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The Thursday Line: Who Emerges From These Camp Battles?

It is almost June, which means it is almost yet another month on the NFL calendar where rampant speculation and wild predictions reign supreme. Let's not be left out of all that--after all, we can make predictions based on little more than clips of guys lifting weights as well as anyone out there.

We'll shift away from the Over/Under format today and present you with a few positions where we expect to see stiff competition this offseason. Feel free to select players not mentioned or defended by me in the comments below. In most cases, your guesses are as good or better than mine.

#2 Wide Receiver -- Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly
Be prepared to beat this dead horse to a pulp over the next few months. I have said it before but it bears repeating...whenever I have asked a current player about these two, the answer is almost ALWAYS the same: Malcolm Kelly causes players to stop and watch him with his ability to bring down balls out of the air (reminds me of Kevin that way.) He has a real "wow" factor in his style. Yet, for my money, I continue to see Devin Thomas as the frontrunner for this spot. Ideally, both of these players will be on the field together with Santana Moss this season. To me, Thomas is a better yards-after-the-catch guy. He is bigger and stronger than pretty much anyone playing defense outside the box, and he seemed to be figuring that out by the end of last season (as evidenced by his performance against the New Orleans Saints.) I'm going with Devin here, because I think Donovan McNabb's skills play to Thomas' strengths (I'll explain in the comments section below if anyone desires to debate that very arguable statement.)

Right Tackle -- Stephon Heyer or Artis Hicks

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Heyer has worn out a lot of Redskins fans with his inconsistent showing in certain games over the last couple seasons. I think it is fair to call him the longshot here, as Hicks is a pro's pro, holds the confidence of his coaches and has experience playing at a high level in this league. I hate when somebody just takes the easy ones all the way down, so I will make the case for Heyer today. At 6'6", 320 lbs, he has a slight size advantage over Hicks. Heyer started all 16 games for the Redskins last season (can that be right? check here if you need the proof) and was put into a very tough spot when he had to sub in for Chris Samuels at Left Tackle. The dude is extremely strong and powerful, but has been abused in the past by some of the league's elite pass rushers. I have never had the chance to interview Artis Hicks, so this might be slightly unfair, but whenever I have had the occasion to talk to Heyer, I have never felt like I was talking to a guy who felt he didn't belong or couldn't cut it. Trust me, there are some real knuckleheads out there that you walk away from thinking, "Wow...no way that guy stays in the league." My feeling is that Heyer is the kind of player that can and will improve. I don't believe he has played his best football yet, and I am optimistic that a right side of Mike Williams and Stephon Heyer could become a formidable side to run behind.

Nickel Back -- No, not Kevin's favorite band
DeAngelo Hall and Carlos Rogers should lock down the top two corner spots, leaving what could be an intense battle for the third spot to unfold in July and August. Justin Tryon, Phillip Buchanon and Kevin Barnes are the guys I am focusing on today, but I am open to any suggestions you have. For starters, I need Kevin Barnes to grow up fast. He was a 3rd round pick and I just don't think I can take another wasted draft pick out of the top 3 rounds. Third-rounders should be starters. He was considered by many to be a reach when we drafted him (at least he wasn't a punter) but he has the tools necessary to get on the field on Sundays. Tryon has improved as time has gone on, but he lacks the size Barnes has and the experience Buchanon brings. Between Tryon and Barnes, I am stepping out on yet another limb and taking Barnes. I think horse racing has officially warped my risk appetite. In Haseltt's new scheme, I wonder which of these guys will be best suited to step in and contribute. Buchanon, as athletic and polished as he might be, is still the re-tread veteran that coaches brought in to push the likes of Barnes and Tryon. I don't think Buchanon has to make this team as the 3rd corner though, thanks to his potential to contribute as a returner. Barnes and Tryon might have to take the next step in their games to crack the 53-man roster, and I say that based on almost zero first-hand knowledge. So you have to feel good about that.

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Which of these three players has the best chance to emerge as the 3rd cornerback on the depth chart?
Justin Tryon
129 votes
Kevin Barnes
296 votes
Phillip Buchanon
430 votes

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Barnes is the 5th corner right now behind Buchanon and Tryon

Tryon saw a lot of action last year, that should really help his chances in camp this year.

Barnes I’m not high on from what Keim has been telling us. Still a lot of fundamental problems. At least he can tackle though.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on May 27, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

and Nickelback rocks...

which is evident since someone got a tattoo of Chad Kroeger on their ass. (worst way to lose a bet?)
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by Kevin Ewoldt on May 27, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

beat me to it

my daughters (3 and 4) have ‘ROCKSTAR’ memorized. It was pretty funny until the in-laws heard them saying “The girls come easy and the drugs come free.” I had to tell my MIL that that was just a bedtime song my wife sings to them.

by CJHutch on May 27, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to go against a Don in this forum but to debate for fodder I think Barnes beats out Tryon on the depth chart largely due to Haslett and his system. Tryon is too much of the old regime’s type of guy. Haslett likes to produce turnovers which Barnes has more potential to do due to his size and hitting/tackling ability. Tryon reminds me of the next Ade Jimoh – fast and always making the roster but when it counts gets burned down the sideline and/or over the top. In the end though Buchanon should more than adequately hold down the nickel spot while returning punts.

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by bigity b on May 27, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

during tryon's limited time

he’s actually managed to do a couple of things, an interception as well as a sack along with his special teams duties.

did Barnes manage to make it onto teams last year?

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by Rekka on May 27, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

but jim zorn

i talked to kevin barnes and he said the reason jim zorn didnt want to play him is cuz he didnt want to put his job in the hands of rookies…

by pdtodd12 on May 29, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

© Joe Gibbs
uz he didnt want to put his job in the hands of rookies…

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by smutsboy1 on May 29, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heyer or Hicks?

Hicks already won the starting job.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on May 27, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

The more intriguing question is

3rd tackle…..Capers or Heyer?

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by Skins Fan '77 on May 27, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a good one

I think Brandon Banks might be able to beat out Heyer.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on May 27, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have it on good authority

that this is a true statement.

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on May 27, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thomas over Kelly

which is too bad. Kelly’s potential is great but bad knees are evidently his undoing…….
Thanks again Vinny!

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by Skins Fan '77 on May 27, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

voted tryon

but hoping barnes can step up, definatly has the potential to be something great… size speed and hands are all there plus the wow factor he packs on his tackles

by skinsfan28 on May 27, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I would love to see that happen

FYI…to all you Terp fans out there: The Skins play the Detroit Lions on October 31st—-also know as Jahvid Best’s new team.

by Ken Meringolo on May 27, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

how come no blurbs on the RB?

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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on May 27, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Does it really matter?

I don’t think it necessarily matters which worn-out running back we have as a “starter”.

by mdm1185 on May 27, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn't pick every high profile spot...

we have to have something to talk about by mid-June.

by Ken Meringolo on May 27, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

RBs

I think a couple of reports (mainly John Keim) suggest that Larry Johnson is looking great and Willie Parker not good at all – don’t know if that means anything in the OTAs. Then there’s the Westbrook boys – I hope they keep no more than one, that one being Brian. Then there is Torain and a couple of UDFAs. I am hoping CP bounces back.

by Donnio1234 on May 27, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting

I guess LJ has a better injury history, so he’s starting with less obstacles than WP.

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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on May 28, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tryon looked good during the reg season...

Maybe we should give him a chance. Well if he is that #3 corner then i’m sure he earned it. Cheering for either him or Barnes, because we need some youth at the corner position especially when Rogers leave us next year.

by ATLredskin on May 27, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Watch out for Malcolm Kelly

This guy has hands like the best of them. It is hard to say if his hands are good enough to overcome Devin’s speed. Ideally, I would like to start Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas, because I love both of them, but I think Thomas gets it for his speed.

by BigOLinemen on May 27, 2010 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Kelly

Everybody had hopes for him, but at this stage, I think he could actually get cut. Say they keep Moss, Thomas, Galloway, Wade and Williams, with maybe Austin and Hagans on the practice squad. Malcolm has to start performing or he’ll be gone.

by Donnio1234 on May 28, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kelly

Yes, I wouldn’t bet anything on it. But what if, say, three of the guy’s I mentioned (plus SM and DT) actually beat him out, that is, play better than Malcolm? I know he has good hands, but isn’t blazing fast. And he was Vinny’s guy, not Shanahan’s. Just wondering, not predicting.

by Donnio1234 on May 29, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

please

go watch some of the OTA work the past few times on redskins.com of the secondary -

is it just me – or does Tryon look TWICE as fast as every other CB out there?

by Kia.Area51 on May 28, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Beast Mode

Come on release Willie and either trade or release Portis and go get Lynch from Buffalo and pick up Brian Westbrook already

by B2Nasty on May 30, 2010 1:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Beast Mode

Release Willie, sure, but the rest – no. By the way, anybody have an opinion on this guy LenDale White just released by Seattle? I confess, I don’t remember anything about him.

by Donnio1234 on May 30, 2010 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

LenDale White played with Reggie Bush at USC

& was traded to the Seahawks about a month ago, re-uniting him with Pete Carroll who then cut him just a few days ago. He will probably be suspended the 1st four games of next season for PEDs but that is just a rumor ( I think it is a true one tho ). If his college coach felt like he was done or was not worth the effort after trading for him, I would think that we should also stay away. He was a talented but injury prone/piss-poor attitude type player

by ENsDad27 on May 31, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

He’s not really injury prone. More accurately he had weight issues but was supposedly in great shape this year. I don’t really remember any horrible attitude problems either, just frustrated at losing his starting job. (who wouldn’t be?)

Lendale is a talented power back with decent speed. I think Seattle cut him b/c the new regime isn’t tolerating off the field/suspension type issues.

He’s worth a look, but might want too much money or might not be happy in our inevitable platoon situation.

Also, no trading for Marshawn Lynch. No trading period.

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by smutsboy1 on Jun 1, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

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