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What can we expect from the rookies?

The second minicamp has wrapped up, and now the contracts will start rolling in soon enough. At first there is a trickle, then a flood of new contracts. This time last year, the Lions already had a contract prepared which set the prices for last years rookie pool. This year, the Rams didn't have the same fervour to talk numbers with Bradford.

What about our boys?

I don't expect all our rookies to make too much of an impact on this team. Sometimes we can get caught up in the hype, a circus catch or a killer workout which skews our perception of how the player will actually perform.

Besides, you can pull this post back up and rub my face in the errors down the track.

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1 - Trent Williams - He's been penciled in at the starting left tackle and hopefully we will see that in pen at the end of training camp. So far he has said the right things, and if he signs on time, it will confirm that he protects McNabb's blind side this year. Mike Shanahan understands what a LT needs to be in his ZBS moreso than any of the pundits. I think we can all trust his opinion. We have also learned that spending all that time with Bradford served a purpose of finding out more about Williams work ethic and the question marks surrounding it. Having said that, if we were running a more traditional system, Okung would have been the pick.

2 - Perry Riley - The Redskins have their two starting middle linebackers in place, however Riley will be given his chance to run with the two's and show that he can take over that important role in the middle of the defense after Fletcher. Expect him to try and make his mark on special teams, but not much more this year.

3 - Dennis Morris - There is something about this guy that reminds me of Leonard Weaver. You can tell that he isn't afraid of contact, has nice hands and decent speed. With Mike Sellers on the roster, they may store Morris as the 3rd TE and have him learn both positions. The hardest part about being a back is blitz pickup, a concept that he will need to master in order to take the place of Sellers. However while Shanahan hasn't been afraid to cut experienced players, Sellers should be on the roster on opening day.

Don't expect any worthwhile production immediately (in fact he will probably be inactive), but this is the kind of pick that will take time to come to fruition. Can they wait? That is the question.

4 - Terrence Austin - There is already a good feeling about Austin amongst the 'Skins faithful. I would hate to burst anyone's bubble, but this guy isn't DeSean Jackson. Jackson was an accomplished receiver and returner in college, Austin hasn't scored a kick or punt return touchdown. I think a spot on the practice squad will be TA's fate, and he may get an opportunity through injury or good play.

However we know that he is a hard worker. He may just get that 5th WR spot since there isn't an established returner currently.

5 - Erik Cook - This was one player I liked before the draft. His versatility could gain him a place on the 53 man roster, however there are already quite a few players ahead of him in the pecking order to play guard. I think he will be on the practice squad.

6 - Selvish Capers - I remember screaming at the television in the 6th round to grab Capers. However his dreadful performance in the Senior Bowl week dropped his stock further than I thought. Ironically the Eagles picked up Brandon Graham who caused Selvish's downfall.

He has good mobility and strength, ideal for the Zone Blocking Scheme. He should be the back-up swing tackle, assuming he beats out Heyer as I believe he will. However don't expect too much this year unless injuries force him into the line-up.

Do I think this was a bad draft?

No, it was the type of draft this team needed to have. One immediate starter, two next in line prospects, two value prospects in the seventh and a flyer on Austin. You couldn't expect much more from Shanahan, Allen and co. especially with the few picks they had.

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Good review and I agree that new guys are too often given the pass as the greatest...

NEW THING but very few rookies provide an impact in the rookie year.

Although, not to go “LJP” but I believe Morris will be good enough to eliminate Sellers from the 53 man roster. Most of the offensive sets will use only 1 back Ask and answer some history questions Who was the last impact FB for the Denver Bronco’s, Did Houston carry a FB last year?
Capers will win the Right tackle spot by the end of the year

by dr WNC on May 13, 2010 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Ehh

Capers has great potential, but I think that is an insult to Artis Hicks, who I bet will be a very reliable starter, to say Capers will start by the end of the year.. I don’t see a pro bowl or anything, but expect this guy to provide consistency. I see our whole line being average, but average is a GIANT upgrade from last year.

Really, aside from Trent Williams and Terrance Austin, who I see being the returner, regardless of his ability to take it back to the house, I see no other rookies producing. Riley has a good future and will get good reps in rotation, Cook has interesting size and “could”, with good grooming, take over for Mike Williams in a few years. I still think Morris is being looked at way too highly. He is versatile. Okay, and so are a ton of NFL players that don’t make it. I see him playing FB/3rd TE. Wow…no real impact at all.

by BigOLinemen on May 13, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about the end of the year

but Capers will hold down our RT spot someday. You can write that down.

by CarverM on May 13, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll go on record, too

Saying that Morris will get more time than Sellers this season—that is, if Sellers even makes the team.

As for impact FBs for the Broncos, Howard Griffith was a big part of TD’s success during Denver’s Super Bowl seasons. He was a solid blocker and also had some fairly good years catching the ball. He actually scored a couple touchdowns in their second SB win, too.

by Reedskin on May 14, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

No slight on Hicks but he is a backup player

Hicks may solidify a line to average but he’s a backup, a top-notch solid backup but that is what he is and i’m glad he’s on the team and hope he sticks for awhile but we still need a solid right tackle.

by dr WNC on May 14, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Big, Dennis Morris no real impact ?? LOL I thought you said you knew something about blocking.

You can teach blocking, but you can’t teach “BLOCKING.” This guy is aggressive at the point of attack. He wants to block unlike some others, that do it because the have to. He will give Shanahan so much more flexibility when it comes to formations and sets. He can run block, pass protect or go out on a pass route from HB / TE / FB / WR or in motion. I am curious is Mike Sellers able to do this ? (no) I will bet that even if he is not able to pick up the whole Offense this year, he will be put in as a situational player at least. His playing time all depends on his ability to retain the offensive plays.

by LETJASONPASS on May 16, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea bout that dr

Peyton Hillis was a absolute beast for them until he was traded, I remember at one Pinot he was there starting RB… Mayb because all the others were injured tho ha

by washfan29 on May 14, 2010 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

*point *maybe

by washfan29 on May 14, 2010 7:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nice post...

Yea, with Will Montogmery holding the backup Center and Guard position…Erik Cook is a stretch.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on May 14, 2010 5:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I hope Wil Montgomery doesn't make the team

He was aweful last year. I saw him get blown into the backfield too many times.

I don’t remember Montgomery being a C. Litch can play both G and C, and Shanny has worked with him in Denver. Is that maybe whom you were referring to Kevin?

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by Tiller56 on May 15, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Will Montgomery

played about a quarter of the offensive snaps, all at right guard. His Pro Football Focus rating for run blocking was -4.1 and mainly contributed to his overall negative rating. Derrick Dockery’s, the LG starter, run blocking rating was -4.2. Even BMW’s run blocking (at RG only) was slightly negative. Shanahan is going to want more production out of the guard positions in order to have a successful running game. Something will have to give. One aspect of Heyer’s play was that he had a slightly positive rating on run blocking (Is Heyer a possible RG?). The coaches will want the best 5 offensive linemen playing.

by Jefferson1935 on May 14, 2010 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

saying Morris

will push Sellers off the roster is a stretch. This post is right on in saying that we sometimes put too much faith in rookies. Sellers mans a starting position. Shanny isn’t gonna let go of a legit starter to plug a project into the starting lineup. I too hope that Morris someday supplants Sellers, but it ain’t happening this year. As I’ve said plenty of ties before (mainly to LJP), let’s see him do work against NFL competition before we give him significant playing time, let alone start him.

by CJHutch on May 14, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not saying Morris will be a starter

I’m saying in Shanahan’s offense the FB is almost non-existent and the need for a FB will be minimal, as such not much need for Sellers when TE’s can play FB/HB and slots as well as TE

by dr WNC on May 14, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you mean Kyle Shanahan's offense, then you're correct.

If you mean MIKE Shanahan’s offense, see my reply above on former Bronco, Howard Griffith.

I’m assuming that Mike will have some influence on the offense, and that may mean that we use a fullback moreso than Kyle’s offenses in Houston did.

That being said, I agree that we probably won’t be using a FB as much as last year, and that Morris’s versatility will help him, whereas Seller’s lack of versatility could hurt his chances of making the roster.

by Reedskin on May 14, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points...

Seller’s days are numbered, he has virtually no upside if he doesn’t step it up.

by Scorin' Scalps on May 14, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes and Yes,

Morris, Davis and Cooley will all have an opportunity to lineup in the backfield if needed

by dr WNC on May 14, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kind of think

that both Shanahans will utilize the personnel they have to ensure the best outcome. I don’t think you can last as long as Mike Shanahan did as a head coach without being able to adapt somewhat. He had different personnel over the years, and he changed the style of his offense to fit them. If Shanny thinks Sellers is a good player (which I think we can all at least agree that he has it in him), then he will find a way to use him.

Anyway, I don’t wanna make it sound like I’m head of the Mike Sellers fan club. I USED TO love the guy. I thought he was an absolute monster a few years back, and I wanted a Caveman Sellers jersey ASAP. But I too grew sick of his half assed blocking last year, and I would be all for replacing him with someone more reliable. Hell, I was lobbying to have Cooley replace him, then line Davis up at TE, just to get the best players on the field.

But if Shanny’s keeping him around, that means he plans on using him, so I will go with my motto for the majority of this offseason – In Shanny I trust.

by CJHutch on May 15, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

And with That, I'm with THAT!
But if Shanny’s keeping him around, that means he plans on using him, so I will go with my motto for the majority of this offseason – In Shanny I trust.

by dr WNC on May 16, 2010 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great Post

Good post but one thing on Austin he is the real deal could be a all purpose guy on special teams.

by Niteoftheskins on May 14, 2010 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope we never play Capers when we face the Eagles.

that senior bowl was humiliating.

The Shanahan era is going to bring the Redskins back to Glory! Great QB and an actual O-line.

by Horcasitas4 on May 14, 2010 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

cant compare OL play in the senior bowl

If he is playing by then, hopefully it is because he belongs in the system and comes in with something to prove….and actually proves it.

by MagicHat on May 14, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The Senor Bowl is nice in all, but you are taking an O-lineman in the middle of the offseason, not in football mode, and you put him against top talent that he is not used to.

Since I am (obviously) a big o-line guy, I can tell you this honestly. It takes a little bit to adjust from average college football DE to the best college football DEs to the NFL rushers. I think Capers will be ready to start by next year, and maybe this year. Let me remind you that Capers will be facing Orakpo, Carter, and other excellent rushers in practice every day. If he can’t adjust, he’ll be cut. But if this guy keeps learning, he’ll be NFL ready fast.

The same is applicable to Silverback. He’ll be ready to go day 1 because he’ll be facing double-digit sack artists on defense in practice.

by BigOLinemen on May 15, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have my doubts on Capers

I do believe the Senior Bowl is VERY telling, especially for an O-linemen. The coaching staff at the Senior Bowl implements a very simple blocking scheme for these guys. It’s basically hit the guy thats across from you, and beat him. Capers struggled all week against the D-linemen in practice; hense the big drop in the draft. You don’t really think the scout would drop him that far for just one game do you?

Here is why the senior bowl is very telling when projecting Olinemen to the NFL. First, the o-linemen are going against top competition all week in practice. This collective group of competition is much better on a whole that what the prospect has faced during thier practices at the respective colleges for most of their careers. Flaws in a prospects technique are magnified at the Senior Bowl practices, and in the game itself. Second, don’t forget, if a prospect has a hard time adjusting during that week in the Senior Bowl, imagine how much steeper that adjusting curve will be in the NFL.

These are some of the reasone why so much emphasis is put on this game from a scouting perspective. This is why you see a lot of offensive linemen either move up or fall after Senior Bowl week is through.

So for all you out there drinking the Capers Kool-aid, be cautiously optimistic. There is a reason he wasn’t selected until the 7th round. Same can be said for Ciron Black. Charles Brown probably did himself the biggest favor in the world by not playing in the Senior Bowl. Also, Mike Iupati, although he didn’t play that great in the game itself, had an excellent week in practice. You see where it got him.

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by Tiller56 on May 15, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Capers

Tiller – very sobering. Is there any chance there was some reason or excuse for his poor performance? Like being sick? And was it mainly technique (which can be corrected), or basic strength and speed, which can’t be fixed? As I and others mentioned in other threads, it seems to me that we still need a top quality starting tackle, because it would be better to let Hicks compete at guard and back up both tackle positions.

by Donnio1234 on May 15, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope, no chance.

The best part about Senior Bowl week is that we get to throw away up to 5 years of playing experience in the guy’s college career, all the game film and all the scouting up until that week, in favor of how he looks in a six day timespan. It really doesn’t matter how good a guy looks on the field for his college, when he gets to the Senior Bowl, that’s when his draft placement is judged.

At least until the combine, when we throw out the Senior Bowl and judge purely on 40 times.

by tuckwell on May 15, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not a bad RT prospect.

He will however, need some time to get stronger and up to speed with the NFL. Until then, don’t expect too much.

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by Tiller56 on May 15, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

In 2009, Jamon Meredith was thought to be a 2nd round pick.

He ended up being drafted in the 5th round by the Packers and then placed on their practice squad. The Bills then snapped him up from the Packers practice squad and he started 4 of the 8 games he played in. Lydon Murtha was drafted in the 7th round by the Lions, placed on their practice squad, and the Dolphins claimed him. This is the danger of putting any player with future starter prospects on the practice squad where they remain free agents. It would not be wise to put either Capers or Erik Cook on the practice squad unless it was necessary to preserve some other player(s) with more potential. There are a few defensive line UDFA that might be able to displace some of the older, mediocre defensive linemen currently on the roster, i.e., Trey Jacobs and Kyle Harrington.

by Jefferson1935 on May 15, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Practice squad

They’re free agents, so some other team could grab them. If some team tried, could the Skins quickly remove them from the PS (put on the main roster), or match or beat any offer, and thus keep them? Or can the other team claim the rights to the player? Does the player have any say in things? We probably would not want to lose Capers or Cook.

by Donnio1234 on May 16, 2010 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Any player on the Practice squad

“a player under contract to a club as a Practice Squad player is completely free to sign a contract with another NFL club during the season in order to be on the second club’s Active/Inactive (i.e., 53 man) list. A practice squad player may not sign an NFL Player Contract with his Club’s next opponent later than 4:00 p.m., New York time, on the sixth day preceding the game (except in bye weeks, when the prohibition commences on the tenth day preceding the game).If another club signs a Practice Squad player to its 53 man roster it does not have to provide any sort of compensation to the player’s former club

by dr WNC on May 16, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Practice squad

So he’s free to sign a contract, but also free not to sign (say if he wants to stay with his current team, who may be promising a great future)? Of course, the player normally would jump at the chance to move to the main squad of a team that wants him.

by Donnio1234 on May 16, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Capers...

should stay off of the practice squad. He is athletic, he played TE his first 2 years at WV which means he can move and should be an ideal fit in the zone blocking scheme. He is just a little raw, we shouldnt let another team scoop him up, keep him and cut Heyer. Also, I think that Morris guy will beat Sellers out, seeing the Sellers has been known to take plays off.

by Redskinsfan84 on May 18, 2010 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

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