The Elephant In The Room..

you like JC huh?

I actually agree with LJP….is it April fools day already?

I don’t remember a lot of Zorn apologist, I certainly never made excuses for him. At most the vast majority of people said to give him a chance and see if his system would work.
By mid Season it was obvious that Zorn was totally incompetent and Campbell showed amazing restraint by not venting his frustration to the media. I don’t think Campbell is or will ever be a great QB but I think he’ll be a good enough (to win a SB) QB so I’m all for keeping him.

I have to say I’m not cleaning up after the elephant!

Dan Snyder made a terrible mistake in hiring Zorn, who was and is totally incompetent to coach an NFL team. He’s far more to blame for the disastrous season than JC (and I never saw anybody defend him on HH). But I can’t blame him for taking the job – he probably thought he could do a good job. Everybody thinks they could be a good President, if only those voters would agree. My memory is that Jim always defended JC and was, in fact, his biggest defender, and just generally did not try to pass the blame to anybody else. He is a lousy coach, but a stand-up guy personally, who handled a terrible situation with grace and courage. JC has handled himself well, too. He’s a good, tough, stand-up guy, too. I don’t think he was treated as badly as you say. Trade rumors – so what? They did not trade him, and he always was the starter. As to the criticism, it’s strictly a matter of how one evaluates JC as a QB, and virtually everybody on HH rates him as about average as a QB – which may be why the discussion has died down – there is little disagreement. Everybody recognizes that he was often working behind a shaky line. So there is really nothing much to discuss on JC as a QB; just what, if anything, to do about him.

LJP, let me just start by saying that I am a bona fide JC lover and have been behind him for the past 3 years. Like other JC supporters, I am not trying to say he is the next Brees of Manning, but I think he is a QB that will be good, not average, if he is given a supporting cast.

I am not a Zorn hater though. I agree with Donnio that Zorn had a pretty tough 2 years in DC and took the criticism and failure like a man. I agree with LJP that he should not have taken the head coaching position to begin with, but once he was in it I think he did his best (though it was not enough) and it didn’t seem to me like he whined or complained or cast the blame elsewhere. He did seem to me (being a big JC fan) to be in JC’s corner, but I can see how his comments about “lack of execution” can be taken by LJP and some others to mean “our QB didn’t get the job done”, among other things.

As for the need for this post, I don’t feel like it is necessary. There was a time when I felt almost alone in my support and optimism in Jason Campbell, but I have not felt that way for a while, especially on HH. As Donnio said above, most people around here tend to agree that JC is an average to above average QB. I don’t hear more than maybe one or two people calling him horrible. That being said, the typical NFL fan does not want their team lead by an average QB if they think there is a chance it can be lead by a great/elite QB.

I think JC could lead a good Redskins team to the Superbowl. Others disagree. That’s not JC hate. Don’t get me wrong, JC hate does exist, but I just haven’t seen it around here lately.

Just keep up the love though LJP, cause one day the others will look back and say that we were right :) (hopefully!!)

I forgot to mention that we JC fans can not forget that (it seems pretty clear to me) Zorn, being a previous QBs coach, did in fact help JC improve his game quite a bit.

LJP – if JC is as good as you say (and not just average), and is so underpaid and unappreciated, why hasn’t anybody taken him yet? Isn’t he a bargain at $3.1+ mill? Wouldn’t a team with a #1 pick who wanted a QB grab him if they thought he was better than Bradford or Clausen? I know they have some time, and I don’t know what will happen, but if nobody grabs him it will say something about his worth. Tendering him at a first rounder, not a first and third, suggests the Skins would like somebody to take him, which would amount to trading JC for Bradford. JC’s acquirer would be getting him instead of (e.g.) Bradford, but probably for a lower salary (given big spending on top picks).

LJP – You think guys like Randel-El, Betts, Smoot and Griffin were locker room cancers? You live in a world of “good guys” and “bad guys” (decided by whether they agree or disagree with you). You don’t even relax when one of the “bad guys” (like me) somehow accidentally agrees with you. If you could read my post, you’d see that I concede that JC is an “average” QB (and an average NFL QB is pretty darn good). But that’s not good enough for you. You also didn’t bother answering Milcman’s point about market value – will anybody grab JC for a first round pick? If not, it will say something about how the league rates him. Of course, if somebody pays him a large amount – you’ll be proven right. By the way, Pittsburgh gave Randel-el a 3 year contract, not surprising because he was one of the most reliable receivers. He got dumped on because of a lackluster performance on punt returns.

If offered 3rd rounder or better I would say drop Campbell like a bad habit. Otherwise he will make a good backup fro whoever we draft in the first round. (and we BETTER draft a QB in the first round).

You MUST have a great QB to build a dynasty. Name one that didn’t have a notable QB.

I see I have to explain some things. Time to post again…