Hogs Haven Tackles Redskins Offseason Questions From Mike Richman
Some of you may remember my appearance on Comcast Sportsnet's Post Game Live after the Oakland Raiders game. I held my own against Chick Hernandez, but I got grilled by Brian Mitchell. Tonight (for those who have not yet heard), I will be appearing on the taping of Burgundy and Gold Magazine opposite none other than Brian Mitchell. I seriously doubt he remembers me, but I want to be as prepared as possible for the discussion so as to avoid getting my hat handed to me by B-Mitch.
The host, Mike Richman, sent me some questions to begin thinking about as we have been going back and forth this week on the draft and the offseason. I'll offer a quick take of my own, but I want to hear from you guys on your takes so I represent Hogs Haven properly.
Mike Richman: With the Redskins in dire need of strengthening their O-line, should they have drafted Maryland OT Bruce Campbell in the 4th round instead of LB Perry Riley?
Ken: In short, yes. I was all about that idea and I became more and more excited about the prospect of him falling to us as the beginning of the 4th round approached. Had they called his name when we picked, I would have had to change my shorts....
I had already envisioned the Mel Kiper orgasm that would have ensued as he proclaimed Bruce Allen to be the "Savior" of the great offensive line tradition in D.C. Bruce Campbell was absolutely worth a 4th round pick and even as a project would have factored in our offensive line sooner rather than later. At the end of the day, we had other needs and next to zero picks to fill them, so I suppose I can't bemoan the pick too much. It will help a lot if Perry Riley can come in and be a strong contributor right away. I should also note I really worked myself up with the notion that we could trade Jason Campbell for Bruce Campbell straight-up. Once I realized that we were going to do no better than a 4th-rounder for JC, I thought, "Hmm...Bruce is a 4th rounder...starting QB for a project Tackle...Oakland has to do it right?" The 2012 draft can not get here soon enough.
MR: Should the Redskins try to trade Chris Cooley now that Fred Davis looks like a possible star in the NFL? How high a draft pick could they get for Cooley?
Ken: I have floated the idea of Chris Cooley's trade value in recent months but let me be very clear when I say WE SHOULD NOT TRADE COOLEY. Despite the success Davis enjoyed after Cooley's injury last season, I want both of them on this roster. Thanks to Cooley missing action, Davis had a chance to grow and develop and it was exactly what we needed. You know who excels at getting the ball to the tight end? Donovan McNabb. You know who is exceptional at reading a coverage and picking the right guy to get the ball too in the red zone? Donovan McNabb. I expect Davis and Cooley to give defensive coordinators fits in the red zone (finally.) Assuming we have a legitimate red zone receiving threat on the outside, we should have matchup advantages all day with Davis and Cooley both on the field. This is officially a strength for this team. You know who excels at maximizing strengths? Mike Shanahan. As for what kind of a draft pick we could get, I would have said a lot higher before players like Santonio Holmes, Leon Washington and Jason Campbell were traded for pretty low draft picks. Maybe a 3rd rounder is the best we could hope for...but I would keep him.
MR: Did the Redskins give up too soon on Jason Campbell?
Ken: Well, if by giving up on him you mean not letting him call his own audibles (from a selection of more than 1 audible) and not opening up the playbook then it would seem they gave up on him years ago. That is not really fair I know since things have done nothing but change around him year after year and the offensive line has seemed to specialize in escorting 300-pounders to the pocket. As for his exit this offseason, it was time. Campbell needed this fresh start. I can honestly say I was more than prepared to enter 2010 with JC as our starter. We had more than enough other areas that needed to be addressed. But one thing I have said over and over is that when you bring in these veteran coaches, they almost always gun for a veteran quarterback to run things for them on the field. So I will say it was less about giving up on Campbell and more about Shanahan needing an older, more seasoned signal-caller. Perhaps these are semantics, but in an offseason where "Hope and Change" are the key themes, Campbell was swept out with the old, and replaced with the...uhhh...old.
MR: What do you think of the acquisition of DT Adam Carriker? Will we see a lot of him at nose tackle in the 3-4 alignment or will Albert Haynesworth get the bulk of the work?
Ken: I see Adam Carriker as more of an end in the 3-4. And I loved the acquisition by the way. It seemed to be a situation where we gave up next to nothing for a guy that the incoming defensive coordinator knows well and wanted. What I will be most interested in is how Haslett rotates his personnel depending on the situation. Carriker has the size to move inside and out along the defensive line, but he will have to prove what he can be trusted to handle in the preseason. I think the team will be in a far better position if Fat Albert and Ma'ake can man the NT spot in most situations, but if Carriker is capable of moving inside in certain situations to allow Haynesworth to move out and wreck shop than I will be very happy.
MR: Who will be the Redskins' lead running back this season? Is it possible they could retain Clinton Portis, Willie Parker and Larry Johnson to form a "three-headed monster?"
Ken: They are already a "three-headed monster", right? The question is whether they will be a monster to our team or to opposing teams. I am optimistic that all three will contribute to wins this year. If we know anything about Shanahan, it's that he cares as much about the feelings and sensitivities of running backs as a baby cares about the cleanliness of a diaper. As for your question, I give Portis the edge right now to hit Week 1 as our lead guy. If he is 100% healthy, I think he is better than the other two, but we know that as he gets dinged, he will lose that edge. Each of these three men needs to check their ego at the door and take advantage of their opportunity to work hard, earn a living and advance the goals of the team. I'll go out on the limb that not everyone wants to join me on: they will do exactly that.
MR: Donovan McNabb has had a history of being injury prone. How many games will he start for the Redskins this season?
Ken: As many of my faithful Hogs Haven readers know, there is no shortage of Kool-Aid in the Meringolo fridge. I'll say he starts 15 games--because they sit him in Week 17 to rest him for the playoffs! As for your obvious follow-up questions, "No I am not on any medications" and "No I was not dropped excessively as a baby...that I know about."
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1) happy with the draft without getting B. Campbell
2) Agree! Don’t trade Chris. We have very few real strengths on this team. Having Chris and Davis on the field makes both our opponents and coaches have to work that much harder to play us.
3) Jason got screwed, but I’m happy for him. Don’t know if your assertion about new coaches wanting older QBs is true. Might have some examples handy.
4) Carriker was a steal. He gives Hazlett a lot of options and if AH is here next year, he will have the opportunity to play less NT and more DE
5) 2 of the 3 will be here with Portis being most likely
6) My worst fear – no JC and McNabb goes down week 2
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
examples of older coaches getting seasoned vets...
Gibbs/Brunell, Parcells/Bledsoe, Vermeil/Green (stretch), did Coughlin get Warner his first year or two?
I love the George Allen/Billy Kilmer one too…but your point is well-taken…
How are the crabs?
by Ken Meringolo on Apr 29, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Crabs won't peak until 4th of July weekend
but the news is that they’ve had the best rebound population-wise this past decade. So I’m looking forward to that!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Can I get a ruling?
Did Scott just volunteer to host Hogs Haven for a Crab feast at Buddy’s?
by Ken Meringolo on Apr 29, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Buddy's is horrible
(They fry all their foods in the same fryers – and don’t change the oil often enough)
But I can recommend other places!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I think you guys are getting a bit too comfortable with each other... ;)
How are the crabs?
Hopefully Scott’s dr. gave his a good cream to clear ’em up though.
I feel good about myself
in that I didn’t even go there for a nanosecond. But it was funny. :)
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Sounding a little like a "talking head" instead of Bringing it with real views, IMO
To use the Scott format:
1) B. Campbell is a stretch beyond being a local product, yeah it was what everyone thought was needed but really what did he show on the football field to warrant a pick. All-american , 1st team ACC, 2nd team ACC honors…it’s what everyone thought should happen and gladly did not but then get Capers in the 7th made not selecting BC a lot better in the feelings departments
2) Agree, very well said
3) Business speak, Glad the Redskins gave him a chance with a number team
4) agree
5) NO WAY IN HELL ALL THREE WILL BE HERE! Again this is fodder talk. A team Carries a total of 5 RB including FBs. If 2 FB are on the team then the only other RBs will be CP, LJ and WP—>That would be a Vinny move, it’s not happening
6) Rex and Colt, yes the Redskins will be VERY weak without Donovan but look as much as everyone hates Sexy Rexy he did lead a team to the Superbowl…Rex will be fine and do well as a backup when! Mcnabb is hurt. Colt will either solidify his postion or he will not longer be on the team
Have Fun!
I think the Bears Defense lead them to the Super Bowl.
Rex was a liability.
Ironically, he still is.
Cross your fingers that he doesn’t see the field.
IMO formerly fast Willie Parker seems like the odd man out
he’s oft injured, seems to have lost his speed, and is not very good as a pass catcher. Would much rather have CP of even LJ in. Of course if WP can regain some of his speed, he would be an excellent complement to those guys. I just don’t see it happening.
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by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Apr 29, 2010 2:22 PM EDT reply actions
I would rethink this one:
If we know anything about Shanahan, it’s that he cares as much about the feelings and sensitivities of running backs as a baby cares about the cleanliness of a diaper.
everything else looks pretty good, i just don't think it's a good analogy
maybe compare it with something more like shanahan than a baby,
as Jerry Jones cares about team chemistry? or integrity?
a nice slight towards the boys is always appreciated
you sure you don't like the imagery
of a poopy diaper?
by Ken Meringolo on Apr 29, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
haha i just think that most babies do care when their diaper is mess hence the whining
so you’d be saying that Shanahan starts to cry when his RB’s are emotionally damaged haha
The trade Chris Cooley bit, does have legs. Chris Cooley has a 6 yr 30 million dollar contract with 14 million guaranteed.
While Fred Davis has a 4 yr 4.5 million dollar contract. Say what you want if Fred Davis even looks like he is going to be a even bigger stud this year. He will want more money now not later. If and when Dennis Morris starts getting involved in the passing game, Cooley will be the odd man out. I think you should talk about this Dennis Morris kid. He can and will be a offensive weapon if used properly. He is 6’2 265 lbs runs 4.7, 40 time, can catch block and runs great routes out of HB, FB, WR or TE position. He is a night mare match up to cover.
Let's hear it for our new 3TE set!
Who cares about Devin, Santana and co.?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
3 TE's?
We can 4 or 5 on the field easily.
by Ken Meringolo on Apr 29, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's go with a 5TE set then
We would just mow them down in the running game and passing game. :)
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Scott, that is my point, we will have three TE's at least that will be pass catchers.
Why not trade the one with most trade value to get a need like a OLB or a solid free safety?
by LETJASONPASS on Apr 29, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to let Shanny decide
I like the luxury of being deep in at least one position.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
i know what our team needs are,
but the talk is pointless if you don’t have a possibility. who would you target and why would it be a viable trade for both teams…
Jammal Brown is out there
and Terrence Williams can play RT…just saying. But I shudder to think about Drew Brees having Shockey and Cooley, not to mention the rest of his weapons.
OJ Atogwe is another I would keep an eye on.
by KellRawLive on Apr 29, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
cooley is not going anywhere all the cooley haters just stop. davis got his playing time due to cooleys injury. if chris did not get hurt we would not even be talking about davis. and morris is being groomed to take over for mike sellers. learn some competent football facts instead of brainless analogy,s ..
Love how you answered the RB question.
Right on.
The best reason you gave for keeping Cooley:
As for what kind of a draft pick we could get, I would have said a lot higher before players like Santonio Holmes, Leon Washington and Jason Campbell were traded for pretty low draft picks. Maybe a 3rd rounder is the best we could hope for…
We already got shafted on the Campbell trade. Losing Cooley for a 4th or later round pick as well would be unacceptable. Now, if somebody wants to throw a Pro Bowl FS, LB or NT into a deal, we might be able to talk…
Also,
I think the team will be in a far better position if Fat Albert and Ma’ake can man the NT spot in most situations…
I think playing Haynesworth at NT is a complete waste of his talent and will result in him having more injuries to go along with a bitchy attitude. This guy is a man-eating physical freak, who’s at his best when attacking the QB like he did in Tennessee. RELEASE THE BEAST.
I completely agree
About Haynesworth playing NT. That’s like having the world’s fastest car and only driving it the speed limit. I desperately hope that they plan on playing Haynesworth at NT every once in a while. Just like you said, we’d be severely wasting his talent and capabilities if he’s playing NT more often than not.
I don't get how Haynesworth would suck at NT...
Haynesworth was/is partly ‘da man’ because of the scheme, but he was double-teamed most of the time and still managed to do some damage. He’s still capable of being a monster, even at NT – that’s pressure right up the gut, and coming from a guy who’s a bit taller, so might be able to mess with passing lane visibility even more.
Yeah, I get that he’ll be a more effective NT in passing situations, but if dude is capable of splitting double-teams, I’m sure he can occasionally dump a center on his a$$ quick enough to avoid the double-team from even engaging and disrupt even more effectively.
The problem is not double teams
It’s what he does with them. With the exception of Jay Ratliff(completely different athlete/player than AH) NT’s are supposed to take on the double. If he were splitting double teams he would not be doing his job. His job is to occupy blockers not beat double teams rushing upfield. As NT his job would be to occupy the interior linemen keeping them from getting to London. Its rare to find a guy who can occupy blockers AND beat double teams rushing upfield. At NT he would only be expected to do one of those things so it would be somewhat of a waste of his talents.
by BayAreaBullet on Apr 29, 2010 6:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jeremy Shockey went for a 2nd round
We should get that as well. Ken is a modern day Vinny Cerrato. I’m surprised didn’t say “we’ll trade Cooley and our 2nd rounder this year for a 2nd next year”
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What?!?!?
First of all, Vinny is a modern day Vinny…not sure how I can be a modern day version of someone who is already…modern.
Secondly, I proposed trading draft picks for draft picks…not picks for players. Good teams trade draft picks for draft picks every year. Move up, move down. We need to figure out how to do this to stockpile picks in future years. The draft is its own little exchange. We need to get better at turning picks into better picks…for today and for later years.
I would say you are a modern day Harry Frazee. That’s how you play the game.
by Ken Meringolo on Apr 29, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Cooley himself said he wouldn't go for more than a 4rd rounder
Cooley said he wasn’t bothered by trade rumors, saying he’d been a productive player for years and probably wouldn’t have fetched more than a third-round pick in any case.
via D.C. Sports Bog
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Just insane to lose Chris for anything less than a first round draft pick, and even then we lose – big – this year, and maybe/maybe gain next year. Not at all what I would like to see. Why give away one of your best players (from an already shaky offense), and get nothing in return this year? You worried about his contract? Why not let the Danny worry about that? If somebody offered us a solid O-lineman plus a first rounder, maybe I’d have to listen, but anything less – no way. There is no reason at all to trade Chris – none. Losing him could only hurt the offense. FYI, LJP wants to get rid of Cooley because he already has decreed that Dennis Morris – a 6th round pick – is an all-pro who will depose Cooley, Moss, Davis and all the rest. I just can’t imagine how all the other teams managed to miss him 165 times. On the post, I too probably would have taken Campbell, but it could have backfired.
there must be a personal vendetta against cooley by this guy or he wants to bang his wife . every possible scenerio this guy has made with trades are totally football incompetent yeah the giants look real good for trading shockey . boss sucks. the chiefs offense looks great without tony gonzales like i said we would,n even be talking about davis if cooley did not get hurt and what did davis do so great to beat out cooley . and lol lol morris please this guy is a h back full back so get off the pipe already ..
Well...
It’s true that Cooley has been very productive as a Redskin, but you can’t argue that his contract looks a bit heavy for a guy coming back from a severe injury. With a lockout looming, and a renegotiated cap coming after that (that may well include fully guaranteed contracts) it isn’t foolish to at least look at moving Cooley.
People love to overvalue players on their own team, so I would say that Cooley is gone for a 2nd, possibly for a 3rd and a late-round pick. The Raiders gave us a 4th in 2012 for JC, and they were in a shitty situation as far as leverage. I think the market is pretty low for mid-level players with large contracts.
by TerroristFistJab on May 5, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Morris is a Beast
One thing I noticed in the highlight video that was linked on HH last week was that even though Morris played on a “lesser” team, when he went against the big dogs from the SEC he was still producing TDs. He led the nation in TDs for a TE, and did it against everybody. His best highlight OMFG catch was against the best DB he faced, a first round pick in this draft. He blocks savagely, with quite a violent initial punch. Of course, I haven’t seen his worst plays either, but he seems to have sound technique in multiple areas.
I just have a feeling we are going to love this guy, and fairly soon. He won’t need much time to figure out our scheme and is physically ready to go up against NFL players, no doubt. At the very least, he will put in effort in practice and push Davis and Cooley.
Cooley is good, but I doubt we would get fair value for him in a trade because there are flat-out other TEs out there who have been more productive recently.
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by CapitalDominion on Apr 29, 2010 6:29 PM EDT reply actions
Morris is a Beast
CapitalDominion – agree on all your points, Morris looks good, and we can’t possibly get fair value for Cooley. Let’s just sit back and enjoy the action, and forget any trades involving Cooley, Davis or Morris. Just get FAs, or trade one or two defense guys – we have a lot of people, even some surplus. On Campbell, I said it could have backfired because he would have come in with very high expectations – which he probably could not have met – leading to disappointment.
My take...
1) I’ve never run a 3-4, and our LB corps has playmakers to start, but was lacking depth before. Between scheme and personnel, we needed to bring in some good LBs too. We got some good O-line depth late in the draft, so I think the right call was made.
2) Agreed – even if we were 3-deep at top-rate TE, we wouldn’t get a pick in return that would give us a good shot to get another Pro-Bowler. Maybe if we were still deep it would be a consideration if a team with a below avg WR corps has a pass-catching TE that goes down (JAX, TAM maybe SD and DEN), and would offer something higher, but you’ll probably notice that description applies to us too. We need to have something offensively that we can better count on to create mis-matches and that defensive coordinators have to scheme for. We’re unproven yet here.
3) Yep
4) Definitely loved the cheap pick-up. Also though, it’s more than just Carriker and AH at NT – you mentioned Ma’ake, but I think Montgomery and Golston (maybe) could also get some time splitting into the NT position, and the more I think about it, the more I like the split (and likely occasional hybrid) between 3-4 / 4-3 that I’m sure we’ll play.
5) I don’t see it happening – there’s going to be an odd man out who doesn’t see many touches and can’t make the most of what they do get in training camp / pre-season and the 3rd back will end up being a younger guy who has some instant impact ability (i.e. can still outrun a safety).
6) I’m going to my happy place and ignoring this possibility right now.
Ken, Why do we need to trade pro-bowler for pro-bowler? Why not a solid Free safety, or OLB and a draft pick?
Under the right circumstance, but no way to know until middle of the season at the earliest...
First, I was talking about trading for a high draft pick (i.e. where most Pro-Bowlers come from) – I really doubt we’d get another Pro-Bowler in an area of need (unless we’re talking a specialist) in a 1-1 trade, though of course anything is possible.
I’ll optimistically say that we have a lot of offensive potential this year, but it’s just potential right now. If it all gels and we have a lot that it turns out opposing defenses need to specially prep for, then sure, we can talk trade for any 1 of those pieces. In the meantime, we can’t get rid of one of our TEs who are the the only piece of the puzzle that isn’t potential (though Morris doesn’t count towards that yet).
If Morris does turn out to be good, then yes, I’d be up for such a trade (solid NFL starter + draft pick, 4th round or higher), but we’re nowhere close to that yet. I’ve never played organized football in my life, but have played soccer all throughout. If I had every game I’ve played in for the past 4 years taped, I’m sure I could come up with a 3 minute highlight reel of my ‘mad skills’ making someone fall on their ass, showing me winning a number of challenges for the ball, and a some nice goals. Ain’t no way I’m making it onto any national, professional, or even semi-professional team anywhere – I don’t even start for the men’s league team I play on! Might some team see my YouTube video and then sign me before anyone else has a chance to steal me away – as I said, anything is possible, but how likely do you see that happening?
Bottom line – even if Morris turns out to be a beast, you won’t have been ‘right’ about him – you’ll have gotten lucky (unless there’s some other wealth of scouting information you’ve found and hadn’t shared), so I wouldn’t agree to any trade right now.
Ken, how about the 12 td's he scored last year ?? Cooley played at Utah State, D. Morris at La Tech.
Both of these schools are similar size. If you go back and watch video of Cooley you will notice he ran good routes and caught the ball. This is the same thing that Morris does only he is faster, bigger and blocks better.
by LETJASONPASS on Apr 30, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure why McNabb would be rested for the playoffs
They only rest QBs who are actually going to the playoffs. McNabb plays at most 10 games, leaving Sexy Rexy throwing up jump balls for 5 games and, maybe, Colt will display why he’s the 3rd string. Leaving a slightly improved record of 6-10.

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