2010 NFL Draft Could Alter Redskins Draft Plans
by Tiller56 on Mar 14, 2010 10:27 AM EDT
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Here is my first post combine 2010 NFL Mock Draft. The Rams hold the key to where the Redskins could be leaning at the 4th pick. The Lions are the wild card now, as they could pull a surprise by selecting Okung over Suh or McCoy. I still expect there could be a trade, or 2 or 3 before or during the draft, so the landscape could be significantly altered, but if it stands as it is now, this is an early projection of how I could see the first round playing out.
Rams - S. Bradford QB-Olkahoma
Lions - N. Suh DT-Nebraska
Bucs - G. McCoy DT-Nebraska
Skins - R. Okung OT-Ok. St.
Chiefs - E. Berry FS-Tenn.
Seahawks - A. Davis OT-Rutgers
Browns - D. Bryant WR-Ok St.
Raiders - D Morgan DE-Ga Tech
Bills - Jimmy Clausen QB-ND
Jags - J. Haden CB-Florida
Broncos - K Wilson CB-Boise St.
Dolphins - D Williams DT-Tenn.
49ers - B. Bulaga OT-Iowa
Seahawks - C.J. Spiller RB-Clemson
Giants - R. McClain LB-Alabama
Titans - J. Paul DE-S. Florida
49ers - E. Thomas S-Texas
Steelers - T. Williams OT-Oklahoma
Falcons - E. Griffin DE-USC
Texans - P. Robinson CB-Fl. St.
Bengals - J. Greshman TE-Oklahoma
Patriots - B. Graham DE-Michigan
Packers - B. Campbell OT-Maryland
Eagles - T. Mays S-USC
Ravens - S. Kindel LB/DE-Texas
Cardinals - J. Hughes LB/DE-TCU
Cowboys - M. Iupati OL-Idaho
Chargers - R. Matthews RB-Fresno St.
Jets - J. Odrick DT/DE-Penn St.
Vikings - B. Price DT-UCLA
Colts - M. Pouncy C/G-Florida
Saints - S. Witherspoon LB-Missouri
Here are some 2nd round options:
Charles Brown OT USC
Roger Saffold OT Indiana
Vlad Ducasse OT/OG Mass.
Jahvid Best RB Cal
Jonathan Dwyer RB Ga Tech
Darryl Washington LB TCU
Navarro Bowman LB PSU
Colt McCoy QB Texas
Brian Price DT UCLA
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Good Mock
I do think it is too early to do a good mock, because, like you said, I think there could be a few trades soon. Rodgers, Moss, Carter, possibly JC, Landry/Horton/Doughty, all possibilities. I think we could make some big moves and snag a few 2nd and 3rds before the draft, and really alter the draft plan. Very interesting to wait and see.
that mock draft
would make me happy if its a reality. Okung should be our top target.
Wrench in the wheel....
Rams and Lions very well could alter the order even Tampa who might think drafting Berry is not the answer at #3 Just thinking of the possibilities. Okung could be drafted 2, 3 or 4 but am hopeful he is there when we pick at #4.
tampa is drafting one of the two stud DT
by les boulez bomber on Mar 14, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i think the lions are favored to draft okung since they already signed a pretty significant contract with a starting defensive tackle- we are the wild card now since both DT will be available, clausen and another decent LT :-)
by les boulez bomber on Mar 14, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions
The lions said
they will not alter their draft plans because of who they recently signed in FA, but I think that is all posturing on their part.
Colts would take Charles brown over Pouncey for sure. Also not so sure about the Seahawks taking a RB.
I think they do take OT but probably with there second pick, and take B with the first.
Co-Leader of the annual 7 round live mock draft at MtD
I had them taking Pouncy
because of the recent loss of Lilja, and the age of Saturday. Pouncy can play all 3 interior line positions.
I belive your mock is the ideal situation for us
But what happens if Bradford of 1st and Okung goes 2nd? We got 5 options:
a) Draft one of the DTs
b) Draft Berry
c) Draft Clausen
d) Reach for a Tackle
e) Trade back
If this is the scenario, I think we should look at this order of decisions if we were to go into the draft today.
e. b. a. d. c.
by Nobetterthenbob on Mar 14, 2010 4:17 PM EDT reply actions
I agree with your options, I am not sure where the Shans are on the QB conundrum.
If it was me, I would go: e-a-b-c-d
I love the talent that is there at DT
But if we switch to a 3-4 I think we would be wasting our 3rd we used for Jarmon last year. McCoy or Suh would be a better fit at the DE spot in the 3-4 and we already have some able bodies that can fill that position.
Berry on the other hand, is a beast all over the field. He can improve the secondary play and get us some much needed turnovers. I think the D-line can wait, as our secondary is a bigger need for our defense.
by Nobetterthenbob on Mar 14, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Tiller I see your approach
e. being the need choice to get an additional pick which would still net a 1st rd LT(also the least likely to happen).
a. the BPA choice.
d. a more limited need choice since LT is a greater need than any other position IMO.
c. Campbell should get another shot with a better OL and running game to keep the defenses honest. A later rd QB or a free agent QB if Campbell gets traded.
by Jefferson1935 on Mar 14, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
regarding,
b- i hope they know not to draft a free safety #4. i am sure they do. i dont care if he is the second coming of JC- lol
c and d- clausen is the reach. though i did read that okung would be considered the #5 best LT coming out last year. i find it hard to believe and i dont know. but i hope that is not true!
by les boulez bomber on Mar 14, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that prior to the combine, Okung had some questioning his true ability.
His measurements, the strength he showed, and the effort that he obviously put in erased many doubts about him. He is a legitimate stud Left Tackle prospect, and has to be the top tackle on everyone’s board. Unfortunately, I think the Lions were one team that did have questions about him, and he answered.
gotcha…he sure sounded like he would be better than the 5th best pick
by les boulez bomber on Mar 14, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice mock Tiller, very well thought out.
I will respectfully offer my synopsis. Can’t argue with the top 5. A.Davis and D.Bryant are falling, Davis is dropping like a stone. I don’t see Claussen sliding past both Seattle and Cleveland, Cleveland also needs major defensive help. The Broncos may look playmaker, especially when they lose Marshall. The Jets also may go offensive playmaker, but Oldrick works to.
Overall, an excellent job, you’ve pretty much nailed every team’s want list. You are hired, now submit your mock for prize or job consideration.
Projecting into the 2nd round, I think the Lions or Chiefs get Brown, possibly also Saffold.
With Okung in the bag, the Skins have multiple options here; I think they go defensive 3-4 help, but could possibly go running back.
They could go: Carlos Dunlop as a 3-4 DE, Price is more of a 4-3 DT.
They may also go: Brandon Spikes or Daryll Washington as multipurpose Linebackers.
I would also go: Nate Allen as FS.
For running back, I would go Gerhart.
Under your scenario I would go in order: Dunlop, Washington, Spikes, Allen, then Gerhart.
True but...
we just signed Kemoeatu to a 2 year deal and if he is our starter, we already have players who can come and give him some plays off. It would either give less reps to Cody or make Kemoeatu’s contract dead weight.
by Nobetterthenbob on Mar 14, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
and who do you all having play RT for us? i dont see any way around drafting two tackles in the first two rounds considering what we have on the roster. hence, i think we trade some players for picks so we can get some of the other players you mentioned.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 14, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Les
The entire line re-building can’t possibly happen in 1 year. Like many have said, this is a 2-draft rebuilding process here. We can’ simply ignore other areas of concern. We have to fit pieces together where we can.
i agree it can not be done in one year through the draft with five picks. i will even add if they trade players for picks, then those additional picks will go towards filling other positional needs. but i will point out that the stands were half empty last year and no line. and if they do not fix the line for this season, the stands will be half empty and daniel snyder will have a bigger problem. i think you have either more money or patience than the average fan! this year, we do have a first and second rounder and they should go towards a LT and RT that can solidify the positions for the next 5-15 years. the line will still be weak in the middle if they did that.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 15, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes I agree, but there is serious questions about Kemoeatu's....
ability to play this year. Also as it appears certain the team is going 3-4, then a long-term stud NT is essential. There are a few other nose tackles available in the later rounds, but none like Cody.
Completely agree
I’d just be higher on the pick if we didn’t just go out to get a FA for the position, especially when we have other areas of need and their a prominent picks for the position.
by Nobetterthenbob on Mar 14, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
and i dont agree with it but i would not be surprised to see us get suh or cody if we trade for more picks
by les boulez bomber on Mar 14, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Do what?
Trade for quinn or trade for a FB? I like Hillis and all but both decisions would be dumb for this team.
by Nobetterthenbob on Mar 14, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Jared Gaither
I keep seeing this rumor getting popped up but apparently Skins are offering a second rounder for him. Honestly that would be amazing along with trading a bunch of “not so necessary guys” on our roster to get more picks.
This is something people need to understand. The Skins are not going to be good until maybe three seasons down the road. By that time some of these players we have are gonna be too old such Moss and Carter and Cooley. So imho we should trade these guys now to get the best value and pick up younger guys to renew this franchise.
We had a good discussion about the Gaither trade possibility last night
There are a few that think there will be some major moves by the redskins before the draft. Names that could come into play are Campbell, Rogers, McIntosh, Carter, Portis, Moss and Cooley. Some feel very strongly that at least 2 of thes guys wont be Redskins come June 1st.
Carter
from everything i am reading from these news outlets its looking more and more like carter is going to be traded.
i dont think Rogers will be gone b/c shanahan wants him here, but who knows.
also i think cooley is all but gone. the signs are all there.
by word2bigbird on Mar 14, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
carter and cooley are both good trade candidates. and moss too if anyone wants him. i am not sure what people really would give up for him at this point. i would be happy with a third rounder but fear 4th or later is his current market value. unfortunately, cincinnati already filled their holes.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 14, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want to see Rogers of Cooley go.
I really don’t want to McIntosh go either, but I guess the 3-4 could use more of a thumper inside. Micha Johnson could be a good draft traget in the later rounds. I liken him to Jasper Brinkley who’s at Minn.
this is a great point and one i agree with completely. also, i think they really want to head into the draft with one of the tackle positions filled. it would give us a lot more flexibility. trade someone for a 2nd and trading that 2nd for gaither is something i think they would like to do and a good move if he is any good. hopefully, he can play right tackle because there is nothing that settles a line like locking up both tackle spots for the next 8-10 years. and we can use #4 on the LT
by les boulez bomber on Mar 14, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
yea.
we can give up the 2nd for gaither. trade down our first for a first and a second. maybe two seconds. and pick up a RT and/or G in the later round
by word2bigbird on Mar 14, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i do think that is more inline with what they are thinking and a good move. they created a lot more needs by switching defenses so they have to trade some people to get the picks to fill those needs. i dont buy any everyone understands they will take a couple years to rebuild line. i think if they go into the season with a glaring hole and it is obvious they cant win more than 5 games, then people will not show up again this year. and then he has a big problem because after two years, some people will look for something else to do on sundays.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 14, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
All the more reason to have signed some quality Free Agents.
The team should have filled a few holes through FA long-term. There is just way too many holes on the team now to fill through the draft.
again
your thinking short term. I like the fact that they are thinking long term. I would rather commit to building through the draft and live with being mediocre this season, than buy a bunch of overpriced guys just to get some short term, and probably limited, success.
Well, I am not quite sure how signing a stud for 5-6 years is short term.
Especially when it is a position of need, and extra especially when it is highly unlikely to get anyone in the draft near as talented. Fletcher. Carter, are done next year, IMO, and with the linebacker position a major component of the 3-4, the team has only Orakpo. The team desperately needs a quality FS, possibly another CB and 2 linebackers. Not to mention all the offensive holes, none of which have been filled.
A mediocre season this year is a given, but heck, I see a 3-4 year rebuild here before we are even competitve. I count 15 positions that need to be replaced in the next 3 years, how is the draft alone going to do that?
this was not a normal FA year. i think more importantly, people stopped coming to games this year. and i would be surprised if season ticket sales are tracking. i think many underestimate the impact of losing the fan base last year. snyder was happy to spend when he could raise prices and people came to pay for his mistakes. those years are gone. and he is not as willing to spend. we will be well below the cap this year. thus, there are a lot of moving parts, and i am not surprised one bit to see this happening. i think we will trade players for more draft picks, lower the payroll even more and give it some time to see how things develop. when he has more certainty on HIS bottom line, he will be more willing to spend if he is in the black sufficiently or very close to winning it all.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 14, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, with you, I think money is now a key issue going forward.
I do think that Snyder has taken a big hit. And I totally understand not getting Dansby or Rolle, they were highly sought after and were overpaid. It was smart not to get into a bidding war. But I am getting a strong feeling that the team will be blown-up over a period of 2-3 years, and patched together with spare parts. I would love to build the team through the draft, but you can only expect 3 starters a year that way. This year looks like a trial period to guage what the young guys got. And then next year the true rebuilding will start. I am revising my predictions for success to 4-5 years.
Sure
but you can only expect 3 starters a year that way
But, in my opinion, the BIGGEST problem with this team has not been the starters. Unfortunately, the “top 22” are really all Snyder has paid attention to since he’s been here, beginning with the infamous 200 free agent class. You could easily argue that many of those years our “top 22” have been among the best in the league. The problem is, you need 53 men to complete a roster, and the “bottom 31” should be pretty good as well. OK, I understand that there are gonna be 8-10 guys who don’t add anything to the equation under normal cicumstances, but you need quality depth to compete in this league. Snyder has never understood that, and neither did Cerrato. That’s why we cut our 4th-7th round draft picks most of the time. The “old regime” felt that if you weren’t good enough to start, you shouldn’t be on the team. So they wanted to stack the team with free agents, even if they saw little playing time. This is what bloats the payroll, because you have to pay veterans who don’t contribute, rather than paying a rookie a lot less for the same production. (see Renaldo Wynn vs. Antonio Dixon)
Anyway, I guess I rambled on a bit. My main point is, now that are changing the way we do things, I would much rather see us take our time to get it right.
Oh yeah, one more thing
Have you ever thought of the possibility that Shanahan and Allen were looking at free agency this year as a “test case”? In other words, they know all about Snyder’s past. And they both know that they will not succeed long term if he reverts to it. So maybe they purposely didn’t go after these guys (Dansby, Peppers, Rolle) to find out how Snyder would react. Or, just maybe, to rehabilitate him. Maybe they figured going cold turkey this year would make things better going forward, when they need it more.
maybe but i think it is more likely that they both have a lot of players to evaluate and there are clearly major weaknesses and they cant do it all the way they want in such a short period of time. nor have they even seen any of them practice much less see which ones fit the system. so what you suggest may play a part but i think it is more likely they make an effort to sign/draft (LT) the ones they really need or will use and try to keep/acquire others on the cheap so they remain flexible until they have a better idea what they have/need. the first year is a pass so i think the main focus is on changing the culture/discipline/teaching their systems- stuff like that. plus the schedule is pretty brutal so they wont win much any ways!
by les boulez bomber on Mar 15, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont think snyder pushed them too hard at all- if at all- to sign big name free agents after nearly a full season of half filled stands
by les boulez bomber on Mar 15, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I don't think
he pushed them at all. I’m quite sure that him staying out of it was one of the stipulations for Shanny coming here.
As for their “evaluation period”, I think that lasts more than this year. Which is fine. I think the way to do it is build through the draft, fill roster holes with what’s left after the draft. Do that for a few years until you have a good YOUNG team. THEN you strike out in free agency for that “last remaining piece” to the puzzle. Putting high priced free agents on a team with this many question marks is just a waste of money, not to mention years off their career. That’s like winning a car at a blind auction, then buying a new stereo system for it before you even see how (or IF) it runs.
I don't know, I don't know what to think.
I was hoping the roster would have been upgraded a little bit at this point. I agree, we have to wait and see. I know the team is a mess, and it took years to get this way. So, waiting for a de-leveraging period is to be expected.
Johnny
I don’t really think there were too many long-term options in FA. Certainly none worth investing huge money in. Most in my opinion are fill-ins or stop-gaps.
IMO, they think they already have RT filled.
I honestly don’t expect them to use more than 1 drat pick on an offensive lineman. They will sign some undrafted guys and pick up released guys. A LT pick is all I realistically see as the team has so many other question marks.
johnny
I was doing some more scouting on Ducasse today, and I’m starting to really like him in the 2nd. You were right about his ability to play LT. FWIW, it’s hard to find descent film on him though.
I agree, he goes early in the 2nd.
I like him to, problem is, I also like Saffold. Decisions..decisions.
I wasn't as impressed with Saffold
I saw him play live many times in the big 10. He was abused by Graham, and Gibson.
For some reason, they said he just "got it" late last year.
And really took off as the season was ending, then caught fire at the Shrine game and carried it thru the combine. Being abused is def not good, but some guys are late bloomers.
with who? we simply do not have a franchise RT. and a lot of teams put their best pass rusher on the right side because teams leave it as a hole.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 14, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You cannot get a franchise player at every position.
You can get 3 or 4 franchise type players for offense, but not every position. The other positions will have to be filled with young rising guys and stop-gap players.
Heyer, Jones, Oldenburg, Robinson, and undrafted free agents will have to battle it out for that spot.
ok maybe franchise is the wrong word. of course you can not have a franchise player at every position. my point is that we do not currently have a RT on the roster worth starting. and we need one. we are already weak in the middle with the GCG combo we are fielding- therein lies the compromise. you cant have just one really good lineman and the rest average or worse. you cant control the line of scrimmage so 3rd and 1 doesnt move the chains. and you can not keep your qb off his back. those two things are half the game so yeah, i think it is imp. i am pretty confident that our starting RT is not on the roster yet.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 15, 2010 1:10 AM EDT reply actions
Les
I don’t think we are that weak in the middle. Rabach is a good C, and Dock is a solid LG. We have a lot of candidates at RG including Williams, Reinhardt, and Hicks. I am one that still believes that Heyer can be a good RT. I do believe there should be competition there though. I believe one OT is needed in the draft. Maybe the 4th or 5th on another linemen project. That leaves us with 3 other draft picks to concentrate on other areas of need like RB, LB, QB and Secondary.
and i think not addressing RT better is a major strategic mistake. if you are strong on the left, ok in the middle, and weak on the right then everyone will overload the right side and we have the same problem as last year (though not as bad), and everyone knows you are running left when you run- imho. and i think we have a tough schedule this year. at a minimum, you want to anchor the ends. RB, LB, QB and secondary are not as glaring of a hole or can be helped out easier than ignoring a whole side of the line. you already know that the RG is not that good. what do you expect to do- leave a TE out there every play and send two receivers out? you still have a huge disadvantage when running the ball.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 15, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I have yet to see Heyer demonstrate
that he is an adequate pass protection blocker. That amounts to nearly 50% of the typical NFL team with a balanced attack.
by Jefferson1935 on Mar 15, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldnt mind getting Colt McCoy with the second round pick if we do land Okung in the first. I am a fan of JC and I do think that he will be successful in Shanahan offense, so getting a QB in the second round does not guarentee he will be the starter ASAP or at all. If JC gets us to the playoffs sign him to an extension and develop Colt McCoy as the back up for another year or two then see what you can get for him. If JC doesnt get the job done next year, part ways with him and try McCoy, Brennan sucks to me and I wish the people that are in love with him get over his college stats and stats against guys who didnt make the roster in the preseason two seasons ago. He was terrible against 2nd and 3rd stringers last preseason and if Chase Daniels were 2 or 3 inches taller, Brennan would have been cut.
McCoy has too many question marks regarding his arm strength.
Not a good fit for the type of offense the Shanny’s will run.
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