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2009 & 2010 Pro Bowl Rosters Validate Why Redskins Should Draft Russell Okung

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"Tell me something I don't already know?"

Redskins fans know first hand what a top 5 pick on a Tackle can produce...Chris Samuels. At this point, there isn't much more to say. The Redskins desperately need OL help, and the fact the RT and LT are both wide open, I don't think any amount of selling Shanahan and Bruce do that they are drafting a QB will convince me they are. Here are some stats that validate taking Russell (full Pro Bowl roster tables with pick numbers after the jump):

2010 Pro Bowl - Offensive Line Rosters:

- Of the 15 OL, 9 were first round picks. 5 of those were selected in first seven picks.
- 5 of the 7 Tackles were 1st round picks (3 being top 4 picks)
- 5 of the 11 QBs (incl reserves and alternates) were 1st round picks

2009 Pro Bowl - Offensive Line Rosters:

-  Of the 16 OL, ten were 1st round picks
-  6 of the 8 Tackles were 1st round picks.
-  4 of the 7 QBs were 1st round picks

See a trend here? DRAFT OL. 

Last year there were only a handful of OL drafted in the 1st: Jason Smith (Rams - #2), Andre Smith (Bengals - #6), Eugene Monroe (Jags - #8), and Michael Oher (Ravens - #23).  

Andre Smith had red flags, so it's hard to compare that fat blob to the physical size and health of Okung. Jason Smith had concussion issues missing 5 games, so that's a little fluky. He'll need more time before making an evaluation.  Michael Oher, who many people on this site wanted the Redskins to take last year (assuming Orakpo would be gone), played extremely well.

Looking at the charts, it's the first round picks for OL that dominate the pro bowls. This isn't the case as much for other positions. Can I ink the Redskins in for Okung already? (The one little hiccup is that the Lions GM has already mentioned he's confident he can trade out of his spot).

Star-divide

It would certainly make more sense to have new OL coach Chris Samuels have someone to groom, eh?

2009 Pro Bowl Roster

 Round Pick #  Starter
Tackles>>>
Jason Peters  UFA
Michael Roos 2 41
Flozell Adams 2 38
Joe Thomas 1 3
Jake Long 1 1 Reserve
Jordan Gross 1 8
Walter Jones 1 6
Chris Samuels 1 3 Reserve
Jammal Brown 1 13 Reserve
Guards>>>
Steve Hutchinson  1 17
Chris Snee  2 34
Leonard Davis  1 2 Reserve
Davin Joseph 1 23 Reserve
Kris Dielman  UFA
Alan Faneca 1 26
Brian Waters  UFA Reserve
2010 Pro Bowl Roster

   
Tackles>>>
Ryan Clady 1 12
Jake Long 1 1
Joe Thomas 1 3 Reserve
D'Brickashaw Ferguson 1 4 Alternate
Jason Peters UFA
Bryant McKinnie  1 7
Jon Stinchcomb 2 37 Reserve
David Diehl  5 160 Alternate
Guards>>>
Kris Dielman  UFA Reserve
Alan Faneca  1 26
Logan Mankins  1 32
Steve Hutchinson 1 17
Leonard Davis  1 2 Reserve
Chris Snee 2 34 Alternate
Jahri Evans 4 108

 

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I still ove Suh

but I would be happy with Okung. Hell, I don’t even care if he flops. Just to hear a Dan Snyder owned team announced with an O-lineman in the first round would give me plenty of reasons to be happy.

Uh, ok. Perhaps I stretched the truth a bit. I DO care if he flops. But you effers get my point.

by CJHutch on Mar 24, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

The bust stats say it all

We simply can’t afford not to take Okung if he is on the board. He may well set us up at LT for the next 8 years and maybe even more. When you look at how many 1st round QB busts there are compared to first round tackles you see how crazy all this talk of injury prone flavors of the month is. Like it or not the Colts did not know that Peyton Manning was going to be Peyton Manning when they picked him and Tom Brady certainly would not have gone in round 6 if people knew he was going to be Tom Brady.

The way I figure it we can’t afford a QB this year unless it is with our 5th or 7th round picks. We need at least one offensive tackle and at least one guard and there is an argument for two tackles. Next needs to be some linebacker help and quite possibly a new RB. All of those needs are way more pressing than QB so the only way I think it makes any kind of sense is if it is one of our later picks and the Shanahans think they see a diamond in the rough.

Not to mention I have no bones about the fact that I’m a JC fan. The fact that we have a guy who has statistically improved every year despite a weaker and weaker supporting cast and a more and more insane management structure says it all. Even for people who disagree with that, though, you can’t disagree with the more pressing needs and enormous risk we take using the 1st rounder on any of the touted QBs. Every time you think about the Colts you have to also think about the Raiders.

by SkinsOsTerps on Mar 24, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Amen, Reverand!!

[signed] The Choir :)

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Mar 24, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

me 2

even though I think Campbell will never be a great QB, I think he’ll be good enough. Meanwhile we need 2 OTs and an OG this year plus another OG and a C in the next few years. A decade of neglect isn’t fixed in a single year. Meanwhile we signed how many FA OL?

by aFan4Life on Mar 25, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

SkinsO, I agree with your LT stance.

The LT should be one that can start as a rookie. You said, “We need at least one offensive tackle and at least one guard and there is an argument for two tackles.” I would say without reservation, if the Skins don’t get a free agent starter at RT or LT in free agency, that the second OL should also be a tackle. The Team is more than adequate at LG and C. The Rinehart and M. William and/or Hicks should be sufficient to get through the 2010 season at RG. Levi Jones could possibly be the fix at RT if he could return to his 2007 level of play. Whatever, the team needs some quality backup offensive linemen and they may have a few. Paul Fanaika (G) and Kory Lichtensteiger (G) are listed on the roster as guards. Lichtensteiger has played for Shanny at Denver (played in 16 games in 2008 – http://www.nfl.com/players/korylichtensteiger/profile?id=LIC311468) and Fanaika is untested in the pros. Artis Hicks (G), if not the starter, has experience at all OL positions except C and is a proven backup (Started 58 and played in 94 games – http://www.nfl.com/players/artishicks/profile?id=HIC346959).

On the other hand, the Skins don’t have a RT that is more than a backup – Heyer is not the answer.

by Jefferson1935 on Mar 24, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not much of a Heyer fan either

though I don’t mind him as a backup. If we take tackles with both our 1st and 2nd round picks you will not hear any complaining from me.

by SkinsOsTerps on Mar 24, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL…I hope he is there at #4.

by les boulez bomber on Mar 24, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Also note

The high number of NFC East division rival players on the pro bowl o-line unit. We can’t compete against them and they seem to have at least this one thing in common.

by mdm1185 on Mar 24, 2010 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Sadly, i think it is going to go….
1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. Suh

by brettpedigo on Mar 24, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then were are fracking screwed.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Mar 24, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more

That is the most likley scenario barring any trades.

by skinsymets on Mar 24, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone have a bit of color

on how shanahan has done historically drafting o-line?
how many are pro bowlers?

what were the ensuing records for their pro bowl years, of those HE drafted.

by MLHOYA on Mar 24, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Def worth it's own post...check back later this week.

Will research it out.

"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato

by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 24, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that JC hasnt asked to be traded would let me know that the Shanahan’s see something in him. I believe they have told him to just go about his buisness, do and say all the right things. He knows there is no rookie coming for his job at least not this year, although as we’ve been lead to believe (or as it has been reported), he will need to beat out the rookie drafted and Grossman in an open competition. (Colt Brennan blows goat balls. Trade him for a few consession stand workers.) There is no way the Redskins can do anything other than address the OL. I wholeheartedly agree with Kevin. This shit about a drafting Qb 4th overall is smoke and mirrors. I futher find it baffling that anyone with an IQ over 70 could honestly believe any of the smoke the new F.O. is blowing out of their asses. I understand why it is necessary, I cant find myself entertaining it as factual. But yet again the stupidity and insolence of my fanhood bretheren never cease to astonish me; forcing me to become emboldened and more direct with insults thrown at them. For anyone to honestly think we will draft anything other than OL 4th overall or be involved in a trade down, I beg you to sell yourself into the Somali slave trade, yet your retardedness may only fetch a meager bounty, I emplore you fucking idiots to do it nonetheless.

by TheOverLordMarshl on Mar 24, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice

Just wish there was some way we could drag an opinion out of you. Maybe next time? :)

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Mar 24, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was the demand for self admitance into the slave trade not enough for you? I’ll try harder next time.

by TheOverLordMarshl on Mar 24, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was all good. LOL

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Mar 25, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

You make a good point

however the Redskins track record speaks for itself.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Mar 24, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colt Brennan blows goat balls. Trade him for a few consession stand workers

I don’t think there are many teams that would do that trade. Concessions are where a lot of the money is made.

by hsoup on Mar 24, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

except we are switching to the 3-4 and that didnt seem to smart

by les boulez bomber on Mar 24, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm confused

I am not saying Okung is a bad pick but really, the argument is being made on Pro Bowl (aka the game that shouldn’t be played) appearances as reasoning to take a guy high?

Didn’t the Cowboy’s have the most Pro-bowlers on their team last year? How’s that work out. I could care less if players make the Pro-bowl as long as the team is productive and challenging for the playoffs.

by jamesumd on Mar 24, 2010 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

uh….they won the division and i think lost to the super bowl champs in the playoffs. i will take that!

by les boulez bomber on Mar 24, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playoffs and Pro-bowl

Typically go hand-in-hand. You seem to be implying that we can make the playoffs without O-line pro-bowlers. Not likely.

by Kurtstack on Mar 25, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

we have new coaches across the board, new systems and a really tough schedule so i dont think there is anything we are likely to do to make the playoffs next year.

but yes, i absolutely believe with a stud LT and good RG and RT, a decent free safety and outside lb, joe gibbs would make the playoffs with the current roster running two tightend sets playing smash mouth football with jason campbell playing a traditional drop back QB. this team has way more talent than the one he took to the playoffs.

now given those same additions mike shanahan converting the defense from 4-3 to 3-4 without all the right personnel and running a west coast offense with either a rookie QB or JC … you are right, i think playoffs are a pipe dream.

and this is not based on joe gibbs. it is about putting in place the system that maps best to the skills of the players on hand. we change coaches and systems so much we never have all the players we need to run the system that is in fashion with the narrow minded coaches we have had in the past. though i think shanahan will do a better job doing that then zorn did.

by les boulez bomber on Mar 25, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strongly disagree.
this team has way more talent than the one he took to the playoffs.

This is virtually the same team Gibbs had, except 3 years older. Gibbs had a good veteran OL. We now have a non existent OL. Portis still had burst back then. The addition of Devin & Fred Davis don’t make up for the stark decline due to age.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Mar 26, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry.

What I am getting at is more, how many of the teams year in, year out have high round draft picks on the offensive line. It seems to be a more reasonable argument.

Pro-Bowl = Individual Achievement (in my opinion)
Playoff = Team Achievement

by jamesumd on Mar 24, 2010 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

i think that winning teams have more than their share of pro bowlers. london fletcher is a perfect example. he has more tackles than any linebacker over the past 10 years and never makes it on the first ballot??? come on! how is that possible if there is no bias because he is a leader too and as clean as they come.

by les boulez bomber on Mar 25, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meant to say

What I am getting at is more, how many of the teams year in, year out have high round draft picks on the offensive line THAT ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS

by jamesumd on Mar 24, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

well, you have to qualify that.

The Giants and the Eagles rarely pick in the top 10. So they’re not going to have many players at any position like that.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Mar 24, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, so let's flip that then.......

Rather than qualify where they drafted their offensive lineman, where did the Eagles and Giant’s draft their franchise Quarterbacks……..

both in the top 5.

Yes, the argument can be made that they can only draft (barring trades) lineman where their pick is, and generally those have been between let’s say 17-32 (I doubt I am too far off on this). If anything, I would use this more as an argument to draft a QB or hope for a trade down from #4 than it means draft Okung at #4.

by jamesumd on Mar 24, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

if eli manning were there at #4 or donovan mcnabb- take him. we will have clausen and tebow…nyet..though maybe tebow in round 2!

by les boulez bomber on Mar 24, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

A bust at LT isn't a complete bust

What you’re also missing is that when a lineman busts at LT, he often can and is moved to RT or inside to guard. They usually have fairly decent careers. A bust at QB is a complete bust. There is no moving him and there is no moving on. It affects the org for years.

by RPMontana on Mar 24, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice observation

and IMO correct. No QB this year!

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Mar 25, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am not totally disagreeing

I understand that yes, you may find utility in a LT that can’t play left tackle and conceptually can be moved to Guard or RT, but really what examples of this happening regularly do you have and what level of production are you getting (does the utility match the pay).

Robert Gallery and then who? Tony Mandarich, after coming back after 2-3 year layoff?

I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree that a QB busting hurts a franchise more than a LT, RB, S, etc. etc.

If that logic is used then you never get a franchise QB because you will always let the fear of potential failure outweigh the potential benefits of success. Mitigating risk by making calculated decisions, I can understand. “Attempting” to eliminate risk by not ever taking chances however, just doesn’t compute to me.

It’s kind of like our defense last year; we didn’t attack offenses and let them dictate the game. Sure, on paper we looked like a good defense but we didn’t create the plays that would change games in our favor. I think, “if” the mindtrust feels Clausen (if Bradford’s gone) is a franchise QB, the risk/reward is worth the gamble.

by jamesumd on Mar 24, 2010 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I think drafting a QB before an OL is in place is doomed to fail.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Mar 24, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

"and what level of production are you getting (does the utility match the pay)."

Couldn’t that argument be used against QB’s? What QB taken in the top 10 justifies their rookie contract? I can think of 2 recent OT’s(Joe Thomas, Jake Long) who justified their rookie contract but not a single top 10 QB.

Guys like Leonard Davis or Gallery still make an impact for their teams. Guys like Akili Smith, Joey Harrington don’t. I think he has a valid point. There are way more top 10 picks at QB who aren’t contributing down the road then top 10 tackles.

I also think you have a point about not ever taking chances is a very good one. If Bradford or Clausen put stars in Shanny’s eyes that can outweigh the inherent risks.

by BayAreaBullet on Mar 24, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Fact Is

It doesn’t matter who you draft at QB, as their play is a direct reflection of the production of the O-line. You could bring Joe Montana in here in his prime and he would be doomed to fail with one of the worst offensive lines in football. I’m all for 2010 draft Offensive Line, 2011 draft QB Jake Locker.

Look at the successful teams in the league. They all built their offensive lines 1st, then brought in the franchise QB. It just doesn’t work the other way around.

by Kurtstack on Mar 25, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't quote it as fact

But I swaer I remember both San Diego and Indianapolis doing an almost complete overhaul of their lines after drafting Manning and Rivers. I’ll try to look for it.

I do think the offensive line is vital. I guess in the spirit of debate, what I am trying to get at, is franchise quarterbacks for the most part come from the fist round). Quality Offensive lineman can more often come from later in the first round and in the later rounds.

Given we have the #4 pick, I think it benefits us [i know really the Redskin’s braintrust] to do our due diligence on the quarterbacks in this draft, and if they feel one has the potential to be a franchise guy, take him in the first, and then focus on offensive line in the rounds thereafter.

by jamesumd on Mar 25, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you look at the cost of a top 4 QB pick

vs his potential to bust and compare the cost of a top 4 LT pick and his potential to bust, the safe bet in on LT, especially when you have a proven commodity in Jason.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Mar 25, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

James

I sorta agree with you that I think most franchise QB’s come from the first 45 picks or so. I think you can get alot of quality O-lineman in later rounds but not Elite LT’s. I have heard Matt Williamson(Scouts Inc.) state that you pretty much have to use a top 40 pick to get an elite LT. I’m not gonna run the numbers right now but just off the top of my head the best LT’s in in the League(Ryan Clady, Jordan Gross, Jake Long, Joe Thomas, Ferguson) all were fairly high first rounders. I would think if you did a comparison of Elite QB’s and Elite LT’s you would find more QB’s come from outside of the First than LT’s. Wish I had more time to do an indepth analysis.
 
I agree we should always do our due diligence on QB’s every draft year and if Shanny is in love with Bradford or Clausen then sure. I don’t think there should be any artificial impetus to take a QB just because we have the #4 pick though. The numbers just don’t back up any of that artificial stuff whether it be cost-effectiveness or “the only way to get a franchise QB” argument.

by BayAreaBullet on Mar 25, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know Sebastian Vollmer is the exception rather

than the rule. New England got a steal in the 2009 draft with him.

by Jefferson1935 on Mar 25, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah and McNeal from SD was a second I believe

Gaither was kind of a special case cuz who knows where he would have been drafted if he didn’t get forced into the supplemental. Like I said I haven’t run the numbers(mostly due to inability to define a top-10 LT) but it certainly seems at first glance that there is as much if not more impetus to use a high pick on a LT than QB. I totally agree with James though that you can get quality G’s, C’s, and RT’s in later rounds.

by BayAreaBullet on Mar 25, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

we are not debating taking a chance on a potential qb. we are debating using the fourth pick in the draft on a qb when we already have a top 15 qb on the roster and NO starting LT or RT. that is a big difference and the context is important.

by les boulez bomber on Mar 25, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

and quite frankly, this organization has not drafted a stud quarterback since sammy baugh…and they probably got him for his kicking and coverage skills- of they even drafted him! it was 80 years ago!!! so if you are not good at it. and you have other very pressing needs and limited resources. and we have proven we can identify a top 3 LT, it’s stupid to to do anything else. and i am pretty confident a LT will be drafted by us in the first round. ii hope okung is still available!

by les boulez bomber on Mar 25, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

NICELY put LBB
we are not debating taking a chance on a potential qb. we are debating using the fourth pick in the draft on a qb when we already have a top 15 qb on the roster and NO starting LT or RT

Why more people can’t see this is beyond me.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Mar 27, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I cant believe no one has brought up this name...

Heath Schuler.
Yes, he is still in DC but not as a QB. DC will always have turmoil at the QB position, its just who we are. Therefore, its not a good idea to draft a QB this high because we will eventually want him gone. Heath Schuler’s welcome wore out very quickly.

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Mar 24, 2010 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

a message to shanahan..

look at what jacoby grimm lachey bostic did for the skins and anthony munoz for the bengals and johnathan ogden and tony boselli did for there teams. enough said draft okung .

by lohaus#54 on Mar 24, 2010 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

hopefully Shanahan logs on today

You could have just singled postedly changed the future of this franchise. We salute you lohaus

by DoWork on Mar 25, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks dowork and go skins ..

by lohaus#54 on Mar 25, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okung

Drafting a top tier OL who will be a productive if not pro-bowl starter for 8-10 years makes sense. In fact, drafting an O-lineman early in the draft is about as close to a lock as you can get, and if there is an OT worthy of top 4 pick, and your team’s biggest need is at LT, it’s the logical choice.

However, convincing me that the Redskins will use sense and logic in the draft is something you’ll have trouble convincing me of. Although, there is a chance now that we have a new GM… I’ll take the wait and see approach. If Clausen is the pick, I will be on hear attacking the new regime to no end.

by Kurtstack on Mar 25, 2010 8:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I love Orakpo and am glad we have him BUT
Michael Oher, who many people on this site wanted the Redskins to take last year (assuming Orakpo would be gone), played extremely well.

The correct decision last year was to draft Oher, now I know everyone will be up in arms at this comment, and I say again, I love having B-Rak on this team, but the sensible choice last year was Oher, we needed a tackle and just imagine if we had Oher at RT and Okung at LT to start the season this year, do you think we would be a little more confident heading in that we are currently

Again I love B-Rak, he is probably my favourite Skins player… but sometimes you have to take the less sexy pick and last year was a prime example

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Mar 26, 2010 2:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Tough for me to complain when we hit on a first round DE

Which has been pretty tough to do the last couple years. After years of trading picks we had multiple holes. We really needed both IMO.

by BayAreaBullet on Mar 26, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Completely agree.

Oher was the right pick. He was a great prospect at our biggest area of need.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Mar 26, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Worse than that was

 the second and third round picks in 2008. Any one of Chilo Rachal (39th), Mike Pollak (59th), and Jeremy Zuttah (83rd) could have been chosen instead of any one of the 4 Skins selected. The time for crying was then.

by Jefferson1935 on Mar 26, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hindsight is perfect,

but does anyone think we would be drafting at #4 if we had gotten Oher? We might have been just good enough on the line to have one a few games and kept Zorn’s job…[shudder]. I’m just saying that in the long run it was important that we had the total meltdown/implosion last year so we could clean house totally.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Mar 27, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Getting that Vinny infection cleared up >>>>>> 8-8, or even a Wildcard and a one-and-done in the playoffs.

Call me a bad fan if you want, but I think last year was a big win.

Serious business.

by ThaRak on Mar 27, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It has proven to be way harder to draft a first round pass rusher than a first round LT

We needed both and I’m not gonna care which order if we hit on both. If we get Okung this year and end up with Orakpo-Okung I’ll be happy enough.

by BayAreaBullet on Mar 28, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

so thats proof of my contention, no?
but does anyone think we would be drafting at #4 if we had gotten Oher?

i get what your saying and in the long run you are probably right, but remember how awful sundays were last year.

Dont get me wrong I am stoked we have Orakpo, I am just making a point about discipline in List Management

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Mar 28, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have Oher and a later pick this year.
but does anyone think we would be drafting at #4 if we had gotten Oher?

Having the 4th pick isn’t all that important, in fact in terms of cost effectiveness, its very expensive.

Also, we’d be one player closer to having a rebuilt offensive line, and we’d have a good prospect at the most important position on the line.

We could have cleaned house whether we were picking 4th this year, or 16th.

Hindsight is perfect,

Many of us said before, during and after the draft that we should have taken Oher. So it’s not hindsight in this case.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Mar 30, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

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