110 Players Reporting to Redskins Minicamp
by Kevin Ewoldt on May 7, 2010 7:53 AM EDT
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Rick Maese of the Washington Post painted the scene for what will be a packed house at Redskins Park' first, true minicamp.
"It's probably the most I've seen since I've been here," center Casey Rabach said of the crammed locker room. "It's going to be full and busy." ... There may be 100-plus players in attendance but the team can only carry 80 on its roster. Currently, only 75 players are under contract for this season.
Rocky and Carlos will hopefully take two more of those spots. Phillip Daniels had his knee scoped, so he will be in attendance but not participating in full drills. Having attended one of these practices last year, it's almost impossible to learn anything from the players. When a player knows they won't get hit, it makes things a lot easier. At the same time, it does weed those players out who can't do the simple things. The Redskins have a ton of holes, so they've obviously maxed out as many players as they could to try and find that gem. I'm looking forward to our talk with John Keim next week to get some more info.
The Redskins have hired a new scout to replace part of the holes from the firings of Don Warren and Russ Bolinger. Richard Mann II was hired previously in Tampa Bay by Bruce Allen, so he has familiarity with him there.
I think the most interesting piece of news this week is the uniforms. Both the Eagles and Redskins appear as if they'll be switching back to the retros for some home games.
The Eagles will be wearing their "kelly green," which undoubetdly looks better than anything they've sported before. As Matt Terl blogged, Bruce Allen wants to return the Redskins' unis to the glory days from his old man and sport the gold pants. I like it....do you?
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Yes!!
I would like to see the gold with white, and yellow helment they wore a couple times a couple years ago last year. Those were sweet!
I'm on the fence about them
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Unis
I thought I liked these unis best, but that one of DT above is damn awesome. Anything but bugundy on burgundy or white on white is OK with me.
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I like those ones.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I think
I like this uniform better. The pants that DT has just don’t seem to match well with the uniform, at least to me. I realize that it’s photoshopped so the final product would probably look different. But, like everyone else has said, both uniforms look waaaaay better than the burgundy on burgundy. The white on white are just “ehh” to me. Nothing great but nothing that I despise or anything.
ok I rescind my earlier comment about not liking the gold helmet with the white jersey.....
but only with the gold pants (and honestly aren’t they just capri’s with pads and a bit of elastic?) I am still ok with burg on burg, but by for not my fav…..I love the fat stripes, on the sleeves and pants….thats what a football uni is supposed to look like!!…Nice pics Kevin.
Your stat of the day
Redskins hold rights to 84 players, 42% of which weren’t w/ the team for ’09 season finale.
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Well...
A change needed to be made, and that’s obviously what we’re doing so I’m glad to hear a stat like this.
Pretty predictable considering we are changing Offensive and Defensive systems in the same year.
by BayAreaBullet on May 7, 2010 12:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
True, but
We’ve changed offensive systems several times the past few years, but still didn’t bother adding or subtracting players that would or wouldn’t fit the scheme we were running. It’s nice to know that this coaching staff is willing to cut or add players based on whether or not they fit our scheme instead of adding players based on their name or celebrity.
by bigrm18 on May 7, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The KEY difference when Football people are running the Football operations
I see this as the biggest change, even when Gibbs II occurred he got caught with Vinny and the best player can work ideals. Yes, he brought in some of his own guys but nothing like a complete overhaul. In my opinion a complete overhaul was not accomplished because of Vinny and Dan, always finding the “best” player but never finding the players which fit best to what the Defense and Offense, and then building the best players through the draft by teaching them the system from the start.
That's not true
We HAD to get big pass catchers to implement Zorn’s WCO. Which led to our top 3 draft picks going to big pass catchers his first season. When Gibbs came the first thing he did was bring in a ton of guys on the Offense(brunell, Portis, Cooley,Lloyd).
We are bringing in a ton of guys because we had alot of holes and are switching systems. Don’t see much different. Previous regimes changed up the roster alot to fit their system as well. That’s pretty standard for any coaching hire. The turnover is slighty bigger for us because we are changing both sides of the ball at once and the FA pool was so shallow we were forced to grab 3 guys for every spot because we were forced to sort through long shots and retreads.
by BayAreaBullet on May 7, 2010 1:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ok, but look
Gibb’s did add some players: Maybe changing 10% of the Roster (8-10 players), the and he was changing everything.
Zorn and Vinny had 10 draft picks, the Top-3 going to WR to aid in a larger WR, why not get any solid vets and leave Moss and ARE as #1 and #2, because they were solid and good players but didn’t really contribute to improving the system. Why add AH, a great defensive tackle but what did he do to help Blanches Defense? Why add Jason Taylor, all in hindsight, but it’s the same pattern.
"Hey, we can get the best back in CP, Hey we can get Jason Taylor, I mean Jason Taylor: Hey we have a shot at the number one Defensive lineman….That was how Vinny operated, he got the BEST Player available or he could obtain.
The offense is very similar to last year, the Defense is being changed but a total of 42 players were not here last year! That’s almost 50% of the team and when it’s said and done could be more closer to 75% of the team has changed…
I respectfully think you on wrong on stating its “not true”, it’s what is the biggest difference IMO
While my response ended up after yours I was responding to Bigrm18
Specifically this quote “We’ve changed offensive systems several times the past few years, but still didn’t bother adding or subtracting players that would or wouldn’t fit the scheme we were running.” Every time we have changed offensive systems we have brought in new guys who “Fit the System”. The hope here is that the system is better than previous ones. Any coach that brings in a new system brings in guys who “Fit his System” in the first year whether it be Gibbs, Zorn, Spurrier, Mangini, McDaniels, Parcells, etc. That in and of itself is nothing notable. Snyder always buys his new Offensive Minded HC’s new toys(who fit their system) in their first years. We’re just hoping the purchases are more sensible this time. So I didn’t think his statement was true.
I think you guys are misreading Kevin’s stats a bit. We have “The rights to 84 Players”. 42% percent(percent not players) were not on the team last year. That means we have the rights to 49 players from the team last year. Only 53 make an active roster. You are conflating bringing in guys for Training Camp fodder with changing the active 53-man roster. The 53 man roster could be alot different or it could change the league average amount. No one knows yet. The average NFL team turns over 25-33% of their roster every year. Depending on who makes it out of Training Camp we could have BELOW league average roster turnover from last year. We will have to see. That 42% is artificially inflated by guys being brought in for training camp battles. Not sure it means what you think it means.
In fact if you remove Chris Samuels and Thomas retiring(and having to be replaced regardless of who the coach is) I think Shanny is mostly going to be doing it with Zorn/Gibbs players on offense. We swapped QB’s and MIGHT have a diff. RB or RT starting this year.
I’m optimistic on Shanny and think he’s building something. I like that he will go with the best guy. I just think the “New HC brings in Guys who fit his system in his first year” is so mundane and commonplace it is a meaningless statement. Does it surprise you or strike you as significant that there is a decent amount of turnover when a team switches blocking schemes and Overall Offense and Defense schemes in the same year? I certainly don’t find that surprising if it does in fact happen. It’s what these guys do on the field that matters not that they are new. I mean Spurrier brought in Shane Mathews, Danny Awful, Jacques Green and other Florida guys that got cut to fit his system his first year. Then drafted Taylor Jacobs. Was that significant? It’s the quality of the system and the worth of the players brought in that are significant. I’m sure you can find examples of a HC coming in and fitting guys to his system and the team gets worse.
by BayAreaBullet on May 7, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m optimistic on Shanny and think he’s building something.
That is basically what I was trying to get across when I made the statement you were replying to. All of the other coaches may have brought in certain players, but I never felt they were actually building anything, at least not building anything worthwhile.
by bigrm18 on May 7, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Here’s to hoping Snyder will let it happen. He always lets the guy have whatever he wants the first year. The following years is when Snyder proved meddlesome. If I had to guess though Shanny will get 3 years before he has to worry about any interference. I do see Shanny turning like 70% of the roster over in 3 years.
by BayAreaBullet on May 7, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I also agree
I think Snyder is slowly realizing that when it comes to football, he’s a complete idiot and so I don’t see him interfering. Shanahan would have to do absolutely terrible for 3 years straight like you said before Snyder thinks about interfering, at least I would think.
Snyder is an idiot with all things football
has been for 10 years. I see no realistic reason to believe he wii change…he’ll screw something up, only a question of what and when
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by Skins Fan '77 on May 8, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree
That Snyder is an idiot when it comes to football. The thing is, he no longer is involved with the football operations, unlike past years. Snyder has yet to interfere with Shanahan or Allen, and probably for the time in his ownership, is doing precisely what an owner is supposed to do when it comes to the football operations; not a damn thing!
After years of mismanagement, owner Daniel Snyder finally acknowledged he needed to make major changes, and the football operation already appears much stronger in the hands of Shanahan and Allen.
Snyder has reduced his presence at the complex this offseason, and players no longer are permitted to walk into his office to voice their concerns, according to several team employees. Many veterans have been turned away and told they now must speak with Allen, who doesn’t believe in “suggestion” boxes.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/redskins-changes-are-apparent.html
Whether or not Snyder can continue to be a competent owner remains to be seen, but he, as well as the way this organization is run, has unquestionably changed, and changed for the better.
I don't necessarily agree
We did acquire 3 big pass catches for Zorn as you said, but we didn’t overhaul the roster to the extent that we’re doing now. Zorn basically inherited Gibbs’ team except for a few players. Which led to many players playing in a system that didn’t necessarily suit them best. Which could have been avoided had Cerrato and Snyder believed in hiring coaches that ran a system that utilized the current players’ strengths, or believed in acquiring players that would best fit the new coaching staff’s system, but I digress.
The players that Gibbs added in his second go round could be seen as players that would have fit his scheme, but many of the players that we acquired were also some of the “hottest” and most sought after free agents; the type of players we’ve been known to acquire lately. Gibbs may have added a few players that were supposed to fit his scheme at first, but as Kevin stated above, over 40% of last year’s roster is no longer on the team. Meaning, we’re in the process of completely overhauling last year’s group of individuals and replacing it with a team of players that the coaches feel are capable of executing their scheme on both sides of the ball.
The prime example of this is taking Trent Williams over Russell Okung. Okung was seen as the better tackle (at least right now) but the coaches took the player that they felt would best execute the zone blocking scheme. During the draft and free agency of the Gibbs and Zorn era, our main objective was to acquire the best player. However, with Shanahan and Allen, our objective is to acquire the best player that fits our scheme, and acquire the player that wants to come here to play and not come here to collect a paycheck.
by bigrm18 on May 7, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Scouts and then the War Room.
“The Redskins have hired a new scout to replace part of the holes from the firings of Don Warren and Russ Bolinger. Richard Mann II was hired previously in Tampa Bay by Bruce Allen …”
On the draft days I started off watching the NFL channel. I had a printout of 650 draft prospects. The time between selections allowed me to annotate the printout until they got to the 4th round. This was my closest experience of assimilating a war room.
If I had the TV and computer in the same room this could have been managed up to the 255 draft pick. A portable computer and wifi would be OK. A teams draft board would have to be really setup to move into the competition for undrafted free agents.
A panel of telephones and player contacts would need to be setup ahead of time. The scouting and personnel people would need to be in synch. The question is how do NFL teams manage to be in contact with at least select players moments after the close of the draft. What is the real NFL world on this scene?
what about these?
Fsu clones I know, but I still like them.
by RipHard on May 7, 2010 11:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
deal-breaker
Fsu clones
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
They really aren't
Washington had them first. FSU didn’t pick up the spear on the helmet until the mid- to late-70’s. Honestly I think the Nike Pro-Combat uni’s that FSU wore for one game last year would transition to some really cool Redskins uni’s with logo swappage and such.
by tuckwell@work on May 7, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, that's a technicality
we abandoned the look and Fla St has been using it for how ever many decades consecutively
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
it may be a technicality
but it’s also historically correct, so what if you associate it with FSU, not EVERYONE does. I grew up watching Sonny throw the ball to Jerry Smith, Bobby Mitchell and Charley Taylor in those uni’s. I’m pretty much okay with that.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
don't make me find the median age of Redskins fans, lol
I grew up watching Sonny throw the ball to Jerry Smith, Bobby Mitchell and Charley Taylor in those uni’s. I’m pretty much okay with that.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
These are the best uni's in football
although the site of Werful make me want to puke.
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pics or it didn't happen
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Confirmed as being at camp
- Linebacker Rocky McIntosh and cornerback Carlos Rogers signed waivers and showed up for the start of camp. Albert Haynesworth did not make it to town. It wasn’t immediately clear if any other veterans opted out. The minicamp is mandatory for rookies but voluntary for veterans.
ok cool.
Yea, looks like they were there but just stood to the side.
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