Haynesworth or Arenas - Which Contract is Worse for D.C. Fans?
If DC could get out of one contract, which one would you choose....Gilbert or Haynesworth?
(Note: Since the Redskins already paid 80% of Al's contract, I'll add the stipulation that they'd get a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick in getting out of that deal....Gilbert would be a clean cut).
I was in the camp that the media has overblown the Haynesworth issue, but Albert recently was quoted as saying he feels "deceived" by the Redskins. That's not going to ease any tensions. I also just exchanged emails with the lawyer for the victim in the 2008 car accident Haynesworth was involved in, and we can expect a civil trial for that during the season:
"Haynesworth has not voluntarily accepted any responsibility for the accident. The case has not been resolved and we are preparing for trial. With current court schedule, we anticipate jury trial in the Fall of this year." - Jon Perry
First, let's lay out the contracts:
- Arenas has 4 years left on $111 million deal.
- Haynesworth has 6 years left on $100 mil ($41 mil guaranteed of which $32 mil is paid)
2010: $3.6 million (+ $21 million guaranteed option bonus paid 4/1/10), 2011: $5.4 million, 2012: $6.7 million (+ $500,000 workout bonus), 2013: $8.5 million (+ $20 million "discretionary signing bonus" + $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31 = Poison Pill Year), 2014: $10.3 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31), 2015: $11.5 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31), 2016: Free Agent
It's clear Gilbert's knee is not worth $25 million a year, but the Wizards are a lock to get another poor lottery pick, and with everything Gil has done for the city of DC, there is a chance he can come back to that star status any team needs. It is still possible to build around the 28-year old point guard. In the 32 games he started last year, he averaged his career averages in almost every stat. Gilbert is a good teammate and still could be the face of this franchise. He was able to leave the halfway house to workout at Gold's gym.
Albert, on the other hand, came here under the impression he could play under his terms and has been sour ever since the new regime flipped the table. Albert is arguably the best defensive player in the NFL and could be a huge contributor for this team (if HE chooses). However, he has been a distraction and shown poor leadship in deciding not to learn the new system with the rest of the team. Will it be a distraction all year? So, that leads to the question...who would you rather see gone?
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Gilbert Arenas |
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Pros |
- Healthy - Arguably the most dominant player in his position currently - Makes all the players around him instantly better (two 10+ sack DEs for the first time in almost a decade) - Shows he cares about winning taking less $$ to DC and by his public statements throughout the season when the team was performing poorly |
- Reflects the utmost confidence on the court - Can hit the big shot - Leader in the community - Great personality and charisma - Draws the best opposing defender making it easier for teammates |
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Cons |
- Opted out of voluntary workouts with teammates despite new system and all other teammates present - Caused a car accident that left a 22-year old man disabled; Still has not accepted responsibility. - Not hesitant to call out coaches publicly for poor decisions - Wants to decide himself how to be used versus doing what is asked of the coaches |
- Has only played in 47 games the last 3 years due to his knee - Obvious problems with the law and the lies to cover it up - Mocked the gun charges and shamed the team in the games prior to his suspension - Lacks seriousness and goofs around too much in the locker room and off the court. |
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My order
1) Arenas
2) Haynesworth
3) Portis
Portis should have been cut a long time ago, but his contract has prevented it. We couldn’t get rid of him now without forking over cash.
Arenas has a lot more money coming to him.
Haynesworthless has already been paid most of his money. It was a pretty big waste of money for Snyder, though. I don’t think he cares.
Arenas, only b/c his money is guaranteed and the NBA cap is so tight
Bad contracts in the NBA hamstring a team for years.
In the NFL it’s possible to cover come a bad contract more easily.
The Wiz are truly screwed.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I voted for Haynesworth
I don’t care about the money…
I just feel like Arenas tries a lot harder to be a great pro. He has been immature and has set the team back considerably with some of his latest antics, but I get the sense that he cares more about his teammates than Haynesworth. To be fair, that observation is from as far outside the locker room as there is…well, almost as far. Kevin’s vantage point—by law—is from 500 feet away.
My gut tells me that Gil works harder for his money than Albert. Also, in football, as dominant as Haynesworth is, he is still only one out of 11 guys on the field for his team, whereas Gil is one out of only 5. If both players were equally integral to their teams, I think Gil would have to get the nod since he represents a much higher percentage of the starting core.
Hmmm AH all the way
That a good question you asked. Now knowing and talking with Gilbert Arenas who has done more for the Inner city of DC it clear that Gil will be here longer then Haynesworth or Portis. Gil is a Star and will always be a Star in DC. When was the last time you seen a Redskins besides Mr. Redskin #28 come and talk to the kids in SouthEast DC? Gil give back to the inner city and he always do clinics for free. You don’t see him with no body guards when he plays at the Goodman League. He drives up sign autographs young and old. He even buys kids shoes and clothes that are less fortunate. Like Ken said he tries hard and will grow in life.
I just feel that some of the players don’t know what it means to wear and represent the BG. For 21 mil in my account I would even cheer if they asked me to. I think long gone are the days where the Redskins Player was like Gods in the Nation Capital. I remember if you was Black or White, Jew or Baptist there was one force that United all of DC and that was the Washington Redskins Players of the 60’ 70’ 80’ and 90’. We had our grumblings but they was a family and was part of our family. These New Skins need to know that if they leave it all out on the field they will have a Sea and Wave of diehard skins fans. Heck with the money or scheme it about the BG Nation.
by Niteoftheskins on May 18, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions
Gilbert
It’s not even close. AH actually has a good contract going forward.
by BayAreaBullet on May 18, 2010 11:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
TEABAGGED. Open up bitches.
Albert plays, Areans doesnt. Gilberts gone. No discussion. Plus, you have to be a complete idiot to have 700+ firearms in a collection and NOT know you can’t possess or carry (open or concealed) inside the District. I’d rather have a pompous mean ass dude on my football team over a flagrant idiot on my basketball team. I mean seriously if you’re the baddest motherfucker around, you should roll like Haynesworth does. I hope he stays and does well so all of you who are calling for his head, are silenced. Any why would you want to waste 32 million that has already been paid? That’s just bad business.
by TheOverLordMarshl on May 18, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions
Actually, you idiot...
It’s not bad business. Throwing good money after bad is bad business. Cutting bait is often the best course of action. If they can get a pack of picks (3rd, 5th, 6th) for the man, take it.
Albert’s contract is better than Gilbert’s for one reason and one reason only – it isn’t guaranteed. They advanced AH’s bonus money to hit in the year without a cap so he is just due his base plus performance incented bonuses (many of which he won’t hit).
Gilbert’s deal is a huge albatross around the neck of that team, and EG needs to be shit-canned for making it.
As far as the question as to which deal is worse? Meh, I’ll say Albert. Why? He’s just an ass that took the big deal, and is now flipping the team the bird. He’s got 60+ guys in the locker room mad at him, and is holding the coaching staff hostage. Gilbert, on the other hand, pissed ownership off (despite the fact that they were complicit in encouraging/allowing his antics to proceed unchecked) and probably annoyed his teammates with his shoot-first persona, but at least Gil can (when healthy) take a game over and do what it takes to see W’s put up on the board. As we’ve seen with this team last year, AH can play well and the Redskins still go 4-12.
by TerroristFistJab on May 18, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
This is cute..
Gil can (when healthy) [ play ] a game.
When’s the last time that has happened more than 20 games in a row? ‘05-’06? Please, your argument is faulty, as I’m sure your brain is also; shown by your insolence in your aforemetioned post by saying you would prefer a mogoloid over an asshole. Choke on my balls bitch. Your opinion is wrong.
by TheOverLordMarshl on May 18, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
And lets not forget a “self imposed” suspension keeping him from playing when he finally gets “healthy”. Would you’d still like to argue that all the money Arenas has made for doing nothing, that you’d prefer Gilbert? Get Agent 0 out of here. However, his moniker of Zero fits him well. TEABAGGED.
by TheOverLordMarshl on May 18, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Be honest...
You don’t know what the fuck your saying when you speak, do you?
Besides, Gil’s two off the court issues were stupid, but never resulted in any injuries. Fat Al on the other hand paralyzed a guy in a car accident. Oh and on the field he has a history of dirty hits and “mongoloid” behavior.
We don’t know what Gil’s knee is going to do, that is correct. But we do know that Albert has himself missed several games due to being injured. That game when ‘rak went off and had four sacks – yeah, Al wasn’t out there. Again.
by TerroristFistJab on May 18, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
the victim was not paralysed
he had a broken hip.
just keeping it real
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on May 18, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
he actually is permanently disabled
I left out this part of the email…
Mr. Edmondson is permanently disabled. He is not able to work and had to move back in with his parents. He is very thankful for them….He will need 4-5 hip replacements over his life. Plus he was a laborer. 40 years of lost wages adds up.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on May 18, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
ridiculous.....
have you been in the locker room?….talked with 60 players?….do you really think Shanny is being held hostage?…thats stupidity unveiled
Well..
Considering the fact that the team is switching base defenses and can’t actually judge Albert’s performance in the early steps of that process because he can’t be bothered to show the fuck up, I would say Shanallen is being held hostage.
Albert took the money and went home this offseason and refuses to show up to OTA’s in the first year of a brand freaking new coach with a brand new defense. Albert needs to be there.
Did you not hear what Philip Daniels said? Hell, Clinton Portis even showed up. This diva crap is far more obnoxious to me than Gilbert’s (admittedly criminal) imaturity.
by TerroristFistJab on May 18, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Better....but
Shanny is not being held hostage by anyone…..he has enough DLs on the roster to start an entire basketball team on the side….he is not going to change what he is doing is Al never shows up….the defense is not dependent on Big Al, much better if he is there? most definitely. Did you not see Phillips Daniels explaination of how his words were misused? even adding that he had to laugh at how folks like us were interpereting the situation. He lives somewhere else, and is training there (so he says) until it is mandatory for him to show up. I am not on his side here….yes he “should” be here. but he is a monster player and the world is not perfect, but I want that man on my team on Sunday…yes Portis showed up….Portis is being challenged for his job for the first time Albert does not have that fear.
…….spell check it yourself bee-atch
Say what you will...
Fat Albert has not done anything wrong.(yet). He is just doing the minimum required.
I am not standing up for him though.
I vote for Gilbert. There are only 5 starters in the NBA. He killed that team.
Yeah, I go with Arenas
In a perfect world, Albert would want to be as great as Gilbert does. The problem is, Big Al has the skills to be great, and Gilbert doesn’t. Haynesworth is a top 5 defender in the league. He could be #1 if he wanted to. Gilbert will never be the best player in the NBA. I don’t even think he can be top 10 again.
IMHO
Based purely on their contracts, I’d have to go with Gil. But, considering all other factors, I’d have to go with Fat Al. We all know that AH can be the most dominating defensive player in the league IF he wants to. However, how many of us truly believe that Haynesworth is going to come in here and play with 100% effort? Plus, this 3-4 thing may not do Haynesworth any justice. Of course, none of us know for sure, but what will Haslett ask of Haynesworth? If Haynesworth will be asked to occupy blockers on occasion instead of being allowed to go after the QB like he wants to, his talents will be severely underused, and obviously, there’d be no point in having a player of his quality if we don’t use him to his full potential. Plus, I just don’t get the sense that Haynesworth truly wants to be here. I think if he really had a choice, he’d be on his way out.
I’m not trying to say that Gil isn’t without flaws, because what he did to get himself into that gun situation was completely idiotic, but Gil is still a good player and works as hard as anyone in the NBA and strives to be the best. Even though we all know he’ll never reach it, but still… Plus, the Wizards are well under the cap room this year, so they don’t absolutely need to get rid of him in order to gain cap room. And ultimately, I think Arenas will have more impact in the wins that the Wizards get (it may not be a lot of them, but whatever) than Haynesworth will have in the wins the Redskins get.
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So Lavar Arrington and Chad Dukes picked up this debate. I’ll be on their show at 4pm to discuss for anyone who wants to listen.
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haha i listen to that show every day unfortunatly i’m not off till 4:30
Are you forreal
I know some of you are smoking meth crack and some izz momo. You can’t compare AH to GIL. Who took the Wiz to the playoff and performed it was Gil. What has FAT AL done in 16 games not a got da*m thing. Gil is in the TOP 10 when he is health hands down. Yeah he was always known as a clown but hell the right to bear arms is legal. Add up what Gil get paid for 82 games vs 16 games and you will see that AH then stole the show. For all you damn Gil hater you will see this year he light up roasted some folks. Scoring 22.3 point is not sorry. Hell getting 4 sacks for 21 mil is sorry and you don’t even come to OTA. You summmmaaaa itchesssssssssss
This isn't a comparison of the 2 players
it’s asking “who’s contract would you get rid of first?”
that’s a very different question.
now where my itchessss at!? © Ben Roethlisberger
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
that was in 1824.
What has he don lately. Hurt two straight years. Finally is sort of healthy and decides it a great idea to pull a gun on a teammate and laugh it off. That whole organization is a complete joke. From Kwame, to Old Ass Jordan to renaming the team. Lets just pray Leonsis can pull magic like he did with the Caps. them, maybe then they will be half way watchable.
it ain't gonna be pretty
but Leonsis is gonna turn that team into a contender.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Gilbert gets the nod b/c he has done absolutely nothing
while Haynesworth played a bit last year and MAY, MAY play some this year and produce
I understand that this is Hogs Haven and we are Redskins first,
But Arenas’ contract is so much worse for the Wizards than Haynesworth’s is for us. The Wizards cant get out of Arena’s contract and its killing their available salary. We have no salary cap right now in the NFL, we can get rid of Haynesworth and the only one who will have suffered is Snyder(who cares?). Besides, Haynesworth can play for us and he will be great when he does, Arenas may not be available to play(jail,suspension) and when he does he will be a washed up PG that is second to John Wall.
The Shanahan era is going to bring the Redskins back to Glory! Great QB and an actual O-line.
Just plain Wrong
You said Albert Haynesworth was quoted as saying he was deceived.Thats just wrong, show the quote.
I think racism drives this hate for Albert
in more circles than the contract…even more than envy
when a Stafford or a Bradford grabbing a huge chunk of cash
Manning or Brady..it’s no big deal
Tarentino or Cameron score way more then Haynesworth
yet ESPN and the NFL channel only show the scowl

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