Redskins sign former Panthers DT Maake Kemoeatu
Two years, $7 Million.
almost 2 years ago
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Plugs a hole
Hopefully he’ll be ready for the season. Now all we have left is FS, RB(2x), QB, RT, LT, ILB, P, KR, PR. Did I leave anything out?
I actually think Wilson will benefit the most from the switch to the 3-4
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I think Lorenzo will surprise at SLB. Afterall what can’t he do. He doesn’t even need a helmet.
I think Lorenzo doesn't have a chance in hell as an OLB
outisde of some gimmick play. He’s a DT/DE not a pass rusher, coverage guy or able to provide run support in space.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I too think he will surprise
I think he’s more athletic than you give him credit for. His versatility was proven when he moved from guard to D-tackle. His dedication was proven when he lost the weight to make the switch to end. And his athleticism and determination are proven when he’s the first guy down on the coverage units.
I'm not doubting his versatility or dedication
but switching between D-tackle and Guard is nowhere near as difficult as switiching to OLB from DT. I don’t know how people can even make that comparison to be honest. He has good speed for a DT but not LB speed. What I really don’t get is why they don’t leave him at DE. He seems like he could thrive as a 3-4DE with his size and speed combo. I think he’s athletic but it’s too big of a jump position wise. I really like the guy which is why I want them to put him in a position to succeed not set him up for failure.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
while I will agree
that it doesn’t seem to make sense, my only point is that nothing with that guy surprises me anymore. Maybe he doesn’t have the 40-time of an OLB, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he had the FOOTBALL SPEED of one. Like I said, watch him on coverage units. He’s getting downfield before DB’s WR’s, LB’s, you name it. Sure, maybe that’s because he’s shedding blockers better than them, but isn’t that what a LB does anyway?
LB's go side to side and in short bursts
I agree that he could surprise me and again am totally not denigrating the guy. I just think it’s not a matter of learning new technique it’s a body type thing. I would say it’s akin to taking a linebacker like Rocky who is athletic and can cover and trying him out at CB. Does Alexander have better speed on the pass rush than Chris Wilson, Orakpo, Carter, Jarmon or possibly Rocky? Would he cover as well as those guys or go side to side in run support? I just want them to put him in a position to succeed and am skeptical if he can do that at OLB. I’d rather see him concentrate on playing both sides of the line and Special teams.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying
you’re wrong. Obviously yours is the logical conclusion. All I’m saying is that the switch doesn’t surprise me because of his past.
He is pretty special
I guess we will see. He is def. a big part of the plans as we gave him an extension.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was agreeing that the new coaching staff had plans for him since he got an extension. If you don’t agree with that then you are just ignorant.
I’m tired of your smart ass comments that hold absolutely no value to them what so ever. Try adding something to the conversation or telling us your viewpoint instead of trying to be clever with your asshole antics. Or is that too hard for you to do?
where's the mud slinging
you guys are so amiable in your discussion that I’m wondering if I came to the right forum. :P
I think it'll take time
But I think he’s exactly the type of player that we should build a foundation upon. The type that says “whatever you need” instead of “what have you done for me.”
RG but that is a pretty good list!
by les boulez bomber on Mar 10, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
We signed Artis Hicks and it looks like he’ll be playing RG for us. He was a backup for the Vikings o-line and actually saw a decent amount of playing time so he’ll more than likely be our starter.
he is a backup though…a good one bec he plays mult positions. still want a starter in there
by les boulez bomber on Mar 10, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Not so fast
I want to see them all compete. We’ll see who wins out during camp. Good that he has versatility so I expect to see him on the roster.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I’m saying I want them all to compete as well, but the Vikings o-line was light years better than ours last year, the fact that he was their utility man seeing playing time and number one backup says alot. I don’t think we have anyone that will compete with him too much.
Yes to all, but
there still has to be a legit competition, even if we suspect he will win. Otherwise the culture of entitlement will never change around here.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Punter
only because our punting has been so bad for so long do we not realize how bad it was last year too.
Cool. Hope he's ready sooner rather than later.
When he recovers, this is a good signing.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Good point
I presume he has a conditional pass on the physical.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
read there is a small guarantee and loaded with incentives. good signing- low risk
by les boulez bomber on Mar 10, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
It's up to the team
If someone doesn’t pass a physical, it gives the team a chance to nix the deal (see: NBA, Hornets-Thunder attempted trade 2009, Tyson Chandler’s toe). I would guess that either the Redskins waived the right to judge based on a physical or that they delayed the physical until sometime before or during training camp. Besides, apparently almost nothing of that 7 mil is guaranteed.
According to the Post
He passed the physical. His achilles is in one piece. He’s just not able to fully work out. He’s still rehabbing.
He passed the physical
“Vierra said Kemoeatu passed a physical, which means that his Achilles’ tendon is structurally fine, but he remains several months from being in football shape.”
From washington post
Serious business.
I've requested a Retrackto-Foot button several times...:)
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
2 questions:
1) Will he play NT or DE? I would guess DE (in a 3-4).
2) How the hell do you pronounce his name??
Skins have him listed as NT
6’5 345…Haynesworth and Jarmon on the ends as Ken predicts….looks pretty good.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 10, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
How can Jarmon play end at 260 pounds
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Jarmon did play some limited DT this year...
Phillip Daniels and him will split time….Phillip in for the running/short yardage plays
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 10, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Well it has been reported that Jarmon is losing as much weight as possible to get down to 260 to play OLB
and if he does get to 260 he can’t play DE. I would have thought he would be a 3-4 DE as well but apparently the coaching staff doesn’t.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I had mentioned that on another post as well but someone said they planned on him playing OLB in the 3-4. I thought he would be a DE in the 3-4 because people had compared him to Daniels. I know he needs to bulk up some to play the position but I can’t see him playing OLB. What do they have planned for him?
I like Jarmon and think he has potential, but wish we had that third rounder this year since he was drafted for the 4-3 and we’re now switching to the 3-4.
I thought the consensus coming out of College for Jarmon was that he could play in either system as a DE
Maybe it’s all a smoke screen but Jarmon was quoted saying he’s trying to drop down to 260 to play LB. I would think it would be smarter for him to just gain a little weight and play 3-4 end but thats just me.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he was drafted as a DT/DE which in turn would make him capable of playing DE in the 3-4, so yeah you’re right. But him moving to OLB makes no sense.
If we get Foote
I suggest we all buy Jarmon a burger with fries – supersized.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Yeah I bet opening day starters on D-line
are Maake at NT and Haynesworth and Daniels on either side. Lot of size but some age and injury concerns obviously.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Maake is definitely
a NT. That’s the reason they signed him. But I don’t think he’ll be ready by the start of the season. I think they got him off of potential.
The Post
says almost all of the money is from workout bonuses and performance bonuses so he only makes money if he heals and plays.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
good to know
I’m not saying he won’t play. I’m just saying that if he’s not even running now, I don’t see him playing in the opener.
I like the idea
of an LT having to help out with Haynesworth and fend off Orakpo at the same time.
Serious business.
In a 3-4 stack or 46 formation, Haynesworth would lineup overtop of the LT.
So Orakpo would get an RB or FB (or TE if motioned).
I’ll take that matchup all day.
His name is pronounced
Mah_ah_K K_moh_A_ah_tu
Samoan – those guys are warriors. Tough as nails.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
You are welcome to try and
not likely to succeed.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Continuing the trend of Madden ratings
For CarverM
Madden 08 – 83 Overall
Madden 09 – 96 Overall
Madden 10 – 97 Overall
CarverM was rated 97!?
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Mar 10, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha
I’m dying over here.
97 is beast in Madden. I’m legit concerned about my video game experience for next year as I know the majority of our players (Landry/Portis) will take serious rating hits. These are sad times.. haha
I played all year with piss-poor Malcom Kelly/Devin Thomas/Fred Davis. Hopefully all the releases/signings make our line better than 30 Overall.
you can say what you want about building a team
through the draft and not big FA pickups. But when it came to Madden those FA pickups were Game Changers. haha
in madden 10
I traded moss for D. Jackson and run him, Kelly, and Thomas and love it. Jackson returns kicks and punts of course.
by RobtheRedskin on Mar 10, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes
So far, including the 2 from last year, he’s returned 15 in his career. 8 in 05 and 5 in 07. His average in ATL was about 9.5, and his average here has been -1. Gotta love it.
That's dumb
You’re supposed to have ARE returning punts. Don’t you know anything?
Fortunately,
I have and quite some time ago. :)
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Well....
Portis had a 93 rating, Randle El a 75…and wait for it…Laron Landry had a 86. Lets not go by these!
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 10, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Cerrato's evaluation and Madden ratings are different?
I would never have guessed.
Serious business.
Well at least we have a "strength"
DL depth is stronger than it has been in a decade
by KellRawLive on Mar 10, 2010 12:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Hopefully the guy is healthy.
His money is not guaranteed, so it won’t hurt if he can’t play. It’s a good signing and pretty much confirms the defense is going predominately 3-4. It would solidify the defensive line, and free up a draft need. He is a big dude, he doesn’t make plays, but he eats blockers which should help Albert and Golston. I like this signing, hopefully the guy can still play. If not, no big loss.
I still think we have to look at NT in the later rounds(4th or lower)
Maybe higher if we pick up extra picks or something. There are more teams playing 3-4 now than there are NT’s so we have to get that guy in the draft IMHO.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Cam Thomas in the 4th, or Linval Joseph in the 7th.
It is a very weak class for nose tackles. Other than Williams and Cody, these are the only 2 guys I have heard or read anything positive about. Colleges don’t run it, and don’t look for big players for 4-3. The 320lb+ defensive linemen is all but obsolete in the college game.
Via Redskins.com
Picture the 345-pound Kemoeatu on the nose with Albert Haynesworth (a mere 6-6, 350) parked beside him. Calls to mind that old Baltimore Ravens front that featured Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa (and Kemoeatu, who signed with the Ravens as an undrafted free agent). He’s a two-gap NT, a guy who eats blockers. Don’t expect him to chase QBs. He has four career sacks.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
like it
Hope he heals and can play this year.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Looks good
As his agent points out. “Why would he sign such an incentive laden contract if he didn’t think he would out there starting in week 1?”
Also why would he sign unless the coaches assured him.....
that the team would go to a base 3-4 defense? He can’t make incentives if they stay 4-3 or go with a split situational defense. He turned down 3 other visits to sign and stay here. He signed because they must have assured him he would be a 2 down nose.
well he has been in a 4-3 for the last couple years
So I doubt he would have a problem playing in a 4-3. I don’t think system will affect his incentives in any way he doesn’t get sacks in either scheme and double teams aren’t a stat they can put incentives on. I think WE signed him cuz he can be a nose tackle though
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Most incentives are based on playing time for linemen.
They count up all the defensive plays in a game, then see what percentage of the time said player was in. They have escalating levels such as 25, 50, 67, 75%, etc, etc. His 7M would probably be based on playing time and not statistics.
I personally wouldn’t want the guy in a 4-3 as he has no lateral movement to speak of, won’t penetrate, and rarely tackles.
“He eats blockers, that’s what he does, that’s all he does!”
Sorry for the Terminator reference, it just was apropos.
well he was a top 4-3 DT pre Achilles injury.
I don’t think his snaps will change because of the system. He was great in a 4-3 like Pat Williams for the Vikings.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
When he gets healthy
I think hell be a top 3-4 nose tackle….with one heck of a defensive line surrounding him….fingers crossed
Yea, maybe he will play some 4-3 here.
I just figured he comes here as a nose only. Obviously if he is anything like Pat Williams when healthy, then he could be both. I know he is freakin huge, and should be a great Nose when he plays. There is a lot of doubt about him coming back though; weight, conditioning, motivation, and of course a very serious injury with complications.
We’ll have to wait and see, and hope!
Oh he will be the nose here
I just thought you were under the impression he came from a 3-4 system and had no 4-3 experience.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
I know he was with Baltimore, and didn't play last year.
Don’t really remember seeing him play for Carolina to be honest.
He is one of those guys that doesn’t get much pub, and he doesn’t make plays per se. So he kinda disappears into a game unless you are specifically watching him.
I like that he can play both
I envision us flowing seamlessly from one front to another during drives to really throw offenses out of whack.
I agree, 'seemlessly transitioning between defenses...
during drives’ sounds like a plan.
by johnnydee83 on Mar 11, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
Achilles tendon rupture was
Jon Jansen’s turning point injury and reduced his lateral movement. Kemoeatu apparently was never known that much for lateral movement. Dave Butz was a hard guy to move out of his slot and a run stopper. Maybe Kemoeatu can do the same thing.
I ruptured an Achilles when I was 69 and there are a lot of connections that go up the calf. My incision was about 7". There is usually a lot of scar tissue and tendon thickening. It can effect the balance.
by Jefferson1935 on Mar 11, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Ouch, that sounds painful and debilitating.
Sorry to hear about that Jefferson. How is it now?
Hopefully Komo is able to recover this year and play.
by johnnydee83 on Mar 11, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
It is a type of injury that is not likely to be a 100% recovery.
I still rode a bicycle 7 to 9 miles three or four times a week about 6 months later. Kemoeatu’s agent said he was doing a lot of thread mill. The drive off of his foot has to be the main concern. How did his injury occur in the first place? It would seem like he might need to do the same kind of physical stress. Tendons are some of the longest living tissues.
by Jefferson1935 on Mar 11, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
He was just jogging on the field in camp and snap.
Didn’t even happen during drills or a play.
Glad you're doing good. If you can ride a bike 7-9 miles...
after that surgery, that’s pretty darn impressive.
I don’t think he has to worry about driving off his foot, he just has to hold his ground.
plus it's amazing how much better their rehab and medical care is.
In college I tore my ACL and a friend who was an O-lineman at Cornell blew his a month later. I have a 4 inch scar he had 2 tiny ones from them using a scope and he had intense rehab 5 days a week to my 30 minutes 3 times a week that my insurance was paying for. He was playing in 6 months and I was still having trouble bending my knees and building my quads up cuz I had regular insurance and he got top of the line spare no cost treatment. My doctor is the team doctor for the mens and womens national soccer teams too so he’s no slouch he just can’t authorize the most cutting edge surgery or ridiculous amounts of rehab like an athlete gets.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 12, 2010 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know
But I love the fact that we can have Haynesworth(350 lbs.) and Kemoeatu(345 lbs.) on a line together. That right there is 695 lbs of linemen in just two people. They can’t double team two people and still block successfully. I really hope this guy is healthy and can play for us.
Don't forget Phillips
He can squat 700LBS.
solid pickup
contract is filled with incentives so its a low risk high reward type of deal that will give us two run stopping horses up front….now if we would just pull the trigger on the gaither trade…pick up j.vargas and draft like we have some damn sense we’ll be all good….
We could probably actually go that route
1 first rounder, 1 4-5th rounder and a UDFA/walk-on. With a rookie cap we would still spend less than a #4 pick this year.
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