Snide Debate: Will Albert Haynesworth Be on the Roster Week 1?
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 15, 2010 7:48 AM EDT
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PrintWashington Examiner columnist Rick Snider's first Redskins story was in 1983 and his work can be found at theWashingtonExaminer.com and WarpathConfidential.com.
With mandatory minicamp starting tomorrow (Wednesday), Rick Snider and I debate the reality of Haynesworth making this team.
Do you really think Albert Haynesworth will be on the opening-day roster?
Rick: I'd say less than 50/50. It all depends on his attitude and conditioning. I've heard Albert lost some weight so that's a plus. But if he's sour, Mike Shanahan will continue looking for offers. It probably wouldn't happen until August when the team better decides can it live without him and another team loses a tackle to desperately need him, but I'm betting Haynesworth's not on the roster come the Dallas game.
Kevin: This Haynesworth thing I go back and forth on every day, especially with Charles Mann's latest comments, but I think Albert will be there - only because the Redskins won't be able to get ample return value in a trade.
Now that it's been two months, it really does amaze me that Albert decided to blow off practices two months in advance. Telling Coach he can't make it to camp the next couple weeks is one thing, but to say "I'm not participating in ANYTHING" is the blatant middle finger. I mean...that's as bad as it gets. He's working with his personal trainers..that's great, but he couldn't just show up for 1 weekend? Landry did.
Either way, even "out of shape," Haynesworth is better than 90% of the tackles in the league. The Redskins need him and I'll think he'll be at Fedex Field week 1.
I put my money on him being out of shape, though. What motivation is there to work out when you've already been paid, you hate your job/coaching scheme, and you're facing unrelated paternity and civil lawsuits?
Rick: I respect Charles Mann's comment, but seriously, what did Charles say that was new that caused the buzz? Charles just said Haynesworth is the perfect example of a spoiled athlete (though certainly not all of today's athletes are spoiled so don't use a broad brush). Charles was a warrior. His fingers are so mashed he can't even pick up coins off a counter. Charles was right that Albert just needs to clog the middle like he did before. I would be really confused over Haynesworth's attitude except I know he's just selfish. It comes down to that.
Kevin: It's just that...who is saying it. All the current Redskin players are being careful not to say the wrong thing, but when an ex-player says it, it makes you think what's really going on in that locker room. Similar to how Riggins blew the door open on Zorn last year. If I was busting my ass in 95 degree two-a-days while Haynesworth sat on his butt for 2 months, I'd be pissed. It takes a team to win and Al is a huge part of that DLine.
Shanahan will do a good job selling all summer everything is fine and he only needs a little catching up to do with the playbook and conditioning. Shanny is a Pro at squashing media questions. As much as I want Albert on this team, it'd almost be refreshing if they traded him just so we have something else to talk about. It's getting to me worse than even the Campbell talk.
Rick: Marty Schottenheimer did a great job selling Jeff George was his guy through the 2001 preseason while the latter healed. But a couple weeks into the season, Schottenheimer didn't even bother benching George; he just cut the guy. So I agree Shanahan will make everything seem rosy when it's not. As for teammates, they may not like what Haynesworth's doing, but they're not going to say anything to him. I remember a fight on the field late last season when Haynesworth rushed to aid DeAngelo Hall. It was like a parting of the sea as opponents didn't want any part of Haynesworth. Same goes for teammates. Like you said, he's better than 90 percent of tackles and few want to mess with him.
So what do you all think? Will he be on the roster week 1 and throughout the season?
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He will be here.
He will dominate. Have a little faith.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Jun 15, 2010 8:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
"have a little faith" Hahaha
Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me
Fool me for the past 10 off seasons, I must be a Redskins fan….
But seriously new coach, new GM, new attitude, new faith!
HTTR
This whole time...
I felt like his non-participation was being spun into a perpetual filler story for a slow off season. If the OTA’s aren’t mandatory, they can’t get upset when someone doesn’t attend. The guy wants to blow up quarterbacks, and I suspect he will get plenty of opportunities. He’ll be in there tomorrow, if for no other reason than to make him look silly when he doesn’t know the schemes they are using.
He had better still be here
Without him our Dline is pretty pedestrian. With him and its pretty f’ing kickass.
I wonder if there are gonna be apologies
from these talking heads if Al comes into camp in shape, and kicks ass.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
One can only hope -
on the in shape and kick ass parts. Don’t expect any apologies from talking heads. They just move on to the next self-generated controversy as if nothing happened.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
We all agree he'll be there...
But will he be on the opening day roster…ie – will he show up to camp out of shape and continue to whine.
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Yes he will be on the roster...
And Jeff George was expendable he was not a DT who can dominate a game. Lets see what happens approach is my opinion and if offers come in that our to better the Skins it should be thought about.
My thing is that
it’s just a touch hypocritical to say it takes all of us to be a team, but then single out Albert. They guy, I’m convinced, just really doesn’t operate like most of us. I mean he just doesn’t have a clue. But he wouldn’t be the first teammate to be accepted for his faults because he is so good on the field. Shanny has to understand that it can’t be 100% his way.
And great point – I would definitely want AH backing up me and my teammates in an altercation rather than have him on some other team coming my way. Actions speak louder than words, good and bad. DeAngelo, I bet, is cutting AH some slack on this one.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Agreed.
Albert will forever be a team player in my book just because of the Landry/D-Hall incident in Atl.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Jun 15, 2010 9:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
D-Hall says he texts Albert often -
and is definitely on his side. Totally agree with Carver and Scott about the media – they never hold themselves accountable. I think Albert will be fine, but there probably is a small chance that he’ll be traded, basically for a top-quality tackle, which we need almost as much as we need AH. That would require a confluence of events – some team needs a defensive tackle but can spare a good offensive tackle. The odds are against it, but stranger things have happened. I think Shanahan can handle AH, just like Phil Jackson handled Dennis Rodman (back then with Michael Jordan’s Bulls). It’s a real art, and the coach needs a lot of patience and must be able to suppress his macho instincts.
I think he'll be here
I think he’ll show up tomorrow, get to speak with Haslett and learn more about the defense, and then realize that Haslett’s defense is an aggressive and attacking type of defense, which is exactly the type of defense that Haynesworth wants to play in. Plus, as has been said before, I’ve yet to hear anything negative from Haynesworth himself, it’s always “according to sources close to…” that says Haynesworth is unhappy with playing in the 3-4. The last comment I remember hearing from Haynesworth was that he didn’t think he was built to play NT in a 3-4, but he would be willing to do whatever was asked of him. However, that comment was made before any of us had any of clue as to what type of 3-4 defense we would be playing, so Haynesworth may feel even more confident about playing in the 3-4 in comparison to how he felt a few months ago. As usual, the media has blown things out of proportion.
Plus, I don’t see us getting fair value for Haynesworth in a trade so I think he’ll be here: unless some team gets really desperate or injury depleted along the D-line in the coming months. IF that happens, then I could see Haynesworth getting shipped out of here, but other than that, he’s staying IMHO.
He'll be there Week 1
I do think that AH will buy into Haslett’s schemes but I also think he’s spoiled / greedy and that’ll cause his progress to that point to be much slower than it could be. I have no doubts that stat-wise, this will be one of his worst years, but I think it’s from a “I’m right, you’re wrong” attitude where he won’t try to succeed because he won’t think it’s the best use of his time. Though he hasn’t said anything too negative, this is one of those cases to me where actions speak louder than words – it’s one thing to miss ‘some’ practice time as he focuses on getting in shape. When you know it’s a new defense though, it’s crazy that he hasn’t been in better communication even about what’s going on – no one has mentioned even talking to him about the new system since the initial in-person conversation at the beginning of the off-season.
I think because of how dominant he is, he’ll be able to dominate no matter his role, though there would definitely be a learning curve in the move to NT and being more responsible for run support. If he had started his career as an NT, we’d be talking about him as the most dominant NT instead of DT/DE. He’ll be here, he’ll come along, and hopefully he’ll have some kind of ephiphany where he feels more comfortable with his role in whatever D we’re running and at the very least says that his talent got him through this rough time that he never should have been in, but at least he’s happy with and performs.
Nice...Haynesworth off-season trainer
I’ll always defend the mullet.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/06/albert_haynesworths_trainer.html
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He's got to go
Whether ANY value is gotten in return, he’s got to go. If Shanahan doesn’t get rid of him one way or the other, I believe the Coach will have lost his team. As someone said earlier, Fat Albert basically has given Shanny the finger. No Coach can tolerate that.
What motivation is there to work out when you’ve already been paid, you hate your job/coaching scheme, and you’re facing unrelated paternity and civil lawsuits?
Perhaps he’ll be motivated by what’s being written about him this offseason. I don’t understand the “already been paid”. Everyone in the NFL have already been paid. No NFL players are poor (unless they blow all their money).
It’s true that some guys get some money and lose their edge, but that usually happens to guys fresh out of college who are drafted high, get a big payday, and then decide the physical abuse of the NFL isn’t really for them.
He already received $32 million in cash
Look at guys like Rocky who are busting their asses and getting $1.7/1-year deals. Thats most of the league there. Most players HAVEN’T been paid and are fighting to keep jobs.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 15, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
you hate your job/coaching scheme
Also, this isn’t really supported by Albert’s most recent comments on the matter. We’ll just have to see.
Insiders
I’ve based that on a beat writer who regularly text other Redskins players and this is what they are telling him….so I trust it more than I do anything else.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jun 15, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Haynesworth not coming to Minicamp, wants to be traded
Holy cow, was I ever wrong! Sorry guys – he’s a loser. But now we can’t get anything for him.
J Reid almost as unreliable
as Albert…(why not attack the messenger until we see it for real?)
You got any proof for this b.s.?
J Reid almost as unreliable as Albert
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