Some Random Draft Thoughts Post McNabb
by BayAreaBullet on Apr 5, 2010 4:24 PM EDT
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Don't really feel like giving a big write-up but wanted to throw a thought or two out.
1)What does this mean with the #4 pick? - For the sake of argument I am gonna rule out Bradford at that spot or any crazy trade where we get rid of McNabb(can that even happen?). That makes it look like Okung all the way. He might not be there but I'm not as convinced as others that Detroit will take him. What do you guys feel about a trade down? It can help mitigate the draft picks we are now missing. For me it depends on how far we fall. We have set this team up so we need a Day 1 starter at LT. No taking a year at RT or having to beat out a vet. A starter from the moment we draft him. I'm not too sure about any of the second tier guys(Davis, Campbell, Brown, Saffold) being able to step right in like that. Since we now have an aging, injury prone QB I'm not sure we can afford to hope that one of those guys is ready. This makes a trade down risky as we HAVE to protect McNabb this year. What do you guys think we should do?
2)Is this the first step in a major housecleaning? - I've been kicking this around in my head for awhile. There is a new Sherriff in town and I can see him completely cleaning house at the draft. He has no allegiance to any of these peoples. I've been of the thought that we might see 5-6 more guys go out in draft day trades for late round picks. The fact that we were shopping Big Al before he blew off workouts and Landry might give a little more credibility to that though. Especially when certain guys like Carlos haven't been in a hurry to get in line I can't see Shanny keeping them. He doesn't care when they were drafted. I can easily see us shipping out Rocky, Carlos, At least one of our SS's, Golston, Carter for 4-6th round picks. I know alot of people have thought we would trade those guys for second or third rounders but I see us having a firesale. I think that might be partly why they weren't afraid to give up draft picks for McNabb. Do you guys think that is likely? Would you be happy with that?
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RFA, Draft Day trades
I think this year will be full of draft day trades, or just prior to the draft. Every team is looking to keep draft picks but with all the RFA teams were not moving. Sign and trades are much easier than over-paying and giving up a draft pick.
Look at JC17, What salary does a team offer him and then in return have to give up a first round pick. Where if they trade for him after he has signed with the Redskins (signed his tender) then a team can trade for Campbell who has a 1 year 3.3 M contract and either trade another player or give up a draft picking depending on the value as determined by the Trade not the contract terms.
If the team wants Campbell long term they begin talking extension, otherwise they let the season playout and then sign Campbell to a tender again.
A win for the organizations, and no reason to get into position until it’s closer to draft time.
By the way, if McNabb is the starter does that mean that Campbell will not be the starter in 2010….I think someone said that many weeks ago…
yeah, looks like I lost that bet
I was sure JC would be the starter
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Apr 5, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Old team has the inside track on Restricted Free Agents
April 15 – Deadline for signing and submission of Offer Sheets by Restricted Free Agents.
April 21 – Deadline for Old Clubs to match Offer Sheets submitted by Restricted Free Agents.
June 1 – Deadline for old club to send tender to its unsigned Restricted Free Agents or to extend Qualifying Offer, whichever is greater, in order to retain rights.
by Jefferson1935 on Apr 5, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If we don't take Okung or Bulaga
at #4, I don’t see how McNabb has a chance of surviving the season. We have a very shaky Oline situation, and very little means to resolve it
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
Flozell...
there are going to be a few more decent players cut ..there are every year
Flozell is a walking penalty
One of the biggest problems with the cowboys offense was penalties, i personally would rather stay away from him.
by Nobetterthenbob on Apr 5, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I have been holding the "say no to Flo" stance
for several reasons, however, as things stand now we are in a bit of a bind on the OL (understatement of the thread I know) yes he is a penalty machine but consider this: if he gets hit for 3 false starts and 3 holding penalties per game thats a net of -45 yards…if he can prevent 3 sacks averaging 10 yards per….and say we run right 10 times and his fat ass can get us an ave. of 1.5 more yards per carry that evens things out on yardage plus no loss of down on the penalties….and hopefully Donovan doesn’t leave on a stretcher….pick him up for insurance, if things fall our way in the draft dump him or keep him as a back-up, no harm done, just sayin…..except to my psyche, and I think accepting Dnonvan had done that job sufficiently already.
F[orget] that
I already have to root for an Eagle. I definitely don’t want a Cowboy on this team. Draft Okung. Draft OL later in the draft. Sign another FA tackle later. No Flozell.
no more Cowboys, EVER!
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Apr 6, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
The #4 pick and
free agents can go a long way to resolving the o-line situation for 2010. One guard and a old LT can be had for less than $12 million. There is still time to pick up Chester Pitts and Flozell Adams. Levi Jones might not be the worst player to sign as RT. Allen and Shanahan might even be half way there on the OL.
by Jefferson1935 on Apr 5, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Dockery
Mike Williams was known as a power blocker at Texas. His lateral movement isn’t good enough to play tackle.
by Jefferson1935 on Apr 5, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Trades
I think there will be some big trades, and the O-line will certainly improve dramatically. I really don’t think there will be any “fire sales”. If it were me, I would not take anything less than a 2nd rounder for Carlos or Andre and probably Rocky, and would not give up Big Al for anything less than first and second round picks plus a good player (not wanting to trade him at all). The darn 3-4 complicates things; without it, I’d count us as loaded on defense, and therefore willing to give up two or three guys for picks or O-linemen. By the way, I don’t think it will happen, but I could imagine trading McNabb for picks and or O-line, especially if they really like one of the draft QBs. E.g., him and one or two others to Oakland for their first round pick. All it would take is the desire for one of the top draft QBs, which I thought they had. I’ve always assumed that Okung would be available at #4, but could Detroit or the other two screw us up? In any case, I don’t think we have to panic on the O-line – there are a lot of ways to improve it.
The biggest problem I have with the McNabb move
is now jason has absolutely ZERO TRADE VALUE
Teams now know that he is not worth anything to us and this means, sadly, that we will be lucky to get a FIFTH ROUND PICK for him, this is terrible, if we could have somehow got Arizona, Cleveland or Seattle interested before the McNabb move we may have got a 2nd for him, meaning McNabb would have cost us ZERO in net terms, now we have lost not only our 2nd Rd pick but also a valuable trade piece as Campbell is clearly surplus to requirements in DC, tragic
Pommylee
I'll disagree
Campbell still threw for 3000+ yards and 20+ TDs. That is worth something. Shanhan can sell it that Campbell is not a WCO Qb…which he is not. He’s improved every year…he’s def worth a 4th round pick imho.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
Campbell is at least worth a 3rd round pick with the stats he put up and other teams competing for Campbell might bring it up to 2nd if we are lucky
their are other teams that want him and they have to compete with each other for him.
I love how the people who spend all their time saying JC is worthless
say it will be easy to get a 2nd or third for him.
by BayAreaBullet on Apr 6, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I know right?
This is the same guy that said all we could get for JC was a “Bag O Beans”
by Nobetterthenbob on Apr 6, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Kevin E
he is worth a First Round pick in my opinion
But my point is we have now told the world that we have no use for him, therefore they know we will be desperate to get anything for him rather than cut him
Unless two teams get in a bidding war, we are in a situation where we have to take what we are given
This is not about what he is worth, but what we can get.
If you see someone who is broke having a fire sale, you dont say, oh I know this Antique table is worth $2000 so I will pay $2000, you say, “This guy is desperate, I wonder if he will take $150 for it” and unless someone else is interested in that table, the desperate man will take what you offer.
Pommylee
It would be nice...
To trade for more picks means Campbell would have to be traded with someone included. The teams that I think may be a suiter would be the Raiders, Buffalo and possibly Seattle and maybe Cleveland. Being 28 yrs. Campbell might be able to help those clubs since their QB`S are either getting old or they have not played very well lately.
Minnesota
im calling it JC’s gonna end up there by the beginning of the season. or at least before the trade deadline.
JC trade value
Yes, frustrating, but we might still get a 2nd or third because suitors will be competing against other suitors, not us. I.e.,an auction. It’s hard to believe that no team wouldn’t want him for a modest price.
their will be takers ,Campbell will be snatch up before the draft starts
watch out for buffalo and the raiders
okay here we go
Pick up FA OT Flozell Adams. Trade Campbell for a 3rd and 6rd pick. Trade Landry for a 2nd rd pick. I dont insist on trading Cooley anymore now that we have McNabb. 1st- Suh 2nd- Eric Norwood LB South Carolina st 3rd- Jerry Hughes DE/OLB TCU 4th- Mike Johnson G Alabama 5th- Jared Veldheer OT Hillsdale 6th- Jason Foxx or Ed Wang OT 7th- Brandon Banks WR/HB/KR Kansas
Gain draft picks for Skins' players where there is a surplus in their position (Campbell and Landry).
A. The subject line is partially feasible, but two picks for Campbell might not be. So assuming the more conservative position, net gain of two picks.
B. OT: Pickup FA OT Flozell Adams – highly possible as well as sign Damion McIntosh (was still playing good in 2007-8 for the Chiefs) and Levi Jones (maybe he can recover his 2007 form) – for instance a platoon of left tackles. FS: Gibril Wilson
C. Using the draft picks: 1st- Suh (OK), 2nd – Best OL available, 3rd – Best ILB or OLB available, 4th – Best ILB or OLB available
(the position not selected in the 3rd round), 5th – Marshall Newhouse,OG, and 7th – Deji Karim, RB.
D. UDFA and other free agents after the early September cut downs.
I'll take that into consideration but...
Jc was a first round pick and its unlikely we get a first round for him maybe not even a second but letting him go for a flate rate of a 3rd rounder and 6 rounder i think is extremely possible. Another thing…i think goin for best OT in the 2nd would be a reach. There’s only first rounders in OT and then there’s third rounders, unless one of the first round OT’s drop. But if the high prospect OT’s dont drop that means we’ll be looking at top defensive players still in the 2nd round with our pick which is astonishing value. Thats taking advantage of a deep deep draft. Also, third best ILB or OLB will definately not be there in the 3rd especially not the ILB’ (Donald Butler, Brandon Spikes, Rolando McClain) they’ll all be gone. Maybe Norwood would be there but I seriously doubt that too. As far as OLB maybe Kion Wison will be there in the 3rd but he’s not even top 10.
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