Pour Some Sugar On Me - Observations From Yet Another Eventful Washington Redskins Offseason
The more things change, the more they stay the same. I can recall writing this article about this time the last couple years and thinking, "This year it feels different...this year it all seems to point to improvement and progress." Cue the festival of absurdity that ensued after the opening kickoff each season.
I can honestly say that once again, my prevailing thought this May is that, "This year it feels different...this year it all seems to point to improvement and progress."
Damn.
I thought that instead of jumping to the conclusion I seem to get to rather quickly each summer, I would just lay out a host of observations and we could decide collectively if this all adds up to the offseason that we actually set ourselves up for improvement and progress.
Ten Yard Fight
1) Competition up and down the roster - I figured I would lead off with the one I most recently wrote about, since it sparked such a firestorm of debate. To frame my point up succinctly: No, we do not have Pro Bowlers battling it out at each position, but we do have the sense that the new coaching regime will have zero reservations starting the best player come September. While I am hard-pressed to argue that previous coaches refrained from starting the best player, I have no problem arguing that certain positions were less than competitive in training camps. Specifically, running back and wide receiver are two spots where a lack of legitimate competition in July and August have left us either without a reliable cadre of starters or without any quality depth. That looks to be different this offseason.
2) Fred Davis is already having a great offseason - I had a chance to talk to Brian Mitchell the other night on the set of Burgundy and Gold Magazine and on a break that followed a discussion of our wide receivers, I asked him if he thought Kyle Shanahan was going to get Cooley and Davis on the field together a lot. As some of you know, Donovan McNabb is his cousin. He told me that he spoke to Donovan on the phone the other day and McNabb told him that Fred Davis is a beast. He said that McNabb believes if Davis can learn the playbook by August, it will be damn near impossible to keep him off the field. I recall watching Davis in practice last summer and noting that he appeared to be 7 feet tall on the field...a man among boys. I think Cooley is still a factor obviously, but if Davis continues developing at his current pace, he could be a real difference maker this season.
3) Selvish Capers and Erik Cook are likely to be linemen in this town for a long time - I know I am not the first to jump on the Capers bandwagon around here. Rebuilding the offensive line has ostensibly been a priority this offseason, thank God. Capers dropped like a rock to the bottom of the draft after faltering at the Senior Bowl and the Combine (in the eyes of NFL GM's that is.) He is a converted tight end that should flourish once they add some strength and footwork to his game. The selections of Capers and Cook inspire confidence in me because of who made the selections. I am ecstatic to see the Shanahans get a pair of lineman out of this draft that they think can play at the NFL level. You can't rebuild an offensive line all at once, so adding a top 5 Tackle and a couple guys that will have the chance to grow and develop under this coaching staff is a huge step forward in Phase One of the plan.
4) Guys are working hard in the weight room that need to be working hard in the weight room - This is kind of a softball observation since a lot of guys are paid to be around the weight room in the offseason. But aside from the notable absence of Haynesworth, all reports indicate that participation in Shanahan's offseason program is very high. LaRon Landry looks like a tank. Devin Thomas also looks cut out of stone. We'll see how this translates to the field come September, but I always get a kick out of seeing a weight room full of our favorite players. It is better than reading about them getting arrested or accused of outrageous acts.
5) Haynesworth is a huge distraction - I didn't say they would all be positive. I can't tell you how insulting it at least seems that a guy would get paid tens of millions of dollars and go off on his own. Who among us would cash that check from an employer and tell them that despite their request to stay local, you were going to go work out on your own? It just strikes me as unbelievably pathetic on his part. He had issues in Tennessee off the field before he came here (legal entanglements documented here since he signed.) He had issues on the field in Tennessee before he came here (stepping on Gurode's head.) Whether or not they tried to trade this guy, it is becoming more and more likely he will be lining up for the Skins on Sundays in 2010. Here's hoping he plays with the same nastiness and disruptiveness that he has displayed in the last couple months.
6) There will be another punt returner this season - I know I bashed ARE all last year but the possibility that he was not necessarily the problem does exist. It is not my theory, but come September, we will have some hard evidence to process on the matter. Our focus on punt returning specifically has become somewhat of an obsession. It was the kind of situation that snowballed, with each forgettable return further underlining what was clearly a weakness on our squad. Without a returning veteran like ARE coming back to lay claim to the punt return job, we should see a spirited competition between a few players who might be looking to make the team based on their ability to impact special teams. This is a position that could benefit greatly by competition.
7) Upgraded the QB, locked up the Left Tackle spot, and solidified the RB position - The combination of these moves cannot be understated. Our woeful offensive production the last few years begged for these kinds of moves. Again, at RB, it is not like we have a trio of All-World players duking it out. But if you believe that each of those veterans can, when healthy, carry the load, then I think we can all agree that we stand in a far better position than we did a year ago. Trent Williams has to prove it in practice and he has to show he can handle the elite pass rushers in our division. Donovan McNabb has to show he can stay healthy and exhibit the leadership necessary to right the ship. So there are some question marks still, but can you point to a recent offseason where these three areas were all solidified like this? It's strong...to quite srong.
8) Installing a defensive scheme that will lead to more turnovers - Our pass rush was much improved last season but our turnover totals were still near the bottom of the league. Let's be fair...I have never heard a Defensive Coordinator address reporters and say, "You know what, turnovers don't mean squat. We simply don't care about them and we are not going to specifically address that area of our defense." But Jim Haslett is making substantial scheme changes to a defensive unit that has been the strength of the team for years. I don't take this lightly, and I don't think Shanahan and Allen do either. Today, I am willing to bet we get more turnovers next year than we did last year. Let me be the first to admit I would have lost that bet a number of times in the last 10 years.
9) The one under-the-radar free agent signing I am most excited about watching this summer: Ryan Torain - Mike Shanahan drafted this guy in the 5th round of the 2008 draft, so there is the 5th round sleeper running back I wanted out of Shanny this year (well, kind of.) He missed three months with a fractured elbow that (red flag #1.) He was buried on the depth chart in Denver but I had my eye on him all that year. As some of you know, I write the Fantasy Mailbag over at SBNation.com and when people ask me about under the radar players, I really try to unearth a guy who is under the radar. I thought Torain was more than capable of playing at a high level in the NFL but he was simply too far down in the pecking order to be a huge fantasy contributor unless multiple injuries occurred. Sure enough, both Andre Hall and Michael Pittman were lost for the season, and Torain found himself starting a game late in the season against the Cleveland Browns. I quickly made him my Waiver Wire pickup of the week and I let the world know I had stashed him on my roster a couple weeks prior to him getting his chance (I felt so smart, I should have known what was coming.) He went gangbusters on the Browns, quickly rattling off 68 yards and a touchdown on 12 carries. I was changing my shorts after every three carries. Then it happened--on a tackle at the end of the 2nd quarter, he suffered a knee injury that turned out to be a torn ACL. So he has a history of injuries...like almost every running back out there. Our backfield is getting rather crowded but Torain is a guy I am very intrigued by and I suspect he will be given a long, hard look by the offensive coaching staff. As far as backup running backs go, I would put him in the tier above Quinton Ganther and probably Rock Cartwright. We shall see.
10) The coach is in charge - Didn't we say this about Zorn at some point before everything seemed to implode around him pretty early on last year? Zorn lost control fast and the lasting image of his lost control was Clinton Portis allegedly going over his head and dealing directly with Snyder. The Country Club atmosphere at Redskins Park in recent years came complete with an open door policy to the owner's suite--for some players. Is there anyone out there who thinks Mike Shanahan is going to tolerate players going over him? Is there anyone out there who thinks that any players from a 4-12 team won't get cut for that kind of gross insubordination? I think the quick fix was Snyder shutting that door, to eliminate the temptation altogether.
You all know as well as me that we could list 50 of these kinds of observations. I am interested in hearing yours, hearing where you agree and disagree with mine, and taking your temperature at the beginning of May on what this all means.
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It appears the same, sounds the same but damn-it
it feels different….I would have to agree, I’ll admit I was providing hope to Zorn being successful, I thought he could get it done but obviously I was wrong and in hind sight you can see it clearly…
The biggest change which is the number one reason this off-season is different and the feeling come May while being the same is totally different…THE FRONT OFFICE: I am not so sure many of us will ever understand how much Vinny handicapped all the coaches as the “leader” over the last 10 years and that includes Gibbs.
Vinny went and got Jason Taylor, why because the Redskins had two players go down but did anyone tell Vinny or did Vinny ask anyone if he would help our team?
Vinny worked it out to get Haynesworth, was it worth it, did he help the team?
It appears Vinny had a hand in every player which was brought into the Redskins over the last 10 years, and while coaches may have said or thought he did not fit with the plan…Most coaches believe they can work every player into the plan (biggest coaches failure for most, see Tebow and Josh in about 3 years)
The Front office and Coach are on the same page with what they want to build, and they want to build a team which plays an aggressive Defense (maybe not a top-10 anymore but where did that get us?) and Shanahan’s offense.
Montgomery—> Released on Monday, is a solid player and will be playing (starting) for a team in 2010, his only problem with staying on the Redskins, he did not fit with the aggressive Defense plans
The feeling which is different and why it’s different this May! No Vinny and the Redskins are building the well, REDSKINS and not a bunch of players except for maybe one or two.
Per Mike Sellers via D.C. Sports blog
“Donovan’s a great guy to have around, he’s a great leader, he’s taken over right away,” Sellers said. “And with Coach Shanahan, he’s a no nonsense guy, kind of like Coach Gibbs, but a little bit more firm. He’s taken a lot of the individuality out of the team and brought it together as a team, minus one or two people. And it’s been awesome.”
Eventful?
I haven’t noticed. Did I miss something?
As for Davis, I will say the same thing I’ve said the last 2 years – I hope you’re right. Obviously there’s a difference now though. Whereas the past two years you guys’ optimism on him has been mostly conjecture, NOBODY can doubt his ability after the 2nd half of last season. So, for the first time ever, I will say I TOO expect big things out of Davis this year. Now, that said, I’m still not prepared to write off Chris Cooley. There’s a reason he’s a two time pro bowler, and he’s in the middle of his prime.
As far as Big Al goes, I am holding my breath there. I guess I have been one of the few people who wanted to keep him around. Yes, he’s being a pain in the ass. Yes I’d like to see him working out with his teammates. But, so far, he hasn’t violated any rules, and he remains one of the most (if not THE most) dominant forces in football. Quite frankly, his talent is irreplaceable. I know, I know – it sucks. But sometimes you really do have to suck it up. Look at the Big Ben saga. Is Pittsburgh dumping him for pennies on the dollar? No. And I’ll go on record saying that he suits up for the Steelers after game 6. Now I know it’s apples and oranges, but is what Big Al’s doing anywhere near as bad as what Big Perv is doing? I don’t think so.
I think the FO misplayed the AH situation
If they wanted him here so bad why didn’t they just give him some workout bonuses to be here. He was there last year cuz he was paid too. Considering how much money we have already given him a hefty workout bonus to show up to voluntary stuff seems like a no brainer to me. Maybe they did and he refused but from outside it seems like they went out of their way to pick a fight they were destined to lose. Now there are no doubts that AH is bigger than the team.
by BayAreaBullet on May 4, 2010 12:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
have to agree
and good point on the workout bonus. They should have incorporated that when they reworked his deal. I’m sure he would’ve been against it, but that when they get lil Danny involved. He’s as good as anyone at last minute cut & paste’s to contracts. Just ask Lavar.
I doubt he didn't have them...
but a workout bonus is likely small potatoes for a guy making the kind of bank AH is.
The only workout bonuses built into his contract was for last year
And he showed then. He has proven that he will attend that stuff if paid.
by BayAreaBullet on May 4, 2010 4:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, it seems that it's only included for some years (2012 as well)...
wtf…I don’t understand the randomness to that.
"...locked down the left tackle spot"
might be a little too strongly worded, Williams hasn’t even signed or practiced yet and the backup is the same guy as last yeat.
we’ll see, fingers crossed
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
Good call
Though I suppose my main point is that a key position on our line was addressed with a high draft pick….as opposed to aging or overweight veterans/free agents.
by Ken Meringolo on May 4, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, a high draft pick was spent on the line
and I hope to see that repeated for at least 2 more years
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on May 4, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
hopefully we're SET UP for it to be locked down
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Great article Sugar
Don’t quite agree with everything but thought it was a great write up.
by BayAreaBullet on May 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Haynesworth
The sooner when can rid ourselves of him the better. Hope this is a lesson learned, listen when people tell you about attitude problems!
Winning changes everything
If we win a few early games without the D being on the field all day plus AH gets to play DE a good part of the time, I think we will see him turn some things around attitude-wise. A big clue: Is he in shape when training camp starts? If so, he could be the monster he wants his legacy to be and everyone is happy.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
When Haslett was with the Rams,
Carriker said that he played both DE (4-3 equivalent of DT) and NT in the same series of downs (1st, 2nd, and 3rd). It was within 10 seconds that such a shift took place. Haynesworth has to know that such flexibility on positions is part of the system that Haslett will want to employ.
by Jefferson1935 on May 4, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
And let's not overlook that AH has some legit gripes too
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I think
This Haynesworth thing has become overblown and many people are overreacting. Yes, I realize that Haynesworth isn’t working out with his teammates like Shanahan, and probably all of us would like him to, but when you think about it, what are people really mad at him for?
Haynesworth is working out with the trainer that got him in tip top shape during his best and most dominating years. He’s skipping voluntary workouts, meaning he does not have to be at Redskins Park (even though I’d really prefer that he be there). Based on some of the quotes from Haynesworth this offseason, it is clear that he doesn’t want to play the NT position. But why should he? If I were employed for one thing, but was then told to partake in duties that severely under-utilized my abilities, I’d be pretty upset too.
However, what’s more important is the fact that Haynesworth has basically had a “I’d prefer to play DT, but if I’m forced to play NT, I’ll do it” type of attitude and NOT a “I regret signing with Washington and I can’t get out of here soon enough” type of attitude. In fact, here’s a quote from Haynesworth himself:
Given several opportunities to express serious misgivings, however, Haynesworth declined. Here’s what he said when asked if he was no longer a good fit in D.C.
“I mean, I wouldn’t really say that,” Haynesworth said. “We’ve got a good coach and all that stuff. Whatever they ask me to do, that’s what I’m gonna do. I’m not gonna be a distraction or anything. I’m just gonna do what they ask me to do.”
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/03/haynesworth_i_dont_think_im_bu.html
So I’m not sure why so many people suddenly have what seems to be hatred for Haynesworth and can’t wait to get rid of him. I can understand people being disappointed in him (just like I am) for not participating in voluntary workouts with his teammates. But Haynesworth is expected to be at the mandatory workouts and hasn’t really said anything all that negative. I don’t think the idea of getting rid of Haynesworth (who can be the most dominating defensive player in the NFL when he’s on top of his game) is warranted.
People are making it a big deal because it’s the offseason and there isn’t anything else to talk about.
I could care less what Albert was doing right now as long as he’s getting ready for football. But I bet he’s having alot more fun than I am..
Considering he recently
Cashed a check for about 21 million dollars, I’d say he’s definitely having a lot more fun than all of us.
Haynesworth has enough bank roll
not to need playing football again. But then again, he has a lot of expensive toys and trouble with his wife. :(
by Jefferson1935 on May 5, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
With the money he has
He could buy a new wife. : -)
But seriously, if he is having problems with his wife I guess I have to feel a little sorry for him… at least a little bit.
Quick Notes
I think Randle El was only part of the problem on punt returns. Our blocking / coverage was horrible and if that doesn’t change we wont see many returns. That being said he did wave his hands in the air with 10+ yard cushions at times. Also he sucked at running.
Haynesworth. I’m waiting until training camp before I jump all over him. IF he shows up, shuts up, and is sexy, then fine. Most of what we read about him is just the media rehashing the same quote from like 4 months ago. Besides we wont have half the pass rush if we get rid of him. Orakpo is not at the pro bowl last year without haynesworth chewing up d lineman.
Record: I’m going with 7-9 and I see that as a huge improvement. Our schedule last year was way easier and we did far worse. Still i’ll take any positive movement on the record front for what it is, a positive sign.
Most excited about? Kyle Shanahans new offense. Something exciting to watch develope. I think this guy was the steal of our offseason.
What scares me the most? The conversion to a 3-4. I’m afraid we’ll suddenly have a compentant offense and our defense will be the weakside of the ball. Just seems like we’re doing it just to do it.
I can’t wait for the season to start and some of these questions to get answered!!!!!
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
11) Using our players to their strengths.
We’ve had a lot of coaches come and go over the Snyd-era. Each one brings their own scheme and attempts to teach it to the make-shift group of leftover players from the previous coaches. They’d add their big-name free agent to try and help, but after a year or two they’d be gone and we’d start again. We’ve gotten to the point where we have a roster of once-talented players being used away from their strengths and looking washed up.
This year’s front office has been very consistent in their messaging: Use players to their strengths. They have a strategy towards the type of players they want, and are building a foundation of them, but they also recognize what the strengths of each individual are. Carlos Rogers and DeAngelo Hall are press-man cover corners and shouldn’t be 15 yards off the line. LaRon Landry is the fastest wrecking ball in the league and shouldn’t be playing a 30 yard deep, angel safety. Even Orakpo should be rushing 3 times more than he did last year (as reiterated by Haslett).
This is also a reason I think the Haynesworth situation is blown way out of proportion. The media is looking for any story from Redskins camp, and Big Al not being here is the obvious one. He is the biggest difference-maker on the defense, and he’ll be used that way (not strictly at NT in a 3-4). Despite the speculation, nobody has said we’re switching to a 3-4 defense. Signing nose tackles isn’t even an indicator since they’re also prominent in 4-3 Under defensive schemes. Hybrid, and ‘Redskins Defense’, are the common words from press releases, meaning they’ll run whatever scheme matches up best to our opponent and best uses our players to their strengths.
by SSBlitz on May 4, 2010 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Wow, man
it’s like so cool when I send out a play and like all these players get lined up and then like it’s so awesome when they all come running off the field and these other guys run on the field, man, and like one guy punts to the other team, but not always cuz sometimes I’ll just call a timeout and then we run the same play, man! Can you dig that?! And then the punter Passes!! Far out!!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Three cheers for that one!
Hip-hip-Hooray!
Hip-hip-Hooray!!
Hip-Hip-Hooray!!!
I like the poll,
it forces everyone to put their vote with W or L, no taking the easy way out and saying 8-8.
Also, agree with Al_Capwned, I feel like we are trying to fix something that aint broken in switching to 3-4, especially when we are so ill prepared for it, and only got… what, one defensive player in the draft?
Yeah, but...
Our defense has been the best aspect of our team the past several years, but it still hasn’t been all that great or anything. Yes, we’ve been ranked highly, but we haven’t been able to turn the ball over, we couldn’t stop offenses when we needed to, and we weren’t a dominating or scary type of defense. I’d say that we were pretty good on defense last year at best.
The 3-4 defense is regarded as a defense that generates more pressure, confusion, and turnovers compared to the 4-3. Whether or not that’s true remains to be seen. Plus, Shanahan has said that we aren’t completely shifting to a 3-4 defense and will incorporate it, as well as incorporate the 4-3 defense depend upon the situation.
Although our defense wasn’t “broken” so to speak, it still wasn’t performing as well as it could have been and so I don’t really mind Shanahan trying to improve the defense and improve the team overall in anyway possible.
"Our defense has been the best aspect of our team the past several years, but it still hasn’t been all that great or anything."
For what it’s worth department: A look at Football Outsiders information in 2009 and 2008 – http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef
In FO scheme of things a negative is what you want for defense performance stats for many categories.
2009 Pass defense 13.2% NFL rank 20 and Run defense -14.3% NFL rank 6
In terms of the receiver classification – WR #1, WR #2, other WR, TE, and RB – the Redskins worst pass defense was against RBs in both 2009 and 2008. Redskins pass defense was 20th in 2009 and 15th in 2008. Run defense improve from 2008 (11th) to 2009 (6th). The loss of Springs more than likely hurt the Skins’ pass defense.
The addition of Haynesworth has been said to have improved pressure on the opponents QBs as reflected in sack totals by Carter and Orakpo. The Skins ranked 5th in sacks for 2009 with 40. Against the run – average line yards of 4.05 was 14th, yet power success 42% and ranked 1st in the NFL. Source: 2009 Defensive line stats – http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl You need to read the FO explanations for these concepts. Any how the comparison of 2009 to 2008 did show considerable improvement.
by Jefferson1935 on May 4, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
They provide by far the most accurate stats. Far more so than when people look at total yardage rankings on nfl.com and say, “look, we’re ranked #whatever!”
The thing to keep in mind is just that stats don’t tell the whole story. But if you need to talk stats, FO is the place to go.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
If we stack the box against the Falcons and they start hitting Gonzalez and White more, does that make us less effective against the pass and stronger against the run?
If our third straight attempt at a weak-side stretch on the goal-line gets blown up (again), does that mean our left tackle and running back are useless?
Look SSBlitz
statistics are good overall. It is generally accepted that quantification such as statistics are the rational way for decision making. Probabilities are involved. Even the scientific method is based on probabilites. You can put up situations like your “ifs” but that is not the way to go for an overall game planning or for management decisions such as player selections. Pro Football Focus has flaws, but it is not an old system and it should improve over a number of years. If you were trying to evaluate Jammal Brown (2008 info. as well as Pro Bowl), Jared Gaither, Jeremy Trueblood, or Alex Barron as trade possibilities for a tackle, PFF does provide objective standards for picking Gaither over the others. PFF info for some other positions such as safety is another issue, i.e., A. Rolle obviously ended up with a big contract from the Giants, but his stats do not look than good.
by Jefferson1935 on May 5, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to pile on
But part of the reason I became interested in Football Outsiders was watching our defenses. What their total yardage ranking was just didn’t jibe with what I was seeing on the field. If you think about it for one objective minute it is tough to put any stock in total yardage numbers because they are so dictated by the other side of the ball. As for PFF I find it alot more telling for lineman than for safeties. Football Outsiders takes into account so many variables that their stats are just more accurate. They take way more of your “what if’s” then the NFL stats do. Does that mean you should put alot of stock in their projections? Thats up to you. They have recently complained about how ESPN misrepresents them sometimes and submits something they find as merely interesting as some rock solid prediction. They are smarter than the NFL’s horrible stats and I believe it’s tough to make a legit argument otherwise. There are certainly flaws in any system of quantification(we’re talking about measuring one aspect of a game independently from the other aspects that influence it for 32 teams that don’t play the same schedule) but stuff like FO and PFF are helpful tools rather than having everyone base everything on their own individual views. A tool but not the sole way of evaluating. Anyways it is stuff like reading the following on the flaws of total yardage stats that makes me appreciate what they are doing and how godawful the NFL’s rankings are.
“Standard team rankings based on total yardage are inherently flawed.
When you open your newspaper on Sunday morning, you’ll see that the little agate-type previews of each game list team rankings by total yardage. That is still how the NFL “officially” ranks teams, but these rankings rarely match up with common sense. That is because total team yardage may be the most context-dependent number in football.
It starts with the basic concept that rate stats are generally more valuable than cumulative stats. Yards per carry says more about a running back’s quality than total yardage, completion percentage says more than just a quarterback’s total number of completions. The same thing is true for teams; in fact, it is even more important because of the way football strategy influences the number of runs and passes in the game plan. Poor teams will give up fewer passing yards and more rushing yards because opponents will stop passing once they have a late-game lead and will run out the clock instead. For winning teams, the opposite is true. Did Detroit really have a better passing game than San Diego or New England in 2006, or did the Lions have more passing yards because they went 3-13 and thus threw the ball more than any team except for Green Bay, while the Chargers and Patriots were a combined 26-6 and spent a lot of time killing the clock with the running game?
Total yardage rankings are also skewed because some teams play at a faster pace than other teams. New Orleans had nearly 200 more passing yards than Indianapolis in 2006, but were the Saints really a better offense than the Colts? The Saints ran 183 offensive drives, while the Colts had just 148. No other team in the league had fewer than 160 offensive drives. If you gave Peyton Manning another 35 drives, he would probably rack up more than 200 passing yards.
Pro Football Prospectus 2005, Cleveland chapter
Pro Football Prospectus 2005, New York Jets chapter"
by BayAreaBullet on May 5, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
RBs solidified???
I still don’t know about this – I’m more worried about their quickness / burst to holes than overall load handling. 3 guys who are definitely on the downhill side of their careers and an oft-injured back does not make me feel like a position is ‘solid’. All of them still might be capable of playing NFL caliber football, but that doesn’t mean they are going to do well.
Yes, we were pretty piss poor last year, so it’s hard to not be ‘better’, but ‘solidified’ makes me think that we’ll be in the top half of rushing offenses, and while we might get there, I don’t have the level of optimism in our current backfield roster as I do in some of the other moves.
Starting point
When talking about improvement this year over last year, I’d suggest that you start at 6-10 or even 7-9, because of so many devastating one time events, including injuries to almost all of our best players. So if you think we’re 3 wins better, you’d be guessing 9-7 or 10-6. Going down the schedule and assuming only minor improvements, I can count at least 7 wins and 4 tough but winnable games. I too worry most about the 3-4 defense, which has the potential to ruin the season and Shanahan’s career. Thinking of the 4-3, I see the line as Daniels and Carter, Haynesworth and Golston, with LBs Rak, Rocky and Fletcher. In the 3-4, the line as Haynesworth, Kemo, Carriker, with LBs Fletch and Rocky, Rak and Carter. If in the 4-3 and wanted to shift to the 4-3, just drop back Carter, leaving the line as Daniels Golston and Haynesworth – assuming Golston can handle NT. You can substitute anybody who can handle both DT and NT for Golston. Bigrm18 – thanks for printing that Haynesworth quote. I remember it, and to me, it suggests he’s going to be a good soldier. He wants to dominate and win. He may gripe a bit, but he’ll still be great.
- is like being happy that our baseball players are swinging bats. Yeah, “it could be worse”, but I’m not sure if the fact that Devin Thomas and LaRon Landry are getting buff is a reason to think they’re getting better. Thomas has been a lazy sack before so it’s good to see he’s not being completely worthless, but he needs to be consistent, let’s see if he does – if he does he’ll show up on the field, if not he’s going to suck balls like he has the last 2 years.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on May 4, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
sorry, that was supposed to be #4
Re #4, not #1 —
#4. is like being happy that our baseball players are swinging bats. Yeah, "it could be worse", but I’m not sure if the fact that Devin Thomas and LaRon Landry are getting buff is a reason to think they’re getting better. Thomas has been a lazy sack before so it’s good to see he’s not being completely worthless, but he needs to be consistent, let’s see if he does – if he does he’ll show up on the field, if not he’s going to suck balls like he has the last 2 years.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on May 4, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You aren't wrong...
I kind of started it tongue in cheek as a way of underscoring the absence of those NOT working hard at the Park…but I also wanted desperately to find a way to applaud the guys who actually seemed to be taking Shanny’s new reign seriously…I was all out of Participation trophies! (yeah, I hate that Participation Trophies too)
by Ken Meringolo on May 5, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
all the rest are relevant though
i think 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 are incredibly relevant though
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on May 4, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions
Skins Predictions/State of Mind
I heard from a quasi-reliable source that while watching ‘09 game films, Shanahan stopped the tape, turned to the players in the room and said, “You guys actually ran that play?”
Maybe I’m also struck by too much off-season optimism, but my (considerable) gut tells me that while most folks are psyched that the DEFENSE will be more aggressive this year, the BIGGEST change may be that the OFFENSE will be more aggressive!
Do they have the horses to make the playoffs? No, I don’t think they do. Then again, if the injury bug bites one of the other NFC East teams like it bit the ’Skins last year, anything is possible.
by Tee L on May 5, 2010 7:41 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Two things on both sides of the ball that can negate this off-season's progress
OFFENSE #1 – Although they drafted Williams, Capers, and Cook I see the offensive line as a weakness to the team. Williams has to prove he can be a starting left tackle in the NFL, something he could not do in College. Capers and Cook have potential, but they won’t show themselves to be either back-up material or future starting competition until training camp. Don’t get me wrong, Williams, Dockery, Rabach, Williams, and Hicks are a much better line up than last year. At least our supporting cast is better than last year too. Better, yes…dominant no.
- - The receiving corps is just too untested to be considered set, a plus, or a minus. Coaching and an improved front line can improve production, but there is no guarantees here.
DEFENSE #1 – Switching to a 3-4 has been addressed by the shear volume of players added to the team who are D-linemen. But, not enough has been done to address the 4 part of the 3-4. McIntosh is disgruntled, Fletcher has never shared the middle of the anyone is his career, Orakpo has to transition to a new role after barely learning his last one, and the only additions to the linebacker corps are transitions (Wilson, etc.) and some kid we drafted in the 4th round most say is better suited to a 4-3 than a 3-4. All of this does not inspire a lot of confidence in this unit.
- - The secondary. DeAngelo Hall is a ball hawk but a poor corner. They will have to cover for his weaknesses. Rogers is disgruntled but getting over it. Yet, his play has diminished and he has hands of stone. Landry is moving to SS thank God as he can’t play FS to save his life. Remember, last year they kept him as FS because they didn’t have anyone else on the team who could do it better. Did they add someone who COULD play it better in the offseason that I don’t know about? Our younger guys (Tryon, etc.) don’t impress me one bit. None has pushed the starters the last 2 years.
On the plus side
We will be watching football and drinking beer. Cheer up!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
On the plus side
I didn’t mean to sound all doom and gloom – I have higher expectations for this year than last year, now that we have adult leadership.
Also, since I have season tickets in section 103 I’ll be joining you at the game watching football and drinking beer too!
On a separate note, if Albert Haynesworth shows up out of shape I will be very interested in seeing what the repercussions will be. He said he wants to be in the best shape of his life and he got that way before with the guy he is working with. I hope so. It was annoying and sometimes funny seeing that lard ass sloth off the field out of breath all season.

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