unfold.
The curse and blessing
Vinny keeps on giving
It’s over, Vinny’s legacy will be ALL the FA failures again and again and again
Goodbye Vinny it will be exciting when what you’ve done is no longer giving IT to Redskin fans
by dr WNC on Jun 16, 2010 10:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
gotcha
damned if it feels like he’s actually gone though.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
as Carver says
What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.
Accept for Vinny, that shit’ll come back with you.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Hmmmm
Is it wrong that I just got a mental image of Vinny as an STD?
No.
No its not.
Haynesworthless
I wonder what the half-life is of the
radioactive former GM who continues to provide cancers to this organization?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
No where near C-14
and obviously it’s not Rn-220, it’s already exceeded Se-75: Let’s hope it does not hang around for a decay of Sr-90
Vinny is like Jigsaw...
His work is never over…
We technically have him signed through what,
2016? He won’t have much of a chance to make his “Reggie White” legacy if he doesn’t get to play again for 6 or 7 years…. Do players who refuse to play eat up a spot on the 53 man roster?
No
He wouldn’t be on the “Play List”… he would be on the Reserved, “Did Not Report” list.
Big difference… he gets NO credit, so that 2016? If he doesn’t play, it doesn’t count.
I say fine him $1M a day. Sure, the Players Union will get their panties in a bunch. But with no contract at the end of the season, they have ZERO leverage. And I think the truth is that the Player’s Union won’t have much sympathy, either.
I think that the worst part
is that for someone dying for a trade, AH and his agent have made it virtually impossible to trade him. The Redskins have absolutely no leverage now that AH is refusing to appear. If he really wanted a trade, he should have showed up in tip-top shape and dominated this week.
our only luck is a Def Tackle on a playoff contender gets hurt in training camp
Orakpo is poised to have a monster season in this aggressive D and Haynesworth would have gotten a lot of the credit. Team player my ass.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 16, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Or a non playoff contender
Damn that’s right no one has hired Vinny!
by dr WNC on Jun 16, 2010 11:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At what point does this charade
become detrimental to the league and a conduct issue? Where is our fearless commissioner when we need him?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
This is DEF not going to help the CBA discussions.
Terrible timing for Albert to pull this off.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 16, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised...
If Speck told AH that his actions were making matters worse to the point where he would not be attractive in a trade offer and Al responded with, “Make it happen…or else I will find a new agent that CAN!!!!”…
As a fellow NFC East fan, I'll have to say that it's a shame that such a thing is happening...
Your team is pretty much stuck with that ish bag or they will release him.
Those are the only scenarios that I can see.
You can’t trade him because which team is going to agree to continue paying what he’s supposed to continue making? A trade partner has to continue paying his deal AND give a draft pick for such an underachiever? Not going to happen.
Your team can keep him and do what’s right, make him inactive for the whole year and pretty much screw any chance of him landing another rich deal in his shelf life.
I can see his release in the not so distant future of the Skins Front Office finds a way to recover some of the money…
But what I would like the most, is seeing your team taking his time while they attempt to recover their money while Worthless is inactive and released right after the 2nd game of the regular season, a time when veterans contracts are guaranteed for the whole season if they are on the roster.
Such a thing would set an example, would hurt Worthless chances of success this year and of any kind of major money in the foreseeable future.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
The rest of his guaranteed money is actually affordable.
You can’t trade him because which team is going to agree to continue paying what he’s supposed to continue making?
I think he’s owed like $15M over 3 years or something.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Bingo
3 years, $16 million, per Mike Florio.
by TerroristFistJab on Jun 16, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
AH - hardball
Yes, play hardball, fine him, meanwhile solicit offers for him. We could be pleasantly surprised by the bids in an auction: yes, other teams know we want to get rid of him, but there are probably a lot of teams who want him, and they might compete against each other. Meanwhile, any trade would be conditioned on him paying back the $21 million. Otherwise, he sits, forever – and how would that help his legacy? So – hardball, enforce the contract, go for the money, put him up for sale (“run it up the flagpole, see who salutes it”). Whether the Skins accept an offer would depend on the offer and Albert’s actions. Be willing to keep him sitting forever. We can’t let him get away with this idiotic ploy. By the way, on trades, I’d try for an offensive tackle to beef up the O’line, maybe even making it some kind of package deal.
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Absurd...
It seems like the skins actually tried to be straight with him. He wanted his cake and to eat it too. Unfortunately they don’t make cakes big enough to satisfy his lard ass.
by preppiejack on Jun 16, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
shanny's words were just smoke
for fat al. it’s all coming down to the fine print of his contract. it’s too bad because this distraction will be an anchor on the team all off season. as much as i want the skins to take it to fat al, i still think it would be better for the team and fans to sever this relationship asap. there will always be a market for his services as long as he’s healthy, fat or not. hell we gave fat mike williams a chance when he was 400+, so as much as i wish we could derail his career for this, i don’t think it’s worth the time or heartache.
don't know about everyone else
but i’d be willing to go through a bit more pain so we can fu**k this douchebag over for a few years.
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Locker room
I’d love to see Fat Albert grow a sack and show up to training camp that first day. Hopefully Phillip Daniels Gurode’s him. I really can;t imagine the Redskins players reactions.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 16, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I feel like our heart ache as fans has climaxed, and is now on the decline. Our rage, on the other hand, is just now building, and it doesn’t bring me any emotional relief to cut AH. He is dead to me now as a contributing Redskin, so now keeping him on the team and benching him for 16 games in 2010 will bring me much more satisfaction than letting him walk with the money and get paid to play somewhere else.
It’s principle. He signed a contract, took our money, and now doesn’t want to play for us. Fine. We took the pain of thinking he would help our defense dominate and the pain is done for us fans. Now we dish the pain to AH and don’t let him play football.
by RobtheRedskin on Jun 16, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd have no problem trading him...
…to the cowgirls so gurode can stomp him back in the locker room every day and big trent and rabach can chop block him out of the league twice a year.
AH statements
His statement is a pathetic attempt to suggest that the Skins are the bad guys, they broke the contract, so he shouldn’t have to give the money back. Absolute nonsense, the Skins didn’t break the contract. The Skins best tack is total hardball, no compromises, no discussion. Get his ass back here and start playing, or else.
AH - broke the faith
Up to this stunt, he hadn’t done anything wrong. But now he’s lied, and broken the trust and faith expected of a professional football player. Now – no sympathy, no mercy.
I'm looking forward to Riggins' comments on this.
Too bad he’s still not doing his drunken youtube rants.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 16, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
FAT ALBERT
I say get about five big defensive linemen from our guys sneak up behind FAT ALBERT throw a blanket over him AND START BEATING HIM WITH A FOOTBALL HELMENT like blanket party AND TAKE OUT BOTH HIS KNEES .
Am I the only one who also blames
Shanahan and Allen?
They should have never paid 21 million up front to a player of questionable character and motivation without having a trade in place.
Hell, the entire world saw this coming except for all the kool-aid drinkers here…and all we did was bitch about the media making the story.
The team made this mess, Shanahan, Snyder, Vinny and Allen are all complicit.
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I don't blame them....
Whoever wrote that contract should be crucified. NO ONE was going to pay that $21 million roster bonus, so that made Haynesworth untradeable (early). Skins were damned either way.
Once they paid it to him, it was understood he wanted to be a part of this team. Skipping voluntary camps is allowed…this is just flat out dirty business what he pulled. Players under contract are not allowed to holdout.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 16, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The contract was made under Zorn
Shanny and Allen had nothing to do with it, and Danny knows how to stick to his word. Albert is in the wrong.
by brettpedigo on Jun 16, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, that's what i was saying, too
Shanny and Allen aren’t the ones to blame.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 16, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
brettpedigo,
come on man! The contract was originally made by Snyderrato not Zorn, what about Al’s contract says “stay medium” to you?
Shanahan and Allen rewrote the contract this year to try to clear cap in an uncapped year but misjudged the character of the player badly
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jun 16, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm talking about the bonus conversion
made by Allen a few months ago….The original contract was dumb enough, it was made dumber by Allen. The only good reason would have been to facilitate a trade.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jun 16, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
the contract itself made Albert untradeable though
Skins had to eat that $21 million no matter what….made sense to try and keep him.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 16, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
if we weren't going to trade him,
then we should not have redone the bonus….we set ourselves up for this to happen.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jun 16, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
what do you mean "redone the bonus"?
The bonus was never redone. His original contract stated he got $21 mil April 1st of this year. No team wanted a part of that.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 16, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Redone
As in it was reworded to be a signing bonus and setup in such a way as to not be pro-rated over the length of the contract so all 21 mil hits this year and this year alone
But the dollars are the same…AH time to put your money where your mouth is…
signing bonus, exactly....thanks dr
we gave the man a huge advance on his guaranteed money that would have otherwise been parceled out over the next 3 years….
do you see now why that wasn’t so clever?
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jun 16, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
What Allen did actually gacve us the opportunity to recover money
They saved our Ass, Skins Fan. If they ahd left it like Snyderratto did then he would have been paid the same amount of money(at the same time) but it would hurt the cap and we couldn’t recover it in this instance. You dramatically misunderstand the situation.
by BayAreaBullet on Jun 16, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The other side of it is SalCap considerations
If a cap is re-imposed, focusing the signing bonus on the uncapped year makes a tremendous amount of sense.
Allen made a shit ton of lemonade out of this.
We would be in such worse shape if it wasn’t for what they did. If it was left the way Snyderrato had it originally here would be the difference. He would have gotten the same $21 million at the exact same time BUT the team would have zero legal standing to recover the money and it would have fucked our future cap. Snyderratto set up that bonus to occur during the uncapped year, it couldn’t be changed or delayed. Allen just made it alot more palatable and the shift from a roster bonus to a signing bonus is very prescient in hindsight as NOW we have an outside chance at recovering some of that money.
by BayAreaBullet on Jun 16, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's possible, I'm trying to find the article
it was in March or April right?
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jun 16, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
On the previous AH thread I posted the link to the article
I’d post it again but it’s a pain on my phone.
by BayAreaBullet on Jun 16, 2010 8:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rumors are rampant Shanny is going to release Haynesworth.....man.
I hate seeing that. Especially if he ends up in the NFC or NFC East.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 16, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hope he doesn't do it
just let his ass ride pine since we’ve already paid the SOB. Why should he get exactly what he wants?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
If he's released
and ends up in Philly or NYG, then Shanny should be forced to play QB
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jun 16, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely....with Cerrato as Center
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 16, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Fraud
How about charging him with it? He took money in April and had NO INTENTION of playing/practicing in June. If a contractor did that to you, you’d drag his ass to court. If he didn’t plan on playing then he didn’t expect to be on the roster, and if he didn’t expect to be on the roster, accepting a roster bonus is on its face, theft.
Haynesworth's problem
Every other team is seeing this behavior. Who would want him? Even the ever crappy Lions are not stupid enough to take this piece of crap. Pay the asshole and let him rot on the bench.
i disagree
i think there more than a couple teams who would happily take a chance on that POS. they just have to make sure the contract is airtight if they do.
AH's case - a defense - from Washington Post Article (Reid)
I can’t say it changes anything I’d do, but the above article (with some stunning new info that contradicted what I had heard) sure makes AH’s position a lot more understandable. Basically, I had heard Haslett talk about the defense, so I understood that AH would mostly play DT in a 4-3 or DT in a 3-4, since Kemoeatu would be the NT. But (from Reid’s article): (AH) “would be the league’s tallest full time nose tackle, has never played that spot…”, then “Shanahan, however, directed…Haslett…install a version of…the 3-4 defense, with Haynesworth at nose tackle.” Then “Shanahan…told Haynesworth he did not want him to penetrate the backfield and did not expect him to pressure the QB or produce more sacks.” Then, “Shanahan told Haynesworth he would be displeased if Haynesworth had more than two sacks this season.” Later, “coaches and NFL personnel…told me that relegating Albert to any base position in a 3-4 scheme makes no sense.” In other words, according to Jason Reid, Mike took a really hardline nose tackle position with Albert. It’s easy to see why Albert was infuriated. I sort of wonder if Haslett shouldn’t call AH and explain just what his role would be, which presumably would not be the pure NT Albert is assuming. All this points up again that Mike’s switch to a 3-4 was a fateful decision that could end up dooming the Redskins to another 5 years of mediocrity, and ruin Mike’s tenure. On the situation now, I would talk to him, try to convince him that he’d be used correctly, but would still take a hardline and try to trade him.
Post article
Sorry, it’s in the home edition, actual newspaper, and I don’t really have the capability to put it online (I’m sort of behind the times technologically). I’m sure it’s in the online edition of the Washington Post.
If that's true, then Shanahan is a bigger Moron
than I thought. If it’s true, we’ll have another regime change in 3 years after winning a total of 21 games in that period.
I hope the Post is exaggerating again
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jun 16, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
... And?
If he doesn’t want to play the position, don’t say “I’m not here to cause trouble, I’m here to do anything they want me to do” in March. If he doesn’t want to play, don’t speak up when the team says “if you take the check, you’re on board” before the check in April
If you don’t want to play the position, Albert, then simple. Man up, don’t cash the $21 million check on false pretenses, and go out on the free agent market.
Having cashed the check … STFU Albert. No sympathy whatsoever. See London Fletcher’s comment on him today, it’s an eye opener.
CBA - Legal Options
Based upon my quick scan of the CBA, there are a couple options for the Redskins:
1. Fines. The team can fine Mr. Haynesworth for being absent. For minicamp, the maximum fine is $1,500.00 per day (maximum $8,000.00) multiplied by 10% of Total League Revenue (TRL) for each league year 2006-present. Not sure what TRL is, but it’s a small fine, relatively speaking, for Mr. Haynesworth. For training camp, the maximum fine is $14,000.00 per day with the same multiplier over the last 4 years.
2. Recouping Bonus Money. Under the CBA, a team can recoup bonus money “if a player willfully takes action that has the effect of substantially undermining his ability to fully participate and contribute in either pre-season, training camp or the regular season (including by willfully witholding his services in either pre-season training camp or during the regular season or wilfully missing one or more games).” The way this works is that 25% of the prorated portion of the player’s signing bonus for the applicable league year (i.e., March 5, 2010-March 5, 2011 or $8,000,000.00) can be forfeited the first time the conduct above occurs and the remaining 75% (or $24,000,000.00) can be forfeited the second time such conduct occurs.
There is also, of course,an intentionally vague “conduct detrimental to the team” clause for which a team can levy a fine “equal to one week’s salary and/or suspecion without pay for a period not to exceed four (4) weeks.” (See Terrell Owens case)
Though I think it goes without saying for most who read this blog, any attempt to recoup this bonus money will be heard by an arbitrator, who will render a binding decision. Suffice to say that the team does no worse than paying its own attorneys’ fees (most of which liekly goes to attorneys already on salary) and half the cost of the arbitrator. Mr. Haynesworth stands to lose a lot more. Additionally, as this is the Final League Year under the CBA and negotiations are ongoing, Mr. Haynesworth’s decision has potential ramifications for every player in the league due to the possible influence of this incident on the terms of the new CBA.
by artmonk4ever on Jun 16, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Roster bonus paid on April 1 was "only" $21,000,000.00
So the values in #2 are incorrect. They should be $5,250,000.00 (25%) and $15,750,000.00 (75%).
by artmonk4ever on Jun 16, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Article
in the above post, I meant DE in a 3-4.
I might need to revive my "Idiot Blogger of the Week" series...
Wilbon is a fame whore – semi defends Haynesworth.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/06/wilbon_offers_haynesworth_a_st.html
What Wilbon doesn’t get is that this is a CONTRACT. Whether the Off-season is too intense, it’s not relevant. Haynesworth has had the last 3 months off anyway.
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I am usually on the players side... no defending this.
If someone gave me 21 million and asked me to scrub all the toilet bowls in the stadium I would have a smile on my face everyday! You took the bonus now play!
by Late for Dinner on Jun 16, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Fat Al
He’s actually had the last SIX months off. January-June….how is that not an off-season? All he had to do was showup.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 16, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
As far as I could tell-Everyone was willing to give AH a pass
on missing the “voluntary” events, as long as he did as promised and showed up this week and showed up to training camp…
not defending Big AL
But can we set this STUPID argument to rest “If someone gave me 21 million and asked me to scrub all the toilet bowls in the stadium I would have a smile on my face everyday.” Different teams were offering to pay him that money to play 4-3 DT. So if he could get the same money somewhere else, doing a job he prefers, I wouldn’t expect him to be smiling while cleaning toilets. The “he should do whatever he’s told because of the money argument” has no merit when other people were willing to pay him the same amount of money to do a job he prefers. He should suck it up because this kindof scheme change is just part of the risk in taking such a huge contract but people always seem to overlook that he was paid the going rate for his services. It’s just easy for disgruntled fans to be jealous that the players make so much money when they drive a billion dollar industry.
by BayAreaBullet on Jun 16, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He Cashed the Check
If he hated the job that much, he could have walked away in March and gone to a team that would have paid him “the going rate for his services.” If it was about winning, ditto.
Look, I don’t grudge NFL players making money; I have no problem with Rocky McIntosh holding out, Darrell Reevis and Andre Johnson trying to strike while the iron is hot. But AH got the money; he looked them in the eye, took the check, and THEN pitched a prima donna fit. And that is why not only his teammates have turned on him, but players around the league are disgusted. He’s a lying, thieving, selfish dishonorable bastard, our Albert.
AH Defense
Even if the article is correct – that Shanahan took a hard line, “you’re NT in a 3-4 defense” stance – it doesn’t excuse AH, and as everybody points out, he doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on – a contract is a contract. And the Skins should go after the money while trying to trade him for something reasonable. But the article does suggest some possibility of working things out, assuring Albert that he won’t just have to be an ordinary, full time, NT. He’s a great player – isn’t he worth a little stroking?
Oh yea
Kev, the pic is epic
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I just noticed the time stamp.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
if he somehow stays
on the skins, can you imagine the boos the moment fat al steps on field
What about the fans at Fedex wearing his jersey?
I’d never throw a beer at a fellow Skins fan but that’s pretty ignorant. Luckily I think only 15 fans actually bought one.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 16, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
They can console themselves with people who have Jason Taylor jerseys
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
can we put this guy on annual retainer?
http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/4/25/851434/redskins-2nd-round-pick
I think we need his services again.
Ken's brother was a Foreman and did this at a construction site.
Yes, we definitely need to do a Haynesworth jersey stunt.
Does anyone have a jersey they are willing to donate for a Hogs Haven dramatical video destruction??
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 16, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I could probably help you out.
I bought one for 20 dollars from some dude in the bronx several months ago. This was back when I thought he would be our defensive centerpiece…lol
It’s actually pretty good quality for what it is, not as good as an authentic but still decent enough to get masacred in an amusing way.
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
excellent
I’m open to ideas of the massacre…might be worth it’s own post, but fire away people. What size is it?
1.) We could hook it to a string and it throw it into an August construction site port-o-potty…then pull that sucker out at the end of the week.
2.) Give it to an an obese DC homeless guy to wear around town all summer…and I could do regular interviews w/ him. (def don’t want to demean the guy, but there is irony in it)
3.) Mail it to Cerrato with a rape kit.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 16, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
I think the jerseys a large, so an obese man squished into it would be funny. But the porta-potty has a timeless quality about it.
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
actually, why not do it in order...
1, 2, and then 3…..
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 16, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I've seen my fair share of haynesworth
jerseys around the area, unfortunately. Fortunately, I wasn’t one of them
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
fortunately my Chris Cooley jersey is good for another year
My doublestuffed oreos fell on the floor of my mom's basement. Save me swagman!
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Jun 16, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Only way I'm ever buying another jersey
is if it’s a throwback. screw the bastards. nobody’s safe, so why should I spend money on a jersey?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Pretty much.
I’m a big fan of random bit player jerseys on ebay for less than $20
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
As a Cowboys fan...
this isn’t even the time to talk trash… this is despicable conduct and an embarassment to NFL players everywhere. Hopefully for the sake of the rivalry, your new regime can change the culture of greedy players knowing they can come to Washington get paid and not give a f()ck.
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Cerrato
I don’t understand the guys blaming Cerrato and Snyder for what’s happened with Haynesworth. Yes, they wanted him, but so did several other teams, and Zorn and Blache must have approved it. We got him for the going rate, and a little less than Tampa Bay was willing to give, apparently because we assured him he would be used ‘correctly’. Maybe we paid too much, but that’s a negotiation problem. Say we got him cheaper – would everybody be feeling better now? I’ve usually defended him, but not now. He is being selfish and stupid, and broke his promise – went back on his word. The Skins should be tough, no compromise, go for the money and only trade him if we get something substantial, and be willing to let him sit for 6 years (what do you think that would to your legacy, Albert?).
I didn't finish reading that
But “I don’t understand….blaming Cerrato”
Cerrato lost.
by ReggieBullits on Jun 17, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions
hey hey hey its crook alber .
you fu########### YOU FU#########ass wipe crook bas###### its time to dump fat ass albert go skins ..
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