Who Wants A Colt, When We Can Have A Stallion ?
by LETJASONPASS on Mar 13, 2010 4:32 PM EST
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I am just a little confused. By the way this is something that very seldom happens to LJP. Maybe I am wrong, but have we not came to the conclusion that a QB is not a primary need for "OUR" team? So why should we even entertain the idea of drafting another "Colt" instead of a "Stallion" with our very valuable 2nd rd pick? In my very so humble opinion, our Colt B is similar to Colt M talent level wise. I will say that our Colt B. had much better numbers in college then Colt M. So why in the world would we waste this pick when we have more pressing needs?
By the way the "Stallion" that I am talking about drafting is J. Dwyer from Ga. Tech 5-11 229 lbs. This guy is a one cut and go back, that explodes through the hole. He breaks arm tackles with ease. We all know that CP is on borrowed time and Larry J is on his last leg. This is not to say that one, or the other will not have a good year. Lets look towards the future and draft a RB that can be a primary RB back.
By the way, Terrence Cody will still be around to draft at Nose guard. I know we just signed Kemo, but it is a possibility that he might not be ready for the season. He is a very big guy, and with his injury who knows if it will heal properly in time to play this year? If we do not have a space eater at nose guard our new defense (3-4) will be in trouble. Based on Haynesworths comments he does not want to play nose guard in the (3-4) defense. Drafting T. Cody would make more sense then drafting another "Colt."
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Mine was other
as you obviously know I advocate take Bradforsd in the 1st. So in the 2nd I would go OT. Brown, Washington or Safford would fit the bill nicely, with Brown being my first choice.
Saffold, and Ducasse are my 2nd round choices for tackle.
If both Brown and Matthews are gone, and there is no trade-down. If there was a trade, then Veldheer for Tackle or Gerhart/McCluster for running back in the mid-late 2nd.
Yes, because of inexperience.
He has the necessary skill-set to be an elite LT, but not this year. A RT this year, he could move to LT next year.
by johnnydee83 on Mar 13, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
He came from Haiti as a teenager, and had no knowledge of football.
Comes from a small school, football wise, and needs to be coached up. Between him and Saffold, I would draft Saffold now as he is ready to go LT, but Ducasse and Veldheer have high ceilings.
Ducasse also has an excellent work ethic, and is easily coachable,
Didn't washington make a significant jump after the combine?
Maybe I’m off a little with a second rd on him, but I thought he was a riser.
LJP, I thought you wanted a "playmaker"
Dwyer isn’t really in that catagory. His combine numbers were less than stellar. Spiller and Best are playmakers, Dwyer is a workhorse.
Tiller, I do not think CJ Spller will be around, and Best worries me with the concusions.
Dwyer can be a starting RB for us in the future.
by LETJASONPASS on Mar 13, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Tiller, Best is a gamble with all of the concusions he had last year.
by LETJASONPASS on Mar 14, 2010 3:32 AM EST up reply actions
You don't like taking risks?
Minny took a risk with all of Adrian Peterson’s knee problems. That turned out well for them…
How bout Ryan Mathews?
Will he be there at the #36 pick? He seems pretty impressive from what I have seen!
Most Likely
If San Diego doesn’t take him, he should be there. But I dont know if Mike is going to take a running back that high when he isn’t explosive like Clinton was.
Orakpo!!! Russel Okung next year!
by Horcasitas4 on Mar 15, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Dwyer hurt himself badly at the combine.
And goes late 2nd-3rd round. He is not very fast, relatively speaking, and has weight issues. Ryan Matthews in the 2nd would be awesome.
I would take Gerhart over Dwyer definately; bigger, stronger, faster, better blocker, but not with the 37th pick.
Yeah
I love Matthews in the second if we go OT in the first. Johnny, where do you see McCluster going now after a pretty weak combine?
Top 50, late 2nd, he has his pro-day coming up.
He all but guarantees he will be 4.4, which will raise him up.
His combine doesn’t kill him because he aced the drills.
Many NFL people were saying they were amazed at his quickness, and his ability to change direction at full speed.
by johnnydee83 on Mar 13, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
late second, early third maybe. His versatility as a slot back is pretty impressive. I bet Shanahan would love using him in schemes.
Whomever the Redskins Draft
I’m growing more and more comfortable with Shanahan and Allen’s direction. If they choose a QB in the 1st round or no QB at all I’ll be satisfied.
I through out a name of a QB who would be available in the 2nd round vs the 1st round.
The Redskins greatest need is on the line, after that all other needs are secondary including a play maker, linebacker, QB, safety, WR or any other position. I believe the Redskins have all of those on the roster now which are NFL caliber players, but ALL can be upgraded but with only 5 picks it can’t ALL be upgraded this year.
That would be a point of view, my opinion unlike the garbage thrown out in this post which is gibberish comparing Colt B to Colt M, in that case bring back Daniels he was better than Colt last year…
dr Quack, Gibberish is thinking we need a QB before we need a safety. Maybe you missed it but our free safety play was horrible.
By the way smart guy I have said many times that Chase is better then Colt. I just don’t think that either Colt’s are worth it. Dan L is a better prospect and you can get him cheaper.
by LETJASONPASS on Mar 13, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
And Colt M will start at some point in his NFL career
Daniels will never be more than a backup and Colt B may make it to backup if he decides to play football.
Dan L is a good prospect I’d be comfortable with the Redskins drafting him too.
The people that have seen Colt around town,
say that he’s not serious about playing football. He could be working out and strengthening his game, but instead, he’s out at bars partying. IF that’s the case, you almost have to pick up a QB at some point to compete for the back up position or push the starter. I can see them picking up a QB and seriously making Brennan compete in the preseason. Then MAYBE, if he can build his stock, make him trade bait. But we’ll see how it all pans out.
April is not that far away.
Cody and Dwyer are two players I like a lot
Assuming we address O-Line in the 1st round, I like the idea of either in the 2nd round. I’m still thinking we might address the D-Line via a trade for Carter, so I voted Dwyer, who is a great player if he can keep his weight down.
Big, I like the trade for Carter Idea. I just hope Kemo can recover and become our space eater on the line. I think we will will darft a Rb with our 2nd rd pick. The main question is who that back will be.
by LETJASONPASS on Mar 14, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
If Kemo is healthy
We are in some good shape. I really like the idea of Dwyer, but I have a feeling Best is probably gonna be looked at more because Portis is a balanced back, Johnson is a power back, to really complete what would be a three-headed monster (not sure that is really a good term…) we would need a speed back. I think I’d prefer Dwyer because the guy is a beast, but I predict Best. Carter isn’t gonna transition well, but a guy like Chris Wilson who has already had a year will probably end up being the other OLB, and might do very well, but for us to complete a monster d-line, we need another big DE, and I think we can get a decent one from Carter.
by BigOLinemen on Mar 14, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
toss up between colt m and jahvid best
personaly i think if they do not use colt brennan i say draft colt mccoy instead but i have watched jahvid best play at cal last year and i will say one thing about that kid he is another adrian peterson that kid can run i have seen some running backs in my time and i think he would fit in great with the redskins but by signing johnson i kinda doubt they will go after him so i think they should go after colt .
I want John Riggins 2.0, aka
Toby Gerhart.
OK, admittedly, I’ve never seen the guy play. But I’ve read in 2 or 3 places that he is the next Riggo. Yes, I realize that it mostly has to do with his skin color, but I’m OK with that. Now, what’ll be fun is exploring the flip side of the coin on the Man in Black and LJPP’s “Elephant in the room” argument, which is, can a WHITE guy be successful at runningback in the NFL.
Now you've gone ahead and done it.
Gerhart will be viewed as a fullback or Mike Alstott type back for his career unless and until he is a multi-year 1,000 yard rusher. He doesn’t have moves per se, he is a bull runner. He can excel in a Shanny system as he is a 1 cut runner, but he won’t avoid tacklers and relies on yards after contact. Personally I wouldn’t take him at 37 as there will be other options, mostly defensive stand-outs. He should be a productive back in the league.
I really like
what he does in the open field. He can drastically change direction in one cut, which is where a lot of his success came. In the back field with Portis, LJ and Alridge we have 3 back that can get yards after the first hit and a speed back that can go the distance when given space. I believe this is the kind of back field we need to succeed in an NFC east with great offenses like the eagles and the cowboys. Ball control will win us games.
by Nobetterthenbob on Mar 14, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
with Portis, LJ and Alridge we have 3 back that can get yards after the first hit and a speed back that can go the distance when given space.
Portis takes too many shoestring tackles, and Alridge? Yeah, he’ll break away – but will he still have the ball in his hands when he does it.
I'm just saying it's a good mix of Rbs
I also believe that Portis will have a better season if he takes less carries. It’s still a question mark on how he will rebound but I think he will do well if he sticks with shannahan’s system. LJ still has enough in the tank for at the least this season. Alridge does have ball security issues but if he can fix that, he is a back with amazing speed.
If we spread the ball around i believe that we’ll have a lot of success, as long as the blockers up front get a decent push off the line.
by Nobetterthenbob on Mar 14, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
that's a LOT of ifs
and sure, they could all come true. But I’d still like to see us find our running back “of the future”. It’s been way too long since we drafted a running back. Especially a starter.
That's why I want Toby
I think he has a great skill set and will be a great back in the NFL. if we can keep his early season low in carries he’ll be able to survive in the league longer and set us up to find another back to compliment him.
by Nobetterthenbob on Mar 14, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
If, there's that word again, we can somehow finagle another.......
2nd round pick, Gerhart would be a perfect feature back. At some point though, they need to get a 3rd down change-of-pace back. Right now, the team has none.
Ifs are the issue right now
We don’t know how Alridge’s security skills will be going into the season, but we do know that Shannahan has a great skill of getting good numbers with low round picks. If Alridge isn’t the answer for the change of pace, we’ll probably look in the 7th round or an undrafted rookie for help.
by Nobetterthenbob on Mar 14, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, probably
though I was hoping more along the lines of the 5th or 6th round.
maybe I’m alone here, but I’m kind of tired of having to depend on undrafted guys. Sure, it’s nice to uncover one or two that will help, but we have grown WAY too dependent on free agent rookies these last few years. Of course, that was with the old regime, so maybe the ne wone will find us the next Joe Jacoby.
I'm much more confident in a Shannahan undrafted selection than a Vinny selection
by Nobetterthenbob on Mar 15, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
The good thing about all those Undrafted good players like Horton
is it shows we do actually have good scouts
The problem was Vinny assigned the resources (draft picks) to the wrong areas (positions), So our scouts for example noticed Horton, yet Vinny decided to draft A PUNTER in the 6th round, and it was only through luck that Horton was still there in the seventh, where basically as an afterthought throwaway pick, VInny picked him. Horton is in fact the biggest indictement on Cerrato as GM due to this fact.
Now with our scouts giving assesments to Shanahallen who actually have competence building a program, maybe we will start seeing quality picks 1 thru 7
Pommylee
I agree completely
although, to tell you the truth, I would be happy with just HAVING
picks 1 thru 7
Oh, Jarmon is DEFINITELY
worth the 3rd round pick. I hope they include him when doing the “draft grades” this year. I just meant in general, it’d be nice to have our full complement of picks regularly.
Vinnys gone now dude :)
as long as we dont do something crazy like trade up to One to take Bradford then we should have all our draft picks moving forward
but I feel your pain
Pommylee
johnny, If he could learn to avoid contact sometimes, he would have a longer shelf life.
by LETJASONPASS on Mar 14, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
True but
We have LJ for 3 years along with portis. Two guys who excel at yards after the first hit. Not only will he be limiting his carries in the beginning, but he can learn behind these guys.
by Nobetterthenbob on Mar 14, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think his averages will go back up
as long as a) we have a line that can run block and b) his carries go down. He might not have as many YPG but i think with help in the back field people will respect him a little more.
by Nobetterthenbob on Mar 14, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think
we’ll have either one of these guys for 3 years. Personally, I’m still holding out hope that Portis is given the pink slip. But, even if he isn’t, no chance Shanny keeps two 30+ year old RB’s on the roster for 3 years. Hell, if he doesn’t produce, LJ will be gone this year.
CJ, Ask the Carolina Panthers they at one time had 3-4 at least that they played. Now that is a little weird in the NFL, to have a predominately white RB group.
by LETJASONPASS on Mar 14, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember
Hoover killing us one game. I never figured out what color Goings was.
Anyway, I guess my point was more along the lines of a feature, or even star, runningback.
They showed a Bunch of Pac10 games in Australia this past season
so I saw a lot of Gerhardt.
One thing you must realise about his is that (in the games I saw anyway) Stanfords O-LIne was ridiculously dominant, sort of Like McKinght at USC, these guys were running through holes you could LITERALLY drive a car through, and I am not exagerating their at all
Still could be a good player, just saying I would take their guards as well as him
Pommylee
It is interesting that the Stanford linemen don't rate that well.
overall draft prospect 212, position rank 13, Jim Dray, TE, Stanford, 6-5, 247, rd6, 40yd 4.84, Scouts Inc Grade 30
220, 20, Chris Marinelli, OT/OG, Stanford, 6-7, 300, 6-7, 5.23, Scouts Inc Grade 30
Plus Stanford did not have a passing game. Toby did a lot of it on his own. The bowl game was against one of the best defensive teams.
by Jefferson1935 on Mar 14, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm no expert
and I could not grade O-Linemen to save my life, all I am saying is that in the games I watched Stanfords O-Line and USC’s O-Line was dominant, but in a couple of them games they were blowouts so probably against weak teams. It’ll be interesting to see if any teams do take a late round flyer on them, because with Pete Caroll and John Harbaugh they have had NFL style coaching, so they should be able to handle to Pro Game technically, just depends if they are the physical specimens neccesary for the NFL,. also for all I know these guys may have been Juniors or Sophomores so they may not even be coming out, But I noticed that McKnight especially ran left ALOT, in the gap between Tackle and Guard, so the USC, left Guard may be a good player
Pommylee
LJP what RB would you prefer? You have basically advocated for 3 different RB's to be drafted now.
And if this post is a response to mine then you misunderstood it a bit. I wasn’t advocating that we get Colt McCoy. I was more on the line of wondering why he is not considered a first round draft pick when his numbers were pretty much just as good as Bradfords and Clausens.
A Hogs Heaven article on QBs
Greg Trippiedi’s 2010-nfl-draft-quarterback-rankings
http://redskinshogheaven.com/2010-articles/february/hog-heaven-2010-nfl-draft-quarterback-rankings.html
http://redskinshogheaven.com/table/2010-articles/february/
I tried to get the following link working in another thread:
http://redskinshogheaven.com/2010-articles/march/evaluation-the-redskins-3-4-defense-a-first-look.html
http://redskinshogheaven.com/table/2010-articles/march/
2010 Archives – http://redskinshogheaven.com/table/2010-articles/
by Jefferson1935 on Mar 14, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Brandon, Since CJ Spiller is out of the question. I would pick Dwyer as our RB of the future. I like J Best but he had to many concusions for my taste. I would like T. Gerhart if we did not have L.J. now. but not in the 2nd rd.
I know we don’t need receivers but if we could get Golden Tate with our 2nd rd pick I would get him. Then I would work a deal to get Santana out of town. I would love to get G. Tate before any of the RB’s that I mentioned. The only problem is it looks like he will be gone a few picks before us.
I hope this gives you a better idea of what I am thinking. Thanks for asking though. Sometimes I will not repost in full detail what I am thinking. i guess this might make it appear like I am advocating more the 1 Rb at a time.
by LETJASONPASS on Mar 15, 2010 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions
OT or OG
and only pick up a NT or RB if there are no OL worth a 2nd round pick. Given the depth in this years draft I think it’s unlikely that there won’t be a OL worth taking.
Saying Colt McCoy and Colt Brennan have similar talent levels is wrong.
Colt McCoy is a more accurate passer with a quicker, and more NFL friendly, release. He also has stronger Arm Strength and is coming into the NFL with a higher potential ceiling. Not to mention he is a winner, something Brennan showed he wasn’t during bowl games. Brennan stats and his proclaimed accuracy are flawed because of the system and conference he played in at Hawaii.
I would want the Skins to take Charles Brown over Dwyer and Cody. Dwyer is good, but not worth the 37th pick. The choices are Nate Allen, Charles Brown, Maukice Pouncy Ryan Matthews, a DT/DE, Kyle Wilson or Kareem Jackson.
Orakpo!!! Russel Okung next year!
C.McCoy is a better QB than C.Brennan their is no comparision.McCoy has way better stats and experience
We should at least give C.Brennan 1 more yr. to prove he belongs here,after all we gave Campbell how many years,and what has he done for us yet?does he have any 4th quarter comebacks ,no I dont think so.
ghost, have you looked at the stats? Maybe you should take a look again.
by LETJASONPASS on Mar 16, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't have as many as he should.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=CampJa00
Although I do think these numbers will improve drastically if we get an O-line infront of him. It all starts with Russel Okung.
Orakpo!!! Russel Okung next year!
Dude stop being such a Campbell hater
He wasn’t even mentioned in the post. Did you really need to take a shot at him? Come on now lol
Im going with Mt Cody...
With him and Haynesworth on the line OMG… It would take all five men on the line to slow them down… OMG it would be a LB’s dream,..
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