The Thursday Line
by Sugar on Apr 15, 2010 11:47 AM EDT
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PrintOver/Under: 5 years Mike Shanahan is the head coach of the Washington Redskins
I am going with the over. Snyder held on to Cerrato for a decade. So...if Allen/Shanahan can eclipse the "Cerrato Standard", I think it is is safe to say they could be around for a while.
Over/Under: 2 years Donovan McNabb is the starting quarterback for the Skins
I'll take the over. I would love to see Shanahan take a quarterback high in next year's draft and bring him along under McNabb. If he can stay healthy, McNabb will keep the youngster off the field for the next couple years.
Over/Under: 85 catches for Devin Thomas next season
Hmmmmm...I'm going with the over because I think Thomas will emerge as McNabb's number one target this summer. It is entirely possible Devin Thomas is on the brink of a huge season.
Over/Under: 1,000 yds receiving for Santana Moss next season
Going with my first under. I think Moss will be effective and will make big plays, but I think Thomas' production will eat into his overall stats.
Over/Under: 6 interceptions for DeAngelo Hall
How could I not take the over here? If he has less than 7 interceptions this season, then our defense will have had a rough year. The name of the game in Haslett's scheme is turnovers. Hall has great hands and should see his share of opportunities.
Over/Under: 12.5 sacks for Brian Orakpo
If I was going to take the under, it would be because I thought he was probably going to have another 11-12 sack season. Whether he is blitzing more or not in Haslett's scheme, I expect opposing offensive coordinators to focus on him.
Over/Under: 8 wins for the Washington Redskins
I have never been accused of being mildly optimistic. I see 10-6 this season, so I am locked into the over. I am predicting McNabb channels Billy Kilmer.
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I'd say under for DT
I think we’re gonna spread the ball around alot more in this system
You're crazy man, just crazy.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I think Sugar
hacked Kevin’s SN and posted this
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
would explain the optimism
thank you Carver
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Casual Thursday is right
I’m not even looking forward to this friday, it’s next thursday that’s got me outta my head.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I put in for that friday already
depending on how things go, it’s either gonna be a slow burn in celebration. Or I’m getting shitfaced in despair.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I'll be right behind you
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Bring on the KOOOOOOLLAAAAIIIDE!!
BTW – I was on vacation. Did we ever set up a site for draft night festivities or not enough interest?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
geeze Scott
I was wondering where you ran off to.
There SEEMED to be enough interest. I think someone even offered us the back room with full sound at a bar if we wanted it. Kevin’s outta town, so he left it up to Sugar to get it organized. Haven’t heard anything since.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Draft Night - It's still on
Yea, we’ll post something on that tomorrow. It’s definitely still on…it’ll be a bar meetup somewhere near chinatown/metro center.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 15, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry to disappoint
but I am in no way linked to the mysterious washingtonwin. Just went a whole week without touching a computer. And they trade for McNabb…maybe I should go on vacation again…?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
O/U
DHall under, Orakpo over, 8 wins….wait for it…under.
That may change w/ the draft, but w/ this current OLine and schedule…no chance Lance.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
ahhh
that sounds like the KevinE I know
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
yea, it's tough being a realist.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 15, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta agree.
And I’ll add one:
Sugar’s BAC when he wrote that post: 0.08.
I’ll take the over.
McNabb is either going to be one and done, or three-four years. Shannahan is either going to be a two year flameout, or a four year couple-of-playoffs guy, but five? I’ll take the under, thanks, especially at his age and with our franchise in this shape.
And don’t even get me started with the Under I’m predicting on the wins…. 6-10 sure as heck sounds like an “Under” to me, and with our OLine in it’s current shape…….
First picture of McNabb in a Redskins uniform is out....
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
Here's even more pics...
http://blog.redskins.com/2010/04/15/yep-thats-donovan-mcnabb-in-a-redskins-uniform/
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 15, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
To go with his dance routine...
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 15, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Altho this dance is my favorite...
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 15, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yep, that primetime game
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 15, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes me feel better about my dancing...
where a good dance is when no one gets hurt…
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I just found another one of him dancing...
This warrants its’ own post for this weekend.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 15, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
they took our jerrrrbsssss
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Under on DT, over on 8-8 record
over on Santana .
8 weeks!
what’s the line on how many more weeks mcnabb continues to channel carl weathers with that mustache!
My turn
5 years Shanahan as HC: Over
2 years of Donovan McNabb: Over
85 catches for DT: Under, He’s more of a deep threat who will get higher ypc, let’s say 60 catches for 1,100 yards for 18ypc
1,000 yds receiving Moss: Under, McNabb loves to spread the ball around
6 INTs for Hall: Over, We all know if he can touch the ball he catches it, and the pressure will cause plenty of balls to fall in his lap
12.5 sacks for Orakpo: Under, 13 sacks is a lot to ask for. I’d be happy with him getting 10-12 as long as other are pulling their weight.
8 wins for the Skins: Under, I’m predicting an 8-8 season with risk to the downside if we don’t fix the OL.
all that sounds about right
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I think Moss will be over 1,000
He gets open like no other.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 15, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
as long as no one jams him at the line
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Will be interesting to see if/how he flourishes in the Shannanigans' Offense.
If they spread the ball and offer up some schemes designed to actually get him open – Pro Bowl? Methinks yes if they get Gaither and/or draft Oline.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Shannanigans...
I like it…def putting that in the vault for a future headline…hopefully won’t need to use it. cough**swinging gate**cough.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 15, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Shannaingans....
HAHHAHHAHHHAHAHHA
Put that one in the books.
I think I coined ‘ShanAllenhan’ first. Sheehan’s using it on 980.
ponies for everyone!
if they get Gaither and/or draft Oline.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Are talking about the same Santana?
He got zero separation last year.
He gets open like no other.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I'm sorry but
Was it just to easy for somebody to comment on “6 INTs for Hall: Over, We all know if he can touch the ball he catches it, and the pressure will cause plenty of balls to fall in his lap”
?
Pessimism/realism
5 years Shanahan as HC: Under, no HC has come close to lasting that long under Snyder
2 years of Donovan McNabb: As a starter? I think he lasts exactly 2 years.
85 catches for DT: Under. That would put him in the top 10 in the league. Not happening
1,000 yds receiving Moss: Under. He’s only done it once recently, and it was on a better offense than the one we’re going to trot out this year.
6 INTs for Hall: Under. He’s only done it once.
12.5 sacks for Orakpo: Under. 13 sacks is a lot, esp in a new system
8 wins for the Skins: Under, under, under. Unless we some how magically draft three linemen in the first three rounds, I see us going 6-10 at best. A coach and a QB only go as far as the offensive line & talent can take them, and our line blows, and our skill position players are an average bunch at best.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I'm with smuts,
although I’ll go on record for 5 wins; we will draft Okung and start Heyer at RT with Hicks as backup…yuk
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Apr 15, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
+1 to Smuts
We’ve got no reason to go all giddy.
Yes, we have the best QB in the NFC East this year. But that won’t help much when he’s flat on his back, on the stretcher, being carted off the field three plays into the season because we have NO FREAKING OLINE.
All I can say is PLEASE don’t trade JC…. I do NOT want to spend all season watching Rex Grossman play QB for us. I might have to go over to CJ’s in that case and steal his beer, and I’m the Tea-totaler, remember? (* I’m assuming that at the point that I would have to start drinking, CJ would have already given up on beer and progressed straight to Tequila and Jack Daniels to get over the misery*)
Your saying ELI or ROMO is better than McNabb?
Dude, have you gotten into CJ’s alcohol cabinet?
McNabb is far and away the best QB in the NFC East, has been for years. If he had had a better WR set he probably would have a lot more NFC championship under his belt, and might have a fancy ring or two.
Eli may have the ring, but the Gmen got it in spite of him; it was defense that got them into the dance, and defense that ultimately got them the ring. Romo is… well, Romo. Even Dallas Cowboy fans who love the guy are be willing to concede that he’s good in certain areas, but will break Cowboy fans hearts in others unless they’re just plain ignorant. And Kolb…..
So yeah, McNabb is the best QB in the East. And yes, Washington has him. And yes, we have a more credible receiving corps than McNabb has had in most years that he’s played (not necessarily all, but most). What we don’t have is a credible OLine, and without that we’re sunk.
Romo is a better QB than McNabb
and has been for the last couple seasons. McNabb throws a decent deep ball, but other than that he has poor accuracy on intermediate throws and how many times did you laugh at him in an Eagles uniform for throwing the ball in the dirt?
Lets look at the stats:
McNabb:
59.0%
231.5 ypg
1.52 TD/gm
.70 INT/gm
6.9 ypa
92.9 QB rating
Romo:
63.4%
273.5 ypg
1.9 TD/gm
1.0 INT/gm
8.1 ypa
95.6 QB rating
Just looking at the numbers, how can you say that McNabb is a better QB? Because he has been to 5 NFC title games? (and lost 4 of the 5, but Romo is the choke artist and McNabb is Mr. Cool?)
McNabb is a good QB and probably still top 10 in the league and instantly makes your team better than they were last week, but to even pretend that he is the best QB in the division is just plain crazy. You don’t have to take my word for it just turn on your television to whatever sports talk show you would like to watch and they will tell you the same thing.
Every QB has their downfalls and weaknesses, but Romo is the most complete QB in the division and if you didn’t catch last season made huge strides in his biggest deficency, turnovers. Any Cowboy’s fan that thinks he is just going to “break their hearts” is just plain dumb, he gives this team a better chance to win than anyone and has helped turn this team into perpetual contenders.
I am pretty sure the receiving corp McNabb was throwing to last year was pretty darn good, so I don’t want to hear the excuse that he doesn’t have anyone good to throw too.
Fun Game
Over/Under: 5 years Mike Shanahan is the head coach – UNDER. Whether it’s Danny or the team, or another job, Mike will be out of here in 5 or less years
Over/Under: 2 years Donovan McNabb is the starting quarterback- PUSH. Injury, age, and the incoming QB draft classes will over rule.
Over/Under: 85 catches for Devin Thomas- UNDER. A coaching and QB change wont change his work ethic
Over/Under: 1,000 yds receiving for Santana Moss- OVER. He’s going to have to pick up the slack for DT and MK. Now that Moss has a GOOD qb that connect on the deep ball with him, he might light it up.
Over/Under: 6 interceptions for DeAngelo Hall- PUSH. Hopefully 2 of them are for 6
Over/Under: 12.5 sacks for Brian Orakpo- UNDER. If Haynesworth isn’t on the Skins or unless we’re playing Jamarcus Russell every sunday, Orakpo’s #’s are going to take a big hit.
Over/Under: 8 wins for the Washington Redskins- OVER. 14-2 en route to a Superb Owl
Over on Shanny? SRSLY?
I assume you’re counting his son. I could argue for 3-4 years and then a handoff to his son as HC, but even if he’s successful I have a hard time seeing Shanny here past five. Dad Shanahan has some years on him!
My picks
5 years with Shanny: Under… Shanahan is here to win now and whether he does or not, he’s not going beyond the four years that Gibbs gave us. Snyder held onto Cerrato for 10 years and Schottenheimer for 1. Don’t go thinking that Snyder’s hiring and firing practices will ever give us a gague in the real, logical world.
2 years of McNabb starting: Push… If everything is right in the world, he’ll start for three years and maybe part of the fourth. But how much does his body really have left (especially considering how much abuse he’ll be taking)? Right now, I think there’s equal chance between two possibilities: in his first or second year, he’ll have to take off somewhere in the range of 6 consecutive games for injury, and will never fully return to form, giving him about 2 years as starter; OR we find a way to help him survive through this season, our blocking gets much better next season, and he gives us 4 years. Leaning towards the former.
85 catches for Thomas: Push… Sounds about right, as long as he doesn’t have a slow start again this year. I don’t think we’ll see him all of a sudden become one of the best in the league, but he should establish himself as a legit young receiver this year, ready to take over the #1 spot (even though I still think Kelly has the higher ceiling).
1000 yards for Moss: Under…He’s done it once (by a mere 44 yards in 2008) in the last 4 years and only 3 times in his career. 750-850 I think.
6 INTs for Hall… How could I not take the under here? The guy does not play well without motivation and we took away all of his motivation with that huge contract. We need to bring in serious competition for his starting job (can’t let dollars dictate playing time) if we want him to start playing with the intensity he had when we picked him up in 2008.
12.5 sacks for Orakpo… Push/under. I’d love to say over, but I need to see what kind of skill our 3-man line is going to bring. Seeing something similar to last year. Please don’t fizzle, Orakpo. Too many young pass rushers seem to do that these days.
8 wins… Under. Still too many holes to fill by the end of the offseason. We should be improved, but without a full offensive line or a legit running game, and with issues in the secondary and growing pains of scheme change, can’t see us climbing out of the hole of mediocrity we’re in right now… Not yet anyway. But I’ve been preparing for an unimpressive 2010 since about midway through 2009, so I can really only be pleasantly surprised.
Picks
Shanny – 5yrs if the team improves in years 1-3 yes. If come year 3, the team is not playoff bound. He’s gone. So push.
McNabb – Under. He didn’t stay healthy in Philly behind a much better O-Line. He doesn’t have a chance to stay healthy hear.
Thomas – Over
Moss – Under
Hall – Push
Orakpo – Push – need to see 3-4 D prior to making the call
8 wins – in 2011? Push. 2010 – not a chance with Rexy as the QB
Orakpo – Push –
“need to see 3-4 D prior to making the call.” This has been the most frequent comment on the prediction for Orakpo. I would predict more sacks than he had in 2009 since the 3-4 OLB is typically a pass rusher. Most of Orakpo sacks came as a 4-3 DE in the 2009 season. He will have more opportunities to pass rush as a 3-4 OLB than as a player that had the split of snaps between 4-3 DE and OLB. The top 5 sack leaders in the 2009 regular season: 1. Elvis Dumervil DEN 17.0, 2. Jared Allen MIN 14.5, 3. Dwight Freeney IND 13.5, 4. LaMarr Woodley PIT 13.5, and 5. Will Smith NO 13.0. On the other hand, it will be hard for Orakpo to have higher sack numbers than the more experienced players listed in the top 5. He was already elite in 2005.
6. Trent Cole PHI DE 12.5, 7. Andre Carter WAS DE 11.0, 7. Brian Orakpo WAS OLB 11.0, 7. DeMarcus Ware DAL OLB 11.0, 10. Julius Peppers CAR DE 10.5 , 11. Tully Banta-Cain NE OLB 10.0, 11. James Harrison PIT OLB 10.0, 11. Clay Matthews GB OLB 10.0, and 11. Aaron Schobel BUF DE 10.0.
by Jefferson1935 on Apr 17, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason I want to see the 3-4 in action before I make a hard prediction
is that I don’t know how much pressure we’ll be able to bring with a 3-man line. Who will be the starter in each position? What end will be playing right in front of Orakpo? I know how well he did last year. And I know that he had limited opportunities to rush the passer since he split time between DE and OLB. But first of all, he was rushing from the end position, in a three-point stance. Gotta see that his skills transfer to rushing from a standing position. Next, we have to make sure that our 3-man line can create the pressure that allowed Orakpo to get through linemen last year. I don’t see him having a huge dropoff, but if we don’t transition well to the 3-4, he’ll struggle getting in the backfield, even with more opportunities to do so than he had last year.
What strikes me about this post
is the fact that we had TWO players with as many sacks as Are and more than Peppers, Harrison etc. That is the most convincing argument I have seen so far as to why we should definitely keep Big Al.
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