How Bout some O.J. (Atogwe)
by JeanBaptiste on Mar 10, 2010 11:44 AM EST
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PrintWe all know that the Redskins have a need at free safety. O.J. Atogwe could be a way to address that need.
1) He's extremely physical and is an excellent playmaker.
2) He plays both the run and the pass well.
3) Jim Haslett already knows what he can do, having coached him before.
4) He could allow for Laron to move back to his natural position.
Atogwe has been a pro bowl safety who just hasn't gotten the hype or recognition he deserves. With that being said he probably won't come cheap. He is going to make over six million this year if he signs his offer sheet. He is a restricted free agent but Saint Louis offered him the right of first refusal tender. This means there isn't a draft pick associated with his tender. It couldn't hurt to at least explore this option. I'm wondering how does everyone at Hogs Haven feel about O.J.
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it sounds too much like right…in the viinerato years, we would never see such a great football move. now, with allahan in town, this sounds like the best option. more so then rolle ( eventhough he got signed).
by back_to_the_future on Mar 10, 2010 8:52 AM EST reply actions
Depends on what we might do in the draft
although I could see getting OJ and a low FS draft pick for backup and development.
Funny, usually it is the overhyped players that reach the Pro Bowl. Like to see who was supporting his entry.
Hope he isn’t just talking to us just to boost his current paycheck a la Clifton.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I couldn't agree more
I like O.J., and am amazed that the Rams only put the right of first refusal tag on him. He would be a good compliment to Landry, who could move back to SS and be coached back on-line with his talent by Haslett. While, I wouldn’t give him Rolle money, I could see a decent contract with a poison pill that guarantees the entire deal in the event that 5 or more of his games are played in the state of Missouri getting it done. Maybe 5 years, $35M, $12M guaranteed?
I would absolutely love this signing.
I’m a big Atogwe fan. Love his play, love his ethic, love his intelligence. He and Landry would make a great secondary duo.
I also have a soft spot for him as a fellow Canadian.
Yea, he definately is looking for 7M/yr for 5-6 years.
Tough call for the team as they don’t seem inclined to spend money. He is looking for a Rolle type contract. St Louis wants to keep him, but their financial status is questionable. He definately would be an upgrade, but ShanAllen appear to want to rebuild through the draft. He is in his prime, and will have multiple offers and nothing will be settled until late April. I am all for it, but if they didn’t go for Dansby or Rolle, they prob won’t go for Oshio.
TOO MUCH MONEY
ATOGWE IS A BEAST BUT HES GONNA COMMAND MONEY THAT WE NEED TO SPEND ON LINEMAN AND LINEBACKER DEPTH. I STILL THINK A HEALTHY HORTON AT FREE AND LANDRY AT STRONG IS A VERY GOOD SAFETY COMBO…
WELL..
WITH THAT BEING SAID IM ALL FOR ATOGWE AS LONG AS WE DONT GIVE HIM ARCHULETA MONEY!!!!!………BUT SHIT….HE MIGHT BE WORTH IT….
"He's not yelling that's just how he talks"
Like Samuel L. Jackson
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
lmao
thanx for stickin up for me and my Samuel L. imitation…..the caps are off now so evryone can breathe easy…
Appreciated. Thanks man
“Haven’t you ever seen my movies!!!????”
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I am all for this
The Redskins have to get to the salary cap minimum anyway and Atogwe is a young 28.
I emailed Horton about his feelings on moving to FS but didn’t hear back. I don’t think it’s something we can count on being a smooth transition.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
I’d go crazy if I was a football player and there was this much speculation about my career. He should be avoiding the media and concentrating on his offseason and workouts.
When you have this much turnover with coaching and front office
All players have speculation on their career
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 10, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
That's what I mean.
Guaranteed their agents, families, coaches, friends are all telling them to ignore the media as much as possible until things are more definitive.
ah, yea....totally agree.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 10, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
The FO has been in pick and choose mode
trying to conserve money, but this is a definite pick and choose and spend some bucks move IMO. This would really stabilize our D for quite some time and be a huge upgrade. Imagine the rest of our D-backs playing 10Xs better to their strengths and with aggressive schemes.
NFC East will rock next year.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
KevinE
in the uncapped year, there is no salary cap minimum either, thats why contrary to what a lot of people thought, an uncapped year is actually leading to lower payroll at a number of teams as they shed payroll
Pommylee
Also helps that half the league is RFA
You can lowball tender tons of guys that would be up for the big bucks.
This could be a good move
providing he pans out and that seems probable. Anyone who looks good on the Rams defense must be pretty good. It would free us up from using a draft pick on a FS which would be great.
While I like the idea of going after him, the only way this works is if the Skins over pay… otherwise the Rams just match the offer.
And as we’ve seen so far, they don’t seem willing to do that.
I don't think you can make assumptions based on this past week.
They could be willing to pay for players who fit their scheme and philosophies. Peppers/Rolle/Dansby (who all got top position money) aren’t necessarily what we’re looking for. We actually have a plan now…
not neccesarily
the only way this works is if the Skins over pay
The Rams have a weird Ownership situation at the moment, and in an uncapped year, with no Minimum Salary, they could look to shed Payroll to make the books look better for potential buyers.
Pommylee
Its good to see Madden scouting back on HogsHaven
there has been very little in the past month or so. While certainly not the driving force of our discussion, it always helps to know what Madden thinks of the players we’re considering.
Yea, and Laron Landry had a 86 rating.
"I am excited about starting 2009. We are looking forward to an outstanding year. We're on our way. We have a lot of healthy players this year." - Vinny Cerrato
by Kevin Ewoldt on Mar 10, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
like the signing but
I dont like moving Laron to SS and sitting Horton. Thats bull****, Horton has proved he should be starting and is clearly our best SS. He’s earned his spot and you want him to give up his position to make feasible for a guy that has been unproductive. Thats non-sense!! If anything…bring in Otogwe and let him and Landry battle it out in camp
by mr.snyderhireme on Mar 10, 2010 12:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Horton wasn't exactly setting the world on fire before he got hurt last year
I’d favor bringing in Otogwe and letting an open competition determine the two starters.
horton won a game for us last year
how many did laron?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
So he should be guaranteed a starting spot then?
Thought we were past this. Did I even say anything about Landry? Remove your grip from Horton’s sack and try to look at this from the perspective of a brand new coaching staff.
everybody on this blog
has a player that they would go ape shit over. You just happened to shit on mine.
So how about you go eat a fat baby dick, and try to remember that was has been spouted all over this site lately is that those that work hard should be rewarded.
Does that mean he gets an automatic spot? No. But it’s downright insulting that it’s such a forgone conclusion that just because Landry can’t get his shit together at FS, somebody that’s been working hard gets bumped out of the spot that LL hasn’t played in two years.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I can agree on that one
I support putting the best player on the field.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Hell
Horton hasn’t played it in the better part of a year.. He was on IR..
I like Horton and I’m not questioning his work ethic, but Landry did play the whole season..
Moral of the story OJ could be an upgrade, is that a bad thing??
Horton won the game?
Was that when he barely hauled down Avery on 3rd and long at the end? It was even close to pass interference.
was talking about the forced fumble
that he got when SJax was walking up and down the field on our sorry ass D.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
You do?
I didn’t think there were any of us left that did.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
when, exactly?
I used to like him too. But that was before he was asked to live up to the expectations of a #6 overall draft pick. Now that he is counted on to actually make plays, he’s awful. In fact, you can’t even count on him to at least not make bad plays.
Now, maybe all that can be corrected through coaching. But what you can’t coach is heart. And Landry has shown me that he’s severely lacking in that area. He’s like the school bully. Yeah, he’ll deliver the big hit – but usually to a guy who’s either defenseless, out of bounds, or not even looking. But when a guy knows the hit is coming, Landry ducks his head and probably winces from what’s gonna come. And the biggest indictment on him was that Atlanta game. He starts the whole melee with the dirty hit on Matt Ryan. Hall goes over to stick up for him. Then Landry melts away while D Hall is getting Raggedy-ann’d, until Big Al comes over to wreck shop. The point is, the whole thing started with, and because of, Landry. He puts out this “I’m a bad ass” attitude, but when the shit hits the fan, he’s nowhere to be found. We’ve got a name for that where I come from.
Honestly a switch back to SS might be the only thing that saves his career
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
This could just be a ridiculous point, and tell me why if it is
but is there any reason, if we go to the 3-4 that we cant move LaRon to a MLB spot, thus freeing Horton to play SS, the FA signing or Draft Pick to play FS and puts LaRon in a spot where he can unload with big hits, and know there is someone behind him (the Safety) to cover his occasional mistakes,
The reason I thought of this, is I have always viewed (simplistically speaking, I know there are differences) SS as an extra LB and FS as an extra Corner, so would it really be that hard to move Landry to MLB in the 3-4 especially as we are short of LB’s at the moment???
Pommylee
I would prefer we picked up Foote
Landry may be there at SS for depth until he can prove he can tackle or use him as trade bait to the Ravens or somewhere else.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Landry is a bit
light in the pencil to play MLB, which typically are quite large in a 3-4 because they are asked to take on guards frequently.
Twice in one game (Broncos, we still beat them), at least three other times that I can’t remember off-hand all of which resulted in touchdowns burying our chances.
When you’re the last line of defense you gotta keep it in front of you. When you’re the last line of defense you gotta bring the guy down instead of trying to make a big hit.
If we had the
salary cap to think about, I’d say hell no. We already have a logjam at safety, even if we’re stocked with an underachieving prima dona and to overachievers who have probably hit their ceiling. But, since we don’t have to think about the cap, I say sign him to a front loaded deal, then see if you can trade Horton or Doughty for a draft pick
We are really deep at SS
so we should see if someone will take one in a trade or for a pick as you said. I think a deal could be made with the Ravens for Gaither. They need secondary help and obviously know how to get the most out of what they have.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I'm all for that
maybe Dawan can convince Ozzie to bring lil brother up 95. What a heartwarming story that would be. It would bring tear of joy to my eyes. You probably think I’m talking about having the brothers play together. Nope, I’m envisioning the headline “Ravens replace Ed Reed with Laron Landry” – like I said – BEAUTIFUL!!
you've been sniffing your little one's markers, haven't you CJ?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I can see the Ravens liking Doughty
He’s their kinda player.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 11, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
I'd send him and a 5th
today for Gaither
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
only problem is I doubt Doughty would earn higher than a 6th on the trade market
so I’m sure they’d want more.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 11, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Addicted to FA
This is a repost of something I wrote over at the Antrel Rolle thread:
Trying to cop the best free agents on the market every year shows a striking lack of awareness about what it takes to build a team that has a chance to succeed over time.
http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/2/26/772915/ted-leonsis-shares-his-ten
I like Rolle, I like Dansby (I even like Atogwe). They are great players. But the Redskins need to rebuild the culture of the organization as much as they need to rebuild personnel. Draft young guys. Give them a shot to succeed. If they perform, reward them with big deals to demonstrate your loyalty to Redskins football. Add core veterans when you have a competitive young core that who have played for the Redskins and have true loyalty to the Redskins brand.
Stop writing checks to the hottest new guy on the market, stop coveting the stars of other teams, and only then will people stop treating the Redskins like a team to go to when you want a payday.
Here Here
We ate shit in the Archuleta fiasco. We let Ryan Clark walk when all he did was anything you asked of him. Let’s not make the same mistake and alienate the last of the character Redskins worth keeping, a la Horton.
Be wary of why a “great team” like the Rams would put such a low tender on a pretty good player. I know they have an excess of skilled players but….
What does OJ have to do with Horton?
They play different positions.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
he was speaking in general
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Don’t bring in players that have done well on other teams with high contracts when they’ve done nothing for us, while letting the people that have been here since the beginning that have worked hard and have had success fall by the wayside.
He just used Horton as an example.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Bringing in OJ wouldn't cause Horton to fall by the wayside
They play different positions so his point makes no sense.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
RP
I must be looking at this incorrectly, I thought you were speaking in general terms but I must be mistaken.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
maybe I misread it Rekka but I thought he was implying signing OJ would push Horton out the door.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 10, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
yea
that doesn’t make much sense
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
It could
that would give us 6 safeties on the roster. One of them could be released or traded.
by JeanBaptiste on Mar 10, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
He's the odd man out
He gets no playing time with the OJ signing. He has the most trade value. He has the most value period. His chances of being traded or just waiting out his contract to get the F out of dogde increase a million fold. I think the consensus on this post is that most people want to see Horton on the field healthy. He doesn’t get that with this signing.
Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, and yep.
Spot on.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
If he is the odd man out then it is because he is the worst safety on the roster
So your saying don’t upgrade a position of need because it might make the worst player at another position cut? That doesn’t make any sense. I want the best players on the field. If Horton can’t beat out Doughty and Landry well then thats on him. If trotting Landry out at FS is your answer to keep Horton on the field that is pretty ridiculous.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 11, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
To clarify
OJ didn’t cause there to be 3 SS’s on the roster. That is a problem irregardless of him. By your logic Horton is our worst safety. So signing OJ wouldn’t cause there to be 3 SS’s on the roster and Horton to be the worst(not sure if I believe that but it’s what you said) that has already occured.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 11, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying that he's the worst
I’m saying that we can get the most for him. With Landry and OJ starting having Horton and Reed and Moore as bench fodder is a waste. We can’t get a 7th for Reed or Moore but I think we could get a 5th for Horton.
Again Just because you don't like seeing Horton on the bench doesn't mean the whole defense should suffer
Landry is not a FS. Period. We can force him to play FS again at the whole teams detriment or we could put the best players on the field.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 11, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not advocating a Horton trade
I think Horton is class. Him and Reed have passed the starting job back and forth and just vowed to earn it back while congratulating the other. Awesome.
Picking up OJ adds an unknown and disrupts a good chemistry. Something is fishy with a right of first refusal tag on a good player on a bad team.
not really.... He is worth a fairly large contract, they have ownership issues, and they keep on shelling out mega contracts to top 5 picks every year
How does OJ disrupt Chemisty? I’m not saying we have to sign him but to refuse to sign a FS becuase it might make some guy move to the bench is really silly. If Horton is a starter he would beat out Landry. Your also assuming Landry won’t be moved to ss regardless this season. I like Reed and Horton very much but want to put a good team on the field.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 11, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I think if there is a FS available that’s not questionable I would jump. Hell I’d advocate a Landry trade at that point. I just want to know what deal is with the low low offer by a team that needs every good player it has.
So I’m saying NO OJ. Not NO FS.
Im listing OJ as a suggestion
However, if not OJ then who
by JeanBaptiste on Mar 11, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan Clark
I’d doubt he’d come back after the way we booted him.
Darren Sharper – for a one year stop gap.
No one – Cause we’re not playing to win it all and this lets us see what our guys can do. Draft next year or FA next year will be loaded with all the RFAs from this year.
Cool. I just feel we have 3 decent SS's and need a FS.
Not saying we should sign OJ but I think you are making too much of the tender. It basically says they aren’t willing to pay his market value which is understandable because they hand out AH money for a first rounder every single year and have ownership questions. When their team sucks and they are about to give out one the largest contracts in history to the overall #1 pick they might not wanna pay 6M for a free safety even if he deserves that.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 11, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
You're probably right
I forgot that he wore a Franchise Tag last year and this allows the Rams to say he’s available without scaring off any suitors. Also means if we want to steal him without an actual trade we have to overpay. I don’t think it’s worth the risk he’s declined a little the last 2 years. Could be nothing could be something.
actually
it probably would. Maybe not Horton necessarily, but someone. If Landry made the move back to SS, then one of the other SS’s would probably have to go. I doubt they’d keep Horton over Speedbump. Unless they can get something useful for Speedbump. I’m all for the trade to Baltimore.
We will probably have to get rid of one of the SS's regardless
I doubt they have any real value in a trade besides a really late rounder(Kerry Rhodes went for a 4th). Trotting out Landry at FS again just to prevent one of our marginal SS’s from having to go would just make our defense crappier for no good reason. Landry should be moving to SS regardless. I just can’t see any logic in making our whole defense shittier becuase someone thinks that might send our 3rd best SS out the door. If he had said “I think OJ sucks” or “FS isn’t a position where a team should spend money” there is a a certain argument for either of those statements. But to say we shouldn’t upgrade our defense because a certain guy might then prove to be the third best and be gone is really silly. If Horton has value he will beat out one of the other 2 SS’s if not then he doesn’t deserve to make the team as he would be the thrid worst. Besides I don’t see a problem with having 5 safeties on the roster.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 11, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
All good what you said
but occasionally need and good character and good price = Value and trump limited draft picks.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
LOOK
I am actulaly all for this new approach brought by Bruce Allen, which is paying free agents salaries they actualy deserve. thats why your seeing guys visit and not sign, they look at years past and think WSH = $$$, but now that we have a very good gm in terms of cap and spending I think we are seeing a turnaround. as far as signing Otogwe i think the guy is a beast dont get me wrong i just think that we have more urgent needs in Oline, RB, and Corner. I think going out and overpaying for Juice#2 (O.J) would defeat the whole proccess of trying to change the culture of the Washington Redskins. now let us not forget how the last Free Agent Saftey signing from the Rams worked out (Abum Mymomcouldplaybetta)
HTTR!!!! Dont get any Better.....ST21 fo life
What is your guys' opinion of Landry?
From what I’ve seen he’s god-awful, but I didn’t catch more than 4 skins games this year. Honestly as much as we are rivals I wish Sean Taylor was still kickin it out there on the field. In my opinion he was on his way to the Hall of Fame and will always be remembered by me as one of the best players of his era.
Back to my point, am I being to hard on Landry in calling him god-awful? And if so could a change in position potentially salvage his career?
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Mar 10, 2010 11:16 PM EST reply actions
I wouldn't say you are being hard on him
He gave up some big plays last season and has been a liability in coverage. He does have a ton of ability though and if he would stop making dumb mistakes, he would probably be considered a top player in the league.
I think everyone here is a little iffy on Landry but you gotta understand that our defense altogether did not play very well in coverage. Personally I think Blatche’s scheme and play calling was a big part in this so hopefully there will be a big improvement with Haslett coming in.
If worse comes to worse, Landry will make a few big mistakes and get benched. We have capable players behind him who will step up. What we really need is someone who can play FS because we have so many decent SS and very little talent at FS.
by Nobetterthenbob on Mar 11, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Nicely summed
and on target (unlike some of Landry’s plays last year).
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
he out of position dude
he is not a FS but given a license to attack the line of scrimmage, rather than planted in the Blatche zone, 25 yards from the Line of scrimmage and retreating, I think he will be OK
Pommylee
that's what I was wondering
sounds like its his coverage skills that suck, and he was asked to do it way too much.
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Mar 11, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
It's that his coverage skills are aggressive.
He needs pressure on the QB to be able to jump routes. When Blache decided to play them all far back with a 4 man rush, Landry would jump on a deep middle route when the QB has 12 seconds in the pocket.
I think he covers fine in the sense he can run with a TE
It’s just he has no instincts as a center fielder type of player. He jumps the wrong routes or take horrible angles in pursuit. He can match up one on one fairly well for a SS.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 12, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
This claim can't really be made at this point.
He’s yet to show this on any kind of consistent basis.
And he blitzes better than any safety in the league.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
He has 3 sacks in 3 seasons.
He simply hasn’t proven that he’s the best.
You might think he has the potential or ability to do so, but he has not proven it.
Not by a long shot.
Troy Polamalu is better. Mike Brown is a better blitzer. Lots of guys are.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I guess Polamalu's 0 sacks over that same timeframe proves he's better?
Polamalu, without question, is the best SS in the league. Great play-reads, great hustle, great coverage, great tackling. But he doesn’t have the speed and he doesn’t explode through a quarterback like LaRon does. Same thing with Brown, he doesn’t have the speed, quickness, or power that Landry has.
One thing I love to see with a blitzing safety is a strong finish. Something that knocks the QB out of his zone for a drive. Something like 3 of the 4 highlights in this video (from LSU) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvKaO78Ov2I
You’ll notice that those are all plays from the SS position, where he’s closer to the line of scrimmage. We haven’t seen a lot of him there since ST21’s passing, and we haven’t seen a lot of pressure defense under Greg Blache.
Or this play from LaRon’s first game in the NFL (under Greg Williams’ pressure defense – where LaRon is much more suited). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEHtHy2rIYE&feature=related
Also, Mike Brown has the same number of sacks over the same timeframe. So statistically (if that’s how you want to gauge it), he’s not better either.
In 1/3rd less games
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
How many times has Laron hit the QB in his career? 5? 10?
Laron simply doesn’t blitz that much, which precludes him from being the best in the NFL. He hasn’t been given the opportunity to show it one way or the other.
“exploding through the QB” is an odd metric.
I care how well a guy pursues, sheds blocks, and makes tackles. Laron has not proven that he’s the best at this.
I watch every Skins game and a handful of Steelers games and it’s quite obvious to me that Polamalu is more of a force in the backfield.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I didn’t say he was the best. I said he did it better than anyone.
A sack isn’t the only gauge of a successful SSBlitz. If a QB gets up dizzy, he isn’t in the same mindset to be as decisive.
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.
I didn’t say he was the best. I said he did it better than anyone.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Retyping the same words doesn't help clarify.
The difference in your statements is mostly semantic, not substantive.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Sorting Pro Football Focus for safeties
By clicking on the header for specific categories such as quarterback (QB) sacks, quarterback hits, or quarterback pressures all of the safeties can be ranked. When sorting by QB pressures Roman Harper had 10 and also ranked highest in QB hits and QB sacks.
http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=S&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1
He also tied for 5th in run defense and yet he is not that highly ranked for overall safety performance. PFF is a powerful tool for such analysis and can be applied to the series of post by SSBlitz, BayAreaBullet, and smutsboy1. (You can’t do any of this with Madden.)
by Jefferson1935 on Mar 12, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Man, that's great
I was trying to find those stats. Guess my google skills aren’t up.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Man, they rated Laron 84th.
Alson, forgot to mention earlier, Adrian Wilson is a better blitzer, better everything.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I agree on that.
Adrian Wilson is the best blitzer in the NFL.
Give LaRon as many chances, and keep him at SS, and we’ll see how they compare.
According to that site, Laron has hit the QB 5 times in his career
2007: 3
2008: 1
2009: 1
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
NFL career.
08 and 09 were played at FS in a passive Greg Blache defense.
You’re proving a different argument. What I’m saying is that when he gets the opportunity to blitz, he does it better. Fast and quick, big and strong, hits like a freight train.
So, back to my original point.
It’s all potential.
He’s proven almost nothing in the NFL.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
They rated Reed Doughty the 7th best safety in the league.
ProFootballFocus does not mean anything.
Comparatively, LaRon has one of the highest speed/pursuit/hit power ratings in Madden. Whoopdie Doo.
Indexed formulas like that are obviously flawed.
And should only be used as a rough guide
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Thats because Doughty doesnt has solid coverage skills and is a sure tackler
I almost never see him miss a tackle
by JeanBaptiste on Mar 12, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
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