I’m not part of the problem at all, and if you read correctly, I’m not pulling any “race card”. What’s funny is, you’re acting as if I’m the first person to ever say this.

C’mon man. Don’t come off naive.

No worries over the language. It’s all good.

I love Campbell and his upside but we cannot put him in the same sentence as Favre, or either Mannings because he hasn’t won anything yet. Those guys get some leeway because they have rings. Since you clearly can’t remember, Eli was going to be benched early in the year they won the SB but the team turned it around and won. Oh and I’m pretty sure Favre was traded from the team he spent years with so he obviously wasn’t as untouchable as you think. I’m afraid your argument has no legs. And Doug Williams is loved around here, more than the umpteen “white” quarterbacks that have been here since him.

And Eli was an inconsistent QB THEN, as he is now. You can’t be serious. Soug Williams is loved, but how much did that love translate the next season???

So my “argument” has no legs? I guess it doesn’t when “I” say it, huh? But let Daryl Jackson or Michael Irving, or any other former NFL player mention, and I guess they make no sense either.

It’s there. It’s always going to be there. All I’m saying is, stop pretending as if it’s not a factor when you HEAR the same things said about them repeatedly.

But i think with Jason its more or less the fact that we havent had a consistently good qb since theismann and thats a long ass time ago, so our fanbase is just quick to wanna axe the qb and move on to the next one. Im a black man and ill be the first to call a spade a spade if the situation calls for it but i dont really see that playin out with Jason. He just hasnt been as succesfull as people would like and thats why we hear about ppl wanting to bench him and trade him and shit. He has been set up for failure right along with every other Redskin due to ownerships inability to have a cohesive coaching regime over the last decade.

i just dont see it in this particular instance…not to say that it may not be true to some degree behind closed doors. i still think thats its more or less unrealistic expectations for a guy that has not had the chance to throw the damn football in a proven succesful offensive scheme. That bullshit offensive scheme that Zorn and Gibbs were runnin is a setup for failure. Qbs are always the scapegoat in the league and u get 2-3 yrs to become succesfull or ppl try to run u outta town. Fans have to realize that until we get an o-line that protect him, recievers that can run proper routes, and a proven offensive scheme, we cant effectively evaluate Jasons ability nor any other quarterbacks ability for that matter…

the Chargers drafted Philip Rivers because they thought Drew Brees couldn’t do it. The fans were in the same boat then as we are now. And come think of it, all this happened amazingly despite the fact that Brees is white. No racism there just like there is none here.

It is the best way I can explain a QB situation, the media loves controversy especially at the QB position (Billy Kilmer and Sonny Jurgenson in the 70`s, Phil Simms and Jeff Hostetler in the late 80`s and early 90`s. It goes on but you can win a Super Bowl without hall of fame credentials (Jim Plunket, Jim McMann, Doug Williams, Mark Rypen. Put the best man on the field and if you have the right pieces in place the coach is a genious and then the media have another story. Just like lawyers running to the hospital after a car accident just to get the case and win lots of dough.

Are some of the people hard on Campbell, McNabb, etc, doing so because Campbell land McNabb are black? Oh, yes – anyone saying otherwise hasn’t spent much time on internet chat boards or listening to Rush Limbaugh. Sophisticated racists use code words like “dumb” or “vacant” but it’s pretty easy to tell. So I hear you on that.

But I honestly don’t think that it’s really true in most cases. Look, it’s an old adage in football that no one is as popular as the backup QB – especially when the starting QB has a penchant for an ill-timed interception. Fans were calling for Delhomme’s benching in Carolina long before the team did it. And Campbell’s performance in fourth quarters, while not at the Jake D. level, have left him open to legitimate criticism. And your other examples are also pretty easily rebutted. I hated Mike Vick as a QB before he was convicted, because I viewed him as a coach-killer. I didn’t know that he wasn’t doing his homework, but I knew his passes weren’t accurate. I loved watching Steve McNair play. If you think that Warren Moon is the only aging QB to discover that a town can turn on you, I give you Joe Thiesman – he went to two Super Bowls, won one, and was NFL MVP in 1983, and yet by 1985 fans were clamoring for Schroeder long before LT ended JT’s career. You’re frustrated about about Vince Young? He was pretty mediocre and got beat out by Kerry Collins. It happens – even if the QB is white, and the young turk may never get his job back until the old bull retires (I’m looking at YOU, Matt Leinart and Kurt Warner). To Young’s credit he used that time on the bench to be a better player. Even in the 80’s most Redskins fans I knew, black or white, were rooting for Doug Williams over Jay Schoeder, and JS was coming off a 4,000 yard season in 1986.

Bottom line, EVERYONE has cognitive dissonance, and I am aware that if I am convinced I will find something I will make the data fit my preconceptions. There are studies that show that when a person is confronted with empirical data that contradicts a deeply held belief, people will tend to jettison the data before the belief (I’m looking at YOU, “young Earth” creationists). For this reason, I tend to laugh at people who dismiss race as a factor in the NFL or in the broader society … but I also tend to question those who see racism in every situation involving people of different ancestries. The world rarely operates in strict clarity.

And for the record, I’m a Campbell backer – I thought that he played at a high level last year. HTTR!

There are no elephants in the room. It’s inappropriate and very divisive to try to gin up an argument about racism in connection with the Redskins. The NFL and the Skins are something like 60-70% black guys, aren’t they? What (white) racist would fall in love with a basically “Black” team? I suggest that you are using the race card to try to intimidate critics of JC, trying to use affirmative action/racial preferences/quotas, diversity, etc to win a football argument. Why do that? What does anyone gain? Shanahan is certainly not going to pick his QB on the basis of race. He’d play a Martian if the thing was a good passer. As for JC, I think the press has been very favorable to him, and on HH, criticism has been very gentle and moderate – all about skill, performance, etc – especially compared to the rather nasty and dismissive stuff written about guys like Colt Brennan, Jimmy Clausen, Derek Andersen (is he white?) and other white QBs. Again, why bring up alleged racism? Hardly anybody cares about race except you, and nobody wants to argue about it.

Sam Bradford is Native American….

Totally agree – well said.

who does YOUR math??? We’re not speaking on our granchildren’s children. And since Moon, tell me one black QB that hasn’t at one point in his career had to answer the black QB race issue?

Please, stop acting like it’s not an issue. May not be the sole issue, but it’s an issue.

“The greatest lie the devil ever told was convincing the world that he doesn’t exist…”

Don’t assume, dude. Just ask me. And again, you’re getting this whole thing wrong by making it all about Campbell. Go back up and read the second stanza again.

This is about the difference between what is percieved of the black QB. This is about the struggles that they all face and the things that they ALL answer for playing that position. It’s about the same things “assumed” of them before they get on the field. And it’s about the short leash that they have on them and the media propoganda that’s spread to “convince” you that he’s this or that.

Someone mentioned how Sam Bradford is Native American. To which I replied, "yes, and that makes my point more than disputes it. If race weren’t an issue TODAY, then why was Bradford asked to comment on his ethnicity and the possiblity of playing for the “Redskins”?
Think about it. I’m not just speaking out of the side of my neck here. I’m not some looney at the corner store with a bullhorn yelling “racist”. Everything that I have said has weight, whether you disagree with it or not. I respect your opinion though.
Thanks for commenting.

Why is it so important or surprising or bad that many black QBs were asked to comment about race? The question could bring things into the open, and pretty much kill any issue right there. The point of the “elephant in the room” is (I think) that this huge thing is there, but nobody says anything. Once it’s noticed and discussed, it probably won’t be there. Incidentally, your post might be helpful because it brings the issue into the open. I earlier suggested that it was not good to discuss it, but I may have been wrong on that. Not sure.

I came all late. J.Cash does have a point though. Black players in general have more on their plate when they enter the league but definitely QB’s since they are the most important position.

But this is a real stretch. I’ve met a bunch of Philly fan. I don’t think the issue they have with McNabb is a race issue, just an issue of being horrible fans in terms of demand (note to Philly fans, I’m not talking purely about this year, I’m talking about over all).

With JC the issue isn’t that he’s black, absolutely not. It’s more of an issue that we have been a team that has been at the average to below average bar this entire decade. I’m pretty sure fans are sick of it, I know I am. We have a chance to get an elite QB and a lot of people are sick with JCs average play. So what we have is a split between fans and nothing else.

However, there is still a strong racist community in the country and it is a problem. It’s subtle in the media but it is strong on the internet. You can just look at a yahoo article and see the comments made by some of the more ignorant people in the world and tell that it is still alive in this country. It is a problem, but it is not THIS problem.