Snide Debate: Will Redskins' Joey Galloway Have 30 Catches this Season?
Washington Examiner columnist Rick Snider's first Redskins story was in 1983 and his work can be found at the WashingtonExaminer.com and WarpathConfidential.com.
As I mentioned in Wednesday's post, we've teamed up with friends Rick Snider and John Keim, two beat-writers for the Redskins, to bring you better coverage. Rick and I each week will have fun arguing a topic. This week it's the WRs.
Topic: What is your feeling for how the WR depth chart should and will play out (especially in the TE and Z position)?
The Redskins currently have on their roster: 2 starting, receiving TEs in Cooley and Davis, the veteran Santana Moss, red-shirts Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly (entering their 3rd years), the rookie Terrence Austin, old vets Joey Galloway and Bobby Wade, the journeymen and WRs no one's heard of (Marques Hagans, Roydell Williams, Anthony Armstrong, and Derrick Townsel) and backup TEs Dennis Morris, Logan Paulsen, Sean Ryan, and Lee Vickers).
Rick Snider: "My prediction is Joey Galloway starts at least one game this season. Might be week 5 or 6, but obviously Mike Shanahan isn't happy with Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas. Santana Moss is the only one we know who's starting o
pening day. Thomas and Kelly make the roster along with Galloway. That leaves two more who have to play special teams. I'll go with Austin and Hagans right now. In three receiver sets, it's Moss, Thomas and Galloway unless it's near the goal line when Kelly must quickly prove his worth. As for tight ends, Cooley and Davis share the job, but Cooley gets three-fourths of the snaps. Sixth-rounder Morris gets the third job unless he has an awful camp."
Kevin: My prediction is Joey Galloway joins Sherman Lewis in the retirement home bingo hall...before pre-season ends. The upside to Galloway is that he had 6 years of the WCO in Seattle with Holmgren and 5 years of it with Gruden in Tampa. So, it certainly is his wheelhouse, but he struggled mightily in New England last year. It was clear from quotes from both Tom Brady and Bill Belichick that he couldn't learn their system. The same system that made use of Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell. A WR that has injuries problems, was out of the league most of last year, and will be 39 years old I just don't see making it. Training camp and pre-season will tear him up.
As for my starting lineup prediction: Cooley and Fred Davis are too good not to have on the field at all times. Why not have them rotate as the slot guy a la Dallas Clark and also move Santana to the inside at times? Cooley is not the prototypical Wes Welker mold, but he can certainly use his hands and get some yardage in chunks. It's not impossible, but it's a leap to think any of these other players can jump into the top 3. I've pretty much given up on Malcolm. He can always learn and improve, but he's a sports car that only has 4 gears. Some red zones looks for him at best.
As for "Showtime," when I spoke with Devin Thomas last month, he had a long talk with Shanahan who told him he's going to be his guy. Devin has been fully immersed in the playbook and if anyone can make a superstar out of a WR, it's Donovan F. McNabb.
Finally, for my closing arguments, here's the first picture I found from Galloway's time with the Pats. Coming soon to a Redskins Park near you.
Rick Snider: "You punk kids never respect anything. You think anyone over 30 can't be trusted. Oh wait, that was my generation saying that and now I'm staring at 50 a week before training camp. Anyway, don't you have school work or something to do?
My over/under on Galloway's catches is 30 and only because McNabb has a lot of options. I see Moss with 70, Cooley 65, Thomas 47, Smith Davis 32 and Kelly 21. There's nothing wrong with two tight end sets, and if the receivers don't step up the Redskins will have no other choice, but neither Cooley nor Davis is a great blocker and the right side of the offensive line needs help. That means using Mike Sellers more and a TE less. Overall, a little more balance among the top 5 receptions than past years and few touchdowns. Who do you think will have the most TDs? I say Cooley with 9."
Kevin: I didn't think senility struck humans until their seventies! 30 catches for Galloway?? Does that include practice??? I'm so confident in the under I'll buy you Red Lobster if I lose. Assuming McNabb stays healthy, I think Santana hand-down leads the team with TDs...and tops his Redskins-career high of 7 TDs with 8. He's still got the 5th gear and knows how to get past defenders. Even though I'm a smidge over 30 years old, the punk kid label definitely still applies, and I'm proud of that.
Rick Snider: I haven't eaten at Red Lobster in years because real Southern Marylanders eat at local crab houses, not that prepackaged stuff. But if you want to buy me a meal, you're on. Thirty catches for Galloway means I'm getting their shrimp feast or whatever's most expensive. Less than 30 means you're eating at a crab house down here on me. Oh, and practice catches and preseason ones don't count, but his 5 touchdowns will.
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30+ will never happen.
And I agree with Kevin – I don’t think Galloway even makes the team.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
+1
My doublestuffed oreos fell on the floor of my mom's basement. Save me swagman!
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on May 6, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
that was my question also.
if Galloway makes the team….
1. the 2008 draft officially grades out no better than a D+
2. we are in big trouble team building wise, because we’ll have huge holes at WR in 2011
3. we’ll see lots of 2 TE, I formation sets :)
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on May 6, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I told everybody they should have just sign T.O. and we would hot have this Circus of a Organization. No Wr on our roster has his talent or Stats!
by Niteoftheskins on May 6, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Really??...I had to read that twice.
are you talking about Terrence Oakley perhaps?
I am sure there are valid arguments for signing Terrell Owens (not that I would agree, and I don’t see Shanny going there) but “they should have just signed T.O. and we would not have this Circus of a Organization.” is a statement that I never thought I would read. Really??
totally agree
TO would have to pay us money for this to be a good idea…
My doublestuffed oreos fell on the floor of my mom's basement. Save me swagman!
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on May 6, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The guy is a drop
and a pout and a meltdown waiting to happen. We’ve had too much of the drama queen thing going on around here the last decade. We need to move away from that now and big time.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
People should look at Wades production the last 4 years and compare it to Galloway
It’s kinda funny how people only talk about Galloway when Wade had 36 catches last year. Even when Galloway was relevant 2 years ago Wade was catching as many balls as him. Once again THE BIG NAME attracts all the attention.
by BayAreaBullet on May 6, 2010 12:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I see the Malcolm Kelly bandwagon is getting ligter
it’s cool, more room for me
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Last year was basically his rookie year
I’m not ready to give up on the guy yet.
by BayAreaBullet on May 6, 2010 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not giving up hope
On Kelly yet. I still see him as Brandon Marshall Lite if he steps his game up. His hands are too good for us not to try to utilize them, in my opinion at least.
Debate
On Snider’s list, I’d substitute Roydell Williams or Wade for Galloway. Austin should be interesting. Hagans and Williams were here last year, so are sort of known quantities. That was interesting that Snider said Shanahan isn’t happy with MK and DT. I didn’t know that, although I guess it became obvious when he brought in Galloway and Wade
If either of these new "vets" make the team...
That will definately speak volumes about the state of our recieving core. Guys like galloway should be gone before the season starts. But coaches like to fall in love with old dudes so who knows..
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
I just don't see it happening
If Galloway does happen to get at least 30 catches this year, it more than likely means that either Kelly or Thomas isn’t living up to their potential and is therefore another bust by Vinny, or either of them isn’t being given a fair chance by Shanahan and their talent will be wasted by us, or will be utilized by another team. Or less likely, we have a high-powered offense that can’t be stopped and that spreads the ball around to everyone (I can dream can’t I?).
Kevin, I’d begin to look at the local restaurants’ menus if I were you. Might as well figure out what you want to eat in advance, cause Galloway isn’t getting 30 catches.
the book isn't closed on Kelly and Thomas
the third year is usually a critical year for the development of a WR. That said, unless we start hearing raves out of training camp about these guys, it seems more likely than not that they won’t have a breakout year.
My doublestuffed oreos fell on the floor of my mom's basement. Save me swagman!
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on May 6, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
Given the misuse of personel under Zorn
I don’t know if I would consider the last two years as two complete years for the purpose of evaluating their performance. Many areas of the team were hamstrung to one degree or another, including the passing game. I think under the Shanahan regime, we’ll get a better feel for how they will play out.
Some, Devin Thomas is a solid receiver already, good speed, aggressive, hard to tackle. Unless Santana has gained some speed back, he will never be able to get seperation. We all know Santana is to small / weak to catch the ball in traffic.
I don't know that....
We all know Santana is to small / weak to catch the ball in traffic.
Agree, Agree, Agree
As I too approach the Rick Snider age although not before the season’s three-fourths over,
I tend to Agree and Agree with Kevin
Galloway will not make the team, Under 30 for sure!
Moss and Thomas will have exceptional years
but in fairness must 100% Agree with Snider on the statement:
real Southern Marylanders eat at local crab houses,That would hold true for southern PA boys, displaced in the south: Hell I even search out real fish houses(notice, not Crab houses as that is exclusive to MD) now that I’m in the south before I would venture into a Red Lobster…It’s all about the seafood!
I can eat a dozen XL crabs no problem...
Can paper journalists afford that? I’ll make sure he brings his credit card.
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kevin, "The Backup TE" Dennis Morris will be key in our offensive scheme. Is Rick actually following the Skins or just copying what others are saying?
To mention this guy as just a “Back Up,” is what I call not understanding a " player / baller" when you see one. This guy is NFL ready now. Maybe he is waiting until after this weekend to post about what a pleasant surprise, Dennis Morris was at the mini camp. This will be no surprise to me, or anyone else that pays attention. Dennis Morris = offensive weapon from HB/ FB/ TE/ WR postions.
He will play limited offense and Special teams in 2010
Will be an offensive Weapon, in the future years but not this year.
Quick question to everyone
Is he really serious about this “Dennis Morris being a superstar to plan our offense around”-thing, or is it some kind of joke that he won’t quit sticking to?
What are you talking about mdm
LJP watched a whole 3 minute YouTube video of the kid, surely you watched It!!!
I mean if a 3 minute you tube video of the absolute best things anyone has ever done, with none of his missed routes, missed blocks, dropped catches or mistakes doesnt tell you ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING you need to know about someone, What does???
Pommylee
I wish I had a YouTube video of my career highlights
sitting in a cubicle. Absolutely stunning I might add. LOL
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
me too
you should have seen this report I created on Friday, an absolute thing of beauty.
Now as long as the video doesnt show the rest of the time when I am on thsi site etc, and just saw me creating that report, they would have me on a million a year for sure.
Pommylee
Pomm, actually it was 8.24 min/secs worth of highlights. what part of this guy being a special player do you not get.
Some of his best plays were against teams like LSU, Auburn and Boise State. This guy is a aggressive blocker, receiver and all around player. He has great hands and attacks the ball when it is in the air. By the way show me a better high light video that is 8 minutes long. He had eight minutes of making big plays not just BS filler high lights. Some of you guys can not see “the forest for the trees.”
wow 8 minutes
from what a 4 year career, so assuming offense is on the field half the time and he plays 75% of the snaps in a 13 game college season that means they have grabbed 8 minutes from about 1170 minutes of on field action
so about 0.6% of his time on the field, and this is the absolute best 0.6% of his time on the field.
Look I hope the guy is a star, he certainly looks good.
But to look at the absolute best 0.6% of a guys career, a career at a lower level than the NFL and immeadiately claim that this proves he is better than Chris Cooley a guy who has performed at the top level to a Pro Bowl level and who only cost us a 3rd round pick is ridiculous, and I know you must understand that at some level
Pommylee
Pommylee, this is an interesting perception about high light film.
Your estimate may be on the high side, but the approach is generally good for a college player.
“from what a 4 year career, so assuming offense is on the field half the time and he plays 75% of the snaps in a 13 game college season that means they have grabbed 8 minutes from about 1170 minutes of on field action.”
To split hairs, Louisiana Tech’s schedule is shown for the duration of Morris’ time on the team.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=2348 (2009: 12 games – 4 w 8 l, 2008: 13 games – 8 w 5l, 2007: 12 games – 5w7l; 2006: 13 games – 3 w 10 l). Morris was only the top receiver at Louisiana Tech in 2009 -
by Jefferson1935 on May 10, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
so its more like 1000 mins
so 0.8% of his time there :)
Plus he played on a losing team for basically his whole career, so in LJP’s eyes this supremely gifted player could not turn a College team playing against other college teams into a winner, but he is going to walk into the much tougher NFL and transform the situation of a 4-12 team. WOW!!!
again the disclaimer, I hope like nothing else he is a complete and utter star, I hope he is the greatest TE/HB/FB ever to play the game,
My point is, looking at 0.8% of a players career, a cherry picked, only the good thrown in, creme de la creme selection of his plays and deciding that this means more than a 4-5 year Pro Bowl caliber NFL career is just madness.
interesting info though Jefferson thanks, I didnt realise just how awful Louisiana was
Pommylee
kinda funny how things
come full circle. I was always pissed we drafted Michael Westbrook over Galloway (and Warren Sapp, AND Kevin Carter, AND Ty Law, AND,….aw to hell with it). Anyway, that was a long time ago. These days I’ll take Westbrook the Bully over Galloway the receiver. If we’re relying on a receiver, known for his speed, who is closer to 40 than 22 to get 30 catches ON THE FIELD, then all hopes are lost for our offense this season.
Not getting into the TE debate...
Keeping to this thread, I hope that Galloway doesn’t get 30 catches. ‘Cause if he does, that can only mean our “young guns” have not developed into the receivers we all hoped for them to be. I’m in a wait and see mode for our young WR, but from the effort given by Thomas(especially after he caught the ball) last year gives me hope. If Galloway makes this team, then we will also suffer in speacial teams, ‘cause he sure ain’t playing on those. He can’t possibly(Galloway that is) be a 4th WR on this team for that reason alone. If anyone has seen him play the last couple of years, then you know he is not a #2 WR.
no way galloway makes the team
i almost pissed myself when snider said 5 td’s…

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