Redskins Draft Option: Colt McCoy a 'Sam Bradford Lite'?
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 31, 2010 9:49 AM EDT
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PrintSam Bradford won't be there at #1, and the more I look into Colt McCoy, the better I think he fits the Redskins for a signal caller. Why? The Redskins can use the #4 pick to fill the gaping hole at LT and then draft a great QB in the 2nd. History shows the first QBs are not always the best, and the Redskins are not in a situation to gamble this mightily. If they trade up and are wrong about Bradford, kiss the next 5 years good bye (no 1st pick 2011 pick). What makes a lot more sense is drafting Okung and then Colt. Look at the stats:
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Sam Bradford |
Colt McCoy |
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Height |
6'4 |
6'2 |
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Weight |
235 |
215 |
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Experience |
2 years (31 starts) |
4 years (54 starts) |
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Strengths |
Accuracy |
Accuracy on move |
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Weaknesses |
Durability |
Poor backside vision at times |
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Compl % |
68% |
71% |
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YPC |
14.4 (2008) |
10.6 (2009) |
Bradford's accuracy all over the field is what deservingly makes him the #1 pick. Both QBs have experience under center despite being in the spread offense, but my concern for Bradford is that he played behind a great offensive line: a luxury he won't have in DC for multiple years (so let's not go down that path again). It's much easier to evaluate a QB when you see how he handles pressure, and Colt has had that.
If Colt is on the board early in the second, what's not to like? He fits that mold of a Drew Brees type using mobility to see the field. Throwing on the run is a requirement in DC, not a nice to have. Here are some examples of "stud" QBs drafted early where the later picked proved more valuable:
2000 - Pennington (1st round), Brady (6th)
2001 - Vick (1st round), Brees (2nd)
2002 - David Carr (1st), David Garrard (4th)
2003 - Palmer (1st), Romo (undrafted)
2004 - Losman (1st), Schaub (3rd)
2005 - Alex Smith (early first), Rodgers (late first)
Okung and McCoy...a good 1-2 punch? Having a QB with some mobility will certainly come in handy the next couple years as the Redskins re-build their OLine from within.
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Slam dunk?
You should rephrase that. I’m not sure that McCoy is a “slam dunk,” but I am ok with drafting a Ob in the second so long as we address the OL in the first.
by TheOverLordMarshl on Mar 31, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions
true
there are a LOT of other players we could get, that would be starters in the 2nd. So I wouldn’t call him a slam dunk.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Yeah
I think its really important for us to hit on day-1 starters with our first two picks this year.
+100
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Mar 31, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Same issue as you guys.
I voted yes because I like McCoy, but noone is a slam dunk pick after the fifth pick.
Orakpo!!! Russel Okung next year!
Don't think I have forgotten about the N-WORD you used before--TheOverLordMarshl
You need to say you are sorry about using it,to all members of HH. You have Offended many people here at HH,IF you do not have anything important to say about Redskins stuff,then shut the hell up! Go ahead and bring the N-WORD up again?
by CHAOS-BRINGER on Mar 31, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd still prefer OL in rounds 1 and 2
But I could live with this. There is just something about McCoy…seems like a gamer. Whatever they do in round 2…we need OL in round 1.
by mamorgan1 on Mar 31, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
The only quarterback I’d like to see us take in the 2nd is McCoy, if available. If not, another offensive lineman or an inside linebacker, maybe a free safety.
Worth noting
That none of those QBs listed as ‘more valuable’ later picks started right after being drafted, so drafting McCoy should mean keeping Jason Campbell for at least one more year (unless they’re really confident in Rex – hard to believe).
Yes, I was assuming we sign Jason for at least 1 more year.
If we take a QB in round 1 or 2, and JC starts and improves significantly, then all we have accomplished is setting ourselves up for an Aaron Rodgers scenario, which isn’t the worst thing that could happen, but maybe not the best either.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
If you look at that list.
Having a rookie QB watch for a bit and get up to speed seems like a pretty smart idea.
I could take a non-OL in the 2nd
if we do a straight player trade for Gaithers. Then you get Gaithers + Okung/Bulaga (or your preference), then either another OL or something sweet in round 2 – QB if you must.
Funny you mention McCoy as being Bradford Lite. I had him pegged as Brennan Heavy.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
How do we get Gaither w/o trading a pick?
Lose at best the 2nd pick.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 31, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it could be done with straight player for player...
my bad, perhaps? If that’s the case, we still need 2 OL and see if anyone (QB) falls to round 4, but I don’t like a QB in this draft much at all anyway.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I don't know who we have that's as valuable as Gaither
a young, promising OT
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
He comes with major work ethic baggage
The Ravens have to be trying to trade him for a reason
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 31, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, b/c they already have a young LT who's going to want a lot of money.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
those lucky bastards
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Ozzie Newsome is one of the best GMs in the league
year in and year out.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Now I know what Dan Akroyd meant when he called Jane Curtin an ignorant slut
Look what you made me do Kevin…you made me be more over the top than OverLord Marshal in the comments section.
I know McCoy deserves respect for what he did in college and I even know that Mike Shanahan LOVES McCoy. But if we make the decision to not chase the big names and arms in the quarterback category for this draft, I say we follow the strategy at least through the 2nd round and bring in as many players as we can find to start at positions we need to fill ASAP, like OL, and even at RB. To me, I see the top of the second round as a perfect spot to either find a starting Right Tackle or a Running Back who can start making an impact right away in our backfield.
You just called Kevin an ignorant slut
that’s about Overlord Rite.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I would concur. Though next time Sugar, make sure you are more verbose in your insults. It is a necessity if you choose to cop my style.
by TheOverLordMarshl on Mar 31, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
You're style is safe...
Not sure this site can handle two Overlords…might be like crossing the streams in Ghostbuster.
"Chasing big names" - What does that even mean?
So that means the Redskins shouldn’t pick CJ Spiller then either if he’s around? Look, we all would love 2 OL drafted 1,2…but it’s not gonna happen. I’d love a RB too at #2…but until you offer some concrete, alternate picks here, your argument is as limp as your d!ck. Boom.
What RBs or OL that are not 1st round slated would you want to see over Colt w/ the 37th pick?
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 31, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea...he's a perfect fit for Shanahan's style of running. *sigh*
I love Toby, but Joe Gibbs isn’t the coach anymore.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 31, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I do think Toby could play in Shanny's offense
Shanny has found ways to use all different kinds of backs…Reuben Droughns, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, CP, Tatum Bell, Terrell Davis…there are definitely a few different body types and skill sets in that group…what makes you think Toby doesn’t belong in that list?
With you 100%...
but if we believe what we hear, he could be had later in the draft. I think he has a lot of NFL upside…
please
the future of this franchise is dependent upon Montario Hardesty, so he gets my vote.
Deji Karim also intrigues me now.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
What about Jahvid Best?
I don’t know a lot about him but Walter Football has Skins taking him 2nd round.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 31, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
for some reason
I thought he was going in the first
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
My only knock on Best is that he's a bit smaller than I'd like
Not saying he couldn’t be good, or that I wouldn’t get pumped about him if we drafted him, but with CP and LJ being up there in mileage, I like the idea of bringing in a rookie with a similar mindset that can adopt all the tricks and habits that are two veterans have developed over the years.
None of those guys you mentioned are 235 pounds
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 31, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Mike Anderson played at 230+
In fact, Mike Anderson (like Toby Gerhart) was thought to be nothing more than a fullback until Shanny decided otherwise. I think Toby has more upside as a runner than Anderson too…
Did you have fun googling every player to get their weight?
Anderson played at 230+ in his final years with BAL…not in DEN.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 31, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
To be clear...
Are you making the argument that Toby Gerhart could not be a successful running back for Mike Shanahan because of his weight? Even after the pile of highlights of him running over and past dudes last season?
I would take Spiller and maybe even best over Gerhart, but Toby can play son.
Clear as mud..
I was just saying based on all the Rbs Shanahan has used over his career, NONE have fit the mold of Toby. Does that mean Toby can’t fit or sucks? Of course not…I’m just saying Colt in Shanny’s offense will go a lot further than Toby will.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 31, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
toby, portis, LJ...u see the prob w/ that backfield?
We’ll have the best backfield in the NFL on 1st and goal from the 1.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 31, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Problem???
We were handing the ball off to guys LITERALLY off the street last year. In the trio you mention, we have two veterans seemingly hungry to stay relevant and a rookie with a ton of upside…I am struggling to see the problem there.
we have two veterans seemingly hungry to stay relevant
I’d love to know what you’re basing this on
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 31, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
My point was...
The Redskins still don’t have a RB w/ breakaway speed w/ your Vinny Cerrato mentality of drafting.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 31, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
there is not a running back in the league that is going anywhere until we get that line fixed. and i mean both tackle positions shored up. if you only address the LT and start your favorite stop gap player (hicks or heyer), then every team in the league knows we are running left and will stuff us.
fix the line folks. then i dont care who you pick
by les boulez bomber on Mar 31, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
How can he break away...
If he can’t get out of the backfield? Last I heard, baby Barry Sanders is still in High School….
Also worth noting...
We were probably the WORST in the NFL last year from 1st and goal from the 1!!!
and half-back passes
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 31, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
And QB tip-offs to the HB
Remember the Zorn-Campbell video when Zorn for some stupid reason tells Campbell over the mic to go pat CP on the ass while all the Rams linemen are standing there watching in the background? Was Zorn betting on Pro Football on the side? Sheesh.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
We may have to
we might not have Hunter the Punter this year. Unless, bringing in another punter is just a way of reinforcing the message to the team that everyone has to compete for their job.s
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Hunter is gone, he’s an unrestricted free agent I believe.
I haven’t heard anything on them offering him a deal, but I sure as hell want him back even with his injuries.
The guy we just signed has injury problems as well and is older.
I had forgotten how gone he was
Yeah, I’m concerned about the new guy too. Given H t P’s holding skills and excellent athleticism I don’t see how the new guy is an improvement even if they only paid him by half of what they gave HtP.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
And I'm too busy spell-checking your posts to read them
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 31, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I fix your typos tho
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 31, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with the feeling, though QBs naturally are big names / higher drafted.
Yeah, you can always go back and find the lucky ‘Brady’ gems in the 6th, but the majority of the top QBs were big names out of college, and taken in the top 3 rounds. Of the 12 QBs last year with a rating of above 90, only 3 were not in the first 3 rounds (Romo, Warner, Brady), and NONE of the top 7 QBs.
That said, for every big name who has starred, there are probably about 10 big names that ’Leaf’d out (ok, no one else could do that badly, but still – there weren’t true NFL material), and so I agree that when we have a couple capable QBs, our OL woes need to be fixed and depth provided with the first 2 picks.
Anybody
ever find out what happened to his arm? Did he have surgery or just rehab it?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I am sure....
I don’t value Romo over Palmer…Palmer is stud. Romo is a quality NFL QB, but Palmer is an elite guy. Sure he had an off year, but I am ready to give him last year as a comeback year fromhis injury. I expect huge things out of Palmer this season.
I know, I know...
Romo has elite #’s…but the only “it” factor Romo has is in the tabloids, while Palmer seems to really be the kind of player you build a franchise around.
I would put 1999(Couch over McNabb)
and personally I think Rivers is a way better QB than Manning even though Manning has the ring.
by BayAreaBullet on Apr 2, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
you nailed it!!!!!
I believe bradford is a great marketing distraction. GREAT MARKETING DISTRACTION!
The guy played beyond argubly the best OL and still managed to get hurt twice? Played in a spread offence . in 2008 ( the year year couldve been #1) he had 2- 1,000 yard HB, 2- 1,000 yard WR (one had 950), trent williams ( a top OL), and a DEFENSE that finished 7th in the nation in scoring defense and 8th in total defense.
Landry Jones (sam bradfords replacement) went 9-4 as a FRESHMEN!!!!
CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
261 449 3198 58.1 7.12 67 26 14 12 130.83
in short, sam bradford is the next matt leinhert. given the respected talent they had on offense
by back_to_the_future on Mar 31, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions
So Clausen should be a great pick then
Had no RBs rush over 700 yards in a season. Had a makeshift o-line. An embarrassing defense. And still put up great numbers in a pro-style offense.
Next Kurt Warner.
His OLine averaged 6'5 330 lbs or there abouts.
I believe it was the biggest in BCS division. Not sure about injuries, etc.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
But he had three different LTs and 3 different centers over his three years.
2 of those LTs will go undrafted, one is maybe a 4th round pick. They gave up a school record 58 sacks in 2007.
No real talent to speak of, especially when you compare to Bradfords line.
Thanks for the info
If you just listen to the TV announcers you’d think they were gods or something.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Bradford had like three new starters on his line
and I think a TE playing center this year
by check703301 on Mar 31, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like to see...
If Okung is taken (which is very possible) I would love to see us trade the 4th pick (I’m sure there are teams who would love to trade up and get a player like Berry). We then move down a few spots, still be able to pick a player like Bulaga, and add an extra later round pick or two (where you can always find serviceable linemen). Then, pick McCoy in the 2nd (as I believe he is going to be very good).
Here's a new Path to the Draft with McCoy
from nfl.com
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d817363d5/Draft-Journey-Preparing-to-be-a-pro
Looks like he has a great mindset, and understands the x’s and o’s (obviously).
The Redskinnettes Finals are in Bethesda tomorrow nite.
Saw some footage on CSN of the finalists…def need to make it to that event.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
KevinE, Why don't we just trade our 2nd rd pick for a sandwich. The one good thing about this, we would at least get something of some value for it.
It is amazing how some of you would get rid of Jason for any Qb that could “fog a mirror.” (ie breathing)
by LETJASONPASS on Mar 31, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If it's a roast beef sandwich I'm OK with that
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 31, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If we were really agressive
maybe we could trade him for one of the “pick 5’s” at Arby’s. Now that’s value
lol
Tim Tebow would be a good pick
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by Dont Let Them Pass on Mar 31, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Our 2nd rnd pick is more valuable than in years past
With the day off we have an opportunity to trade the 2nd and possibly pick up a 3rd and more. I think the comments prove that there are a lot of RBs available throughout the 2nd and 3rd. I don’t think Colt is going at the top of the 2nd. That leaves room to gamble and drop back in the round.
The football gods giveth (to the patriots), and the football gods taketh away (from the redskins)
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Thanks god the football gods taketh away Vinny
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 31, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Could they give him to the Patriots??
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by matthiasstephan on Mar 31, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the football gods
were the ones that gave us Vinny.
It’s the only thing that could explain that kind of evil…
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
We should have a Karma stockpile the size of Everest.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I think it's even
Since we do after all have an owner with a dark soul… ;)
McCoy
Has similar accuracy as Bradford, and personally I think accuracy trumps arm strength every day of the week. This article on the Phinsider indicates number of college starts and completion percentage and for the most part I think provides an accurate portrayal (forget that this was from 2007 and their target was Brady Quinn).
Gotta throw in experience too
Colt has one more year with those type stats. Damn the 6’1 1/4.
Before reading this post
I posted a thing in a similar vein on Fanposts
The beauty of the McCoy option is that if you beleive as i do that he is possibly as good as Bradford, you dont have to mortgage your future to get him, in fact, I really beleive that with the new draft schedule we will be able to trade down from pick 37 for two later 2nd rounders and still get him, and have another 2nd round pick to fill a need (Mt Cody for example)
I am all for the McCoy option, all for it
The other beauty of it is, if some other team does snap him up before we pick in Rd 2, we still have Campbell anyway
Pommylee
I saw both 6"1 and 6"2...one of the NFL scout sites had 6'2 so I went with it
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
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