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Redskins Jason Campbell Traded to Raiders for Future Pick

I can't help but think Bruce Allen's quote, "the future is now." Well, a 4th round pick in 2012 doesn't really back that. NFL Network is reporting the pick is 2011. But let's be real. The Redskins were on the verge of releasing Campbell and there were still decent QBs on the board. Perhaps the Redskins could have held on to Campbell and tried to trade him mid-season for more value...when teams are desperate and need a QB. But the Redskins have punished Jason enough - and I mean that physically and mentally.

It's not often Al Davis wins in a trade, so I'll be curious to hear Shanahan's comments. After what JC has gone through, it's only fair to let him have a chance elsewhere with a clean start. JC got to speak with Al Davis before the trade, so the Redskins handled this with class, which is very respectful.

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Not only no, but hell no

If it’s a 2012 pick, it should have been something closer to a freaking 2nd.

There may not even BE a draft in 2012, depending on what happens next year!

by BillWard on Apr 24, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Funny,

He’s not good enough to be starter any more but yet he’s worth a starters pick in the draft? Should be happy they traded anything for him before he was going to be released.

by Boofer on Apr 24, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, I don't know where you get he's not good enough to be a starter

I would have been happy to keep Campbell, not trade for McNabb, and have the two picks. I can see a lot of guys we could have gotten for that 2nd rounder that could have seriously helped us, and JC wasn’t the problem last year, the OLine and the Coach were.

by BillWard on Apr 24, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has no clue

Boofer is a cowboy fan on our site. He has no clue if he says campbell aint no starter. He was better then 20 of the starting QB’s in the league.

by Niteoftheskins on Apr 24, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not good enough to be a starter on the Mike Shanahan Redskins.

This all coming from Shanahan trading for McNabb and then shipping JC to OAK.

I’m not saying he’s not a good football player, nor does my opinion on weather he should had stayed in DC, but the facts all point to Shanahan thinking he wasn’t good enough to keep in DC.

Make all the excuses you want about the OLine or coaching staff. I’m not talking about the past. I’m talking about the now. And now JC plays in OAK.

And I don’t remember claiming to be a Cowboys fan. Thanks for trying.

by Boofer on Apr 24, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tha Truth The Whole Truth

It’s no secret that The Truth is in front of us. It all starts in the trenches and upfront. I don’t care who you put back there if the Oline is not solid then you will get he same results. We talk about how the Eagles Fans wanted to get rid of McNabb heck the apple hasn’t fallen far from the tree in us Skins Fans getting rid of Campbell.

I just hope Shanahan is not the next Steve S*&@#pier I hate that name. We putting all our hope in him cause he won a SuperBowl. We were the same fool’s who was drinking that same koolaid and look what happen.

The Jury is out for me and I will wait until Jan 2011 and let hell rain down up us if we finish in the bottom of the division. I give it 2 years and we will be calling for Danny, Bruce, and Mike head if this move doesn’t pan out. The Football Gods are really watching us the next 2 years.

by Niteoftheskins on Apr 24, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree for the most part.

I think as “successful” the Eagles have been during the McNabb era, I think he was just the easy blame. Unlike the Campbell era, it’s been more on the O-line, coaching and lack of a good, draft-built receiving core. I’m pretty sure when Donavan makes it back to Philly he’ll get boo’d, vs. Jason making it back to DC, I think he’ll get a standing ovation.

As for drinking the Kool-Aid, I think Synder drank it for us. We’re all just not holding our breathe this time. Shanahan had been rumored for a long time, so we were eased into the thought of him head coaching in DC. Cowher rumored before Zorn, we all hoped going with Zorn would worked out better.

I think Mike in DC is a 3 year plan, so you should give it that extra year.

by Boofer on Apr 24, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

JC had similar numbers to McScabb.

The Cowboys must be secretly running this organization. We are going to suck for ever. Shanny will be gone in three years. JJ is laughing at this train wreck.

by brettpedigo on Apr 24, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure

but look at how they got their numbers. McNabb got his WINNING games. Yes, their numbers were similar. But, while JC would have a good game, he just never pulled it out in the end, whereas McNabb has a knack for doing just that.

by CJHutch on Apr 24, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

Some teams win despite obvious flaws in team construction – see our two playoff runs under Gibbs and the 6-2 start under Zorn.

How in the fuck does JC get the blame for not “pulling it out” if he doesn’t have the ball in his hand? If the team gets Suisham’d? Just stop with that shit. McNabb and JC were eerily similar, with JC being better in several categories.

JC did pull one out of his rectum last year, in a game where he was absolute shit in the 1st half. Tampa was on their way to a victory before two great TD drives by Jason got us one of our 4 victories. JC isn’t going to get confused for Manning or Brady anytime soon, but don’t be so quick to jump on the DMac wagon yet.

by TerroristFistJab on Apr 24, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry

I just look at the fact that McNabb is a winner, has a winning record, and Campbell does not. Was it all Campbell? No, nor was it all McNabb. But the bottom line is that no, Campbell did not pull out the win enough times. You could count those times on one hand, in fact. The Suisham misses were awful, but those weren’t the only games we lost in the end. I am not a Campbell hater, and I do not want to bash him on here. I think he is a viable starter at QB. I just don’t think he’s as good as McNabb. And I don’t think there is anyone outside of this site who would even entertain the thought.

by CJHutch on Apr 24, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you there

While I do think McNabb is a winner, and will be a big boost here, I think that Campbell was one of the most stable parts of our team, and was one of the better as well. If we hadn’t gotten McNabb and lost Campbell, we’d be in trouble with just Rexy boy.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 25, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

how I feel. Like I said, I’m no Campbell hater. I don’t like talking negative about the guy, because he is about as professional as you can get. and in now way whatsoever do I blame all of our problems on him. All I’m trying to say is that, regardless of numbers, some guys are just better. Period. It’s not even about knocking Campbell. It’s just that McNabb is a better player, period. And, like I said, you won’t find anyone outside of this area who would even discuss the topic.

Also, I’m hoping that Colt can somehow make the strides to impress SHanny enough to take over the #2 spot. I am not a big Grossman fan.

by CJHutch on Apr 25, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not certain Mrs. Grossman is a big Sexy Rexy fan.

I do not like him with the ball
I do not like him in the fall
I do not like him in the spring
I do not like his interception thing

I do not want him on the team
I guess that’s actually too mean
If he rides the board all year
I think we’ll all just need to cheer.

by BillWard on Apr 25, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well what can you do

we did all we could to lower his trade value.

by SkinsOsTerps on Apr 24, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

sort of...

its true that the guy’s been on the block for a while. but no matter what, once we traded for McNabb his value took a big hit. Meanwhile, if we had traded him before we got McNabb the price for McNabb would likely have been a lot higher…

by akminstral on Apr 24, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want to rehash it

but thats why I think the McNabb move was highly questionable to begin with. I don’t see how we’re winning long term on it.

by SkinsOsTerps on Apr 24, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder

what the Raiders fans think about this

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Apr 24, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Probably remembering how Washington has NEVER once won a trade with the Raiders

We are the ONLY team, EVER that can be said about.

The Raiders even picked our pockets during the Charlie Casserly/Joe Gibbs era. Anyone else remember Calvin Mohammed?

by BillWard on Apr 24, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um, no.

How bout Jay Schroeder for Jim Lachey…

by akminstral on Apr 24, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, we got the better of that.

Lachey for Schroeder was better for us in the long run, but Jay was not a bad QB either; he failed miserably in LA, but that was on the team, not on him. He was never the right fit for them.

by BillWard on Apr 24, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

They Love It

Vet QB with huge arm under 300 lbs.

by Elaw6 on Apr 24, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Al Davis is dumb enough to do it.

But in that case, I’m really sorry for Jason. He’s one classy guy, and deserves so much better than he got here, and he’s going to get there. I hope when the time comes, the Raiders end up putting him in their HoF for his future work; just I hope that have the footnote that he never was able to beat the Redskins.

by BillWard on Apr 25, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rekka

I just talked with one of my soldier in the bay area and he saying that they like this move. He was telling me about the Jay Schroeder move back in the day.

by Niteoftheskins on Apr 24, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

::sigh::

I just hope they do him better than we did

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Apr 24, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

that far away it should have been a first.

by beef g on Apr 24, 2010 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn 2012

Is this a movie or something. Al Davis the got us again. We got pennies on the dollar for nothing.

by Niteoftheskins on Apr 24, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

when did he get us the first time?

"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato

by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 24, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

NFL Network just reported

its a 4th in 2011. Probably a misspeak, but hopefully not.

by Joe_G on Apr 24, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmm...def makes more sense.

hard to believe Shanny would allow a 2011

"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato

by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 24, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

meant 2012

"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato

by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 24, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either way, it's a 4th rounder and that's higher than most teams would pay

So I like that move. I wish Jason the best of luck in Oakland, which looks like a much improved team after this draft. Their defense could be quite good.

Now it’s tine for the ’Skins to pick up Alan Faneca!

by mmford10 on Apr 24, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Dennis Morris....Skins draft a TE/FB....ugh...why?

"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato

by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 24, 2010 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Another TE

Don’t we got Cooley and Davis. I hope we get a QB and it still some good players on the board.

by Niteoftheskins on Apr 24, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shanny likes havinf an athletic FB/HB

Think of Peyton Hillis.

The Shanahan era is going to bring the Redskins back to Glory! Great QB and an actual O-line.

by Horcasitas4 on Apr 24, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Athlete yes

But being a Denver fan too, I’ve seen how he struggles to block

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 24, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree he is big

And on occasion can block, but in some big games last season, he was called on, and failed to block well.

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2010/03/17/fullback-peyton-hillis-getting-mixed-reviews/

SI.com

Marginally strong at the point, gathers into blocks, and rarely finishes off defenders. Does a lot of unnecessary cut-blocking.

NFP

Michael Lombardi of The National Football Post writes that the Browns trade with the Broncos for fullback Peyton Hillis was basically a dump. Lombardi says that some fans might think Hillis is a valuable commodity, but his lack of blocking and production without the ball makes him very iffy to even make the Browns roster next season. Hillis might look good occasionally with the ball in his hands, but his lack of overall toughness without it has to be in question.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 24, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weakness of AFC West

Jason might be able to sneak the raiders into the playoffs. Its gonna be fun watching him perform in the AFC

by Elaw6 on Apr 24, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Oakland Got A Steal

If you look at who they drafted the Raider Nation has officially stolen draft weekend !!!!!!!! they have addressed all there needs with quality players and people. I was looking at who they picked up and I’m impressed

by Niteoftheskins on Apr 24, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

me too

Them and the Seahawks have really taken this draft. Totally impressed.

Redskins? I don’t know who has had a worse draft than us. Maybe Buffalo, but that’s a stretch.

by killianskid34 on Apr 24, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more

Don’t even have to pay for him till next off season.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 24, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

McClain is awesome, but they already have a good young MLB

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Apr 24, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schefter is saying 4th rounder in 2012

Why not throw in a couple of Jason Candle cut-outs and a cute Gecko antenna topper while we’re at it?

by killianskid34 on Apr 24, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Ah the good ol' days

when we started the year 6-2 and Campbell was Geico commercial worthy

by mdm1185 on Apr 24, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Raiders fans should be happy,

they just got a QB who’s perfect for their system for basically free.
McNabb had better stay healthy for the next 2 years. (don’t count on it)

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Apr 24, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Cause if he doesn't

Grossman is all we have now, this isn’t good.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 24, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gloom and Doom...

Campbell could get hurt just as easy, I think I like the McNabb/Grossman combo, over Campbell/Grossman. At least McNabb/Grossman have the balls to pull the trigger.

by Scorin' Scalps on Apr 24, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He got hit by everything except a truck last year and still got up

McNabb/Campbell trumps McNabb/Grossman

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Apr 24, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

+17

Give me McNabb/Campbell over McNabb/Grossman anyday.

by VA_Skin on Apr 24, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Duh...

I know Campbell’s tough as nails, but he could still get hurt. As far as McNabb/Campbell, uh, yeah, but it still has Campbell as a back-up.

by Scorin' Scalps on Apr 24, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 24, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

- Fresh start
- Gonna write a playbook because he knows so many plays in so many different systems
- Gonna work hard and compete
- Gets the impression he’ll be in camp as the starter

by ReggieBullits on Apr 24, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is the starter

He’s by far the best they’ve got.

Not saying Gadowski and Batch couldn’t be decent backups behind him, but that’s one of the benefits of having Campbell… unless you break a bone, he’s going to be up and playing in a couple more plays.

Of course, if JeMarcus Russell is working in the NFL next season, it should be as official jock strap washer. He’s just garbage.

by BillWard on Apr 24, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt

Campbell is the best QB on their roster.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 24, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

Truth, but he does make them better.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 24, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is BS

We should have just held on to JC and waited until a team was on their knees with no QB (due to injury) in this upcoming season, where we would had the leverage to ask for a 2nd or 3rd (or both). Grossmam is a bum and doesn’t hold a candle to Campbell. I am totally unimpressed.

by VA_Skin on Apr 24, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

That would've

been messed up towards JC17, but i do understand the bussiness side of it

by Elaw6 on Apr 24, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

raider nation dont get carried away .

i was just on silver and black pride and they just think they got the second coming of jim plunkett. llok hr is a upgrade over fat boy jamarcus but lets get serious this guy had gibbs for his coach and gibbs ran a pretty good offense and he done craplets face it jc fans shanny did not think he can win for the skins thats why he is in oakland. plus brennan is stll on this roster and i think shanny will keep him as the 3rd qb option ..

by lohaus#54 on Apr 24, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously?

Gibbs ran a pretty good offense? Son please…

The offense of the Gibbs2.0 era was a middling, boring, hyper-conservative offense. During his second tenure, this team finished 31st, 13th, 20th, and 18th in points (from 2004-07). That is not pretty good. That is ass, especially for a guy who’s supposed area of expertiese was offense!

Campbell has improved in a linear fashion in every major category with the exception of his INTs, of which he threw 6 (as a rookie in 7 games), 12 (in 13 games before INJ), 6 (leadng the league in lowest INT% of 1.2%), and then 15 (during a season in which he was still better at protecting the ball than Jay Cutler, Mark Sanchez, Matt Stafford, Matt Hasselback, Matt Cassell, and Peyton Fucking Manning).

In other words, he was doing just fine as the Quarterback of this team despite being beaten to shit because we had absolutely zero offensive line depth. I’m not saying JC was HOF bound, but his position was not an area we needed to upgrade.

by TerroristFistJab on Apr 24, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It worked better then what we've ran since

They at least won games.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 24, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

A-fuckin-MEN

Kids in the backseat cause accidents, Accidents in the backseat cause kids.

by Area 51 Forever on Apr 24, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

he had a low interception rating because he was scared to throw the god damm ball more then twenty yards look the guy sucked bad o line or not he did,nt make plays for us how many come from behind wins did he lead the skins as our starter compared to mcnabb ?? i,ll tell you not even close to mcnabb in fact zero. it sounds like to me you are pretty crushed about campbell being let go . so i got some advice for you go root for the raiders now and go get your freaking campbell#17 jersey and go paint your face silver and black and be a mongrol like those dip shit black hole raider douches jesus christ enough of this campbell shit the guy was a loser and shannahan and bruce allen knew i talk to me when the raiders make the playoffs next year which wont happen and the skins go 1_15 which wont happen good luck in oakland jc with the disfunction that goes on in shit hole you will be begging to play for the edmonton eskimos in a year..

by lohaus#54 on Apr 25, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

-1

Who do you want him to stretch the field to? you want him to just air it out at the end of his 3 step drop before he gets sacked and hope someone catches it? Hit small Moss while he is double covered? just “buy himself 4 or 5 extra seconds” so someone can get open down the field and he can connect with a receiver?

Why don’t you just ignore all of the facts and say “I am sick of the excuses for JC”, even though they are all true, and just say that he sucks.

And ya, I will be rooting for the raiders next year as my #2 team behind the skins and I will be pulling for JC 100% Soon as JC jerseys go on sale I will snag one :)

by RobtheRedskin on Apr 25, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

cussing and insults

seems to the best people can muster when trying criticize a defense of Campbell.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Apr 25, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly...

Learn how to fucking type. See the little bolded punctuation mark? That’s called a period. Use it, as proper punctuation is your friend.

People put emphasis on the dumbest things when evaluating athletes. How many come from behind victories did he have? I want a QB who has the ability to get and keep us ahead, from start to finish. You don’t do that by throwing ass-loads of picks (which, by the way, McNabb has been known to do).

I’m pissed about the trade because the value we received in exchange does not compare to the value JC would have provided as our 2nd string QB, as McNabb hasn’t played a full 16 (not to mention any playoff run) in a couple of years. Rex Fucking Grossman is why I’m mad. Were you a fan when we went through the Spurrier experiment? Remember Shane Matthews and Danny Weurffel? Yeah, I’ll say it, UF QB’s suck ass. Tebow, you’re next.

As for JC in Oakland, just remember that they had what a lot of football people considered a great draft, one made even better by getting a pro-quality QB for minimal cost, so don’t count them out, maybe their FO has learned their lesson better than ours has.

by TerroristFistJab on Apr 26, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

hey fist jab ..

first of all harvey milk i,ve been a skins fan since 84 so dont go telling me about the spurrier era 2nd dude your on the pay no mind list on here puncuation is the least of your worries what are you campbells relative or what dont blow a gasket sexy rexy is not going to sniff a play this year we have colt as the third qb and to make you feel all warm inside we signed daryl clark to a free agent contract oh and campbell,s raider jersey is going for 79.99$ on n.f.l.dot com they said there going like hot cakes bahhhhhhhhhhhh lol lol lol better get yours soon jeez grow up already booo hooooo jc is gone deal with it and support mcnabb already ..

by lohaus#54 on Apr 26, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's a hint:

In the English language, the dollar sign comes before the dollar amount. Watch: “…is going for $79.99”.

You could be the ghost of Sammy Baugh and I’d still think that you were a know-nothing, illiterate assbag that lacks the ability to:

a) Write coherently using the English language
b) Speak authoritatively about the Washington Redskins.

You pretty much outed yourself as a fool with your ranting about JC, but the fact that you even brought up Colt Brennan pretty much tells me all I need to know about the depth of your knowledge about football.

And seriously, I don’t know how old you are, what you do for a living, or your highest level of education, but learn to fucking type. I’m patient enough to read through your gigantic run on sentence up there, but I doubt most people will. Seriously, look at it: you tried to use an apostrophe but used a comma, you fucked up the dollar-sign thing, and you completely forgot how/when to capitalize.

Even worse, I assume your “Harvey Milk” comment was some kind of insult, but what the hell does anyone’s sexuality have to do with football? You like a game played by grown men in which they thow themselves on top of one another while wearing tight-ass pants. I guess I should call you Ricky Martin? Seriously, go troll on a Cowboys site, it’s an embarassment to know you and I support the same team.

by TerroristFistJab on Apr 27, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol lol lol lol lol now i know why the call you fist jab go blow campbell you turd your a disgrace to all skins fans what i forgot about football you could never learn who made you fucking albert einstein anyway. you love that loser so much like i said go root for the raiders they are as disfunctional as you are like i said you are on the pay no mind list nobody wants to hear you whine about how much you wish campbell did,nt get traded the bottom line is we fans true fans not posers want to win now and campbell was not the man to do it . get it threw your andy dick brain jc is a lose jc is a loser lose loser loser loser loser loser loser … now go by that jersey you freak ..

by lohaus#54 on Apr 27, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet...

on the street you’re a really nice guy. I bet you’re probably not as stupid as your inability to type and speak would seem to indicate.

But here? You’re just another internet gangster. You haven’t even bothered to respond to my football-related comments. You just string together a few insults, an ‘lol’ or two, and go on your merry way. You’re the absolute worst kind of football fan to get into a conversation with, and you’re attitude is indicative of why some people find football obsessives obnoxious.

I’ll close with a final thought: slow the fuck down, think before you type, use proper punctuation/capitalization, and grow the fuck up.

by TerroristFistJab on Apr 28, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Additionally...

How in the fuck can you be a fan of the:

1) Redskins
2) Celtics
3) Rangers

You’re just a head trip man. I don’t understand it. I can understand growing up a fan of a team if your city doesn’t have one (my love of the Orioles), but Boston/New York/DC?

by TerroristFistJab on Apr 28, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

first off i am a hellava guy and have many friends. if you want to talk football like a normal football fan i can do that it just seems to me your love for campbell is just insane and your thrashing of mcnabb is unjust. look i really wanted jc to be the guy every skins fan did but he did,nt show anything yeah his stats went up passer rating blah blah .but he did not win any games and shanny wants to win now the skins dont want a 5 year plan we had to many losing seasons. dont you want to win now? i,m tired of the cowboy fans spitting in our faces. if campbell turns the raiders into a superbowl contender and donovan bombs out with the skins. then i would be the first to say you were right and it was a bad move getting rid of campbell. and you are wrong about brennan remember flutie got alot of flack for having a crazy throwing motion and was to small and look at him he turned out a really good qb . i,m not saying colt will be another flutie but if he is still on this roster in 2 years they should give him a shot. and there is no better teachers then shanny and mcnabb. so make your opinion and be immature about peoples typing skills trust me nobody on this blog site is a genius if they were they wouldnt make so many negative zero knowledge football related comments. remember we are not coaching this team or making executive football moves like a g.m. we are fans that right are opinions just like sports writers but there opinions are more accurate then ours all i have to say to you is hail to the skins and go mcnabb..

by lohaus#54 on Apr 30, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also...

He led the team on four 4th quarter comebacks and seven game-winning drives in his time here.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=CampJa00

by TerroristFistJab on Apr 26, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch, uppercut to the haters.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Apr 26, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

When we're sucking this year...

…we’ll still have that 4th round pick in 2012 to look forward to. We’ll dream of the players that we can get with that pick, or what picks we can turn that pick into.

by killianskid34 on Apr 24, 2010 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

QBs

I have to admit, I’m puzzled. They trade JC and don’t pick any QB at all, and there are almost no prospective QBs left anywhere, leaving them with McNabb, Rex and Colt and Bartels. I like DM, but what if he gets hurt? They must be happy with their QBs. But if so, why did Mike go running around all over the country studying QBs? All smoke and mirrors? And if that was it, why waste so much time? We simply took one of two suitable OTs, one of which would certainly be available, no matter what. And what the heck is all this trading at the end? Sure, we got more picks, but anybody we get here is likely to be undrafted anyway. I wonder if they only took one OT because Faneca became available, so they figure him for RG and both Hicks and Big Mike Williams at RT, reducing the need for a RT? They do seems to like Hicks at RT. They just took a RG.

by Donnio1234 on Apr 24, 2010 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Any of the bigger name QBs

would have cost us too much, and we didn’t need them anyway. I think we’ll draft a QB next year but it was simply not a need this year.

And Shanny scouting Bradford also coincided with him studying Williams.

by Boo. on Apr 24, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Capers

They just took OT Selvish Capers from WV at 231. I’ve heard him mentioned a lot. What do all you experts say? Will he battle Hicks for RT?

by Donnio1234 on Apr 24, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Cook and Capers

Great finish to a smart draft.

JC trade negates the 4th/3rd rounders for mcnabb.

FO gets a B+ in my opinion

by word2bigbird on Apr 24, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait, what?

A B+ for what exactly?

We traded a competent QB for a 2010 4th rounder, if we discount for the fact that the better the Raiders get, the worse our pick, we might be taking a player in the late 4th round of 2012. How does that recoup the high 3rd and 4th we gave up in this year’s draft for DMac?

We took a project as the #4 overall selection, despite the near consensus that Okung is the better LT prospect. We took a LB in the 4th and a TE in the 6th. The LB is arguably a position of need, so I won’t complain too much, but we could’ve had the TE/FB as a UDFA. Why draft someone that wasn’t invited to the combine?

I rate this draft: I for incomplete, as we’re still sitting with Rocky and Fat Al on our roster, and no suitable long-term option at either QB or RB.

by TerroristFistJab on Apr 24, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

WIlliams isn't a project

Projects are players that cant play for a while. Williams will start day 1.

The Shanahan era is going to bring the Redskins back to Glory! Great QB and an actual O-line.

by Horcasitas4 on Apr 24, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

We gave up a 3/4 next year

It was good value for Jason based on the market.

I think it was a smart draft too. Sellers is probably done after this year (in terms of talent, at least) and thats a huge need position.

The LB was a big need too. And we got some OL depth. We didn’t have a lot to work with but I think all our moves are smart.

And don’t hold your breath on Rocky and Big Al. I don’t think they’re going anywhere.

by Boo. on Apr 24, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This Was

Overall a good off-season and draft for the Skins. There are some picks I don’t like (passing on Bruce Campbell), but at least they addressed our needs. Grade B+

by worldwidewes on Apr 24, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Not bad

I think not picking an RB may be a bit of an issue and skipping out on Bruce Campbell isn’t the move I’d have made but all things considered these look rational.

We spent 3 picks including our 4th overall on the offensive line. This is a huge improvement. If Williams reaches his potential and at least one of the other two are able to contribute either as starters or by adding much needed quality depth then that will be a major improvement.

Riley serves a need at LB.

Terrence appears to be a kick returner which we needed now that Cartwright is gone. Also a potential punt returner since ARE got cut. I think he was brought in for one of those purposes, not as a WR.

The only one I’m sort of scratching my head on is Dennis Morris.

by SkinsOsTerps on Apr 24, 2010 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

they just picked up

a RB that Shanny drafted in Denver. Maybe that’s why they didn’t pick one. But I’d take a flyer on LeGarret Blount as a rookie free agent.

by CJHutch on Apr 24, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah I didn't catch that

Whats the name of the guy you’re talking about? I will educate myself.

by SkinsOsTerps on Apr 24, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan Torain

Kids in the backseat cause accidents, Accidents in the backseat cause kids.

by Area 51 Forever on Apr 24, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any word from LJP?

I can already guarantee the sentiment, but I am still curious to see what he has to say about this.

by Dixie's Football Pride on Apr 24, 2010 5:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

You guys think this was a bad draft because the names aren't flashy.

After drafting Brennan, Landry, Brookes, we are used to the big names. How has that worked out for us? Trust Shanny, he can find gems. We had a great draft.
3 linemen. We all know we should have done this but are disappointed we did.
GET OUT OF CERRATO/SNYDER MODE PEOPLE!

The Shanahan era is going to bring the Redskins back to Glory! Great QB and an actual O-line.

by Horcasitas4 on Apr 24, 2010 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

unless those 7th rounders start

this can’t be a good draft. we needed three starters on the OL

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Apr 24, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Capers may be able to start.

He was given a second round grade after the college football but that dropped down to a fourth after the combine. Those 7th rounders will have an impact at some point, Shanny knows what to look for when drafting o-line men.

The Shanahan era is going to bring the Redskins back to Glory! Great QB and an actual O-line.

by Horcasitas4 on Apr 24, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Capers might not start in week 1 but he may transition to be a starter as the season goes on.

Hicks only played 253 snaps in the 2009 season, 342 in 2008, and 219 in 2007. It may be expecting too much for Hicks to go about 1,000 snaps for the full season, plus he will be 32 in November. Heyer will probably need to carry part of the load until Capers proves himself. Just a reality check. For Hicks wanting to be a full time starter is not enough. Another older player that is still capable for limited performance is Damion McIntosh:
2009 – overall rating + 100 = 101, pass blocking = 102, run blocking = 100 (only 2 games, but at LT)
http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&surn=M&playerid=642&group=1
2008 – overall rating + 100 = 89, pass blocking = 88, run blocking = 103 (right tackle)
http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2008&surn=M&playerid=642&group=1
2007 – overall rating + 100 = 113, pass blocking = 101, run blocking = 113 (left tackle)
http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2007&surn=M&playerid=642&group=1
Against Dallas and DeMarcus Ware in week 8, 2009
Pos. # Name…………….Total RBl PBl Ovr P Bl ScBl R Bl Pen # of Pen QB Sk QB Ht QB Pr
LT..77..Damion McIntosh 65 22 43 0.4 0.5 0.5 -0.6 0.0…0-0 1…….1……0……..0
DeMarcus Ware
Week Game Pos Snaps Ovr RDef. PRush PCov. Pen # of Pen QB Sk QB Ht QB Pr BP Tks Ass MT Stops
8SEA @ DAL ROLB.63 / 65… -1.6..-0.7…-0.5……0.1…-0.5 …1-0……….1……..1……..1……0….1….0…..0…….2

by Jefferson1935 on Apr 24, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude you've been saying that for months

But it doesn’t work that way. No one we could have traded would have given us enough low-round picks to get that caliber of linemen. Capers might have a chance to start, but I think he’ll sit this year. And you know what? I think that’s fine.

We do not need 3 starters. Mike Williams is fine at RG and Artis Hicks will be serviceable at RT. Trent Williams will be our LT and we will be alright, with some decent depth to step in if we have injuries.

by Boo. on Apr 24, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Williams and Hicks will suck on the right side and we'll see how the season goes.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Apr 25, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really concerned about Williams starting at LT as well

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Apr 25, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not sure why anyone votes NO

The Skins were not going to get anything more for JC and a 4th round pick is more than I thought you all would get

JC is not even that great a QB

by Alious on Apr 24, 2010 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

He is that great.

We should have gotten a third rounder for him, but we could only get a fourth.

The Shanahan era is going to bring the Redskins back to Glory! Great QB and an actual O-line.

by Horcasitas4 on Apr 24, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Similar numbers to McScabb had with a vastly superior line. The worst team this century robbed us. just to put those clowns in perspective.

by brettpedigo on Apr 24, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

am I missing something?

Cuz I don’t recall hearing any teams offering a 3rd rounder from Campbell. Just because we WANT a higher pick for him, doesn’t mean a team is gonna give that to us.

And McNabb’s line was not that good last year. They were decimated a lot like ours. Peters is vastly overrated, and they cut they’re first round, pro bowl guard.

by CJHutch on Apr 24, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted No

Because it’s a 4th in 20 freakin 12. I think a lot of people are missing that because there were conflicting reports in the media but the official site confirmed it.

by ReggieBullits on Apr 24, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

We did get ripped of here

Having to wait till next season to even get the pick is crazy.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 25, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

so does this mean let Jason pass is a raider fan now?

my friend is a raider fan and called me trying to brag about this deal. he was like Jason was a troy akimain or a Steve young. and i was like dude your line is just as bad as the skins were last year if not worse, your receivers are worse . plus Jason has a QB rating of 61 while Russell has a 55. while yes Jason isn’t lazy like Russell, but they both can’t read a def neither of them can feel the pocket collapsing around them both of them also like to stare down their receivers. He isn’t that big of a upgrade from him. plus with Jason’s personality he is even a worse fit for the raiders this is a team that promotes fights in the locker room between players and staff. Jason made a mistake going here.. there is a reason why they call this team the black hole of football. make no mistake i never liked him but i hate to see him go there.

by confederate_gent on Apr 24, 2010 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Dude...

His QB rating was 86 last year. That is leaps and bounds above the dough boy.

As a matter of fact, JC was in the middle of the pack by that metric, ahead of several “name” QB’s.

by TerroristFistJab on Apr 24, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Compared to their other QBs

Campbell will start. To me their depth chart is:
Campbell, Boller, Gradkowski, Frye, Russell, but more then likely Gradkowski or Frye is gone.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 25, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you guys feel that Jason's getting a chance to start even if it is for the raiders is a consolation prize to the fact that

he has been sent to the raiders? Or since he was going to be trade bait for the most part does anyone have any remorse for sending him to the black hole?

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Apr 24, 2010 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it's the best spot for him to start and earn a big second contract

Their line is improving, They have a decent RB group and a good TE. The recievers are young but fast and Louis Murphy isn’t bad. I think the Raiders D is gonna be solid as well.

by BayAreaBullet on Apr 24, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Raiders have made some solid moves

Being a Denver fan too, I am a bit more nervous to face them now.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 25, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Raiders gave Campbell

an extension for 2011 – $4million plus.

by Jefferson1935 on Apr 25, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is a consolation prize

I really hate to see him go to the “:black hole”, and I would have liked to see him go to any other team in the NFL, but I must say I would rather him start at Oakland then ride the pine in Washington.

good luck JC.

by RobtheRedskin on Apr 25, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Skins organization ruined Jason's development

first let me start by saying Campbell is a class act, and will always have my respect.

the redskins organization is the only one at fault for not developing him right, at this stage of his career at age 29 yrs not sure if he can excel but I hope he does.

If Campbell would have been selected by the packers, his development could have been better and maybe he would have turned out to be Aaron Rodger. I can’t imagine if we would have chosen Aaron Rodgers, we would have ruined his career. I’m mentioning this as many already know, Rodgers was selected 1 pick before Campbell in 2005. I can’t imagine what the development would have been, changing playbooks every year. Second Grandpa 2.0 Gibbs was never the same and gave in to Cerrato’s ideas.

As a skins fan, I can only hope we never go back to the Cerrato era, where he would never pick offensive tackles, and hopefully the culture starts to change, and we start valuing our draft picks from now on.

by nfceastking on Apr 25, 2010 12:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Mack Brown

The coach of the Texas Longhorns said because of how many systems Campbell has been in, he will make a great offensive coordinator in a few years, and I think that would be awesome.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 25, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not Campbells fault he turned out to be who he is....

as mentioned before, we ruined his development, and as much as I like his personality, being a class act guy, and the good games he had that got Redskins nation excited, we cannot overlook some of his ify performances.

Unfortunately we cannot pretend to overlook some of his flaws, there are some intagibles in a QB that can’t get overlooked, yes he has a big arm, he is physical, can run. He was too inconsisten in his progression, at times he looked great, but at times he panicked, helt the ball a second or two too long, in the NFL that makes a difference between an open receiver and coverage, had a lot to do with decision making.

When he was on the pocket, he at times wouldn’t take enough steps back, and would also make a difference between a sack and a completion.

Redskins nation please don’t start with the offensive line again, which in part its true he suffered a lot because of that, but lets not have amnesia and don’t overlook the times when the offensive line was healthy and he would hold the ball too long and would force the passes in to tight coverage, and had a huge problem with his progressions.

2006 he started in mid season obviously his first season we ended 5-11, when Brunel got benched we were 3-5, and Campbell won two games and it was the year when our offensive line was as health as never before, what happen with that record? play calling? can it be a valid excuse that it was Campbell’s first year playing? I would think that would be more fair.

2007, our offensive line was also healthy, skins were struggling, Campbell coudn’t hit thru his progression and would just do the dinks and dunks, but most would argue that it was “just” his second season, fair argument, maybe.

take a quick look at the 2007 season under Campbell @ NY 17-24 L, @ GB 17-14 L, Philly 25-33 L, @ Dallas 23-28 L, @ TB 19-13 L, Bills 17-16 L,

What all those games have in common, is that Campbell had 6 opportunities to bail the skins out with a couple of signature wins that we never saw from Campbell, something other than the nice down the field first downs that got everyone excited that Campbell could be our “franchise” QB, and franchise QB, has two be able to bail you out, and 90 % of the times, he never did.

Yes 2007 was a tough season, the sad death of Sean Taylor, the team lost four straight games, it was Campbell’s second year, there are many reason how Campbell could have been set up to fail, and I understand its not Jason’s fault, that year it was the Al Saunders play calling mix etc. we were 5-7 though, no very good? Todd Collins steps in after the injury of Campbell against Chicago, we no longer saw the dinks and donks, Collins went down the field and all of a sudden we saw open receivers, and was a fresh look, doesn’t that tell us something?

I’m one of Jason’s biggest supporters, I was hoping he would get a chance under a legitimate Coach in Shanahan, but I think he saw enough of film that made him see that Campbell doesn’t have what it takes to be a game changer, despite all the adversities that set Jason went thru, where clearly he was set to fail, and its unfortunate.

 but at the end of the day when you have talent, as a player you have to say enough is enough and break the rules, if your a competitor you have to think out of the box, there are some things that you should be able to do, Campbell was always too quiet in the pocket and never seemed to pump his line or receivers.

 that translated to not be able to like bail us out of a game, I can only remember Jason was able to bail us out from a defeceit twice in 4 yrs, that is a very low percentage. Coaches see that Redskins nation, is nothing against Jason, unfortunately we ruined his development and he is who he is.

2008 new coach, new ideas, one play caller, the line was healthy (first half of the season) Skins go 6-2, and lets not kid ourself Redskins nation, Jason Campbell was playing robotic with that dink and donk game, Portis was having a good year, then the line breaks down and we go 8-8. Is good to have a game manager in the pocket, Campbell did a good job in that 6-2 start, but lets not forget that 2007 season, he was not a game changer, we never saw that signature win.

that 6-2 start included that amazing and only defeceit recover by Jason against a good legitimate team like the SAINTS we were down 24-15 with aprox 8 minutes left at home, It was the best performance by Campbell, was the best reaction I’d seen of him, we started from the 3 yrd line, deep passes to Cooley, for once Jason showing a sense of urgency managed to get us down the field, Portis scored, then we know the rest wit that deep pass against a back up corner from the Saints, and hits a deep strike to MOSS, and we win the game 29-24.

Then in 2009, no need to discect that year, the second come back by Jason, came against the lowly BUCS who were 0-5, lead the game 10-0 at half, and came back to win that game with a key deep pass to Moss and won that game by 3 points 16-13 to the lowly Bucs.

like they say, sometimes change is good, Campbell is a serviceable QB, he can get you down the field, maybe this chip on his should will get him pumped up, and hopefully he improves those little things that make the difference between a average QB to a good QB, and keep on growing.

Wish the best to Jason Campbell, and hopefully lights it up and shows the redskins organization that to become a good QB, stability is the key and hopefully the RAIDERS give him all the support, and stability to keep growing as a QB.

by nfceastking on Apr 25, 2010 1:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Jason Campbell will have a great year this year. You guys are missing the boat on something.

Jacoby Ford is now a Oakland raider. This guy is like Desean Jackson but faster. He is not just a track guy but a football player as well.

by LETJASONPASS on Apr 25, 2010 3:16 AM EDT reply actions  

JC was good.

I respect him, always will, for the class he conducted himself with amongst some of the most unstable situations in recent memory. I was lucky enough to be at the Saints game in New Orleans his first year that he took over mid-season, and watched him guide the ’Skins to an upset win over the team that now rules the NFC. I was impressed, and I think he could have been a bona fide Redskin great with enough time and support.

Unfortunately for him, McNabb came to town. I say unfortunately for him, because anyone who is being honest with themselves will tell you that’s an immediate upgrade. Current talent vs future upside. We KNOW McNabb can win. Within three seasons, Washington will have the pieces around him to make him a great success, and have no doubts the man has three seasons of Pro Bowl-caliber football in him, at least. I can’t make the same claim about Campbell; it may be until he’s McNabb’s current age that he truly thrives, and I don’t want to wait five years to see it.

Best of luck to him in Oakland, and now it’s time to get on board with McNabb and the organization in place, and cheer on the team we’ve all stuck with through many worse offseasons than this.

by tuckwell on Apr 25, 2010 3:26 AM EDT reply actions  

anyone see Boo's fanshot about that 4th rounder being conditional?

if it’s true, we’d all better be getting on the JC bandwagon

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Apr 25, 2010 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

ha true

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Apr 25, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

What happens to our pick if there's no draft in 2012???

"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato

by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 25, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

you'll hear

Al Davis’ evil cackle from the west coast

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on Apr 25, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

J-CAM

i AGREE WE NEEDED A CHANGE AT QB, BUT BASICALLY THE REDSKINS GAVE JCAM TO THE RAIDERS FOR FREE, WE SELECTED JCAM 25TH OVERALL 6 YEARS AGO IN THE 1ST ROUND, HE’S GOT GOOD ACURACY ON THE LONG BALL AND GOOD PLAY ACTION QB, HE’S DEF WORTH ALOT MORE THEN A 4THROUND PICK., IT SHOULD HAD BEEN A 2ND ROUND PICK AND A 4TH ROUND PICK AT THE LEAST

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS

kevin

by skinsfan85 on Apr 26, 2010 1:04 AM EDT reply actions  

billward what are u talking about

there has been a draft every year for the past 50 years, there will be one in 2012, wtf are you talking about, there might not be 1………OF COURSE THERE WILL BE 1

kevin

by skinsfan85 on Apr 26, 2010 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

What I am talking about (besides proper grammer) is...

that with a new Collective Bargaining Agreement between the NFL owners and the NFL Players Association that will have to be negotiated in the next two years, the NFLPA may not allow a draft. The draft started in 1936, in order to prevent bidding wars for top college players; in particular, players such as Red Grange and Jim Thorpe were heavily recruited and bidding occurred among teams for their services. The draft was designed to minimize that bidding; a team could select a player, and obtain sole ownership of the rights to that player (and before true free agency, they could continue to maintain those rights indefinitely, regardless of the players desires to move to a new team, and didn’t have a great deal of leverage against the team; the only way players moved was to be released, or traded, which helped to suppress the salaries of players. After the beginning of Free Agency, that changed; slowly the NFLPA has expanded their ability to have teams bid against each other for the rights of players. Eventually, the logical extension would be the ultimate, having teams bid for the rights of rookies, as opposed to the draft; the net result would be complete free agency. There is a lot of speculation that one of the demands of the NFLPA would be to do away with the draft. Probably won’t happen THIS CBA, because the owners are almost certainly going to force a lockout in order to force a rookie salary cap; the NFLPA will fight tooth and nail to reduce the years until free agency for a player (but probably not do away with the draft totally), while not allowing the owners to have a salary cap.

So, the net result is there may not be football in 2011; even if there is, it’s much more likely to be like the 1983 strike, which basically destroyed the regular season (only 5 games), and then a “Playoff Series” for the playoffs, with nearly every team invited. If there isn’t football in 2011, there is a possibility that there would not be a draft in 2012, or later. Eventually, the NFLPA will push to do away with the draft, but it’s not their highest priority; it’s just a question of how hard they push this year.

In the future, I’d hope that you check on the conditions around a comment before you post off the top of your head; most knowledgeable football fans are well aware of the issues, and the possibility that next years draft could be the last.

by BillWard on Apr 26, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually...

There’s been a draft each year for the past 74 years, but of course past events do not always indicate future outcomes.

Like BillW says below, the labor situation is pretty much fucked right now. In addition to the rookie cap, the NFLPA wants guaranteed money and a greater degree of team revenues. Owners obviously want the opposite. There might not be football next year and if the stumbling block is rookie contracts, it is entirely possible that the league wouldn’t hold its annual draft.

by TerroristFistJab on Apr 27, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

you were lucky to get a 4th rounder

i honestly thought he was only worth a 5th. for a guy thats been in the league as long as he has and never led his team to the playoffs, you should just be happy hes finally off your team. who cares about qb rating, stats get inflated when your playing from behind all the time. the real stat is wins and losses.

"When you go in the lions den you don't tippy toe in, you carry a spear, you go in screaming like a banshee, you kick whatever doors in, and say, 'where's the son of a bitch. If you go in any other way your gonna lose." - Brian

by Ravensfan52 on Apr 27, 2010 3:53 AM EDT reply actions  

And your team...

Just hired Jim Zorn to coach your QB. So go fuck yourself already.

And besides, they did go to the playoffs once while JC was on the roster, but that is a whole different story as even some Redskins fans think Todd Collins was the reason for the 3-0 run down the stretch when JC was knocked out of the Bears game.

As for the whole “stats” thing, part of the reason there were so many JC haters even on this site was that JC never posted big TD numbers. He managed the position well, protected the ball, and put his team in a position to win the game. Also, four years isn’t shit. He’s a dependable, durable, and solid passer. He got shafted here and hopefully OAK will treat him better.

by TerroristFistJab on Apr 27, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, it's not.

That’s a simplistic and narrow-minded way to evaluate a player.

the real stat is wins and losses.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Apr 27, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Archie Manning.

As they say, “’nuff said”.

The mark of a great QB has little to do with actual wins and losses; they can play a part, sure, but they are not the end all, be all, of evaluating a QB. Archie Manning never played on a team with a winning record, yet he is the second greatest QB in New Orleans history. He couldn’t make up for the flaws of the teams he played on, just as Jason couldn’t overcome the flaws of the teams he was on.

No, Jason Campbell wasn’t the best QB in the league, but he was a steady, dependable starter who improved every year; if he had had a better Offensive Line, and a defense that was able to provide shorter fields, he would have had a reputation of being one of the hottest young QBs (top 10-14). Having to constantly march 80 yards down the field on EVERY series, having to dodge blitzing DEs and LBs every play, and not having CP be a big play RB for the last four years meant that the defense could concentrate on taking Campbell out of the game; our record reflects their success.

I wish JC all the success in the world out in Oakland; I just hope that JC never wins against us when we have to play against him in the future.

by BillWard on Apr 27, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

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