McNabb to Redskins -- Bruce Allen makes move of the offseason

Redskins need to rebuild. Instead, they again retool by getting an old, oft injured, inaccurate, past his prime QB. In the process, we help Philadelphia – an organization with a proven draft record, fast track its rebuilding by giving them even more draft picks. Dumb, short sighted trade. Skins aren’t 1 QB away from a championship. They’re 5 offensive linemen, 2 safeties, 1 Corner back, 1 linebacker, 2 running backs, 1 wide receiver, 1 punter, 1 placekicker, and 1 QB away from a championship. Dumb, shortsighted trade.

An old oft injured man with 1 year remaining on his contract can’t be considered a “franchise QB”.

This was a horrible move. Is McNabb a winner? Yes. I dont give a FUCK. Is McNabb better than Campbell? Yes. I dont give A FUCK Is he in the downward slope of his career? Yes. I dont give a FUCK. Will he bring invaluable knowledge of a division opponent? Very likely, though the Eagles will protect themselves by changing formations a nd verbage. I dont give a FUCK. What I DO give A FUCK about is this……NO company EVER trades it’s figurehead to a direct opponent without some sheistiness afoot. I smell something rotten and I would have rather traded to move up in the draft and started a rookie, than to go after someone who makes our average age higher. I’m not saying he wont make us better. I acknowledge that. I think I am having a problem with the fact that it’s a 2nd rounder from this year. I believe we couldve gotten much more long term value with using the pick.

Would you rather enter the season with these QBs:

McNabb
Campbell

or :

Kolb
Vick

I am not a Shanahan fan, but that said, I’m pretty sure he was able to make the playoffs in Denver with Jake the Snake as his QB. The Skins will be fine with McNabb as his QB.
The 2 TE, play action bootlegs with Cooley, Davis, Moss will be nasty. Those 3 are a way better receiving corps than McNabb has ever had.

 He is the enemy. no more Gaither/ Okung. No more JC making good. Even if we win a ring… It will be with Denver’s coach, a nomad GM and the F-ing eagles QB. not to mention the Chiefs RB. We are sloppy second central. no heart and foundation like the Caps. They were home-grown with a little sprinkles. Just a sad day.

I don’t see how they can expect JC to be the backup. He’s got to be traded. I sure hope we can get a second round pick for him, but maybe they’ll only get a third (if they could have gotten a second rounder, he’d be gone already). A high 3rd rounder could still probably get us a good right tackle to complement Okung. But we need a 2nd rounder to get McCoy or Tebow. I’d be trying to get Gaither for players, and trade various defensive players (where we are fairly loaded) for draft choices.

McNabb rated a 2nd and a third or fourth. He’s considerably better than JC, but much older (but still with 3 to 5 years left). It’s hard to believe that an experienced young QB – certainly one of the top 2 FA QBs available now – isn’t worth a 2nd round draft choice. That would put him on a par with McCoy or Tebow.

Two very differing views on JC’s trade value from two different ESPN writers…

“Campbell won’t have much trade value. Teams will likely wait for the Redskins to release him.” — Matt Mosley

“And if I were in Oakland’s or especially Buffalo’s shoes, I would be extremely tempted to send this year’s second-round pick to the Redskins for him.” — Matt Williamson

That’s quite a disparity. My guess is we may get a 3rd rounder in return. Maybe a 2011 3rd rounder.

if the front office thinks we’re a contender next year then they’ve been snorting meth out of Marion Barry’s asshole. We have no O-line, a bunch of used up tailbacks, and an OK but non-dominating defense. Short some serious magic tricks that add draft picks this season is going nowhere. I was hoping for an improved O-line and some help for London out of this draft that returned us to respectability. We are not going on a playoff run. I hope I am being fooled and that some real crazy trade moves are going to make this whole thing worth it but until that happens count me a skeptic.

I wonder how many mcnabb redskins jerseys there will be at games next year. I know for damn sure I would never buy one

Kevin is the only poster on this thread as of this morning whose opinion I value

I really don’t think I have liked a single addition the Allen-Shanahan regime has made, We have added two 30 year old RBs and a 34 year old QB when we were in a perfect position to draft both positions,

Injuries forced McNabb to miss 17 games in the last five years. So who wants Grossman backing him up?

This is no cause to celebrate. Yes, McNabb is better than Campbell, but for how many years? If we can trade Campbell for a high second-rounder, then maybe we still have enough flexibility in the draft to choose McNabb’s successor. Maybe. But the fact is still that we have questionable WR depth, 3 over-the-hill RBs averaging 29 years of age, and only two guys who we know will be starting on our O-line next year. I’m not sure we even have half of our offensive starters figured out yet (and that’s not because of strong competition, but rather because of weak talent). We’ve got QB, C, LG, TE (plus a solid backup), 1-2 WRs, and maybe a FB (if he can get back to his old form). So that’s, what, 5-7 starters figured out? Still no tackles. We don’t have a team that’s ready to compete right now, and yet we have a QB who won’t be around for more than a few years. Yes, a team can have a huge turnaround in the matter of one or two years, but do you know how they do that? With draft picks. We have four right now, and only one in the first three rounds of the draft. BS move. Right now we need quantity that will turn into quality, not quality that will turn into dead money.

This trade means nothing if we don’t upgrade the offensive line. Mcnabb has had injuries in the past and isn’t getting any younger. The new Regime has to address the offensive line in the draft. Russell Okung is the only Solid Left tackle who should be considered, but will he be around? Detroit needs offensive linemen. In addition, we will need to spend all our other picks on linemen because we still need a right tackle and right guard an dwith this trade we have 1 less pick. Hopefully, we can trade Campbell for a 2nd rounder along with Andre Carter for additinal picks. We now need Youth for this plan to work!

1. McNabb can get through his progressions and is an overall better decision maker than Campbell
2. McNabb will call guys out and be a presence in the huddle
3. McNabb is a proven leader
4. Elway was older than McNabb when Shanahan become the Broncos coach
5. McNabb is roughly the same age as Brady and Peyton Manning
6. McNabb’s rating (92.9) was roughly 6 points higher than Campbell (86.4)
7. McNabb threw for more TD’s (22) than Campbell (20) in 2 less games
8. McNabb threw 5 less interceptions (10) to Campbell (15)
9. McNabb threw for 65 less yards, playing 2 less games than Campbell
10. I’d argue that many of the yards and TDs Campbell threw for were in garbage time (making losses look like respectable losses)

People on this board 1st complain that the Redskin’s will use the #4 overall pick on a QB. Then it’s "great they are going to use their 2nd round pick on Tebow." Now it’s, "this move smacks of Dan Snyder and the move for Jason Taylor."

Let me say that I think a lot of you are still pretending this is Vinny Cerrato and Dan Snyder trying to turn managing a pro football team into a game of checkers. Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan don’t play checkers, they play chess.

Some articles indicate that Shanahan and Allen had been discussing this as a potential move since January. THREE MONTHS!!!!! You don’t think they would have done a simple SWOT analysis (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, and Threats) in that time period and perhaps put in some game tape before making this decision.

Now for you that think this smacks of win now, future be damned; If many of the rumors are true that, once ready to retire Shanahan will turn the reigns over to Kyle, why would he set his son up for failure 4-5 years from now. Answer, he wouldn’t.

Do you know what I think will lead to "long" term success for the Redskin’s……short term success. We need the team to start believing in itself from day 1, not hope for the best, which has been our mantra the past decade or so.

Bringing in McNabb settles down the most important position on our offense, which will in turn, allow our skill position players worry less about, is it him (Campbell) or is it me. They will know McNabb can do his job and it is just time to do theirs.

Nothing can derail a new project or rebuilding project more than early failures that make the employees (in our case players) start questioning the direction their leaders are taking them. Shanahan and Allen seem to understand this, with this type of move. If you set the atmosphere of success by putting proven winners into key positions (coach, GM, QB) that will permeate throughout the organization, which will lead to long term success long after those forefathers (Shanahan, McNabb, and Allen) are gone.

Played in 16 games once in the last 6 seasons. I hope Rex Grossman is ready to lead this team!